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If Zeus is weaker than Chronos and Ouranos, then how comem he killed Chronos who killed Ouranos? Also Chaos is just the primordial stage of existence, long gone, and Gaia>Typhon. Zeus also defeated Typhon.

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The final cero wrote: He may not be the strongest but he is the most well known. Also is there a god of chaos in greek myth?



he is the creator of all titans and Olympian god. oldest identity in greek mythology.

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clearly not if kratos kills’um....straight but thats offtopic i know.... Uhg..


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herwasde wrote: If Zeus is weaker than Chronos and Ouranos, then how comem he killed Chronos who killed Ouranos? Also Chaos is just the primordial stage of existence, long gone, and Gaia>Typhon. Zeus also defeated Typhon.


Zeus killed Cronus, not Chronos.


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King Dhaos wrote:

herwasde wrote: If Zeus is weaker than Chronos and Ouranos, then how comem he killed Chronos who killed Ouranos? Also Chaos is just the primordial stage of existence, long gone, and Gaia>Typhon. Zeus also defeated Typhon.


Zeus killed Cronus, not Chronos.

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King Dhaos wrote:

herwasde wrote: If Zeus is weaker than Chronos and Ouranos, then how comem he killed Chronos who killed Ouranos? Also Chaos is just the primordial stage of existence, long gone, and Gaia>Typhon. Zeus also defeated Typhon.


Zeus killed Cronus, not Chronos.


Pretty sure he meant Cronos lol


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King Kazuma wrote:

King Dhaos wrote:

herwasde wrote: If Zeus is weaker than Chronos and Ouranos, then how comem he killed Chronos who killed Ouranos? Also Chaos is just the primordial stage of existence, long gone, and Gaia>Typhon. Zeus also defeated Typhon.


Zeus killed Cronus, not Chronos.


Pretty sure he meant Cronos lol



misunderstand with Chronos or Cronus

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herwasde wrote: If Zeus is weaker than Chronos and Ouranos, then how comem he killed Chronos who killed Ouranos? Also Chaos is just the primordial stage of existence, long gone, and Gaia>Typhon. Zeus also defeated Typhon.



1)Zeus needed loads of help to defeat Kronos.
2)Kronos ambushed Ouranos.
3)Chaos is the Void. There’s still the void of space.
4)Can’t be sure that Gaia>Typhon.
5)Zeus lost the first time, and only defeated him by throwing a relatively large mountain(Mount Etna) on him. And I’ve heard that Typhon was weakened before the second battle.

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Ok people I answered this in another topic.Zeus is NOT the most powerful Greek god, neither is Chaos.

Zeus is considered great because he was ruler or king among gods, he had a throne in heavens. However he wasnt the most powerful at all, there were other deities that simply didnt gave a shit about having a throne, because they ruled and period no need for a political position in a throne or anything.

That being said the most powerful individual Greek god was without a doubt Ananke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananke_%28mythology%29

For Ananke gods were to what gods were humans. What she decides, will occur period and thats it. For this Ananke was paid homenage and respect from both HUMANS AND GODS ALIKE. If Ananke wanted to, she could simply decide that tomorrow a newborn baby was going to defeat Zeus and all the Olympian pantheon with ease and it would happen, why? Becuase she says so.

Dammerung wrote: It is fairly useless to argue, as there were different traditions in the Greek world when it came to myths and legend.

Zeus was considered the most powerful in most traditions. In Orphic tradition, Zeus did in fact single handedly kill all of the Titans in the second war which occurred when a jealous Hera freed them in order to utilize them to kill Zeus’s heir (Zagreus), who was not her offspring.

Phanes was the Demiurge creator God, who could be equated to Jehova (or Yahweh, if you’re one of THOSE people) and in turn be considered the most powerful God. Phanes battled with Kaos for millenia, and became first king of the gods. Nyx is also considered to be powerful, she was second in line, then gave the rulership of the Gods to Uranos, who lost it to Cronus who castrated him.



No, Phanes was the primordial god of creation of life, not of all, and he was born from Ananke and Chronos.

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Konohades wrote: Ok people I answered this in another topic.Zeus is NOT the most powerful Greek god, neither is Chaos.

Zeus is considered great because he was ruler or king among gods, he had a throne in heavens. However he wasnt the most powerful at all, there were other deities that simply didnt gave a shit about having a throne, because they ruled and period no need for a political position in a throne or anything.

That being said the most powerful individual Greek god was without a doubt Ananke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananke_%28mythology%29

For Ananke gods were to what gods were humans. What she decides, will occur period and thats it. For this Ananke was paid homenage and respect from both HUMANS AND GODS ALIKE. If Ananke wanted to, she could simply decide that tomorrow a newborn baby was going to defeat Zeus and all the Olympian pantheon with ease and it would happen, why? Becuase she says so.

Dammerung wrote: It is fairly useless to argue, as there were different traditions in the Greek world when it came to myths and legend.

Zeus was considered the most powerful in most traditions. In Orphic tradition, Zeus did in fact single handedly kill all of the Titans in the second war which occurred when a jealous Hera freed them in order to utilize them to kill Zeus’s heir (Zagreus), who was not her offspring.

Phanes was the Demiurge creator God, who could be equated to Jehova (or Yahweh, if you’re one of THOSE people) and in turn be considered the most powerful God. Phanes battled with Kaos for millenia, and became first king of the gods. Nyx is also considered to be powerful, she was second in line, then gave the rulership of the Gods to Uranos, who lost it to Cronus who castrated him.



No, Phanes was the primordial god of creation of life, not of all, and he was born from Ananke and Chronos.



She maybe the strongest God which control destiny, necessity and fate could be second strong being in greek

Chaos by far strongest greek mythology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_%28cosmogony%29
here the proof Chaos are Omnipotence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence

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Raizen wrote:

Konohades wrote: Ok people I answered this in another topic.Zeus is NOT the most powerful Greek god, neither is Chaos.

Zeus is considered great because he was ruler or king among gods, he had a throne in heavens. However he wasnt the most powerful at all, there were other deities that simply didnt gave a shit about having a throne, because they ruled and period no need for a political position in a throne or anything.

That being said the most powerful individual Greek god was without a doubt Ananke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananke_%28mythology%29

For Ananke gods were to what gods were humans. What she decides, will occur period and thats it. For this Ananke was paid homenage and respect from both HUMANS AND GODS ALIKE. If Ananke wanted to, she could simply decide that tomorrow a newborn baby was going to defeat Zeus and all the Olympian pantheon with ease and it would happen, why? Becuase she says so.

Dammerung wrote: It is fairly useless to argue, as there were different traditions in the Greek world when it came to myths and legend.

Zeus was considered the most powerful in most traditions. In Orphic tradition, Zeus did in fact single handedly kill all of the Titans in the second war which occurred when a jealous Hera freed them in order to utilize them to kill Zeus’s heir (Zagreus), who was not her offspring.

Phanes was the Demiurge creator God, who could be equated to Jehova (or Yahweh, if you’re one of THOSE people) and in turn be considered the most powerful God. Phanes battled with Kaos for millenia, and became first king of the gods. Nyx is also considered to be powerful, she was second in line, then gave the rulership of the Gods to Uranos, who lost it to Cronus who castrated him.



No, Phanes was the primordial god of creation of life, not of all, and he was born from Ananke and Chronos.



She maybe the strongest God which control destiny, necessity and fate could be second strong being in greek

Chaos by far strongest greek mythology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_%28cosmogony%29
here the proof Chaos are Omnipotence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence



No, in the source you posted nothing says that Chaos is omnipotent, in fact there is NO omnipotent deity in Greek Pantheon.

And Ananke is more powerful than Chaos, so is Chronos her consort. Chaos from what I have researched (and I could be wrong) came out of the Cosmic Egg and then formed the universe, Ananke predated said egg.

Ananke can simply decides that tomorrow Chaos will cease to exist and it will. What she wills happen in the future.

There is a more powerful deity but is a merger, which is the merger of Chronos-Ananke which was prior to the universe in the form of the Primal Egg.

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Konohades wrote:

Raizen wrote:

Konohades wrote: Ok people I answered this in another topic.Zeus is NOT the most powerful Greek god, neither is Chaos.

Zeus is considered great because he was ruler or king among gods, he had a throne in heavens. However he wasnt the most powerful at all, there were other deities that simply didnt gave a shit about having a throne, because they ruled and period no need for a political position in a throne or anything.

That being said the most powerful individual Greek god was without a doubt Ananke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananke_%28mythology%29

For Ananke gods were to what gods were humans. What she decides, will occur period and thats it. For this Ananke was paid homenage and respect from both HUMANS AND GODS ALIKE. If Ananke wanted to, she could simply decide that tomorrow a newborn baby was going to defeat Zeus and all the Olympian pantheon with ease and it would happen, why? Becuase she says so.

Dammerung wrote: It is fairly useless to argue, as there were different traditions in the Greek world when it came to myths and legend.

Zeus was considered the most powerful in most traditions. In Orphic tradition, Zeus did in fact single handedly kill all of the Titans in the second war which occurred when a jealous Hera freed them in order to utilize them to kill Zeus’s heir (Zagreus), who was not her offspring.

Phanes was the Demiurge creator God, who could be equated to Jehova (or Yahweh, if you’re one of THOSE people) and in turn be considered the most powerful God. Phanes battled with Kaos for millenia, and became first king of the gods. Nyx is also considered to be powerful, she was second in line, then gave the rulership of the Gods to Uranos, who lost it to Cronus who castrated him.



No, Phanes was the primordial god of creation of life, not of all, and he was born from Ananke and Chronos.



She maybe the strongest God which control destiny, necessity and fate could be second strong being in greek

Chaos by far strongest greek mythology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_%28cosmogony%29
here the proof Chaos are Omnipotence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence



No, in the source you posted nothing says that Chaos is omnipotent, in fact there is NO omnipotent deity in Greek Pantheon.

And Ananke is more powerful than Chaos, so is Chronos her consort. Chaos from what I have researched (and I could be wrong) came out of the Cosmic Egg and then formed the universe, Ananke predated said egg.

Ananke can simply decides that tomorrow Chaos will cease to exist and it will. What she wills happen in the future.

There is a more powerful deity but is a merger, which is the merger of Chronos-Ananke which was prior to the universe in the form of the Primal Egg.



after doing some research Chronos and Ananke was equal which time and fate make to be pair together. Ananke maybe the most powerful but without Chronos time she is useless.

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zeus sucks balls. tom araya....................zeus /thread

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Konohades wrote: Ok people I answered this in another topic.Zeus is NOT the most powerful Greek god, neither is Chaos.

Zeus is considered great because he was ruler or king among gods, he had a throne in heavens. However he wasnt the most powerful at all, there were other deities that simply didnt gave a shit about having a throne, because they ruled and period no need for a political position in a throne or anything.

That being said the most powerful individual Greek god was without a doubt Ananke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananke_%28mythology%29

For Ananke gods were to what gods were humans. What she decides, will occur period and thats it. For this Ananke was paid homenage and respect from both HUMANS AND GODS ALIKE. If Ananke wanted to, she could simply decide that tomorrow a newborn baby was going to defeat Zeus and all the Olympian pantheon with ease and it would happen, why? Becuase she says so.

Dammerung wrote: It is fairly useless to argue, as there were different traditions in the Greek world when it came to myths and legend.

Zeus was considered the most powerful in most traditions. In Orphic tradition, Zeus did in fact single handedly kill all of the Titans in the second war which occurred when a jealous Hera freed them in order to utilize them to kill Zeus’s heir (Zagreus), who was not her offspring.

Phanes was the Demiurge creator God, who could be equated to Jehova (or Yahweh, if you’re one of THOSE people) and in turn be considered the most powerful God. Phanes battled with Kaos for millenia, and became first king of the gods. Nyx is also considered to be powerful, she was second in line, then gave the rulership of the Gods to Uranos, who lost it to Cronus who castrated him.



No, Phanes was the primordial god of creation of life, not of all, and he was born from Ananke and Chronos.



never knew Ananke exist bugeye

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So apparently once again another thread goes off topic^^^


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Pyroformer wrote: So apparently once again another thread goes off topic^^^



showed Zeus is mid-tier level in Greek Mythology

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Raizen wrote:

Konohades wrote:

Raizen wrote:

Konohades wrote: Ok people I answered this in another topic.Zeus is NOT the most powerful Greek god, neither is Chaos.

Zeus is considered great because he was ruler or king among gods, he had a throne in heavens. However he wasnt the most powerful at all, there were other deities that simply didnt gave a shit about having a throne, because they ruled and period no need for a political position in a throne or anything.

That being said the most powerful individual Greek god was without a doubt Ananke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananke_%28mythology%29

For Ananke gods were to what gods were humans. What she decides, will occur period and thats it. For this Ananke was paid homenage and respect from both HUMANS AND GODS ALIKE. If Ananke wanted to, she could simply decide that tomorrow a newborn baby was going to defeat Zeus and all the Olympian pantheon with ease and it would happen, why? Becuase she says so.

Dammerung wrote: It is fairly useless to argue, as there were different traditions in the Greek world when it came to myths and legend.

Zeus was considered the most powerful in most traditions. In Orphic tradition, Zeus did in fact single handedly kill all of the Titans in the second war which occurred when a jealous Hera freed them in order to utilize them to kill Zeus’s heir (Zagreus), who was not her offspring.

Phanes was the Demiurge creator God, who could be equated to Jehova (or Yahweh, if you’re one of THOSE people) and in turn be considered the most powerful God. Phanes battled with Kaos for millenia, and became first king of the gods. Nyx is also considered to be powerful, she was second in line, then gave the rulership of the Gods to Uranos, who lost it to Cronus who castrated him.



No, Phanes was the primordial god of creation of life, not of all, and he was born from Ananke and Chronos.



She maybe the strongest God which control destiny, necessity and fate could be second strong being in greek

Chaos by far strongest greek mythology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_%28cosmogony%29
here the proof Chaos are Omnipotence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence



No, in the source you posted nothing says that Chaos is omnipotent, in fact there is NO omnipotent deity in Greek Pantheon.

And Ananke is more powerful than Chaos, so is Chronos her consort. Chaos from what I have researched (and I could be wrong) came out of the Cosmic Egg and then formed the universe, Ananke predated said egg.

Ananke can simply decides that tomorrow Chaos will cease to exist and it will. What she wills happen in the future.

There is a more powerful deity but is a merger, which is the merger of Chronos-Ananke which was prior to the universe in the form of the Primal Egg.



after doing some research Chronos and Ananke was equal which time and fate make to be pair together. Ananke maybe the most powerful but without Chronos time she is useless.



Basically, but Ananke was considered more powerful than Chronos. If you really want to go to the thing closer to a supreme deity in Greek Mythology it would be the Primal Egg. Which was when Chronos and Ananke were interwinded basically as one entity.

Ananke had the power that what she said, happened period, if she said tomorrow Aphrodite is going to solo Mount Olympus she will.

While Chronos controlled time.

So if you mix them together you would have reality warping, a being capable of saying what will happen at any time and given momment.

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in the original creatin story of the greek mythology everything ensprang from chaos.
Chronos was made up after that story by philisophers for their own storys.

Alternatively attested genealogy structures

The ancient Greeks proposed many different ideas about primordial deities in their mythology, which would later be largely adapted by the Romans. The many religious cosmologies constructed by Greek poets each give a different account of which deities came first.
Mother Earth Gaia, modern sculpture

The Iliad, an epic poem attributed to Homer about the Trojan War (an oral tradition of 700 or 600 BC) states that Oceanus (and possibly Tethys, too) is the parent of all the deities.[1]
Alcman (c. 600 BC) made the water-nymph Thetis the first goddess, producing poros “path”, tekmor “marker” and skotos “darkness” on the pathless, featureless void.
Orphic poetry (c. 530 BC) made Nyx the first principle, Night, and her offspring were many. Also, in the Orphic tradition, Phanes (a mystic Orphic deity of light and procreation, sometimes identified with the Elder Eros) is the original ruler of the universe, who hatched from the cosmic egg.[2]
Aristophanes (c. 456386 BC) wrote in his Birds, that Nyx is the first deity also, and that she produced Eros from an egg.

Philosophers of Classical Greece also constructed their own metaphysical cosmogonies, with their own primordial deities:

Pherecydes of Syros (c. 600-550 BC) made Chronos (“time”wink the first deity in his Heptamychia.
Empedocles (c. 490430 BC) wrote that Aphrodite and Ares were the first principles, who wove the universe out of the four elements with their powers of love and strife.
Plato in (360 BC) introduced the concept in Timaeus, the demiurge, modeled the universe on the Ideas.


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MidKnight wrote: in the original creatin story of the greek mythology everything ensprang from chaos.
Chronos was made up after that story by philisophers for their own storys.

Alternatively attested genealogy structures

The ancient Greeks proposed many different ideas about primordial deities in their mythology, which would later be largely adapted by the Romans. The many religious cosmologies constructed by Greek poets each give a different account of which deities came first.
Mother Earth Gaia, modern sculpture

The Iliad, an epic poem attributed to Homer about the Trojan War (an oral tradition of 700 or 600 BC) states that Oceanus (and possibly Tethys, too) is the parent of all the deities.[1]
Alcman (c. 600 BC) made the water-nymph Thetis the first goddess, producing poros “path”, tekmor “marker” and skotos “darkness” on the pathless, featureless void.
Orphic poetry (c. 530 BC) made Nyx the first principle, Night, and her offspring were many. Also, in the Orphic tradition, Phanes (a mystic Orphic deity of light and procreation, sometimes identified with the Elder Eros) is the original ruler of the universe, who hatched from the cosmic egg.[2]
Aristophanes (c. 456386 BC) wrote in his Birds, that Nyx is the first deity also, and that she produced Eros from an egg.

Philosophers of Classical Greece also constructed their own metaphysical cosmogonies, with their own primordial deities:

Pherecydes of Syros (c. 600-550 BC) made Chronos (“time”wink the first deity in his Heptamychia.
Empedocles (c. 490430 BC) wrote that Aphrodite and Ares were the first principles, who wove the universe out of the four elements with their powers of love and strife.
Plato in (360 BC) introduced the concept in Timaeus, the demiurge, modeled the universe on the Ideas.



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