You cannot know gods plan.

riptorn311 wrote: I’m saying that all the problems mankind caused was a result of god...God let mankind get into the situation he was in by planting the tree of knowledge...It was god that tempted man in the garden, not the serpent...The tree was a result of god. the snake was a result of god...curiosity was a result of god...and mans fall from grace is a result of god...

So, you’re saying that God should force us to love and obey him?

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

riptorn311 wrote: I’m saying that all the problems mankind caused was a result of god...God let mankind get into the situation he was in by planting the tree of knowledge...It was god that tempted man in the garden, not the serpent...The tree was a result of god. the snake was a result of god...curiosity was a result of god...and mans fall from grace is a result of god...

So, you’re saying that God should force us to love and obey him?

According to the believers god kows everything, so he knows he doesnt need to force us because he knows there are nutcases all over the place that do that for him....Salem witch trials, crusades, the 3rd reich, etc. etc. etc.

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

riptorn311 wrote: According to the believers god kows everything, so he knows he doesnt need to force us because he knows there are nutcases all over the place that do that for him....Salem witch trials, crusades, the 3rd reich, etc. etc. etc.

So basically, if everyone was a nutcase, then we’d all be fine.

Yes because we would all be worshiping god...Finally you get it...

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

Okay. So if everyone worshipped God, then we’d be fine.

So since God gave us the choice of whether or not to worship him, it’s his fault we’re all screwed up the butt.

Red_Calibur9 wrote: Okay. So if everyone worshipped God, then we’d be fine.

So since God gave us the choice of whether or not to worship him, it’s his fault we’re all screwed up the butt.

Of course, because if everyone held the same opinion there would be no dissent among people.
The problem with that is its never going to happen. Everyone associated with religion is absolutely sure that they are correct in their beliefs.(Humming “Imagine” by John Lennon) I can say that I dont know if there is a “god”. In the same breath I can also say I am against most all the bible...

And the second part is a flat out yes...It’s all god’s fault

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

riptorn311 wrote: I’m saying that all the problems mankind caused was a result of god...God let mankind get into the situation he was in by planting the tree of knowledge...It was god that tempted man in the garden, not the serpent...The tree was a result of god. the snake was a result of god...curiosity was a result of god...and mans fall from grace is a result of god...

So, you’re saying that God should force us to love and obey him?

1) He pretty much does anyway, why else did he make Hell?
2) It’s better than setting us up to not love him. Blaming us for turning away when it was predestined is like having a kid who you know will be a sociopath and then blaming him for being a sociopath.
3) Free will doesn’t really exist. We just respond to our environment.

The story of “god’s plan” reeks of ignorant primitive human behavior.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote: The story of “god’s plan” reeks of ignorant primitive human behavior.

You mean like refusing to look at someone else’s perspective and only considering your own in any form of judgment is also primitive human behavior?

Just sayin'.

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RageOverdose wrote:

Gplex wrote: The story of “god’s plan” reeks of ignorant primitive human behavior.

You mean like refusing to look at someone else’s perspective and only considering your own in any form of judgment is also primitive human behavior?

Just sayin'.

Absolutely believable behavior for primative human - gplex is not denying he is an evolved primate.

And more to the point, gplex has looked into someone else’s perspective and rejected it on what I would assume are logical reasons.

Same as I have.

silverspirit2001 wrote:
Absolutely believable behavior for primative human - gplex is not denying he is an evolved primate.

And more to the point, gplex has looked into someone else’s perspective and rejected it on what I would assume are logical reasons.

Same as I have.

Okay, then why bring it up? If he is what he criticizing others for, as you claim, than it is a moot point that means nothing. It only makes sense to say something like that to insult someone else.

And, I am too skeptical to believe that he has gone through attempting to understand another perspective starting from a non-biased point. To look through another perspective is to think just like another person would. Of course, this has much room for error, for there are complex differences between every human, of course, and it is near impossible to 100% convert your socialized brain to another form of socialization.

I guess a point I’m trying to make is, much like atheists do not like being judged by God’s standards, perhaps Christians don’t like being judged by some atheist’s standards of analytical logistics.

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RageOverdose wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote:
Absolutely believable behavior for primative human - gplex is not denying he is an evolved primate.

And more to the point, gplex has looked into someone else’s perspective and rejected it on what I would assume are logical reasons.

Same as I have.

Okay, then why bring it up? If he is what he criticizing others for, as you claim, than it is a moot point that means nothing. It only makes sense to say something like that to insult someone else.

And, I am too skeptical to believe that he has gone through attempting to understand another perspective starting from a non-biased point. To look through another perspective is to think just like another person would. Of course, this has much room for error, for there are complex differences between every human, of course, and it is near impossible to 100% convert your socialized brain to another form of socialization.

I guess a point I’m trying to make is, much like atheists do not like being judged by God’s standards, perhaps Christians don’t like being judged by some atheist’s standards of analytical logistics.

Actually, most christians dont like being judged according to their own (christian) standards...When someone points out a fallacy according to christian arguments using the bible the first response I ALWAYS hear is “your taking it out of context”...usually followed by “you just don’t understand”....I honestly have to laugh at the understanding part considering that christianity became a dumbed down religion in the second to fourth century to allow all people to join the ranks. Not just the people who are in the know(gnosis)....

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

riptorn311 wrote:

RageOverdose wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote:
Absolutely believable behavior for primative human - gplex is not denying he is an evolved primate.

And more to the point, gplex has looked into someone else’s perspective and rejected it on what I would assume are logical reasons.

Same as I have.

Okay, then why bring it up? If he is what he criticizing others for, as you claim, than it is a moot point that means nothing. It only makes sense to say something like that to insult someone else.

And, I am too skeptical to believe that he has gone through attempting to understand another perspective starting from a non-biased point. To look through another perspective is to think just like another person would. Of course, this has much room for error, for there are complex differences between every human, of course, and it is near impossible to 100% convert your socialized brain to another form of socialization.

I guess a point I’m trying to make is, much like atheists do not like being judged by God’s standards, perhaps Christians don’t like being judged by some atheist’s standards of analytical logistics.

Actually, most christians dont like being judged according to their own (christian) standards...When someone points out a fallacy according to christian arguments using the bible the first response I ALWAYS hear is “your taking it out of context”...usually followed by “you just don’t understand”....I honestly have to laugh at the understanding part considering that christianity became a dumbed down religion in the second to fourth century to allow all people to join the ranks. Not just the people who are in the know(gnosis)....

Atheists do take things out of contexts usually for satirical reasons. They over simplify some things, and make others more complex. Read scriptures half way and thus missing the point.

People (in general) make Christianity more difficult than what it really is, the gnostics did by adding obscure egyptian/greek ideas etc. (which would later form islam and cause more confusion) and the romans did afterward by trying to Christianize pagan folklore and force the religion upon said denizens.

Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!

riptorn311 wrote:
Actually, most christians dont like being judged according to their own (christian) standards...When someone points out a fallacy according to christian arguments using the bible the first response I ALWAYS hear is “your taking it out of context”...usually followed by “you just don’t understand”....I honestly have to laugh at the understanding part considering that christianity became a dumbed down religion in the second to fourth century to allow all people to join the ranks. Not just the people who are in the know(gnosis)....

I always hear this complaint too.

Maybe because you are taking it out of context? Their context anyway. Contexts differ from person to person, and it is common for people to take things out of context in any subject. I’ve seen atheists fuck up the theory of evolution and natural selection, and I find that even Christians tend to overblow things in the Bible sometimes, or hypocritically focus on someone’s follies when they are guilty of the same thing.

Morals/beliefs are all ideas that, for the longest time, have been particularly ethnocentric in the perspective taken on them. People tend to judge others by their own standards, even though others develop by a different set of standards, unless in the same cultural circle. You don’t really have to agree with someone if you understand them, but to make a judgment with a broken understanding of it is stupid. You don’t try to magnetically cool a system of gas particles if you don’t understand how the magnet cools it, because you are just in for letting every particle escape.

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RageOverdose wrote:

Gplex wrote: The story of “god’s plan” reeks of ignorant primitive human behavior.

You mean like refusing to look at someone else’s perspective and only considering your own in any form of judgment is also primitive human behavior?

Just sayin'.

Speculating on how I short through information doesn’t mean anything.
You are no better than those who claim atheist are satin worshipers.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

RageOverdose wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote:
Absolutely believable behavior for primative human - gplex is not denying he is an evolved primate.

And more to the point, gplex has looked into someone else’s perspective and rejected it on what I would assume are logical reasons.

Same as I have.

Okay, then why bring it up? If he is what he criticizing others for, as you claim, than it is a moot point that means nothing. It only makes sense to say something like that to insult someone else.

And, I am too skeptical to believe that he has gone through attempting to understand another perspective starting from a non-biased point. To look through another perspective is to think just like another person would. Of course, this has much room for error, for there are complex differences between every human, of course, and it is near impossible to 100% convert your socialized brain to another form of socialization.

I guess a point I’m trying to make is, much like atheists do not like being judged by God’s standards, perhaps Christians don’t like being judged by some atheist’s standards of analytical logistics.

Only children cannot handle insult. Are you a child?
I have every right, and plenty of reasons to take this position on a book that is not compatible with the universal declaration of human rights.
So your only rebuttal to my claim that the bible is clearly written by primitive ignorant human beings, is that I might be bias. WTF. Are you serious!
This is one of the most typical arguments use by those who claim to see ghosts, faith healers etc. Why do they use these types of arguments? Because it is nearly impossible to disprove this claim.
Whenever you hear someone say “open your mind”, or “you are too bias”. It is code for “think the way I think” or “don’t question the way I think”. It’s a blatant attempt to silence those who call BS.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

some one new wrote: Atheists do take things out of contexts usually for satirical reasons. They over simplify some things, and make others more complex. Read scriptures half way and thus missing the point.

People (in general) make Christianity more difficult than what it really is, the gnostics did by adding obscure egyptian/greek ideas etc. (which would later form islam and cause more confusion) and the romans did afterward by trying to Christianize pagan folklore and force the religion upon said denizens.

Yea, Im sure the bible never says to stone children.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Apperently there are dice in the Bible that makes you know God’s will.

Look up AZsuperman’s Bible Quiz. It’s in there.

RageOverdose wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:
Actually, most christians dont like being judged according to their own (christian) standards...When someone points out a fallacy according to christian arguments using the bible the first response I ALWAYS hear is “your taking it out of context”...usually followed by “you just don’t understand”....I honestly have to laugh at the understanding part considering that christianity became a dumbed down religion in the second to fourth century to allow all people to join the ranks. Not just the people who are in the know(gnosis)....

I always hear this complaint too.

Maybe because you are taking it out of context? Their context anyway. Contexts differ from person to person, and it is common for people to take things out of context in any subject. I’ve seen atheists fuck up the theory of evolution and natural selection, and I find that even Christians tend to overblow things in the Bible sometimes, or hypocritically focus on someone’s follies when they are guilty of the same thing.

Morals/beliefs are all ideas that, for the longest time, have been particularly ethnocentric in the perspective taken on them. People tend to judge others by their own standards, even though others develop by a different set of standards, unless in the same cultural circle. You don’t really have to agree with someone if you understand them, but to make a judgment with a broken understanding of it is stupid. You don’t try to magnetically cool a system of gas particles if you don’t understand how the magnet cools it, because you are just in for letting every particle escape.

Yet an interesting thing happens when you judge someone by their own set of standards, or should I say doctrines. They try to rationalize their own inability to live up to the doctrine by coming up with some pretty absurd excuses...It really is simple...Overcompensation of a broken religion by lashing out at “subversives” that have moved past the idea that an invisible man watches and knows everything that happens to everyone...Oh..by the way...paul bunyon had an ox that was blue....its true because i read it in the adventures of paul bunyon....lmao

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

some one new wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

RageOverdose wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote:
Absolutely believable behavior for primative human - gplex is not denying he is an evolved primate.

And more to the point, gplex has looked into someone else’s perspective and rejected it on what I would assume are logical reasons.

Same as I have.

Okay, then why bring it up? If he is what he criticizing others for, as you claim, than it is a moot point that means nothing. It only makes sense to say something like that to insult someone else.

And, I am too skeptical to believe that he has gone through attempting to understand another perspective starting from a non-biased point. To look through another perspective is to think just like another person would. Of course, this has much room for error, for there are complex differences between every human, of course, and it is near impossible to 100% convert your socialized brain to another form of socialization.

I guess a point I’m trying to make is, much like atheists do not like being judged by God’s standards, perhaps Christians don’t like being judged by some atheist’s standards of analytical logistics.

Actually, most christians dont like being judged according to their own (christian) standards...When someone points out a fallacy according to christian arguments using the bible the first response I ALWAYS hear is “your taking it out of context”...usually followed by “you just don’t understand”....I honestly have to laugh at the understanding part considering that christianity became a dumbed down religion in the second to fourth century to allow all people to join the ranks. Not just the people who are in the know(gnosis)....

Atheists do take things out of contexts usually for satirical reasons. They over simplify some things, and make others more complex. Read scriptures half way and thus missing the point.

People (in general) make Christianity more difficult than what it really is, the gnostics did by adding obscure egyptian/greek ideas etc. (which would later form islam and cause more confusion) and the romans did afterward by trying to Christianize pagan folklore and force the religion upon said denizens.

Acually what happens is a christian has a point of view. An athiest or someone who just thinks the bible is absurd writes a sentence from the bible to contradict the christians point of view. Thats when the magic happens...The end all argument “your taking it out of context”...Hey I’m just quoting what YOUR holy book says...Also tried and succeded with the pagan holidays...

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts