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daledude wrote:

some one new offline wrote:

Indal wrote:

some one new wrote:

daledude wrote:
I think that churches for the most part would sooner adapt than wither and fade into some fringe group. The Christians will become a minority eventually, but not before they become more liberal.

I think we are more or less moving away from the point where mainstream Christianity can be reformed. Since people have a choice of what they can believe they will more likely take advantage of that.

That was probably not meant to be implied but, you kinda sounded like “We should make people believe it to reform the religion." in a way.

People are more likely to reform a religion if they really don’t have a choice in what they can believe. Why make Christianity different when you could just join another religion (or not have one?). I think thats the mind set today for a lot of people who moved away from the faith (not necessarily you but....then again you always claim to have just woke up one day after a debate with these guys here and became an Atheist. Based on your testimony, you kind of confirm what I’ve been saying. (Not trying to attack you personally or really “attack” anyone) But it seems that people are moving toward the alternative faith route. There are exceptions of course.

I don’t see why both can’t be happening at the same time. Churches will adapt as best they can just as they’ve always done, but will simultaneously continue to lose attendance. In the end they are just grasping at straws, but I don’t see any reason why they should stop grasping.

When I think about a church becoming more accepting of things originally seen as sin I think about the universialist unitarian church. Although the church has roots in Christianity it isn’t really a Christian church. All ideas, beliefs, etc. are allowed and preached in the Church. I say this will be what becomes of the mainstream church. But for the actual Christian only church it will become more isolated.

daledude wrote:

some one new offline wrote:

Geass wrote: Well I’m Christian,but if gay People want to Merry let them.What I hate about my Religion is they try to keep everyone from doing something,and try to shove their Religion down other people’s throats.

They will get married and it will most likely be nationally legal. But I doubt that will transfer to universial exceptance (or mainstream Christian exceptance). At my church, for example, if a gay couple wanted to join the church they could and would be treated equally (which may be the bad part for them) they shouldn’t be surprised if they hear an anti gay theme sermon. After all we do have divorced people at the church but they will still preach anti divorce sermons.

Divorce and sexual orientation are two very different things. Your church hasn’t accepted gay people if they are still preaching against homosexuality like it’s some kind of sin to overcome.

They treat homosexuality and divorce as sin. Its not singling out anyone, its merely teaching what has always been taught. Would it not be more hypocritical for a church to change its message simply because they don’t want people to be offended? You may not be religious but think of it from a Christian Church perspective. You teach against homosexuality for a long time but when a gay person comes to join the church you move away from that. Pretty two faced if you ask me. Let them in the church but still have church.

some one new offline wrote:

Indal wrote:

some one new wrote:

daledude wrote:
I think that churches for the most part would sooner adapt than wither and fade into some fringe group. The Christians will become a minority eventually, but not before they become more liberal.

I think we are more or less moving away from the point where mainstream Christianity can be reformed. Since people have a choice of what they can believe they will more likely take advantage of that.

That was probably not meant to be implied but, you kinda sounded like “We should make people believe it to reform the religion." in a way.

People are more likely to reform a religion if they really don’t have a choice in what they can believe. Why make Christianity different when you could just join another religion (or not have one?). I think thats the mind set today for a lot of people who moved away from the faith (not necessarily you but....then again you always claim to have just woke up one day after a debate with these guys here and became an Atheist. Based on your testimony, you kind of confirm what I’ve been saying. (Not trying to attack you personally or really “attack” anyone) But it seems that people are moving toward the alternative faith route. There are exceptions of course.

I don’t see why both can’t be happening at the same time. Churches will adapt as best they can just as they’ve always done, but will simultaneously continue to lose attendance. In the end they are just grasping at straws, but I don’t see any reason why they should stop grasping.

some one new offline wrote:

Geass wrote: Well I’m Christian,but if gay People want to Merry let them.What I hate about my Religion is they try to keep everyone from doing something,and try to shove their Religion down other people’s throats.

They will get married and it will most likely be nationally legal. But I doubt that will transfer to universial exceptance (or mainstream Christian exceptance). At my church, for example, if a gay couple wanted to join the church they could and would be treated equally (which may be the bad part for them) they shouldn’t be surprised if they hear an anti gay theme sermon. After all we do have divorced people at the church but they will still preach anti divorce sermons.

Divorce and sexual orientation are two very different things. Your church hasn’t accepted gay people if they are still preaching against homosexuality like it’s some kind of sin to overcome.

Geass wrote: Well I’m Christian,but if gay People want to Merry let them.What I hate about my Religion is they try to keep everyone from doing something,and try to shove their Religion down other people’s throats.

They will get married and it will most likely be nationally legal. But I doubt that will transfer to universial exceptance (or mainstream Christian exceptance). At my church, for example, if a gay couple wanted to join the church they could and would be treated equally (which may be the bad part for them) they shouldn’t be surprised if they hear an anti gay theme sermon. After all we do have divorced people at the church but they will still preach anti divorce sermons.

Indal wrote:

some one new wrote:

daledude wrote:
I think that churches for the most part would sooner adapt than wither and fade into some fringe group. The Christians will become a minority eventually, but not before they become more liberal.

I think we are more or less moving away from the point where mainstream Christianity can be reformed. Since people have a choice of what they can believe they will more likely take advantage of that.

That was probably not meant to be implied but, you kinda sounded like “We should make people believe it to reform the religion." in a way.

People are more likely to reform a religion if they really don’t have a choice in what they can believe. Why make Christianity different when you could just join another religion (or not have one?). I think thats the mind set today for a lot of people who moved away from the faith (not necessarily you but....then again you always claim to have just woke up one day after a debate with these guys here and became an Atheist. Based on your testimony, you kind of confirm what I’ve been saying. (Not trying to attack you personally or really “attack” anyone) But it seems that people are moving toward the alternative faith route. There are exceptions of course.

some one new wrote:

daledude wrote:
I think that churches for the most part would sooner adapt than wither and fade into some fringe group. The Christians will become a minority eventually, but not before they become more liberal.

I think we are more or less moving away from the point where mainstream Christianity can be reformed. Since people have a choice of what they can believe they will more likely take advantage of that.

That was probably not meant to be implied but, you kinda sounded like “We should make people believe it to reform the religion." in a way.

daledude wrote:
I think that churches for the most part would sooner adapt than wither and fade into some fringe group. The Christians will become a minority eventually, but not before they become more liberal.

I think we are more or less moving away from the point where mainstream Christianity can be reformed. Since people have a choice of what they can believe they will more likely take advantage of that.

Anniversaries do gay couples forget them too?

Well I’m Christian,but if gay People want to Merry let them.What I hate about my Religion is they try to keep everyone from doing something,and try to shove their Religion down other people’s throats.