To Christians; doesn't it seem strange that...

Okay, to all Christians on here, doesn’t it seem even a tiny bit strange that;

* God is invisible and the only way to come into contact with him is after death when you can’t go back and tell everyone about it.

* God did miracles thousands of years ago, but never now. Especially not now when we have cameras and shit that could record him doing it and advanced science and technology that’d tell us if it were a hoax.

* God only sends his revelations to one guy in a remote area when nobody else is around to witness it.

* God wants us to believe in him through faith without evidence, even though this would be a really stupid thing to do and, being really powerful and smart, he should easily in some way be able to prove his existance to everyone beyond a shadow of doubt, especially if he wanted to save us from going to Hell.

* The worst things EVER possible will happen if you don’t obey God, but if you do obey him, you’ll get pretty much everything you want. Surely God wouldn’t need to use threats and bribery to get us to believe in him?

* There’s so much evil in the world. Yeah, you can talk about the fall of man and all that crap, but if God really was smart and powerful and willing he could have in some way stopped us from going through all this suffering to begin with. Or simply not invent sin/suffering.

* Prayer never supposedly does something that couldn’t have happened by coincidence.

* God is the most powerful, intelligent and loving being in the universe but he gets offended by blasphemy. What the fuck? Does he have low self esteem or something? Why isn’t he above that shit? I know humans happier with themselves and less sensetive to critisizm than God.

* Science is against the Bible’s account of creation in Genesis, from radioactive dating in geology to evolution in biology, the fossil record in palaeontology and the time it would’ve taken the light of the stars to reach us from space in astronomy. Sure, science has been wrong sometimes in the past, but the scientific method is very good at sorting fact from fiction. Considering all the achievements it’s made like curing diseases, splitting the atom, space travel etc for it to be wrong about all of this would require an incredible amount of imcompetence.

* In Genesis, God makes light before the sun and stars, plant life before the sun (they would need photosynthesis to live), domestic animals before humans and, apparently, space is simply an expanse between the oceans on Earth and another ocean in the sky.

This isn’t even complex science, jut common sense. Wouldn’t it be amazing if all of these observances which everyone can verify that point to the conclusion that there is no God just happened to be coincidences?

gimme 30 minutes

So what you are saying is that God himself is a coincidence?

Zero Gravity

Darth Nihilus wrote: So what you are saying is that God himself is a coincidence?

I’m saying it would be an amazing coincidence if God existed.

Sean of the Living wrote:

Darth Nihilus wrote: So what you are saying is that God himself is a coincidence?

I’m saying it would be an amazing coincidence if God existed.

Tis up the the belief of the person. Although it does seem kinda strange with the points that you have made, but wtf.

Zero Gravity

Darth Nihilus wrote:

Sean of the Living wrote:

Darth Nihilus wrote: So what you are saying is that God himself is a coincidence?

I’m saying it would be an amazing coincidence if God existed.

Tis up the the belief of the person. Although it does seem kinda strange with the points that you have made, but wtf.

Well, I was just trying to use a different approach relying more on common sense than science a lot of people don’t understand.

Sean of the Living wrote:

Darth Nihilus wrote:

Sean of the Living wrote:

Darth Nihilus wrote: So what you are saying is that God himself is a coincidence?

I’m saying it would be an amazing coincidence if God existed.

Tis up the the belief of the person. Although it does seem kinda strange with the points that you have made, but wtf.

Well, I was just trying to use a different approach relying more on common sense than science a lot of people don’t understand.

All I can say is, to each his own. Although I can probably expect someone to think that you’re doing this just to pick at them. But, such is life.

Zero Gravity

...some1 COULD rebut that, prob..
anyway..

it’s a nice way of looking at it..
but in reality, a LOT of stuff can be nitpicked...

Darth Nihilus wrote:

Sean of the Living wrote:

Darth Nihilus wrote:

Sean of the Living wrote:

Darth Nihilus wrote: So what you are saying is that God himself is a coincidence?

I’m saying it would be an amazing coincidence if God existed.

Tis up the the belief of the person. Although it does seem kinda strange with the points that you have made, but wtf.

Well, I was just trying to use a different approach relying more on common sense than science a lot of people don’t understand.

All I can say is, to each his own. Although I can probably expect someone to think that you’re doing this just to pick at them. But, such is life.

They can believe what they want, but that still doesn’t make what they believe any more likely to be true. Yeah, I’m obviously trying to underline my viewpoints just like anybody else, but they DO make sense and you can’t just ignore it all and say you’re being completely rational.

I read the first one...............

Now I’m wondering why your making this statement

Sean of the Living wrote:

Darth Nihilus wrote:

Sean of the Living wrote:

Darth Nihilus wrote:

Sean of the Living wrote:

Darth Nihilus wrote: So what you are saying is that God himself is a coincidence?

I’m saying it would be an amazing coincidence if God existed.

Tis up the the belief of the person. Although it does seem kinda strange with the points that you have made, but wtf.

Well, I was just trying to use a different approach relying more on common sense than science a lot of people don’t understand.

All I can say is, to each his own. Although I can probably expect someone to think that you’re doing this just to pick at them. But, such is life.

They can believe what they want, but that still doesn’t make what they believe any more likely to be true. Yeah, I’m obviously trying to underline my viewpoints just like anybody else, but they DO make sense and you can’t just ignore it all and say you’re being completely rational.

Point taken, but still, just imagine if we had more people like Watchman.

Zero Gravity

bump I want a sincere response from a Christian

Sean of the Living wrote: bump I want a sincere response from a Christian

Well fine if you dont want my opinion I guess I will take it elsewhere. =(

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Sean of the Living wrote: bump I want a sincere response from a Christian

Well fine if you dont want my opinion I guess I will take it elsewhere. =(

Hey I didn’t say I didn’t want other responses.

Sean of the Living wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Sean of the Living wrote: bump I want a sincere response from a Christian

Well fine if you dont want my opinion I guess I will take it elsewhere. =(

Hey I didn’t say I didn’t want other responses.

You dont need to make excuses, you have already made your intentions perfectly clear...

*runs of wailing*

can’t go back and tell everyone about it.

You make contact with him through prayer (not that it really matters to you, since you don’t believe in it).

* God did miracles thousands of years ago, but never now. Especially not now when we have cameras and shit that could record him doing it and advanced science and technology that’d tell us if it were a hoax.

He does perform miracles now. However, a lot of atheists like to believe that if it can be scientifically proven then it debunks the idea that God had anything to do with it.

* God only sends his revelations to one guy in a remote area when nobody else is around to witness it.

*see Pentecost* and many churches today have similar occurrences, but I’m sure you can come up with a “logical” explaination.

* God wants us to believe in him through faith without evidence, even though this would be a really stupid thing to do and, being really powerful and smart, he should easily in some way be able to prove his existance to everyone beyond a shadow of doubt, especially if he wanted to save us from going to Hell.

I can guarantee that if Jesus came down from heaven in front of a large crowd of people and performed miracles, gave revelations and introduced them to some angels. A few people would STILL doubt. So what would be the point? Not to mention those who boast that they are “free thinkers” would not even see fit to even revere him.

* The worst things EVER possible will happen if you don’t obey God, but if you do obey him, you’ll get pretty much everything you want. Surely God wouldn’t need to use threats and bribery to get us to believe in him?

Its not bribery its the truth. Those who keeps his commandments will receive good favor and those who don’t are at the mercy of the “world”

* There’s so much evil in the world. Yeah, you can talk about the fall of man and all that crap, but if God really was smart and powerful and willing he could have in some way stopped us from going through all this suffering to begin with. Or simply not invent sin/suffering.

Sin is a term given to those who don’t walk in the will of God. God didn’t invent sin (at least not directly) but gave us the choice to live in whatever manner we want to live. Sin is our choice to get rid of sin you have to get rid of free will. Which is what gives you the capacity to even doubt the very existence of God.

* Prayer never supposedly does something that couldn’t have happened by coincidence.

That’s your opinion, (albeit its based on statistics etc) Christians shouldn’t lean on to the understandings of man. God says prayer works in his word and that should be enough.

* God is the most powerful, intelligent and loving being in the universe but he gets offended by blasphemy. What the fuck? Does he have low self esteem or something? Why isn’t he above that shit? I know humans happier with themselves and less sensetive to critisizm than God.

God is the only one (as far as Christians believe) to be worthy of any praise. Especially in comparison to the false graven images, let alone his creations.

* Science is against the Bible’s account of creation in Genesis, from radioactive dating in geology to evolution in biology, the fossil record in palaeontology and the time it would’ve taken the light of the stars to reach us from space in astronomy. Sure, science has been wrong sometimes in the past, but the scientific method is very good at sorting fact from fiction. Considering all the achievements it’s made like curing diseases, splitting the atom, space travel etc for it to be wrong about all of this would require an incredible amount of imcompetence.
* In Genesis, God makes light before the sun and stars, plant life before the sun (they would need photosynthesis to live), domestic animals before humans and, apparently, space is simply an expanse between the oceans on Earth and another ocean in the sky.
This isn’t even complex science, jut common sense. Wouldn’t it be amazing if all of these observances which everyone can verify that point to the conclusion that there is no God just happened to be coincidences?

God’s omnipotence>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Man’s “understanding” of science. The “rock that God can’t lift question only proves that man can’t understand the concept of God’s power.

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I can give you answers systematically to your questions if you are willing to hear them sean

Will