King John wrote:
You can’t compare Jordan in his prime to Lebron right now, you’re saying that Jordan was the best this the best that, but IMO if you compare 24 year old Lebron t 24 year old Jordan, I’d take Lebron. Lebron is a man playing against boys right now, he’s bigger stronger faster than any player in the league right now by a substantial amount. Lebron at this point in his career is a better rebounder than Jordan and I don’t know where you got Jordan being THE best defender ever. Come on he was good bordering on great but not the best 1on1 defender ever. Also best inside game? You mean in the paint? If so once again you greatly exaggerate Jordans skills, saying he was great at something is one thing saying BEST EVER at is another. Lebron is already a great defender not only 1 on 1 but in help defense. Jordan isn’t as good as Lebron in coming over to the play weak side defense and throw someone’s shot into the raptors. Plus one thing that Lebron has that Jordan never did was brute strength. Jordan was 215 soaking wet, Lebron is pushing 260-265 right now with under 5% body fat.Lebron can simply overpower people which is one tangible that Jordan never had in his game. In the upcoming years Lebron will only improve, mainly in his shooting % , man defense, and just over all play making ability. You said that Jordan didn’t win as much because he hadn’t had Pippen yet, but who does Lebron have that is even relatively close to Pippen’s level? Mo Williams? Mo’s good but not even close to Pippen’s level. If Lebron ever get’s a top 50 player of all time to play along side of him then you can count on him winning at least 6 rings as well.
The whole bigger and better thing simply needs to stop period. Firstly, Lebron uses more power in his game then Michael Jordan did, Jordan was finesse, while Lebron uses power. Much in the same case of someone like Karl Malone in his prime.
Lebron also has the luxury of playing on a super weak Eastern Conference for nearly the first years of his career. Look at the Eastern Conference today even, how many great teams are on that side in comparison to the East of the 80’s.
Also Jordan not being regarded as one of the BEST 1 on 1 defenders of all time? I didn’t say he was the BEST, I said he is one of THE Best. Scottie Pippen is only one of the few that I could say he could guard better then Jordan, because he was bigger, stronger, and had ridiculously long arms to cover space and gaps between him.
Jordan even won 1 Defensive Player of the year award (1989), that’s only nearly 7 years into his career, Lebron is already within 7 years into the league, so don’t give me this talk that Jordan wasn’t capable of 1 on 1, when he is regarded by nearly all of his peer’s as having one of the best 1 on 1 games ever.
On the note of the jump shot’s, Jordan’s only year in which he didn’t have a very great jump shot was during his rookie seaon. However going beyond that, his jump almost became near perfect, because this was what he worked on the most during this timeframe out of his rookie season. By the late 80’s his jump shot was nearly perfect, and when he reached his 90’s, his jump shot became just that...Perfect.
The excuse on Jordan having Pippen and Lebron not having anybody is absolutely ridiculous. Firstly, MJ didn’t get Scottie Pippen until what...1987, and Scottie did not blossom until 1990-91.
I don’t know how in the world you underrate Mo Williams, he plays one of the most crucial positions in basketball. The PG, and Mo is a beast at not just scoring, but distributing the ball to the Cavaliers, something that they desperately needed, and Williams brought to the table.
There is absolutely no way in the world there record is what it is currently without Mo at the PG position. Not only that, but Mo is already blossomed as a player, he already blossomed in Milwaukee, it’s just too bad that Milwaukee didn’t have the huge IT guy to go too.
Also, Michael Jordan not the best ever within the paint? Please tell me...who had the best inside game and more so then Jordan? Please for the love do not say Wilt either, otherwise I’ll lol. You’d better have a good inside game if you were the only super big 7+ foot guy playing at the time, not to mention the rules back then were no where near as restrictive as today in standards.
So again...please “enlighten” on me who would have a better inside game then MJ...again, please. Even analyst today say MJ, and BB Purist today say>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everyone else, yes, including Lebron.
Lebron has yet to prove to me that he can overcome a strafing defense. Didn’t you see him during the Spur’s Finals, or for that matter, against any team that just goes “Lebron is the ONLY guy who can kill us." Mentality.
Lebron does very poorly in all of these games, the Houston game is just one such example. This never, ever happened to Jordan, EVER. In games in which the entire defense would try to pound Jordan, was usually when he was at his absolute greatest. 86 Boston his second year was one such example, during the biggest games, that’s when Jordan was at his absolute Greatest.
He dropped 42 or 45 points during the Celtics first game, and Walton even said that this would never happen again...however just the next Game of that series, Jordan dropped 63 on one of the greatest NBA Teams ever.
Lebron has better rebounding, yes, that’s true...however Jordan has a better shooting %, steals per game, 3pt %, etc, etc, all of which matter more to his position. The whole notion that Lebron “can” improve on these is true, however he will have to up it up drastically to catch the G.O.A.T.
You don’t believe Jordan already had a better jump shot at the sage as Lebron in comparison. Go back and watch the videos again, in fact, go back and watch the defenses that were being played back in the 80’s, and the TEAM’s then and come back and say so otherwise.
Jordan dealt with greater threats and more physicality and he was still averaging over 30+ points a game, in fact, the late 80’s was probably when Jordan was at his greatest from a statistical standpoint.
If you don’t agree that Lebron deals with less in comparison to Jordan in his era...then you do not simply know the change of Basketball and it’s rules...these videos are the single GREATEST interpretation of the era’s and the changes...
Jordan vs Real Defenses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5auPSMaD3vE
Jordan vs Piston’s “Jordan Rule’s” Defense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE
Jordan vs 90’s Defenses (In comparison to Today’s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxBhQKtG2Zo
Jordan Era Defense vs Lebron Era Defenses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du-C-TvHqzA&feature=channel_page
Lebron has been in the league longer then Jordan up to this point. Yes, he’s “not” at his prime, however he’s basically already near it, and even at his age, his jump shooting, fades, etc, etc, a.k.a. fundamentals are great, but they pale compared to Jordan’s.
King James is a PHENOMENAL player, however do not even put him on Jordan’s pedestal. It’s not even close.
How can you say the East was great in Jordan’s first few years when Jordan’s first three years they made the playoffs with a winning% under .500? I mean really when you can win only 30 games and still make the playoffs then they’re no way you can say that conference was great. I know Jordan was a good defender I said that I’m just saying he wasn’t the BEST. Ok you said Pippen didn’t blossom until 1990 and what year did the Bulls win they’re first NBA Championship? Yeah that year so there’s a direct correlation to Pippen becoming great and the Bulls winning the Championship. I’m not underrating Mo Williams at all I know he’s helped the Cavs out tremendously but you can’t compare him to a Scottie Pippen,if Lebron had let’s say D-Wade or Kevin Durant that would be a much better comparison than having Mo Will on the same team. Pippen was a superstar in his own right, while Mo Will is a good PG he’s not an elite player. And do you seriously think that Jordan was the best POST player ever? Jordan was a great finisher but as far as being a back to the basket post player he’s far from the best let’s see off the top of my head a list of better post players are : Shaq, Kareem,Hakeem ,Malone, McHale,Ewing, Robinson, and IMO THE best low post player Tim Duncan. How old was Lebron when he played in the Finals against the Spurs? 21? 22? Jordan barely made the playoffs at that age. I know Jordan was a better shooter than Lebron is now, but Lebron is a better finisher(yes he is) better shot blocker, better rebounder, and slightly better passer at this age. Oh, and really Jordan’s never had a bad game? You do know that his career low with the Bulls was 8 points right? That doesn’t sound like a good game to me. Jordan might have faced stiffer defense but the physical style of play the let’s say the Pistons played on him in the conference final wouldn’t work on Lebron since Lebron is so much stronger than Jordan that physical play is pretty much useless against him. As far as Lebron being in his prime, NO he’s not even close to it yet 4-5 years he’ll barely be starting to get into his prime. Look at how much Kobe has progressed since he was 24, Kobe is a substantially better player now than he was at that age, so what leads you to believe Lebron wouldn’t be able to progress like that? I know Jordan was a great player and it’s hard to comprehend to any player ever being better than him, but IMO if Lebron keeps progressing at the rate he’s going he WILL surpass Jordan as the best ever.
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lol, that play on Russel was a HUGE push off though, but of course they’re not going to call that on Jordan’s final play.
Actually if you look at it from another angle, it’s not a push off. It’s more like an off balance mistakes where his hand kind of slightly pushed against but not enough to throw another man off balance. Physics tells my brain that.
Either way, back then, that’s how NBA was; Refs let shit go and there was no crying about how, “I should have gotten that foul so you owe me one next time, ref, boowwaaaaa” fuckin shit NBA nowadays.
Korver is a decent outside shooter but no way he even comes close to beating Larry Legend.
He would drop 3’s in his face all day
lol dam you really underestimate Birds skills, Larry was a dominant shooter, far greater than Korver will ever be plus Bird was on the 2nd Team All Defense 3 times, so he was a pretty good defender while Korver’s defense is average at best. Bird would destory Korver and it wouldn’t even be close.
lol omg you pipe him up so much
I agree, Bird would own Korver.
HOW!?!?!?
he was a ok 3 shooter and very good 2pt shooter.
but he cant drop 3’s NON-STOP
Trust me, dude. Bird is an NBA legend. Korver is a BENCH player for the Utah Jazz. Shit, Mehmet Okur for Utah Jazz hits more 3’s consistently than Kover does. Okur is currently #3 in the league for 3 pointers. The thing about Kover is he’s not consistent in every game. I’ve seen Kover go 0 for 12 in a lot of games, but he can get hot when he’s having a good game (which doesn’t happen as often as it should). That’s why Korver is a bench player. Comparing Korver to Bird is just silliness.
How? By stating that he was a good defender? It’s fact that he played good D, while Korver’s not know for stopping anybody.
Supra wrote:
HOW!?!?!?
he was a ok 3 shooter and very good 2pt shooter.
but he cant drop 3’s NON-STOP
Are you stupid or just ignorant? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say ignorant, but how do you figure he was just an OK 3 point shooter? You do know that Bird won three,three point shootouts in a row right? Korver’s never even won one did he? And what do you think that Bird is just going to leave Korver wide open and let him shoot wide open threes all game? Korver is a stop and pop shooter, he runs to his favorite spot on the court and waits for D.Williams to get him the ball on a wide open shot. Korver can’t create his own shot off of the dribble and he wouldn’t be able to stop Bird from scoring at all.
King John wrote:
How can you say the East was great in Jordan’s first few years when Jordan’s first three years they made the playoffs with a winning% under .500? I mean really when you can win only 30 games and still make the playoffs then they’re no way you can say that conference was great.
Are you kidding me, that conference in comparison to the Eastern Conference of today is not even close. Tell me “great” teams from the Eastern Conference that isn’t Cleveland and Celtics? Mind you, that during the Eastern Conference of the 80’s, ALL of the teams I mentioned were Playoff Contenders, while three of them were NBA Finals contenders (Pistons, 76ers, and Cetlics). If you included the Bulls that would be 4 different teams from that era which went to the NBA Finals on the Eastern Conference, so yes, it’s not even comparable today.
Look at the teams Lebron had to go through when he went to his first NBA Finals on the Eastern Conference. Then compare that to Jordan. I give that Jordan getting to the playoffs with 38 wins is pushing it, however he was a one man team during that time, and they were usually the last seeds in those first years.
King John wrote:
I know Jordan was a good defender I said that I’m just saying he wasn’t the BEST.
I never said he was the best, I said he was one of the Best. In comparison to Lebron, he is a MUCH BETTER 1 on 1 defender which is another reason why Jordan is BETTER. Him winning 1 DPYA, and look at how many times he made into the 1st NBA Defensive Team.
King John wrote:
Ok you said Pippen didn’t blossom until 1990 and what year did the Bulls win they’re first NBA Championship? Yeah that year so there’s a direct correlation to Pippen becoming great and the Bulls winning the Championship.
Pippen didn’t blossom start blossoming until 1990, however mentally he wasn’t as good until 91. Maybe you don’t remember, but he had a migraine during the Piston-Bulls playoffs of 1990, and had to sit out, which was a BIG reason why the Bulls lost in their 7-game battle with Detroit.
King John wrote:
I’m not underrating Mo Williams at all I know he’s helped the Cavs out tremendously but you can’t compare him to a Scottie Pippen,if Lebron had let’s say D-Wade or Kevin Durant that would be a much better comparison than having Mo Will on the same team. Pippen was a superstar in his own right, while Mo Will is a good PG he’s not an elite player. And do you seriously think that Jordan was the best POST player ever? Jordan was a great finisher but as far as being a back to the basket post player he’s far from the best let’s see off the top of my head a list of better post players are : Shaq, Kareem,Hakeem ,Malone, McHale,Ewing, Robinson, and IMO THE best low post player Tim Duncan.
You are severely underrating Mo again, sure he may not be as “athletically” talented as Pippen was. However Mo is a GREAT shooter, and most importantly he’s a great passer and distributer of the ball, something that Cleveland LACKED Pre-Mo Williams. Not to mention Mo has the speed to cut through defenders, which was another big threat.
Again, stop the garbage talk here, Lebron HAS players to help him, that’s why they are #1 in the East at this point.
King John wrote:
Jordan was a great finisher but as far as being a back to the basket post player he’s far from the best let’s see off the top of my head a list of better post players are : Shaq, Kareem,Hakeem ,Malone, McHale,Ewing, Robinson, and IMO THE best low post player Tim Duncan.
You mis-read what I said...when I said Inside Game, everyone should know that it means ATTACKING THE RIM. The Big’s are meant to be inside all day, however would they be able to dribble and attack the rim as well as what Jordan could do? NO, period.
Your confusing the two, Centers dominate by staying inside, Jordan had the best inside game because he could cut, split, confuse defenders and get inside. Nobody to this day matches Jordan in his Inside Game, NOBODY.
King John wrote:
How old was Lebron when he played in the Finals against the Spurs? 21? 22? Jordan barely made the playoffs at that age. I know Jordan was a better shooter than Lebron is now, but Lebron is a better finisher(yes he is) better shot blocker, better rebounder, and slightly better passer at this age.
Jordan didn’t come into the league until he was 22 yrs old, and your going to hold age against him? ROFL. Lebron came into the league when he was 18...18! Lebron’s been in the league for 7 years already, and I am seriously laughing at Lebron being stated as a better finisher.
Are you kidding me...LOOK at the %'s of their statistics up to 7 yrs....it’s JORDAN>>>>>>LEBRON.
You can’t compare the age at which they where playing because Lebron started earlier then Jordan, while Jordan wasn’t in the league until he was 22
King John wrote:
Oh, and really Jordan’s never had a bad game? You do know that his career low with the Bulls was 8 points right? That doesn’t sound like a good game to me. Jordan might have faced stiffer defense but the physical style of play the let’s say the Pistons played on him in the conference final wouldn’t work on Lebron since Lebron is so much stronger than Jordan that physical play is pretty much useless against him.
You’ve got to be kidding me, first and foremost...we have SEEN this happen before. When defenses have stiffen up against Lebron, he can’t do as well as he normally would be. Yes, he is a “strong” player, however that doesn’t mean he can “overpower” his way against the Pistons of that Era.
You may have forgotten or were simply too young to remember, however the Pistons where EXCELLENT in systematically getting you into foul trouble with their psychical play. Lebron, “looks” like he can get in so easily is because lanes are more wide open in today’s era...this is why you see guys like Genobili or Parker getting inside ALL the time. It’s not even comparable, not to mention, Lebron can’t handle the ball as well as Jordan can as well.
King John wrote:
As far as Lebron being in his prime, NO he’s not even close to it yet 4-5 years he’ll barely be starting to get into his prime. Look at how much Kobe has progressed since he was 24, Kobe is a substantially better player now than he was at that age, so what leads you to believe Lebron wouldn’t be able to progress like that? I know Jordan was a great player and it’s hard to comprehend to any player ever being better than him, but IMO if Lebron keeps progressing at the rate he’s going he WILL surpass Jordan as the best ever.
That’s A BIG “IF”, your in your prime within your late 20’s, and until maybe 31. However, you do the math, why don’t actually go and read up the stats up for 7 yrs and compare them, compare the league of the defenses of today to the defense of now.
Compare the Eastern Conference Teams of today to Jordan’s first 7 years. You can’t argue what has been seen, Jordan played in a far tougher era, and yet he still averaged over 30+ ppg. Guys Dumars who defended against Jordan said that if he was playing in today’s league, he would easily average 40+ ppg’s, because with the rules the way they are in which handchecking is no longer allowed, you CANNOT stop Jordan.
However, you haven’t refuted anything that I said, and continue to waive the real notion at hand.
Within the first 7 yrs Jordan was in the league in comparison to Lebron. His % was better, his footwork was better, his choice of picking shots were better, his defense was better, his ball handeling and fundamentals where better. So really, how can Lebron “be” better, if his first 7 yrs weren’t even as sound as Jordan’s, even though Lebron’s first 7 yrs were amazing.
LOOK it up, however, I’ll be waiting for probably another senseless post once more, the fact is, you can’t refute that Jordan played better overall then Lebron. Even if you watch the videos that I showed you, you will have noticed that HUGE DIFFERENCES between Young Jordan’s play to King James. However, I feel like I’m simply talking to a wall at times.
Are you kidding me, that conference in comparison to the Eastern Conference of today is not even close. Tell me “great” teams from the Eastern Conference that isn’t Cleveland and Celtics? Mind you, that during the Eastern Conference of the 80’s, ALL of the teams I mentioned were Playoff Contenders, while three of them were NBA Finals contenders (Pistons, 76ers, and Cetlics). If you included the Bulls that would be 4 different teams from that era which went to the NBA Finals on the Eastern Conference, so yes, it’s not even comparable today.
Look at the teams Lebron had to go through when he went to his first NBA Finals on the Eastern Conference. Then compare that to Jordan. I give that Jordan getting to the playoffs with 38 wins is pushing it, however he was a one man team during that time, and they were usually the last seeds in those first years.
I never said he was the best, I said he was one of the Best. In comparison to Lebron, he is a MUCH BETTER 1 on 1 defender which is another reason why Jordan is BETTER. Him winning 1 DPYA, and look at how many times he made into the 1st NBA Defensive Team.
King John wrote:
Ok you said Pippen didn’t blossom until 1990 and what year did the Bulls win they’re first NBA Championship? Yeah that year so there’s a direct correlation to Pippen becoming great and the Bulls winning the Championship.
Pippen didn’t blossom start blossoming until 1990, however mentally he wasn’t as good until 91. Maybe you don’t remember, but he had a migraine during the Piston-Bulls playoffs of 1990, and had to sit out, which was a BIG reason why the Bulls lost in their 7-game battle with Detroit.
You are severely underrating Mo again, sure he may not be as “athletically” talented as Pippen was. However Mo is a GREAT shooter, and most importantly he’s a great passer and distributer of the ball, something that Cleveland LACKED Pre-Mo Williams. Not to mention Mo has the speed to cut through defenders, which was another big threat.
Again, stop the garbage talk here, Lebron HAS players to help him, that’s why they are #1 in the East at this point.
You mis-read what I said...when I said Inside Game, everyone should know that it means ATTACKING THE RIM. The Big’s are meant to be inside all day, however would they be able to dribble and attack the rim as well as what Jordan could do? NO, period.
Your confusing the two, Centers dominate by staying inside, Jordan had the best inside game because he could cut, split, confuse defenders and get inside. Nobody to this day matches Jordan in his Inside Game, NOBODY.
King John wrote:
How old was Lebron when he played in the Finals against the Spurs? 21? 22? Jordan barely made the playoffs at that age. I know Jordan was a better shooter than Lebron is now, but Lebron is a better finisher(yes he is) better shot blocker, better rebounder, and slightly better passer at this age.
Jordan didn’t come into the league until he was 22 yrs old, and your going to hold age against him? ROFL. Lebron came into the league when he was 18...18! Lebron’s been in the league for 7 years already, and I am seriously laughing at Lebron being stated as a better finisher.
Are you kidding me...LOOK at the %'s of their statistics up to 7 yrs....it’s JORDAN>>>>>>LEBRON.
You can’t compare the age at which they where playing because Lebron started earlier then Jordan, while Jordan wasn’t in the league until he was 22
You’ve got to be kidding me, first and foremost...we have SEEN this happen before. When defenses have stiffen up against Lebron, he can’t do as well as he normally would be. Yes, he is a “strong” player, however that doesn’t mean he can “overpower” his way against the Pistons of that Era.
You may have forgotten or were simply too young to remember, however the Pistons where EXCELLENT in systematically getting you into foul trouble with their psychical play. Lebron, “looks” like he can get in so easily is because lanes are more wide open in today’s era...this is why you see guys like Genobili or Parker getting inside ALL the time. It’s not even comparable, not to mention, Lebron can’t handle the ball as well as Jordan can as well.
That’s A BIG “IF”, your in your prime within your late 20’s, and until maybe 31. However, you do the math, why don’t actually go and read up the stats up for 7 yrs and compare them, compare the league of the defenses of today to the defense of now.
Compare the Eastern Conference Teams of today to Jordan’s first 7 years. You can’t argue what has been seen, Jordan played in a far tougher era, and yet he still averaged over 30+ ppg. Guys Dumars who defended against Jordan said that if he was playing in today’s league, he would easily average 40+ ppg’s, because with the rules the way they are in which handchecking is no longer allowed, you CANNOT stop Jordan.
However, you haven’t refuted anything that I said, and continue to waive the real notion at hand.
Within the first 7 yrs Jordan was in the league in comparison to Lebron. His % was better, his footwork was better, his choice of picking shots were better, his defense was better, his ball handeling and fundamentals where better. So really, how can Lebron “be” better, if his first 7 yrs weren’t even as sound as Jordan’s, even though Lebron’s first 7 yrs were amazing.
LOOK it up, however, I’ll be waiting for probably another senseless post once more, the fact is, you can’t refute that Jordan played better overall then Lebron. Even if you watch the videos that I showed you, you will have noticed that HUGE DIFFERENCES between Young Jordan’s play to King James. However, I feel like I’m simply talking to a wall at times.
lol I’m not really even going to respond to this with a long ass post like the last time, I’ll just say a quick first thing, you’re severely overrating Mo Williams, is he a good PG, yes, but is he a top 5-8 PG, no top ten maybe. To compare Williams' important to that of Pippen’s you’re also severely underrating Pippen. Once again Pippen is one of the 50 greatest players and sure fire hall of famer. If Lebron had D-Wade on his team then you could make a similar comparison. Also, if Jordan was playing today he wouldn’t of even made the play-offs his first few years with a sub .500 record. Finally Lebron has made the Finals within 5 years of being in the league Jordan didn’t do that. Instead of looking strictly at the numbers, the only number you should be looking at is winning%. Arguing won’t do anything we’ll just have to wait and see how right I am.
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SHIT_HAPPENS wrote:
Might I ask, you guys sure do know a lot of stats about basketball.. but uh, do you even know how to do a lay-up or dribble between your legs?
lol, yeah, those are probably the easiest two things to do in basketball.
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SHIT_HAPPENS wrote:
Might I ask, you guys sure do know a lot of stats about basketball.. but uh, do you even know how to do a lay-up or dribble between your legs?
lol, yeah, those are probably the easiest two things to do in basketball.
Just making sure
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King John wrote:
lol I’m not really even going to respond to this with a long ass post like the last time, I’ll just say a quick first thing, you’re severely overrating Mo Williams, is he a good PG, yes, but is he a top 5-8 PG, no top ten maybe. To compare Williams' important to that of Pippen’s you’re also severely underrating Pippen. Once again Pippen is one of the 50 greatest players and sure fire hall of famer. If Lebron had D-Wade on his team then you could make a similar comparison. Also, if Jordan was playing today he wouldn’t of even made the play-offs his first few years with a sub .500 record. Finally Lebron has made the Finals within 5 years of being in the league Jordan didn’t do that. Instead of looking strictly at the numbers, the only number you should be looking at is winning%. Arguing won’t do anything we’ll just have to wait and see how right I am.
I’m still puzzled...firstly, I’m not overrating Mo Williams, I’m giving him credit, where credit is due. Your acting as if I’m making Mo to be like Pippen, however you simply didn’t bother to read again, my statements were of Mo being the huge factor that the Cav’s needed to push them to another lvl.
Mo provides points, assist, AND better control of the ball. It’s like Stockton in a way, that he did the samething, however obviously Stockton was more beastly then Mo, however both played the crucial role.
This is why the Cav’s are good, not only that, but their bench is playing great, just look at the numbers again. Seriously, you underrate Lebron’s supporting cast.
Also, Lebron making to the Finals, again, LOOK AT THE EASTERN CONFERENCE AT THAT TIME. You still didn’t bother to do that did you? Are you still trying to say that Lebron’s East was as good as the 80’s East?
For crying out loud, Pistons, 76er’s, Celtics ALL won championships during the 80’s, and these were a few of the powerful teams Jordan had to face. Why do you think guys like Dominique said “Unfortunately the East was loaded."
On another note, you make 1 on 1 comparisons about Lebron being a better finisher, about Jordan not being a better defender...well...why would I not use stats to prove it?
Like I said, you wanted the comparisons right...Jordan’s numbers are higher then Lebrons, however one factor that I will give, Lebron was a better rebounder then Jordan. However, shooting %'s, picking shots, Jordan had a GOD first step, defensively Jordan blocked more shots and picked more pockets then Lebron did.
So put the two and two together man, seriously, King James is an AMAZING PLAYER. He is absolutely awesome to watch, however he is not compared to HIS AIRNESS, this is almost as ridiculous as those Kobe riders who believe he’s better or as good as MJ.
I’m done with this, go on your Lebron is better then Jordan statements again. It’s safe to say who knows what their talking about and who isn’t. I really don’t want to waste my time anymore, when you bring stats, championships, and the most important thing, the way they handle the ball, their choices of picking shots, and their shooting...MJ is the clear better, however we’ll let reasonable people look at it and make the conclusion.
King John wrote:
lol I’m not really even going to respond to this with a long ass post like the last time, I’ll just say a quick first thing, you’re severely overrating Mo Williams, is he a good PG, yes, but is he a top 5-8 PG, no top ten maybe. To compare Williams' important to that of Pippen’s you’re also severely underrating Pippen. Once again Pippen is one of the 50 greatest players and sure fire hall of famer. If Lebron had D-Wade on his team then you could make a similar comparison. Also, if Jordan was playing today he wouldn’t of even made the play-offs his first few years with a sub .500 record. Finally Lebron has made the Finals within 5 years of being in the league Jordan didn’t do that. Instead of looking strictly at the numbers, the only number you should be looking at is winning%. Arguing won’t do anything we’ll just have to wait and see how right I am.
I’m still puzzled...firstly, I’m not overrating Mo Williams, I’m giving him credit, where credit is due. Your acting as if I’m making Mo to be like Pippen, however you simply didn’t bother to read again, my statements were of Mo being the huge factor that the Cav’s needed to push them to another lvl.
Mo provides points, assist, AND better control of the ball. It’s like Stockton in a way, that he did the samething, however obviously Stockton was more beastly then Mo, however both played the crucial role.
This is why the Cav’s are good, not only that, but their bench is playing great, just look at the numbers again. Seriously, you underrate Lebron’s supporting cast.
Also, Lebron making to the Finals, again, LOOK AT THE EASTERN CONFERENCE AT THAT TIME. You still didn’t bother to do that did you? Are you still trying to say that Lebron’s East was as good as the 80’s East?
For crying out loud, Pistons, 76er’s, Celtics ALL won championships during the 80’s, and these were a few of the powerful teams Jordan had to face. Why do you think guys like Dominique said “Unfortunately the East was loaded."
On another note, you make 1 on 1 comparisons about Lebron being a better finisher, about Jordan not being a better defender...well...why would I not use stats to prove it?
Like I said, you wanted the comparisons right...Jordan’s numbers are higher then Lebrons, however one factor that I will give, Lebron was a better rebounder then Jordan. However, shooting %'s, picking shots, Jordan had a GOD first step, defensively Jordan blocked more shots and picked more pockets then Lebron did.
So put the two and two together man, seriously, King James is an AMAZING PLAYER. He is absolutely awesome to watch, however he is not compared to HIS AIRNESS, this is almost as ridiculous as those Kobe riders who believe he’s better or as good as MJ.
I’m done with this, go on your Lebron is better then Jordan statements again. It’s safe to say who knows what their talking about and who isn’t. I really don’t want to waste my time anymore, when you bring stats, championships, and the most important thing, the way they handle the ball, their choices of picking shots, and their shooting...MJ is the clear better, however we’ll let reasonable people look at it and make the conclusion.
But you brought NO Championships his 7 years, His stats are better because he played on a worse team, shot selection I’ll give you that, better finisher goes to Lebron. Finally I’m not saying Mo Will isn’t a key contributor to why the Cavs are #1 in the East, but I will say this if Jordan had Williams and Lebron had Pippen the number of Championships would be in Lebron’s favor.
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