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what i meant by “equality” is that we are equal as far as the fact we are human but... i also understand that though we have different strengths and weaknesses some people value other strengths higher than others... so your plan would only work if we cross bred races over and over again to build a super race but we know this is as impractical as the evil method of ethnic cleansing

your method fails because it doesn’t factor in the monetary value of skills... which to me is sad that currency like always will find a way to breed more hate...
socialism would be a quick revision to your plan but people fail to embrace it once again cause of money,fear, and a sense of superiority...hence the birth of autocracy

bonesboy08 wrote:

some one new wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote:

some one new wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote: wait I see now that i have read your post again... but it is proven your more scientific when your born and your emotions at that time are geared at self gratification... and if pleasing god by helping others gets you there then fine... atheist’s just took out the middle man in that statement

Well...its hard to explain but its not about doing it to please God only. But it is an emotional responsibility. Atheists on the other hand don’t have the responsibility to be empathetic, kind and love people they just do. However they are just as empathetic as they are rational (if not more rational). As we move away from religion (as the statistics suggest) we may become permissable of anything as long as it seems reasonable and rational. And if it doesn’t we can seek scientific analyzation if their is an innate programing or a physical condition that causes the problem. Eventually the people who have the problems will try to seek acceptance or at least compassion. Eventually gain it. Hitler for example, supposably suffered from a mental condition which ran in his family (rather than him simply being an evil person). Ivan the terrible had mercury poisening. Do you understand what I’m saying?

are u saying atheist’s don’t believe in evil as the cause well your partially right...

Well it is true we don’t beleive in evil the same way u do. we look at it as the product rather than the cause ... if you think about it that is why psychology came into existance... to find the cause to people’s behavior rather than blame it on a posseseion or an evil nature.

what you don’t understand is why we do this. scientists don’t anylyze a psycho’s life to bring them compassion,though often they will recieve some, we still beleive their actions are wrong and that they should be justly punished but they are still human.

let me give you an example my aunt is schizophrenic and one day she stole a radio from best buy and when we confronted her about it, at first she blamed it on her illness, but eventually
she came around and paid the fine for the radio. Now you see, stealing the radio could have been part of her on going delusion of communist spies listening to her. Put that aside though and she realized she was wrong for stealing and for giving into her delusions. she was still punished but it was made aware she is not a monster

you see waht i am getting at?

It is like you are saying our beliefs are too liberal but really they are within reason. what makes them liberal is where we apply open thought and that is what makes us compassionate

It is the fear of change, acceptance,tolerance and thing that are new that convervative politics and religion is failing. You fail to understand it is not christian to be compassionate ...it is human

On issues we have yet to solve we don’t immediately give credit to a deity or demon like you do but we study it and find a reason for it to be

You say its within reason but think about it, anything can seriously be justified through reason and logic.
James D. Watson, an Atheist, believes through his research that African Americans were genetically inferior.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Watson[/url]
These ideas during his time could have legitimized the ideas of racism etc. from a scientific perspective. Nowadays we changed our beliefs on that because we know otherwise. And now we know that people are all equal. But I digress.
“Open thinkers” (Atheists) found ways to legitimize the social norms of Society (you can’t blame it all on religion )Slaves suffering from a sickness that “made them want to be free”.

Now were moving in a different direction, the new age mind set of all things are permissable as long as it doesn’t harm anyone, but the threshold is going higher if you understand what I mean.

no that was emotional appeal or personal bias sure that may appear to be logic but really it is an emotion based feeling called hate and as you know hate is illogical but you have to admit it is a strong driving force that can misconstrued logical thinking. like wise i am sure you can find genes that if looked at in a biased point of view would make blacks superior to whites... it is all about perception.

HUmans are like i said,usually, not totally one way or the other...unless they are ill.

if you feel i am attacking christians I am not... there is the exception to the rule ... there are “open minded” christians and “narrow -minded” atheists but even you admited that atheist tend to be more logical thus more open minded and christians tend to be more conservative

and if we want to talk about people legitimizing their hate i should mention the fact that southern white baptist’s formed the KKK and there is the crusades, as well as the good christians who condoned slavery and segregration, once the blacks were free, cause their bible said they were inferior (still does, and yes i have read the bible ... it condones slavery as well as treating women as doormats but i digress)

change whether good or bad must be followed through to the end...

you see even if that change is bad we can “change” it for the better. It is the people that are not on board and become traditional that get left behind and they become a hinderance to the rest of us (if there is enough of them)and bad 'change' comes about... which is often referred to as regression

Racism, the politically taboo discussion.

Unfortunately all the discussions on the hereditary and environmental factors are based on the news headlines.
Asking for a substantive debate into race and intelligence is deemed to infringe on some philosophical views on equality, driven in part by guilt by Hitler using insufficiently evidenced theory for his own political ideals.

But this view is wrong, as in, equality is based on the interests of people, e.g. how you live your life is a choice others should not decide for you.

The prevailing view of equality most presented in the media is that their is no difference in the races, and that only environmental factors play a role, somewhat supported by genetics, which has not shown a general genetic difference in the races.

This is mildly problematic, as saying equal rights is dependent on equal intelligence of the races, forces the racist to genuflect to the next genius they meet. And in the end, it can be used to generate an Orwellian view, some animals are more equal than others.

To reiterate, equality is based on the interests of people, do not define equality in terms of their capacity.

Then their can be a rational debate, and hopeful improve understanding of racial differences to the benefit of all humankind - after all, the average black person has a substantially better spatial awareness IQ than all the other races, suggesting they would be better architects.

If you could use that ability to teach children, it would help engage their interest and improve the average education attainment of black people.
And I would say that would be a positive thing.

No individual is guaranteed salvation. Christians are expected to “work out their own salvation with fear and trembling” (Phil 2:12). Salvation is not to be regarded as a one time event, but as a goal to be sought after, one that can be lost. ~St. Paul.

Christians can be assured of their salvation if they are faithful and keep God’s commandments. If they die in that state, they are assured of heaven.

When we sin, we weaken our bond with God and that leads us away from the path of salvation. As a catholic, I receive the sacrament of confession where I confess my sins to a priest. I receive forgiveness of my sins and my relationship with God is restored.

When we sin, it is important to realize that is hurts God. As God is a personal God with feelings.

I recommend that you read Mere Christianity and The Screwtape Letters if you are interested in exploring this topic. Take care.

some one new wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote: what i was reffering to is how the christains in the south used this passage as an excuse to enslave a people and naturally assumed it meant the blacks and that God thought it was perfectly moral to do so

That wasn’t how you phrased it.

sorry if you didn’t understand that... yes i know there is no mention of enslaving the blacks in the bible but once eveidence that the jews of the old testament (post-moses) bought carthagenean slaves(who were often black) kinda of ironic cause they were once enslaved by Africans not too far from carthage in egypt.

Even if i meant the blacks i am sure you knew that is who the jews had in their slave-quarters anyhow even though they didn’t specifically mean the blacks

some one new wrote: ”(still does, and yes i have read the bible ... it condones slavery as well as treating women as doormats but i digress)"


Show me the entire scripture not just that verse

Atheists love to quote this one

Ephesians 5

22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

But they seem to ignore what follows.

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

bonesboy08 wrote:

some one new wrote: “cause their bible said they were inferior (still does, and yes i have read the bible "

Also show me where it specifically says blacks are inferior (not where slavery is condoned that goes without saying)

I wasn’t referring to the blacks as the slaves but slaves in general... either way nobody should take that book seriously except for maybe the gospels and it terrible that any holy book condone slavery of anybody ... don’t you think?

John 13
1[NOW] BEFORE the Passover Feast began, Jesus knew (was fully aware) that the time had come for Him to leave this world and return to the Father. And as He had loved those who were His own in the world, He loved them to the last and [a]to the highest degree.
2So [it was] during supper, Satan having already put the thought of betraying Jesus in the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son,

3[That] Jesus, knowing (fully aware) that the Father had put everything into His hands, and that He had come from God and was [now] returning to God,

4Got up from supper, took off His garments, and taking a [servant’s] towel, He fastened it around His waist.

5Then He poured water into the washbasin and began to wash the disciples' feet and to wipe them with the [servant’s] towel with which He was girded.

6When He came to Simon Peter, [Peter] said to Him, Lord, are my feet to be washed by You? [Is it for You to wash my feet?]

7Jesus said to him, You do not understand now what I am doing, but you will understand later on.

8Peter said to Him, You shall never wash my feet! Jesus answered him, Unless I wash you, you have no part with ([b]in) Me [you have no share in companionship with Me].

9Simon Peter said to Him, Lord, [wash] not only my feet, but my hands and my head too!

10Jesus said to him, Anyone who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is clean all over. And you [My disciples] are clean, but not all of you.

11For He knew who was going to betray Him; that was the reason He said, Not all of you are clean.

12So when He had finished washing their feet and had put on His garments and had sat down again, He said to them, Do you understand what I have done to you?

13You call Me the Teacher (Master) and the Lord, and you are right in doing so, for that is what I am.

14If I then, your Lord and Teacher (Master), have washed your feet, you ought [it is your duty, you are under obligation, you owe it] to wash one another’s feet.

15For I have given you this as an example, so that you should do [in your turn] what I have done to you.

16I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, A servant is not greater than his master, and no one who is sent is superior to the one who sent him.

17If you know these things, blessed and happy and [c]to be envied are you if you practice them [if you act accordingly and really do them].

Even though it says the servant isn’t greater than his master the master (in this situation Jesus) humbled himself and served his disciples.

bonesboy08 wrote: what i was reffering to is how the christains in the south used this passage as an excuse to enslave a people and naturally assumed it meant the blacks and that God thought it was perfectly moral to do so

That wasn’t how you phrased it.

what i was reffering to is how the christains in the south used this passage as an excuse to enslave a people and naturally assumed it meant the blacks and that God thought it was perfectly moral to do so

some one new wrote: “cause their bible said they were inferior (still does, and yes i have read the bible "

Also show me where it specifically says blacks are inferior (not where slavery is condoned that goes without saying)

I wasn’t referring to the blacks as the slaves but slaves in general... either way nobody should take that book seriously except for maybe the gospels and it terrible that any holy book condone slavery of anybody ... don’t you think?

some one new wrote:

bonesboy said,"...(still does, and yes i have read the bible ... it condones slavery as well as treating women as doormats but i digress)..."


"...cause their bible said they were inferior (still does, and yes i have read the bible..."

I’m eager to read the reply to this.