Being a bodybuilder or normal teen who thinks he is one

oh hai wrote: k, thats it. im telling.

Telling who? Jesus?

“You cannot dream yourself into a character. You must hammer and forge yourself one-James A. Froude”

oh hai wrote: Again, I am not sure the point you are trying to make.

I have got ” People should not be judged on what they do” I am finding it difficult to put to words on how you are supposed to define characteristics then?

If a hobby I pursued was to torture animals or rape children, would I be morbidly excepted as “I had a hard days of work, its nice to come home and tear a leg or two off a kitten or rape a 5 year old.“ Is this okay? No its not.

You misunderstand me. I’m not saying we shouldn’t judge people by their moral standards, in fact, I think that’s the best way to judge a person. I’m just saying that arrogant people who think they’re better than everyone else because they’re physically strong are fucking assholes, just like people who claim intellectual supremacy and call other people morons if they dont give shit about Friedrich Nietzsche.

I know it sounds cheesy, but really, everyone has their own talents and intrests which cannot be called superior or inferior to anyone else’s. If all someone does in their spare time is play Halo, but this person is two or three times happier than the average person, how can you call him a loser? He’s enjoying himself. And you can’t call him immoral because he’s not hurting anybody else. I’m not that kind of person, whatever you think, but at least I’m secure enough in my own worth through my moral actions and individual skills that I don’t go around thinking I’m better than someone else and trying to make them feel inferior because they like football/drinking/love stories etc. and I don’t.

oh hai wrote: We are animals, our genetics from the day we existed have revolutionized into us being superior apes.

What the fuck are you talking about? There is no such thing as a superior or inferior organism in biology. Don’t try to use pseudo-scientific claims to justify your statements.

oh hai wrote: Physical strength is the most important thing in life,

No it’s not. There is no such thing as “the most important thing in life." Life is completely meaningless. Nothing is better or more worthwhile than anything else. We can give our life it’s own meaning, but that doesn’t mean these values are universal.

You called humans “superior” to apes before. Do you have any clue how strong most apes are? By that kind of reasoning a gorilla is superior to a human.

oh hai wrote: it determines the quality and quantity of life we have on the earth while placed in these bodies.

Again, quality is a matter of opinion. For most people it’s got more to do with money, social life, happiness and living conditions than physical strength anyway.

oh hai wrote: It is a state of principal that a man who is a doctorate in science will have a more enjoyable life when his bench or squat weight goes up.

So what? People can get happy from a lot of things; improving grades, a pay rise, getting married. What makes physical improvement any better than any other kind?

oh hai wrote: It’s plausible to assume that after a 14 hour work shift that you are exhausted and the last thing on your mind would be to stand under a barbell. That is human nature, it is part of the survival technique we have inbreeded into us.

Vaguely speaking on terms that will most likely push buttons on most of the users here. The man who is working hard in the gym after a days work to better himself and his quality of life IS IN FACT more accepted then the man who after a hard days work sits on his ass and watches TV or goes on the computer. Just so as it is with teenagers. Laziness is deemed upon as week, which is why the average teenager on this site may they be a male or female will not achieve a more successful and rewarding life then one of the same nature who goes out socializes and better’s himself.

Why would socializing matter to someone who wants to be by themself and play video games any more than reading fiction would matter to a sports nut who loves being outside and hates books?

oh hai wrote: This stabilizes the mentality that people with hobbies revolving around sitting on the computer talking about anime or playing video games for long hours are in fact inadequate in terms that they appear to have no drive in anything but resting. Thus they are deemed as weaker animals then those such as gym rats who live for dominance and superiority.

“My hobby is better!" “My music is better!" “My country is better!" “My race is better!" “My god is better!"

Fuck, sometimes I just hate people.

oh hai wrote: To have a gamer come into the sports section and insult my life style that he couldn’t even comprehend is completely irrational and stupid. He was blasting that I am a “wannabe” as I am inferior in his mind as I don’t reach a certain standard for acceptance. Just as he is inferior in my mind as he reaches the standard to be neglected on how he rationalizes hypocritical ism in the fullest form.

Is it likely I am being irrational by putting a person I have no knowledge of into a group by one hobby he pursues? Yes it is. Should I of typed “lol” and neglect the hostility and play it off as “I don’t care." No, What does that accomplish and why is it that this thread was created?

I’m not saying I agree with his position or anyone else’s, but that doesn’t mean I agree with yours either.

Rosputin wrote: You guys are awesome with a keyboard 8D Especially Shaun of the Living, it’s such a shame keyboard warriors don’t leave their dungeons to attack you in public. They are very, very stealthy creatures.

Keyboard warrior? You, Xtrm, Reality, King John and Firewolf are the ones who’ve bragged on the internet about how you could kick the asses of other people on here. Sounds like more of a “keyboard warrior” than someone who just likes debating.

I can kick the ass of Shawn of the Living.

“You cannot dream yourself into a character. You must hammer and forge yourself one-James A. Froude”

You probably could.

Shaun of the Living wrote: You probably could.

Aww you are no fun :< not like King John.

“You cannot dream yourself into a character. You must hammer and forge yourself one-James A. Froude”

Rosputin wrote:

Shaun of the Living wrote: You probably could.

Aww you are no fun :< not like King John.

I would like to take this oppourtunity to state that King John is black.

Shaun of the Living wrote:

Rosputin wrote:

Shaun of the Living wrote: You probably could.

Aww you are no fun :< not like King John.

I would like to take this oppourtunity to state that King John is black.

He is Mexican.

“You cannot dream yourself into a character. You must hammer and forge yourself one-James A. Froude”

Rosputin wrote:

Shaun of the Living wrote:

Rosputin wrote:

Shaun of the Living wrote: You probably could.

Aww you are no fun :< not like King John.

I would like to take this oppourtunity to state that King John is black.

He is Mexican.

Don’t listen to his lies.

oh hai wrote: We are animals, our genetics from the day we existed have revolutionized into us being superior apes.

Shaun of the Living wrote:
What the fuck are you talking about? There is no such thing as a superior or inferior organism in biology. Don’t try to use pseudo-scientific claims to justify your statements.

We are superior apes.. we have evolved faster then any single organism on this planet. That is why humans run this world, not gorilla’s or chimpanzees.

oh hai wrote: Physical strength is the most important thing in life,

Shaun of the Living wrote: No it’s not. There is no such thing as “the most important thing in life." Life is completely meaningless. Nothing is better or more worthwhile than anything else. We can give our life it’s own meaning, but that doesn’t mean these values are universal.

Yes, Physical Strength is the most important thing in life. Strength is EVERYTHING you do, everything you lift, how you move, how you type on the computer.. it is the movement of your muscles.

oh hai wrote: it determines the quality and quantity of life we have on the earth while placed in these bodies.

Shaun of the Living wrote: Again, quality is a matter of opinion. For most people it’s got more to do with money, social life, happiness and living conditions than physical strength anyway.

Like I said “A man who has a million dollars, a great social life and is happy.. will be happier if he is stronger." There is nothing to be debated about, that is the factual reality.

oh hai wrote: It is a state of principal that a man who is a doctorate in science will have a more enjoyable life when his bench or squat weight goes up.

Shaun of the Living wrote: So what? People can get happy from a lot of things; improving grades, a pay rise, getting married. What makes physical improvement any better than any other kind?

No. Those are event’s, those are not attributions that are generalized as an event or experience. Physical Strength is a principal that characterizes how you move and display yourself. It is like comparing being able to see with being able to play guitar.

oh hai wrote: This stabilizes the mentality that people with hobbies revolving around sitting on the computer talking about anime or playing video games for long hours are in fact inadequate in terms that they appear to have no drive in anything but resting. Thus they are deemed as weaker animals then those such as gym rats who live for dominance and superiority.

Shaun of the Living wrote: “My hobby is better!" “My music is better!" “My country is better!" “My race is better!" “My god is better!"

Fuck, sometimes I just hate people.

Having Rational Thought is one of the perks we picked up on when we evolved into what we are. But even though we classify ourselves as a superior animal.. we still have the survival genes in beaded inside us. We naturally judge a different organism on there ability to survive, produce more organisms and fend for themselves. We each have different preferences on what we want such as a woman may want a man who is strong (protect her and the family), Charismatic (Being able to communicate efficiently) and Healthy (life expectancy and healthy children) just as much as a woman may want a Skinny male with a great smile.

It is not possible to be able to look so vaguely at a person and look at someone totally different and be able to produce the same reaction and expression. If someone says they look at everyone the exact same.. they are a lier.

Rosputin wrote: You guys are awesome with a keyboard 8D Especially Shaun of the Living, it’s such a shame keyboard warriors don’t leave their dungeons to attack you in public. They are very, very stealthy creatures.

Shaun of the Living wrote: Keyboard warrior? You, Xtrm, Reality, King John and Firewolf are the ones who’ve bragged on the internet about how you could kick the asses of other people on here. Sounds like more of a “keyboard warrior” than someone who just likes debating.

You just showed that you judge people the same as any other would. The

Shaun of the Living wrote: “My hobby is better!" “My music is better!" “My country is better!" “My race is better!" “My god is better!"

Fuck, sometimes I just hate people.

just made yourself look hypocritical.

oh hai wrote: Like I said “A man who has a million dollars, a great social life and is happy.. will be happier if he is stronger." There is nothing to be debated about, that is the factual reality.

True, but the majority of people don’t want to look like a huge slab of muscle. Most would rather have a Superman type of strength than a Hulk type of strength.

oh hai wrote: We are superior apes.. we have evolved faster then any single organism on this planet. That is why humans run this world, not gorilla’s or chimpanzees.

Evolution is not a ladder to greatness, simply changes that adapt things to their specific environment. That is why you cannot call any organism “superior” to anything else, because it is a subjective quality and all living organisms have different qualities in which they excel.

Humans can develop complex technology and are more intelligent than chimpanzees or gorillas, so they are superior in that sense, but so what? You can assign any quality as evidence as superiority and it will have to objective basis as overall supremacy. If you assume physical strength = superiority, then gorillas are 'superior' to humans. If you assume reproduction = superiority then bacteria are 'superior' to humans. If you assume the ability to regenrate limbs = superiority then starfish are 'superior' to humans. The only reason you think homo sapiens are superior to other organisms is because of your subjective values. This is what I am trying to get at.

oh hai wrote: Yes, Physical Strength is the most important thing in life. Strength is EVERYTHING you do, everything you lift, how you move, how you type on the computer.. it is the movement of your muscles.

Another subjective assumption because you are assuming life is important on an objective level, and thus what need in life is important. It’s not, it’s meaningless objectively. It’s just here, like everything else. You cannot physically scan an object with a machine and measure how important it is... these values are in your head.

With that logic, I could assume intelligence is the most important thing in human life, because the brain controls everything we do and all the movements of our skeletal muscles (except spinal reflexes, but those aren’t conscious). But you know what? That assumption wouldn’t be valid either because life is objectively meaningless.

oh hai wrote: Like I said “A man who has a million dollars, a great social life and is happy.. will be happier if he is stronger." There is nothing to be debated about, that is the factual reality.

Actually, I’m sure there would be at least 100 people around the world who wouldn’t be happier at getting stroner, for whatever reason. But even so, the fact that getting stronger often makes people happier doesn’t make it any more important than anything else that can also make you happier. In fact, you cannot even say happiness is important because the universe doesn’t give a shit about your quality of life, or anything else for that matter. Why can’t you understand this? No matter what youachieve, in the end, it’s worth is based on your values. Even if everyone in the world agreed with you, it would not make it physical concrete reality.

oh hai wrote: No. Those are event’s, those are not attributions that are generalized as an event or experience. Physical Strength is a principal that characterizes how you move and display yourself. It is like comparing being able to see with being able to play guitar

They are achievements nonetheless, besides, improving grades as an event can be generalized as an improvement in intelligence in a particular field. So can a pay rise be generalized as improved social skills or work ethic. Sure, they could be due to other factors, but so could your bench press going up. In any case, I could use other examples to prove my point such as an increase in IQ and you cannot place them as more important that physical improvement or anything else.

oh hai wrote: Having Rational Thought is one of the perks we picked up on when we evolved into what we are. But even though we classify ourselves as a superior animal.. we still have the survival genes in beaded inside us. We naturally judge a different organism on there ability to survive, produce more organisms and fend for themselves. We each have different preferences on what we want such as a woman may want a man who is strong (protect her and the family), Charismatic (Being able to communicate efficiently) and Healthy (life expectancy and healthy children) just as much as a woman may want a Skinny male with a great smile.

It is not possible to be able to look so vaguely at a person and look at someone totally different and be able to produce the same reaction and expression. If someone says they look at everyone the exact same.. they are a lier.

I understand we are all judgemental of others deep down in some way, but that doesn’t mean people have to take it to the extreme and be an asshole if they think they’re superior, which in the end they aren’t anyway. It’s good to know the truth about actual reality, even if your behaviour is in line with your principles.

oh hai wrote: You just showed that you judge people the same as any other would.

oh hai wrote: just made yourself look hypocritical.

How so? The fact that I find other people’s behaviour annoying does not contradict my belief that I think nobody is overall superior to anybody else. Things that I personally like or dislike are completely seperate from a sense of actual superiority.