Korver is a decent outside shooter but no way he even comes close to beating Larry Legend.
He would drop 3’s in his face all day
lol dam you really underestimate Birds skills, Larry was a dominant shooter, far greater than Korver will ever be plus Bird was on the 2nd Team All Defense 3 times, so he was a pretty good defender while Korver’s defense is average at best. Bird would destory Korver and it wouldn’t even be close.
Korver is a decent outside shooter but no way he even comes close to beating Larry Legend.
He would drop 3’s in his face all day
lol dam you really underestimate Birds skills, Larry was a dominant shooter, far greater than Korver will ever be plus Bird was on the 2nd Team All Defense 3 times, so he was a pretty good defender while Korver’s defense is average at best. Bird would destory Korver and it wouldn’t even be close.
Korver is a decent outside shooter but no way he even comes close to beating Larry Legend.
He would drop 3’s in his face all day
lol dam you really underestimate Birds skills, Larry was a dominant shooter, far greater than Korver will ever be plus Bird was on the 2nd Team All Defense 3 times, so he was a pretty good defender while Korver’s defense is average at best. Bird would destory Korver and it wouldn’t even be close.
SPEAKERZZZ wrote:
jordan. no one can get on his level.
Lebron will be better by the time he retires.
Hell..............no
HELL............................YES
Lebron is only 24 and I’m betting on him winning the Championship this year plus the MVP, Jordan was 28 before he won his first championship and if you compare the numbers are similar. Jordan scored more points but didn’t win as many games plus the rebounds and assists are also very close. By the time James is 28 he’ll be just as dominant as Jordan was in his prime if he’s not already.
Only one problem..............................
Jordan wasnt great when he first came. Guess what........Lebron IS IN HIS PRIME or very close to it.
and to say he’s better than Kobe is foolish.
Are you serious? Really I know you weren’t even born when Jordan was first playing, neither was I but are you serious? Jordan was a great player right off the bat,look at his numbers they were great he just didn’t know how to win in the clutch and spread the ball around. And as for your second point again, ARE YOU SERIOUS? Lebron is only 24 and yes he’s better than Kobe right now. Kobe is 30 years old and is just now coming into is prime, so Lebron has at alteast 3-6 more years until you see the best he has to give. When it’s all said and done Lebron will be just as dominant if not more so than Jordan was.
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How? By stating that he was a good defender? It’s fact that he played good D, while Korver’s not know for stopping anybody.
Supra wrote:
HOW!?!?!? he was a ok 3 shooter and very good 2pt shooter.
but he cant drop 3’s NON-STOP
Are you stupid or just ignorant? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say ignorant, but how do you figure he was just an OK 3 point shooter? You do know that Bird won three,three point shootouts in a row right? Korver’s never even won one did he? And what do you think that Bird is just going to leave Korver wide open and let him shoot wide open threes all game? Korver is a stop and pop shooter, he runs to his favorite spot on the court and waits for D.Williams to get him the ball on a wide open shot. Korver can’t create his own shot off of the dribble and he wouldn’t be able to stop Bird from scoring at all.
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Speaking of Lebron James, he’s sucking dick in this Houston game tonight. Too bad, I always love to watch a good performance by LeBron. But it’s only halftime. I’m sure he’ll pull his head out of his ass get to bizz.
Xtrm Liability wrote:
Speaking of Lebron James, he’s sucking dick in this Houston game tonight. Too bad, I always love to watch a good performance by LeBron. But it’s only halftime. I’m sure he’ll pull his head out of his ass get to bizz.
lol nope not today, Ron Artest is on him and Ron’s probably the only SF in the league that can match Lebron’s strength so Rockets are up by 18 going into the 4th and I don’t see the Cavs making a comeback.
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Xtrm Liability wrote:
Speaking of Lebron James, he’s sucking dick in this Houston game tonight. Too bad, I always love to watch a good performance by LeBron. But it’s only halftime. I’m sure he’ll pull his head out of his ass get to bizz.
lol nope not today, Ron Artest is on him and Ron’s probably the only SF in the league that can match Lebron’s strength so Rockets are up by 18 going into the 4th and I don’t see the Cavs making a comeback.
That’s bullshit and you know it!
LeBron just had a bad night. The Cav’s as a team were all off their game tonight. It happens to the best of 'em every once in awhile. The Cav’s played like shit and the Rockets took advantage at home, plus I thought the refs were kinda biased towards Houston. The rockets would get slaughtered by the Cavs in Cleavland on a Cav’s better day... And That’s all there is to IT!
King John wrote:
HELL............................YES
Lebron is only 24 and I’m betting on him winning the Championship this year plus the MVP, Jordan was 28 before he won his first championship and if you compare the numbers are similar. Jordan scored more points but didn’t win as many games plus the rebounds and assists are also very close. By the time James is 28 he’ll be just as dominant as Jordan was in his prime if he’s not already.
Lebron will not be better then Jordan when he retires, Jordan’s numbers are simply staggering. Lebron is AMAZING, but he’s not Jordan Amazing. Let me break it down, Jordan has a far better jump shot, he was far better an absolute monster at choosing his shots, and was a master at getting the opponent away. Lebron is better then Kobe at this without a doubt, however Jordan was the absolute greatest at this period.
Jordan also played a far better 1 vs 1 defense, again Lebron is completely underrated here, when you actually watch his games and see it over again, you’ll notice that James has an even better 1 vs 1 game then Kobe, however he’s not Jordan lvl. Jordan has arguably one the best 1 vs 1 defenses of all time.
Then you take this into consideration, Jordan had the #1 best Inside Game ever. Again, Lebron’s is beast, but not on par to Jordan’s. Another notion is that Jordan mastered the single greatest shot in NBA History, the Fadeaway, absolutely cannot be defended period no matter how good you are.
Sure, the Sky Hook with Kareem is the most dangerous, however I am declined to say it’s the greatest shot, because only big tall men with long arms can make this shot on Kareem’s lvl, and even to this day...nobody could do it like Kareem can. However the Fadeaway is universal and can be utilized by any player regardless of how big they are, reasons why I say this shot is #1.
Also, Jordan “didn’t” win as many games in his earlier career is because he was playing on an Eastern Conference that was 50X more difficult to compete against then the Eastern Conference of today.
Look at the great teams during that time on the East...Hawks, Bucks, 76er’s, Pistons, Knicks, Cavaliers, Celtics, and if you include the Bulls...the East was just simply loaded at the time. All those teams kick the crap out of eachother going to the Finals each year, it was crazy. Not to mention Jordan didn’t get the surrounding cast around him until the late 80’s with (Pippen and Grant) etc, etc.
Lebron is a great player, and is on pace to becomming an even greater player then Kobe. However he has an incredibly long way to go to reach Jordan’s lvl of game, one also has to take into consideration that the rules of today’s game has drastically changed from when Jordan played. More psychical, more bigs to come in and destroy you in the paint unlike today as well. In fact, if a Prime Jordan was playing today, he would be averaging 40+ points a game with the way the rules are set.
Even Dumar’s who had tons of experience playing Jordan on Defense stated, that with today’s rules if they were set in the 80’s and 90’s, there would have been absolutely no way to have stopped Jordan, absolutely no way.
Because even with the hand checking the ability to control the opponent with the elbows and such back then, Jordan was already impossible to stop, with all of those being called completely now, Jordan would have easily gone to the rim or had far more open shots then what we are used too now.
Lebron has to improve on ALOT of things in his gameplay in order to start chasing Jordan. As great as King James is, he is not on Jordan’s lvl.
At the end of Lebron’s career, he will be great, but I don’t believe he’ll touch his Airness. One also has to remember that comparing numbers is kind of iffy, since Lebron started when he was 19 yrs old, while Jordan came into the league when he was what...22 or 23 yrs old?
Lebron will have at least nearly 4+ more years over Jordan on this tenure already. Nobody is on the G.O.A.T.'s lvl, not Lebron, not Kobe, nobody at this moment. When Lebron’s career is over, we can make a better assessment, however even now I don’t believe he’ll get to his Airness greatness.
I didn’t get to see Jordan in his earlier career, however I started to watch Michael Jordan and the NBA heavily in 1988 onward so I have seen most of Jordan’s games besides Pre-1988.
Lastly, Supra needs to quit, Larry Legend isn’t overrated, he’s one of the greatest Shooter’s of All Time, period. Him not being a good 3-pointer is a complete and utter joke, considering he won 3 straight 3-point contest, and not only that, but even Reggie Miller, the greatest 3-pt shooter ever, said that Larry had one of the sickest ball release ever.
Anyone who says Larry Bird is overrated was simply not alive when Larry was playing, or actually took the time to do some research. Just look at the 80’s...it was basically Lakers or Celtics within the Finals.
Larry’s only heel was...the Lakers were simply TOO loaded...Cooper, Rambis, Scott, Kareem*, Big Game James*, and Magic himself...my goodness, one of the greatest assembled NBA Teams of all time.
Bird had a beastly team himself, just not on the Lakers lvl...Parish, McHale, Angie, whenever he was healthy Walton, Johnson, etc, etc.
Lol...87 Lakers is like Top 3 best NBA Team of all time, while 86 Lakers imo is like Top 5, however again, you gotta give the #1 spot the 96 Bulls...72-10...held the team in lowest scoring point, complete and utter domination, it was absolutely disgusting at how badly the bitch slapped the entire league that year. Jordan was on a retribution for his father and paving way for another 3-peat.
Xtrm Liability wrote:
Speaking of Lebron James, he’s sucking dick in this Houston game tonight. Too bad, I always love to watch a good performance by LeBron. But it’s only halftime. I’m sure he’ll pull his head out of his ass get to bizz.
lol nope not today, Ron Artest is on him and Ron’s probably the only SF in the league that can match Lebron’s strength so Rockets are up by 18 going into the 4th and I don’t see the Cavs making a comeback.
That’s bullshit and you know it!
LeBron just had a bad night. The Cav’s as a team were all off their game tonight. It happens to the best of 'em every once in awhile. The Cav’s played like shit and the Rockets took advantage at home, plus I thought the refs were kinda biased towards Houston. The rockets would get slaughtered by the Cavs in Cleavland on a Cav’s better day... And That’s all there is to IT!
lol OK we’ll see.
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King John wrote:
HELL............................YES
Lebron is only 24 and I’m betting on him winning the Championship this year plus the MVP, Jordan was 28 before he won his first championship and if you compare the numbers are similar. Jordan scored more points but didn’t win as many games plus the rebounds and assists are also very close. By the time James is 28 he’ll be just as dominant as Jordan was in his prime if he’s not already.
Lebron will not be better then Jordan when he retires, Jordan’s numbers are simply staggering. Lebron is AMAZING, but he’s not Jordan Amazing. Let me break it down, Jordan has a far better jump shot, he was far better an absolute monster at choosing his shots, and was a master at getting the opponent away. Lebron is better then Kobe at this without a doubt, however Jordan was the absolute greatest at this period.
Jordan also played a far better 1 vs 1 defense, again Lebron is completely underrated here, when you actually watch his games and see it over again, you’ll notice that James has an even better 1 vs 1 game then Kobe, however he’s not Jordan lvl. Jordan has arguably one the best 1 vs 1 defenses of all time.
Then you take this into consideration, Jordan had the #1 best Inside Game ever. Again, Lebron’s is beast, but not on par to Jordan’s. Another notion is that Jordan mastered the single greatest shot in NBA History, the Fadeaway, absolutely cannot be defended period no matter how good you are.
Sure, the Sky Hook with Kareem is the most dangerous, however I am declined to say it’s the greatest shot, because only big tall men with long arms can make this shot on Kareem’s lvl, and even to this day...nobody could do it like Kareem can. However the Fadeaway is universal and can be utilized by any player regardless of how big they are, reasons why I say this shot is #1.
Also, Jordan “didn’t” win as many games in his earlier career is because he was playing on an Eastern Conference that was 50X more difficult to compete against then the Eastern Conference of today.
Look at the great teams during that time on the East...Hawks, Bucks, 76er’s, Pistons, Knicks, Cavaliers, Celtics, and if you include the Bulls...the East was just simply loaded at the time. All those teams kick the crap out of eachother going to the Finals each year, it was crazy. Not to mention Jordan didn’t get the surrounding cast around him until the late 80’s with (Pippen and Grant) etc, etc.
Lebron is a great player, and is on pace to becomming an even greater player then Kobe. However he has an incredibly long way to go to reach Jordan’s lvl of game, one also has to take into consideration that the rules of today’s game has drastically changed from when Jordan played. More psychical, more bigs to come in and destroy you in the paint unlike today as well. In fact, if a Prime Jordan was playing today, he would be averaging 40+ points a game with the way the rules are set.
Even Dumar’s who had tons of experience playing Jordan on Defense stated, that with today’s rules if they were set in the 80’s and 90’s, there would have been absolutely no way to have stopped Jordan, absolutely no way.
Because even with the hand checking the ability to control the opponent with the elbows and such back then, Jordan was already impossible to stop, with all of those being called completely now, Jordan would have easily gone to the rim or had far more open shots then what we are used too now.
Lebron has to improve on ALOT of things in his gameplay in order to start chasing Jordan. As great as King James is, he is not on Jordan’s lvl.
At the end of Lebron’s career, he will be great, but I don’t believe he’ll touch his Airness. One also has to remember that comparing numbers is kind of iffy, since Lebron started when he was 19 yrs old, while Jordan came into the league when he was what...22 or 23 yrs old?
Lebron will have at least nearly 4+ more years over Jordan on this tenure already. Nobody is on the G.O.A.T.'s lvl, not Lebron, not Kobe, nobody at this moment. When Lebron’s career is over, we can make a better assessment, however even now I don’t believe he’ll get to his Airness greatness.
I didn’t get to see Jordan in his earlier career, however I started to watch Michael Jordan and the NBA heavily in 1988 onward so I have seen most of Jordan’s games besides Pre-1988.
Lastly, Supra needs to quit, Larry Legend isn’t overrated, he’s one of the greatest Shooter’s of All Time, period. Him not being a good 3-pointer is a complete and utter joke, considering he won 3 straight 3-point contest, and not only that, but even Reggie Miller, the greatest 3-pt shooter ever, said that Larry had one of the sickest ball release ever.
Anyone who says Larry Bird is overrated was simply not alive when Larry was playing, or actually took the time to do some research. Just look at the 80’s...it was basically Lakers or Celtics within the Finals.
Larry’s only heel was...the Lakers were simply TOO loaded...Cooper, Rambis, Scott, Kareem*, Big Game James*, and Magic himself...my goodness, one of the greatest assembled NBA Teams of all time.
Bird had a beastly team himself, just not on the Lakers lvl...Parish, McHale, Angie, whenever he was healthy Walton, Johnson, etc, etc.
Lol...87 Lakers is like Top 3 best NBA Team of all time, while 86 Lakers imo is like Top 5, however again, you gotta give the #1 spot the 96 Bulls...72-10...held the team in lowest scoring point, complete and utter domination, it was absolutely disgusting at how badly the bitch slapped the entire league that year. Jordan was on a retribution for his father and paving way for another 3-peat.
You can’t compare Jordan in his prime to Lebron right now, you’re saying that Jordan was the best this the best that, but IMO if you compare 24 year old Lebron t 24 year old Jordan, I’d take Lebron. Lebron is a man playing against boys right now, he’s bigger stronger faster than any player in the league right now by a substantial amount. Lebron at this point in his career is a better rebounder than Jordan and I don’t know where you got Jordan being THE best defender ever. Come on he was good bordering on great but not the best 1on1 defender ever. Also best inside game? You mean in the paint? If so once again you greatly exaggerate Jordans skills, saying he was great at something is one thing saying BEST EVER at is another. Lebron is already a great defender not only 1 on 1 but in help defense. Jordan isn’t as good as Lebron in coming over to the play weak side defense and throw someone’s shot into the raptors. Plus one thing that Lebron has that Jordan never did was brute strength. Jordan was 215 soaking wet, Lebron is pushing 260-265 right now with under 5% body fat.Lebron can simply overpower people which is one tangible that Jordan never had in his game. In the upcoming years Lebron will only improve, mainly in his shooting % , man defense, and just over all play making ability. You said that Jordan didn’t win as much because he hadn’t had Pippen yet, but who does Lebron have that is even relatively close to Pippen’s level? Mo Williams? Mo’s good but not even close to Pippen’s level. If Lebron ever get’s a top 50 player of all time to play along side of him then you can count on him winning at least 6 rings as well.
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Xtrm Liability wrote:
Speaking of Lebron James, he’s sucking dick in this Houston game tonight. Too bad, I always love to watch a good performance by LeBron. But it’s only halftime. I’m sure he’ll pull his head out of his ass get to bizz.
lol nope not today, Ron Artest is on him and Ron’s probably the only SF in the league that can match Lebron’s strength so Rockets are up by 18 going into the 4th and I don’t see the Cavs making a comeback.
That’s bullshit and you know it!
LeBron just had a bad night. The Cav’s as a team were all off their game tonight. It happens to the best of 'em every once in awhile. The Cav’s played like shit and the Rockets took advantage at home, plus I thought the refs were kinda biased towards Houston. The rockets would get slaughtered by the Cavs in Cleavland on a Cav’s better day... And That’s all there is to IT!
King John wrote:
You can’t compare Jordan in his prime to Lebron right now, you’re saying that Jordan was the best this the best that, but IMO if you compare 24 year old Lebron t 24 year old Jordan, I’d take Lebron. Lebron is a man playing against boys right now, he’s bigger stronger faster than any player in the league right now by a substantial amount. Lebron at this point in his career is a better rebounder than Jordan and I don’t know where you got Jordan being THE best defender ever. Come on he was good bordering on great but not the best 1on1 defender ever. Also best inside game? You mean in the paint? If so once again you greatly exaggerate Jordans skills, saying he was great at something is one thing saying BEST EVER at is another. Lebron is already a great defender not only 1 on 1 but in help defense. Jordan isn’t as good as Lebron in coming over to the play weak side defense and throw someone’s shot into the raptors. Plus one thing that Lebron has that Jordan never did was brute strength. Jordan was 215 soaking wet, Lebron is pushing 260-265 right now with under 5% body fat.Lebron can simply overpower people which is one tangible that Jordan never had in his game. In the upcoming years Lebron will only improve, mainly in his shooting % , man defense, and just over all play making ability. You said that Jordan didn’t win as much because he hadn’t had Pippen yet, but who does Lebron have that is even relatively close to Pippen’s level? Mo Williams? Mo’s good but not even close to Pippen’s level. If Lebron ever get’s a top 50 player of all time to play along side of him then you can count on him winning at least 6 rings as well.
The whole bigger and better thing simply needs to stop period. Firstly, Lebron uses more power in his game then Michael Jordan did, Jordan was finesse, while Lebron uses power. Much in the same case of someone like Karl Malone in his prime.
Lebron also has the luxury of playing on a super weak Eastern Conference for nearly the first years of his career. Look at the Eastern Conference today even, how many great teams are on that side in comparison to the East of the 80’s.
Also Jordan not being regarded as one of the BEST 1 on 1 defenders of all time? I didn’t say he was the BEST, I said he is one of THE Best. Scottie Pippen is only one of the few that I could say he could guard better then Jordan, because he was bigger, stronger, and had ridiculously long arms to cover space and gaps between him.
Jordan even won 1 Defensive Player of the year award (1989), that’s only nearly 7 years into his career, Lebron is already within 7 years into the league, so don’t give me this talk that Jordan wasn’t capable of 1 on 1, when he is regarded by nearly all of his peer’s as having one of the best 1 on 1 games ever.
On the note of the jump shot’s, Jordan’s only year in which he didn’t have a very great jump shot was during his rookie seaon. However going beyond that, his jump almost became near perfect, because this was what he worked on the most during this timeframe out of his rookie season. By the late 80’s his jump shot was nearly perfect, and when he reached his 90’s, his jump shot became just that...Perfect.
The excuse on Jordan having Pippen and Lebron not having anybody is absolutely ridiculous. Firstly, MJ didn’t get Scottie Pippen until what...1987, and Scottie did not blossom until 1990-91.
I don’t know how in the world you underrate Mo Williams, he plays one of the most crucial positions in basketball. The PG, and Mo is a beast at not just scoring, but distributing the ball to the Cavaliers, something that they desperately needed, and Williams brought to the table.
There is absolutely no way in the world there record is what it is currently without Mo at the PG position. Not only that, but Mo is already blossomed as a player, he already blossomed in Milwaukee, it’s just too bad that Milwaukee didn’t have the huge IT guy to go too.
Also, Michael Jordan not the best ever within the paint? Please tell me...who had the best inside game and more so then Jordan? Please for the love do not say Wilt either, otherwise I’ll lol. You’d better have a good inside game if you were the only super big 7+ foot guy playing at the time, not to mention the rules back then were no where near as restrictive as today in standards.
So again...please “enlighten” on me who would have a better inside game then MJ...again, please. Even analyst today say MJ, and BB Purist today say>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everyone else, yes, including Lebron.
Lebron has yet to prove to me that he can overcome a strafing defense. Didn’t you see him during the Spur’s Finals, or for that matter, against any team that just goes “Lebron is the ONLY guy who can kill us." Mentality.
Lebron does very poorly in all of these games, the Houston game is just one such example. This never, ever happened to Jordan, EVER. In games in which the entire defense would try to pound Jordan, was usually when he was at his absolute greatest. 86 Boston his second year was one such example, during the biggest games, that’s when Jordan was at his absolute Greatest.
He dropped 42 or 45 points during the Celtics first game, and Walton even said that this would never happen again...however just the next Game of that series, Jordan dropped 63 on one of the greatest NBA Teams ever.
Lebron has better rebounding, yes, that’s true...however Jordan has a better shooting %, steals per game, 3pt %, etc, etc, all of which matter more to his position. The whole notion that Lebron “can” improve on these is true, however he will have to up it up drastically to catch the G.O.A.T.
You don’t believe Jordan already had a better jump shot at the sage as Lebron in comparison. Go back and watch the videos again, in fact, go back and watch the defenses that were being played back in the 80’s, and the TEAM’s then and come back and say so otherwise.
Jordan dealt with greater threats and more physicality and he was still averaging over 30+ points a game, in fact, the late 80’s was probably when Jordan was at his greatest from a statistical standpoint.
If you don’t agree that Lebron deals with less in comparison to Jordan in his era...then you do not simply know the change of Basketball and it’s rules...these videos are the single GREATEST interpretation of the era’s and the changes...
Jordan vs Real Defenses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5auPSMaD3vE
Jordan vs Piston’s “Jordan Rule’s” Defense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE
Jordan vs 90’s Defenses (In comparison to Today’s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxBhQKtG2Zo
Jordan Era Defense vs Lebron Era Defenses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du-C-TvHqzA&feature=channel_page
Lebron has been in the league longer then Jordan up to this point. Yes, he’s “not” at his prime, however he’s basically already near it, and even at his age, his jump shooting, fades, etc, etc, a.k.a. fundamentals are great, but they pale compared to Jordan’s.
King James is a PHENOMENAL player, however do not even put him on Jordan’s pedestal. It’s not even close.
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