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You know, i voted for Goku in this topic before, but i think I’ll have to reconsider, because of something i just realized;

Goku and all the DBZ characters use energy based attacks, and saiyan or other ability to fight, and it is well known that they are strong. But it is also well known, that fighting itslef takes extraordinary amounts of their energy, just fighting makes them tired, and every energy blast depletes their strength. While Goku has been exhausted to the point of defeat from combat before, Superman has not.

Goku’s energy attacks take energy, while Supermans can put out a continuos stream of heat vision almost effortlessly. I think that Superman may be able to outlast Goku here, but still.... I’m not sure.
grin Bam,.


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#20,862
11-26-2007 10:08 AM
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First of all let’s compare power levels...
vegeta saga:goku don’t want to fight in a town worried
to destroy it all with a weak blast(starting power level 1200)
frieza destroys one planet with a finger at 1000000 power level
well,goku reaches at super saiyan 3 form 450000000 and he can
destroy the earth only from powering up(is this telling u sth?)
And to know superman don’t fights faster than goku!!!
Last one,superman has only strength...even powerpuff girls can
beat him without his powers.goku is the finest martial art
fighter and enough clever to beat a stronger warrior.
superman is good but he surely don’t wanna fuck with GOKU!!!

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11-26-2007 01:20 PM
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11-26-2007 02:32 PM
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:
And only melting her face while DBZ fighter not just melting but destroying and pulverizing...



Actually, no it doesn’t just melt. It can cause explosions.

seed wrote:
GO2,YOU MUST HAVE TO PROOVE THAT 9000KI



Why? You don’t wanna prove that it’s 8000KI.

seed wrote: like others.



Liar! Alot of people have proven the Goku side wrong. They just don’t wanna admit it! Much like ssj6kalel who you have to explain to him about I don’t know how many times because he doesn’t wanna agree with facts. And then when I asked him a question, he avoided it three times (because the answer was pretty obvious) yet he’s gonna say I avoided his question when I’ve ALREADY answered it. Really, he’s just an ignorant DBZ fanboy who is in total denial. I’m really tired of hitting him with facts, that’s why I’m just ignoring him.

dartz wrote: First of all let’s compare power levels...
vegeta saga:goku don’t want to fight in a town worried
to destroy it all with a weak blast(starting power level 1200)
frieza destroys one planet with a finger at 1000000 power level
well,goku reaches at super saiyan 3 form 450000000 and he can
destroy the earth only from powering up(is this telling u sth?)
And to know superman don’t fights faster than goku!!!
Last one,superman has only strength...even powerpuff girls can
beat him without his powers.goku is the finest martial art
fighter and enough clever to beat a stronger warrior.
superman is good but he surely don’t wanna fuck with GOKU!!!



Here’s a quick suggestion: read a Superman or look at this:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t371890.html


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Sir SeanConnery wrote: Goku and all the DBZ characters use energy based attacks, and saiyan or other ability to fight, and it is well known that they are strong. But it is also well known, that fighting itslef takes extraordinary amounts of their energy, just fighting makes them tired, and every energy blast depletes their strength. While Goku has been exhausted to the point of defeat from combat before, Superman has not.

Yes he has... do you ever read the comics/manga? (e.g. (Doomsday, Gog, etc)And out of Goku and Vegeta, no attack will drain anything unless its Sprit Bomb or Big Bang...

Sir SeanConnery wrote: Goku’s energy attacks take energy, while Supermans can put out a continuos stream of heat vision almost effortlessly. I think that Superman may be able to outlast Goku here, but still.... I’m not sure.
grin Bam,.


What you say is not true. Superman takes effort for his poweres, while Goku’s attacks do use energy, but it heals back quickly and pratically doesn’t tire him.


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Squipple wrote: We all know who wins; Chuck Norris



Duh... he doesn’t count though


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11-26-2007 05:21 PM
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here my opinion

Goku kill Superdweeb...done :] lets live happily.

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11-26-2007 05:54 PM
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got that right

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what is with all these topics?


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11-26-2007 06:55 PM
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Go2movies wrote:

ULXR wrote:
Are you scared?



What I got to be scared of?
Me...

ULXR wrote:
They ARE straight to the point. WHy the fuck would I shorten my arguements? Just say you don’t have the guts and I leave you alone.



No they’re not. Just shorten the arguments and I’ll reply...that’s only if you got the guts to do that.


YES they are. If I launch straight into my arguement, you wouldn’t understand...

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KiraxYamato wrote: here my opinion

Goku kill Superdweeb...done :] lets live happily.



Your opinion doesn’t mean anything if you don’t know anything about Supes.

BigBlackJack wrote: got that right



Got that wrong, actually.

ULXR wrote: Me...



You’re nothing to be scared of.

ULXR wrote: YES they are. If I launch straight into my arguement, you wouldn’t understand...



Shorten them by only putting the more important things (which will be an easier way to get straight to the point) and until you do that, I ain’t gonna reply!


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Sir SeanConnery wrote: You know, i voted for Goku in this topic before, but i think I’ll have to reconsider, because of something i just realized;

Goku and all the DBZ characters use energy based attacks, and saiyan or other ability to fight, and it is well known that they are strong. But it is also well known, that fighting itslef takes extraordinary amounts of their energy, just fighting makes them tired, and every energy blast depletes their strength. While Goku has been exhausted to the point of defeat from combat before, Superman has not.

Goku’s energy attacks take energy, while Supermans can put out a continuos stream of heat vision almost effortlessly. I think that Superman may be able to outlast Goku here, but still.... I’m not sure.
grin Bam,.



Superman run out of energy even quicker when fighting someone who can out put much more power them himself.. look at gog, it only took 4 or 5 hits before superman was so weak he couldnt stand up to him any longer.

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Gplex wrote:

Sir SeanConnery wrote: You know, i voted for Goku in this topic before, but i think I’ll have to reconsider, because of something i just realized;

Goku and all the DBZ characters use energy based attacks, and saiyan or other ability to fight, and it is well known that they are strong. But it is also well known, that fighting itslef takes extraordinary amounts of their energy, just fighting makes them tired, and every energy blast depletes their strength. While Goku has been exhausted to the point of defeat from combat before, Superman has not.

Goku’s energy attacks take energy, while Supermans can put out a continuos stream of heat vision almost effortlessly. I think that Superman may be able to outlast Goku here, but still.... I’m not sure.
grin Bam,.



Superman run out of energy even quicker when fighting someone who can out put much more power them himself.. look at gog, it only took 4 or 5 hits before superman was so weak he couldnt stand up to him any longer.



Right you are, Gplex.


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Go2movies wrote: You’re nothing to be scared of.


Someone *cough* doesn’t dare reply to my post - like I said I only know TWO people on your side who would have replied and they ain’t comin' back...

Go2movies wrote: Shorten them by only putting the more important things (which will be an easier way to get straight to the point) and until you do that, I ain’t gonna reply!

You won’t freakin' UNDERSTAND!


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NightstrikerX wrote: His Base powers were limited, and fit snugly with his superman name. He could jump 1/8th of a mile in a single bound, lift heavy objects such as cars or steel beams, he could run faster than a train, and his skin couldn’t be pierced by anything less than an artillery shell.


True. This is the ORIGINAL by Schuster and Seagle...

NightstrikerX wrote: In the silver age of comics (era 1940-1980) he was significantly empowered. His strength was enhanced to the point where he could move planets, he started flying in this era, his speed became so fast he could travel faster than light, his durability was increased to the point where nothing could harm him short of magic and kyponite. His Heat and X-vision was added in this era, superbreath was also added. Along with a few attibutes such as superhearing, mental abilities, regeneration and his stamina (Being able to go forever without food, water, or rest).


Pre-crisis...

NightstrikerX wrote: By the golden age, his power was reduced slightly. Although once again by the modern age we’re looking at a bit of a power increase. He could still lift around incredible weights, and his speed was reduced so that he couldn’t come close to the speed of light. His stamina was reduced, and his superbreath was also reduced. This is the superman that is generally accepted today, as limitations and seeing a hero be beaten near death sells comics like gold.


Post-crisis.

NightstrikerX wrote: Now for goku.


Yeh.

NightstrikerX wrote: Goku is an saiyan from the planet vegeta, and entire race of warriors born for battle. With superhuman stamina, strength, and a natural sense and mantipulation for Ki power.


Yes.

NightstrikerX wrote: Goku is also superstrong and fast (Shown lifting a car by the age of 12). He is shown lifting massive amounts of weights in normal form, and having greater ease lifting those weights and more while transforming.


Agreed.

NightstrikerX wrote: His powers mostly revolve around his Ki control.


Oh HELL yeah.

NightstrikerX wrote: Kai&#333;-Ken (Fist of the Worlds, King Kai Fist) - Empowers goku and envelopes him in an red aura, goku’s strength, speed, senses, almost every ability goku has increases. Goku is shown using up to 50x this form. He later stops using it after obtaining supersaiyan.


True, true.

NightstrikerX wrote: Super Kai&#333;-Ken - Shown during an anime filler, not considered canon. Same benefits as the original Kai&#333;-Ken but strengthens the Super Saiyan form.


Beastly form against Pikkon.

NightstrikerX wrote: Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb) - Goku absorbs the energy of every living thing in a certain radius, depending on how much energy and time he has to put into the attack, he is first shown using it to absorb the energy of a planet, then eventaully the energy of the entire universe. The spirit bomb can easily annihilate the planet he is on if he is not careful.


This mofo is crazy! Comes in variation of Normal, Super and Universal.

NightstrikerX wrote: Bukujutsu (Flight) - Goku’s ability to fly.


So can Supes o_0

NightstrikerX wrote: Fusion Dance - Goku’s Fusion Dance, he can use this with a partner of similar stance and power to fuse into a stronger warrior. Since this is goku vs superman. I won’t get into fusions.


Good idea.

NightstrikerX wrote: Shunkan Idô (Instantaneous Movement, Instant Transmission) - Goku’s ability to teleport, do not get this confused with his speed. Goku can teleport to ANY location in the universe, including the afterworld. Providing he can sense a power level in that general area.


Si senor.

NightstrikerX wrote: Taiyoken (Fist of the Sun, Solar Flare) - Goku places both hands on his face while standing between the sun and his enemy, this supercharges the sun’s light to make a blinding attack. Does no damage but very good for disorienting.


Cough...cough...Supes...cough...cough

NightstrikerX wrote: Zanzôken (Shadow Fist, Afterimage) - This technique is a short burst of extremely high speed, moving faster than the opponent can sense. This has the side effect of leaving a momentary “after image”, until the opponent’s senses adapt and realize their target has moved.


Tricked many a peeps. Yup even the filthy humans like Tien and Krillen shocked

NightstrikerX wrote: Ryu Ken (Dragon Fist) - A devastating attack used by Goku,while in SSJ3, against the demon Hildegarn in Dragon Ball Z movie #13. With a powerful punch, Goku pierces the body of his enemy and this attack unleashes a golden dragon which then proceeds to end him by crushing him. It was once again used in DBGT.


A 1 HIT KO.

NightstrikerX wrote: Kienzan (Destructo Disc) - The kienzan is a razor sharp disk of energy that can slice through nearly anything; its main weaknesses are that it’s generally slow to create, it lacks accuracy and it can’t be guided once it’s thrown.


It CAN be guided and Goku has no problem doing it further along his life. He instantaneously summoned one and cut off Gotenks Buu’s tentacle thingie.

NightstrikerX wrote: Energy Barrier - Goku can use his energy to create a shield that surrounds him and protects him from harm.


Never actually resorted to using this but yeah.

NightstrikerX wrote: Renzoku Kikou Dan (Rapid Fire Blasts) - Simply energy blasts fired at a rapid pace, they are fairly easy to dodge for those fast enough. But extremely deadly if you are caught in the blast.


Oh hell yeah. But speed doesn’t matter - Cell probably was a little faster than Goku and he still couldn’t dodge any so he had too -----> It’s so dangerous and Goku so powerful that in SSJ alone he forced Cell to create a force field.

NightstrikerX wrote: Kamehameha(Turtle Destructive Wave) - I could write a book on this power. But I won’t. Goku’s signature attack, it is highly adjustable and comes in a huge amount of shapes and sizes, goku uses it agaist every enemy he fights in one form or another. Can be combined with other energy attacks.


Good summary.

NightstrikerX wrote: Ok, now since thats done! Lets view some power and ability comparatives!


Why not?

NightstrikerX wrote: Fighting Styles -


Son *Goku’s main style along with Roshi’s* vs. Klurkor (Kryptonian martial art)

NightstrikerX wrote: Goku has trained in several different fighting styles over his life. He is amazing fast and uses several different types of martial arts during the course of his adventures, he is even shown being able to copy an fighting style by simply looking at it (Or at least try too, done while fighting jackie chun in one of the tenkaichi budokais).


Yes AND agile.

NightstrikerX wrote: Superman doesn’t exactly train in martial arts, he is shown a few times practicing his fighting, but no where near the intensity that goku does. Generally appearing as superman to save the world, or mildmannered clark kent. His fighting style, (Silver age) is shown at him fighting at faster than light speed, and (Golden/Modern/Origin) him generally fighting at a slow pace using his strength and weight.


=P

NightstrikerX wrote: In my opinion, due to the fact that goku is an extremist in this fact and seems to refuse to get a job. I will have to give this one to goku, his training is intense and he lives for little else but to fight those stronger than him.



Lol to say the least.

NightstrikerX wrote: Durability -


Goku...

NightstrikerX wrote: Goku’s Durability is limited by his speed, he isn’t immortal, and things as rocks being thrown at him have been known to hurt him. He relies heavily on his speed to avoid all damage, if speed fails. He can create a barrier to block the damage using his Ki. But this is limited and is not an absolute defence.


We’re talking about DBZ Goku buddy...

NightstrikerX wrote: Superman’s Durability, as mentioned before has changed alot over his lifetime. But in modern age, he is shown being able to withstand all human methods of harm. Even nuclear blasts he can shrug off. Silver age, it is shown that nothing short of kyponite or magic can harm him.
He was however beaten to death by doomsday, showing that there is a limit to his durability. (Doomsday beat him with a punch during their clash)


Gog’s spear also pierced and killed him.

NightstrikerX wrote: Superman obviously wins this, but his strength comes from his resistance of damage. Since he can simply shrug off all the damage he recieves. Goku is evasion based. If he fails to evade an attack, he can be harmed alot.


Umm Goku hasn’t EVER been knocked out and if his durability WAS that pathetic, then how the hell does he fight hand to hand with guys that punch WAY harder than Superman? Exactly...

NightstrikerX wrote: Regeneration -


huh WTF!

NightstrikerX wrote: Goku has slightly higher than human levels of regeneration, he doesn’t heal wounds instantly. But hospital trips are never that long. He uses senzu beans to give him a complete restore to his health.


Dude, Vegeta broke every bone in his body and he was up and kicking a few days later (no senzu)

NightstrikerX wrote: Superman is shown to be able to regenerate wounds as well. Although I am not sure how much entirely.


He was wounded pretty bad after fighting DS. He was completely OK after a day or two.

NightstrikerX wrote: Due to lack of infomation on both sides, this one seems to be a draw.


I say yes but not because of a lack of info; because of them both haveing miraculous recovery rates.

NightstrikerX wrote: Superpowers (Heat Vision, Kamehameha)



NightstrikerX wrote: Goku’s superpowers as said previously, are heavily reliant on his Ki energy. If he has no Ki energy, he has no superpowers. That being said, he is able to emit MASSIVE amounts of ki energy before retiring, and only needing a few minutes to recharge before being able to do it again. Lets see how those powers will measure up agaist superman.


Amen.

NightstrikerX wrote: Kai&#333;-Ken (Fist of the Worlds, King Kai Fist) - It would give goku a boost over superman. If superman gauges his speed and strength while fighting goku in his normal form. Goku can use this to constantly shift his speed and strength to keep superman surprised. At higher levels, goku could most likely overwhelm superman with ease. But at cost to himsself.
Draw, it could go either way with this one.


If Goku pushed it to the limit and didn’t waste any time, he’d win easily without even going SSJ but it would nearly kill him so =/

NightstrikerX wrote: Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb) - A bad idea, period. The spirit energy won’t hurt those of pure heart. I’m certain superman falls under that catagory. It also leaves him exposed to attack. Which superman can use to get one good hit on goku and easily knock him out.


Goku can TELE while forming the SSB... And it DOES affect everyone - remember when Goku (the purest of the Z fighters and even purer than Supes) WAS SCARED of getting hit by the SSB when Kid Buu pushed it back? So yeah...

NightstrikerX wrote: Shunkan Idô (Instantaneous Movement, Instant Transmission) - A potentially deadly move by goku, goku can teleport superman to a location without a sun. (for example other world, hell or yakon’s home world) each of those locations have strong power signatures and goku could lock onto them easily. Superman would be able to potentially continue the fight for a bit. But without the sun. He is kinda screwed.


Goku wouldn’t do that though... He would use IT when Superman uses ice breath or heat vision though.

NightstrikerX wrote: Taiyoken (Fist of the Sun, Solar Flare) - Another BAD idea. Superman gets his power from the yellow sun, this one makes that power stronger to the point it blinds people. It will only empower superman. Superman 3, Goku 2.


Dunno about this. The “solar flare” is actually a KI attack, not a solar one, which would WEAKEN Superman, not empower him. That’s a GOOD idea but kinda cheap so yeah...

NightstrikerX wrote: Zanzôken (Shadow Fist, Afterimage) - I havn’t seen superman create an afterimage himself yet. His speed is pretty fast, but this pretty much proves that goku is faster. Since he uses it so often on so many enemies. I’m sure superman won’t be able to pick it up, espically since superman can’t sense ki energy. It may be even more effective on superman because of that fact.


Definetaly.

NightstrikerX wrote: Ryu Ken (Dragon Fist) - Could definately bind superman in place, leaving him open to another massive attack. Also does considerable damage itself. Could the dragon be considered magical in nature? Since it is in the form of shenron. Who is a being of magic. But made out of Ki energy. Either way, if it damages or not. If superman is hit with this ability, he will be binded and opened for another attack.


It rips THROUGH YOU man, it doesn’t bind you. Supes would be dead in 1 hit. Only problem? It’s non-canon.

NightstrikerX wrote: Kienzan (Destructo Disc) - A slow but nonguidable attack. Could go either way. Some enemies have been shown being able to resist it, others have been cut right in two. The power generally cuts anything it comes in contact with. Since superman once again can’t sense energy, goku may be able to surprise superman with it.


Great idea. Once again too cheap for Goku to use.

NightstrikerX wrote: Renzoku Kikou Dan (Rapid Fire Blasts) - Depending on how fast the battle is moving, this could be potentially deadly or a waste of valuble energy. If superman is hit with a full force volley of these, it will cause considerable damage. It won’t be enough to beat superman. But it definately will do damage.


If Supes can block/defend enough then yeah. But Supes is SLOWER than Goku and Goku nearly hit Cell with a full volley who was faster. Cell had to use a force field. Supe’s bio-electric aura can’t block this much and he’d get hit by them all or most. Plus the fact ki is magic. Superman dies for sure.

NightstrikerX wrote: Kamehameha - Depending on the power of this. It could kill superman, the kamehameha is shown to annihilate entire worlds if powered up enough, goku has modified it several times over the course of dragon ball. Making the Chou Kamehemaha, the Kamehameha X10, Warp Kamehemaha, Double Kamehameha. Its power has been able to knock holes in walls (Early dragon Ball, to being able to destroy planets (cell saga), to blasting someone straight into the sun (Bebi Saga)) Since superman’s only defence to this is evade. Being hit with it too much will cause a defeat.


He can’t dodge WK though...Oh and SSJ3 Goku was throwing out multi galaxy busters with Kid Buu who who responded just as hard.

NightstrikerX wrote: Super Saiyan - Goku will most likely need to transform to beat Superman. Depending on the battle, he may need to push to supersaiyan 2 or 3.


SSJ3 would plain slaughter Superman.

NightstrikerX wrote: Super Vision: His heat vision, is reportedly to have no end to the amount of heat it generates. Goku has no defence to the heat aside from his speed. However, because this is most commonly shown as a small-medium laser beam emitting from the eyes and not a super giant wave. X-ray vision would be near useless, maybe he could use it to sight what bones or damaged areas of goku to damage them further. However, since goku can maintain his speed near indefinately. He will most likely evade it constantly. Also, keeping the battle at range will not go in superman’s favor.


I’m in favor of this post.

NightstrikerX wrote: Super Breath: Superbreath is shown to have limited range, however. If goku is hit with it it will definately cause him to slow and or freeze entirely. In one of the DBZ movies, goku is shown to be rather vunerable to cold and doesn’t generally like it. Although he was able to break free of a icy prison. Superman’s freeze breath would be far superior. Another aspect of superman’s breathing is the fact he can survive without it. Thus making him able to fight in zero-oxygen areas such as space or underwater. Where goku needs to simply hold his breath.


Superman has this but Goku has been seen to be able to fight underwater for prolonged period of time so he could do that in space as well. But Superman has this because he can maintain his breath longer.

NightstrikerX wrote: That pretty much covers it. Based on their overall stats on how I see it, I view goku would be the winner.


As I said in the beggining - OH SHIT SON!

NightstrikerX wrote: Superman’s past, present and future are highly disorted. It makes it extremely hard to tell what form of superman goku is fighting. If goku is fighting silver age, he would definately lose. Anyone would, the writers gave superman the ability to kick the crap outta anything in the known universe. Even the universe itself, if they wanted too. I bet they would make a comic where superman beats up god.


Not SSJ4 o_0
Oh and they DID when Superman fought Gog but got his ass kicked - Demi god.
Then him and the known DC universe piled poor Imperiex’s ass - God
Yep they won. shocked
Lol next they’ll have him beating up TP (The Prescence)
That’s like BASE Goku beating the shit out of Kaio Shin in the begging of DB. Ain’t gonna happen in a million years.

NightstrikerX wrote: Superman has been around since 1932. His story should have ended awhile ago, because it hasn’t ended. You end up with such a confusing thing as superman. Some of his powers just baffle me. Super-Venquiloism? Well its true. So is super-hypotism.


Lol shocked - Noob Superman writers and copyright infringing punks *from JS and JS* FTW!

NightstrikerX wrote: Oh, and one more thing. Since your calling in these other forms of superman. You might as well start calling in fusions, vegeta, gohan, piccolo, and the other DBZ characters. Since there are so many versions of superman its sad.


Goku doesn’t need them (the fusions) o_0

NightstrikerX wrote: I used to love superman, back when he was just that. Superman, no immortality or being able to push around worlds. The writers just went too far and because of that I looked to other things.


Thanks man. That’s my OWN view. Pre-crisis and Prime were just like GT and AF/AE - all that fan shit. That’s all it was, GOING TO FAR. Post crisis and DBZ are two works of art that should be enjoyed though. Long live Akira Toriyama and Joe Schuster and Jimmy Seagle. THEY ARE THE SHIT! Whoo!

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Creshosk wrote: So?


Is that all you can say? When you can’t counter all you say is “so”?...

Creshosk wrote: If you’re going to be lazy so too shall I.


You already are. Being lazy I mean. Why should I have to go all the way back? You bring it up - you find it.

Creshosk wrote: I hope we’re talking about what’s canon, otherwise I’ve got some non-canon clips you won’t like.


LOL! You mean pre-crisis or prime? Pshh... Dude, everyone knows Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta but we can only spectate. If you even bring pre-crisis in - I use the anime (SSJ4) and the movies in this. If you do something as stupid as bringing in Prime - I bring in non-canon SSJ5... You won’t like either.

Creshosk wrote: Well Gotenks is a combonation of two 7 year olds, especailly Vegeta raised trunks. Kids do seem to exagerate things.


This has nothing to do with power. I mean a 7 year old hybrid or or a 17 year old (Gohan) with more power than the strongest being alive would scare me. Too bad it’s not true - Goku’s the strongest. Trunks is arrogant but he knows what he can’t do - I mean he’s not a freaking retard.

That’s insulting Vegeta. Even he ate his words against only one enemy - Kid Buu and admitted Goku was the only in the universe who could beat him and not because of the SSB and this is coming from the tough ass arch-rival who always thought Goku was a weakling. Vegeta came up with that idea far later and Kami-sama could do that just as easy as Goku can, so could Krillen but only Goku could go toe to toe with Kid Buu and come out alive out of all of the Z Fighters. This is why ol' Vegeta ate crow.

Creshosk wrote: But goku isn’t a 7 year old.


What does Goku not being 7 have to do with this? I’d be more scared of the kid (if they had more power) than the grown-up but then again nobody gave a rat’s shit about Gotenks or Gohan since they were not in their dad’s (and “uncle’s”wink league AT ALL.

Creshosk wrote: Yeah, Shame that. Kinda keeps you from being proven right doesn’t it?


No...you just condradicted yourself. You agree that Goku SSJ3 at max power is stronger than Kid Buu but before you said Kid Buu was the stronger one... Shame, what a shame.

Creshosk wrote: Yeah, cause he isn’t a ki user whom the ki was risking the destruction of his body.


Sun = solar energy = life force = power within = chi =ki = magic...

Can it be more simple? How would ki “destroy” his body?

Creshosk wrote: You’re basing an argument off of the name of the chapter?


Yeah, cause for the time being I don’t have the volume 26 scans with me... or the book itself so...you’re gonna have to wait. Anyways they’re valid since the author put them there for a purpose... I mean if Joe or Jim wrote in anything in captions (as in the title of the chapter such as Fight for the Galaxy Has Begun: Teen Titans vs. The Fearsome Five or JLA vs. The Society of Supervillains - that would be valid too so you can’t just blow this away like it’s yesterday’s trash.

Creshosk wrote: So then Since Superman won the crisis on infinite Earths that means... Well actually the Antimonitor WAS destroying multiple universes/alternate realities...


Superboy Prime is non-canon. Imperiex Prime is canon but then again just about everyone in DC piled his ass so... Hate to break this to you but the Anti-moniter is non-canon and from an alternative reality since the Marvels, Earth 2 Supes (Mon-El), and the Matrix Supergirl (Linda Danvers, not Kara) were helping Kal so that woldn’t work...

Creshosk wrote: Still seems fishy.


But it’s true.

Creshosk wrote: Yeah because punching and kicking is so technical.


You heard of combos? Instead of bashing up peeps like a gorilla, Goku actually shows martial arts technique and finesse. Supes almost never shows evidence of using klurkor and even when he does, it’s not TOO impressive.

He doesn’t use klurkor since that would be USELESS IN A “STREET FIGHT” AGAINST AN ENEMY LIKE GOKU since there is not much time to react in such high velocity fight and pull off amazing martial arts moves - at least for Superman.

Creshosk wrote: Or how about letting his opponents recover?


Since that’s the honorable thing to do. Asian people generally fight clean and wait till an opponent’s back up on their feet, unlike American brawlers who just start pounding you even when you’re down (for the most part).

Creshosk wrote: Not recently.


Dude, Luthor made a suit of it and Clark couldn’t even touch him. Luthor overcame him this time - one of his very few times having a victory over Supes.

Creshosk wrote: After fighting much of his rogues gallery he was in a bed of kryptonite when a nuklear device went off. big ol mushroom cloud.


A nuke doesn’t matter AT ALL. Even 1,000 wouldn’t effect either one. The bed of krytonite is very impressive but he was still hurting badly and looking hella sickly. Goku fought off Android 19 at less than half of his normal power and when he was very unstable *the virus* and was STILL kicking his ass.

Creshosk wrote: Superman was just fine.


Goku was too until he used most of his remaining energy into the kamehameha which the nearly dead 19 absorbed and like 20 said - multiplied his base power by many times.


Creshosk wrote: And Goku is certainly a great Magic user... Oh wait..


I dunno... ki = chi energy = magical force within yourself

Don’t think that’s magic?

Explain Yusuke’s Reigun, Naruto’s Rasingan, and Yoh’s summoning Ammidemaru move.

There’s enough proof in all 3 to support what I said!

Creshosk wrote: The tail that he lost ages ago. Not exploitable, but he did have one for a very short period of time.


Oh that... Like you said NOT exploitable... Besides, it WAS a weakness but a source of strength too... If he had it when he fought Vegeta, he woulda won...

Creshosk wrote: That they both have.


True, but Goku goes to a further extent. He’d get himself killed to save a single innocent person let alone everyone (Cell’s self-destruction). In some cases, Supes didn’t wanna sacrifice one person to save many more but he’s had to in the past.

Creshosk wrote: And? It still killed him. It wasn’t a planet buster either as evidenced when Raditz dodged it and we get an explosion on the ground.


Yup, when Goku had like no energy or endurance left, he got hit at point blank range and Piccolo foccused ALL of his ki into it. It just scraped the ground, Piccolo did it above ground and it went off and blew up a mountain or something - never showed the effect of what it did.

Creshosk wrote: Not that it matters that was back at the begining of “Z” and we both know he’s gotten stronger since then.


This is the most biased thing I’ve ever heard. Saying he got “stronger” is bullshit. He had a PL of 300 against Raditz and SSJ Goku (against Frieza) had a PL of 15,000,000. He was MUCH stonger than the Frieza saga in the Cell Saga - especially SSJ Mastered let alone SSJ2. And SSJ3 so far outsrips everything that him just transforming made the entire galaxy shake.

Creshosk wrote: Unproven words of an arrogant braggart. Not you, Cell.


Unproven yeah right. They knew what they were talking about. If Cell said he could do it and they believed him, it was for a reason since THEY obviously know how much power it would take to do destroy a solar system. They’ve been there on the front lines and seen it happen. You don’t since you wouldn’t know. This means that you can’t call Cell a braggart if nobody contradicted him *especially if all of them know what a certain amount of power is able to do*.

Gohan knew what Cell could do with that power and knew that he would’ve died so Goku had to step in. And the “arrogant braggart” you were talking about lived up to all his “lies” but one - he wasn’t the stongest being in the universe - Goku and Gohan were but even then Cell was the strongest till Gohan went SSJ2.

Goku could’ve gone SSJ2 at this point but wanted to draw out his son’s power in case someting happened to him and he died. He knew that his arch-rival (Vegeta) could easily catch up so he didn’t worry about him. Trunks couldn’t do anything and was just about useless since he was from another timeline. This point is stressed again in the Buu saga. There is no way even GOKU could have achieved 2 unheard of levels of Super Saiyan in just 7 years. I mean Vegeta was almost as strong and he only achieved SSJ2 even though he trained everyday - he never got to SSJ3 even at the end of Z. Goku was the only non-fusion and first person to achieve that level since he’s the legendary SSJ. All there is to it.

Creshosk wrote: And only two of those are among those you listed as having killed him.


Funny how a lot of them came very close - Luthor, Braniac, Dr. Light, Black Adam, Preus, and more. Gog and DD WERE the only ones who killed him. That’s true but others could’ve too. Superboy Prime, the Anti-moniter, and Imperiex came pretty close IMO.

Lol now there is no way he didn’t want any of these HEAVY VILLAINS to break their fists (even Luthor and Braniac included when they did have krytonite on them or Dr. Light when he used his magic attack) so no, that’s not really “holding back." The only people he really “holds back” on are human villains.

Creshosk wrote: Of course those that you listed aafter the sarcastic bit are heavy league villians themselves. It’s be like saying that Goku was weak because Buu hit him. We know that Buu was a major leauge threat though.


The second sentence doesn’t make sense cuz you’re not getting your point across... And yes, we do know that Buu was major league - in fact the big bad final boss in the Z verse - not counting the fusion (Mystic Buu or to a lesser extent, Gotenks Buu).

Creshosk wrote: well yeah, it doesn’t actually take alot of force to kill a non-z fighter.


Exactly, so of course Supes rolled back so the HUMAN villains wouldn’t hurt themselves. Can’t be said for most of the alien ones. I mean one time, he even got pwned by a HUMAN woman who was exposed by radiation. She was actually MORE than he could handle. He had to fly into the Sun to get rid of her radiation - she was KILLING him.

Creshosk wrote: Supes has the speed and physical aspects.(stupid black hole stunts) as well as some nice energy durability(meggadon). Goku’s Energy output is godly. Supes might actually be able to destroy a planet, but not as well as goku can.


It’s already proven that Goku has the speed advantage - phasing in and out as a mere kid and moving so fast that it seems like he was teleporting to the human (and even meta-human like in the Tenkaichi Budokai in DB where even Tien *the former champ* can’t catch up) eye. The Ginyu Force scan shows that - I mean he was so fast he seemed like a Super Saiyan. Nobody - not even Vegeta could see his movement and Vegeta’s so much faster than anyone on Earth except Goku - it’s not even funny. I mean even Supes can be SEEN AS A BLUR but he’s never looked like he was teleporting, even to humans.

Goku never encountered a black hole before so who knows... Those black hole feats were totally off the point being non-canon. But he has to have some serious strength backing him if he wasted a being with one hit, who could easily destroy planets (Frieza) in only Form 1. He went SSJ and hit him so hard, Frieza got the wind knocked out of him AND he bled internally (a LOT). This is when Frieza was in Form 4 and at FULL POWER which is so much stronger than his 1st form, it’s not even funny. The basis for this? I mean look at it this way - Frieza had to have ENDURANCE - this shows when he took that kaio-ken X20 kamehameha point blank with just a few scratch. Like, someone who can destroy a planet can’t KO’ed in 1 punch by a human so they have to have GODLY endurance. I mean that’s like saying an ant could knock out Tenchi Muyo - ain’t gonna happen. And Goku broke through that endurance EASILY. This places Frieza at Darkseid level, at least.

SSJ3 Goku took Kid Buu’s Super Kamehameha head on and lived. That beam packed a SERIOUS punch. It was more than 30 times the strength of the father son-kamehameha (it was a half-assed blast, Goku and Gohan were low on power, at 1/2 to be exact) Enough said.

Mr. Roshi destroyed the moon with a kamehameha in DB alone. I already explained the power honorifics. Form 1 Frieza was probably around .5 million PL and he EASILY destroyed the Saiyan planet with a single ki blast or by a long shot, a Death Ball. That’s why it looked like a “meteor” to the Saiyans and it was probably a ki blast since none of them got a chance to respond to the threat by evacuating, Saiyans may be sadistic and bloodthirsty, but that doesn’t mean that they are retarded enough to stay on a planet which a “meteor” has a projected crash course to and is close to impact. Planet Vegeta didn’t just break into pieces - it blew up and was vaporized without even a trace being left.

SSJ Goku in the Frieza saga alone is AT LEAST 30 times stronger than that and can easily destroy a few planets. Super Perfect Cell (SPC) had a PL of 40,000,000, SSJ2 Gohan had a PL of 35,000,000, PC had a PL of 30,000,000. Cell self destructed (imperfect) which had a PL of like 10,000,000-20,000,000 and it was a solar sytem destroyer. Now SPC is MUCH stronger and was doing a super kamehameha (which is much stronger than his actual PL - ki attacks like Galick Gun, Masenko, Special Beam Cannon, Buster, Kamek(h)ameha do 3 times your PL worth of damage since Goku and Piccolo at a PL of 300 output 1,000 PL with these attacks) of maybe 120,000,000 and Gohan at half power produced around 50,000,000 and Goku covered the other part so Cell’s was easily pushed back. First Gohan was pouring 30,000,000 then Goku said cut loose so he output 50,000,000 and Goku increased his own power to like 90,000,000 or even more from a weak 70,000,000 so Cell died from something WAY stronger than a solar system buster. Afterwards, Goku’s power increased to more than half a BILLION in the Kid Buu arc and he’s not even at full power. He has a PL of 600,000,000 which is at least 20 times more than his SSJ2 form and that’s not even his peak. Not to mention like Supe’s mental barriers - Goku NEVER uses full power or goes all out. You’ve never seen a pissed of Goku and that’s really lucky cuz if people like Vegeta, Gohan, and Future Trunks gained all that power from rage - you don’t wanna know what Goku can do or is capable of. Besides, BASE Goku at the end of Z is almost as strong as SSJ3 Goku in the Kid Buu since he was fighing pissed Uub (Kid Buu reincarnated) in base and owning so Supes would get SLAUGHTERED. He also gained a huge boost from fighting Kid Buu and he spars with Vegeta from time to time to make his immense strength grow even more. That means his power’s well over 1 billion at this point. He can destroy a few galaxies with this power and maybe even the universe at the end of Z (base form).

SSJ3 is so much stronger than base that you get the point. Superman can’t hope to match this! =D

All Supes took is the Meggdaon Missle which could destroy only 1 galaxy anyways but the thing is, he nearly died when the brunt of it didn’t even get him. So Goku’s more durable than Supes is. Like you said Goku’s energy output is GODLY. Supes can destroy a planet but he has to hit the core with his heat vision for quite a long time whereas Goku just goes boom with a ki blast. I’m sorry man, but the two heroes just don’t compare. smiley


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omg u guys r stupid wrote: People always call in fusion, or SSJ4 Goku at his strongest, so why not use Superman at his strongest? Superman Prime has been living in the SUN for 15,000 years, and he has the Green Lantern ring, the Universe’s Most Powerful weapon. By that time, Supes is no longer hurt by Kryptonite, he has absorbed so much solar energy that he cannot be hurt by anything other than a psychic attack (psychic attacks only give him headaches), and the Green Lantern ring is limited only by willpower in what it can do.


Fusion is cheap, we don’t go by it. Oh and SSJ4 is stronger than Pre-crisis and Goku fused with the dragonballs is stronger than Supes Prime. GL ring can’t be used since it’s an OUTSIDE weapon or Goku will just slice through Superman with Tapion’s sword or maybe the Z sword. Goku would never use krytonite against him anyway.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Or how about Pre-Crisis Superman? Who is this? The early version of Superman, who had his powers cut back during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Heres some samples of his powers:

Goku can blow up a planet? Superman once juggled planets.


Try Goku being able to destroy GALAXIES maybe even the entire universe. Oh and that’s just SSJ3. SSJ4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3. (SSJ5) *Referring to Goku fused with the Dragonballs* is by FAR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ4 Gogeta who >>>>>>>> Omega Shenron who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta. So yeah...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Goku has instant transmission? The Flash can run over 8 times the speed of light, and Superman barely lost to him in a footrace. That means that Superman can move at around 7.7 times the speed of light. Goku’s instant transmission is only 99% speed of light.


The Flash is LIGHT SPEED, Supes wnt 99% light speed against Impulse.. Goku’s IT is 100%. His normal movement is WAY faster than the speed of light.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman once nearly outflew the barrier of creation.


Goku could too if he could breathe in space.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: He is so fast, and his senses are so sharp, that while talking to Lois Lane, he heard aliens in another galaxy needing help, went there, helped them, and came back, and Lois didnt even notice he had left.


Time stop ability...That doens’t relate with speed whatsoever. If he had REALLY flew that fast, he would have destroyed the Earth so yeah. Oh and if Superman tries to turn back time to make it so Goku was never born, Goku teleports and rips out his heart.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: His voice alone can shatter mountains.


So can Goku’s - Tien stopped a VERY powerful energy blast (in those times by Cyborg Tao) with a simple shout. shocked and Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tien at that point.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: His heat vision can repel Darkseid’s Omega Effect, which can destroy planets.


OE isn’t CONCENTRATED. It’s an area effect meaning it’s weaker. Goku’s KI blast can deflect that in SSJ or maybe even BASE.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Should I go on?


Yep. Please do.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman closed a black hole with his bare hands.


Goku never encountered a black hole so...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: He once used his superbreath to extinguish a star about to go nova.


Goku doesn’t have ice-breath. OK, Supes gets this one although it’s useless against Goku. Goku could probably do the same with a low powered kamehameha. It wouldn’t explode to create a reaction, just absorb it and blow without anything disasterous happening.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: He sneezed in outer space, and his super breath obliterated an uninhabited solar-system. The whole thing.


You have to understand that’s as powerful as he gets. Not gonna get any stronger. EVER. Supes Prime IS like pre-crisis on steroids but you fail to understand that in 10,000 years - Goku’s probably like an SSJ 2,000 (lol eek) by now. HIS POWER IS LIMITLESS AND HE DISCOVERED A NEW LEVEL OF SSJ IN 5 years so yeah... That’s just from Z, GT Goku would OBLITERATE Prime.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: In February 1954, Superman withstands the explosion of a hydrogen bomb, (Superman #87)


Oh wow. I’m SO scared.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: In June 1958, while relaxing at his Fortress of Solitude, Superman defeats a great robot he has built in a game of super-chess, despite the fact that the robot - which possesses a super-electronic brain - can think and play with the speed of lightning and plans a million moves at once.


Nice. Too bad Goku bumped his head huh? Saiyans (Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Raditz) are WAY smarter than Nameks (Piccolo) who’s WAY smarter than a genius (Bulma) who’s WAY smarter than an average human. Shame huh? Now Superman’s intelligence is NOWHERE near the level of Braniac or Lex Luthor.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: By 1957, Superman is able to hurl an uninhabited Planet through space (Superman #110) Both Pre-Crisis Superman and Superboy have been known to move planets without external assistance. For reference, consider the earth an average sized planet. The earth weighs in at 5.972 sextillion (5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000) metric tons.


Funny how the only Supes that is canon is by Schuster and Seagle... Then again Goku can’t breathe is space so yeah...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: This thread is comparing the second strongest version of Superman to the second strongest version of Goku. WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING ANIMATED SUPERMAN, WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING PRIME, AND WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING GOKU AFTER HE ABSORBS THE DRAGONBALLS. Superman Prime is just too strong to even think about fighting anybody hand to hand. So we’ll use Pre-Crisis Superman. Goku, after absorbing the Dragonballs, is never seen fighting again, so we arent using him either. We dont know what he can do. The fight is Pre-Crisis Superman vs SSJ4 Goku.


Dude, this is SO unfair. Goku in DB >>>>>>>>>>> Animated Supes. And anime/movies Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>> manga Goku. The way I see it, WE’RE the ones with a handicap. Oh and End of GT Goku’s AT LEAST an SSJ5, his power’s far >>>>>>>>> SSJ4 Gogeta’s is. I wouldn’t be so sure about Supes Prime being stronger than GT Goku... I mean if we count the movies, he has SO much more stuff it’s not even funny. It’s not fair that Superman gets 10,000 years in the Sun so Goku gets to train the whole time. Since Supes gets to use the enviroment to his advantage we’ll let Goku use the moon for SSJ 2,000 Ozzuru. If Superman uses the GL Ring or Sword of Truth, Goku just calls upon the power of the dragonballs and Shenron because what Supes is doing is OUTSIDE help. Goku’s so strong, you can’t even IMAGINE it.
You have no idea of Goku’s power. His “SSJ5” state (after absorbing the d-balls) is so powerful that he had to accompany Shenron to the world of the death. He was so powerful HE HAD TO DIE and commit himself to his “obligated” duty. So yeah...
We also get to use the movies and DBZ anime, not manga if you use Pre-crisis.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: We arent talking about WHY they are fighting. We dont care why. Even though we know that comic heroes have fought each other many times, and we know that Goku has fought his friends and family many times, we just dont care. This is about what would happen IF they fought.


Goku would, of course, win.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman is impervious to ki attacks. There are ki users in the DCU, and they do not affect Superman.


Ha! Ki equals magic? Which equals weakness, hmm...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Goku trying to use Kryptonite on Superman. Goku wont. Just for comparison, he gave Cell a senzu bean before sending his own son in against Cell. He wont figure out Superman’s weakness anyway. Of note: Green K is not an instant kill on the Man of Steel. Superman was recently injected with liquid K (I know, I know, Kryptonite is a mineral, I dont write this stuff) and was still able to use his powers.


I know he wouldn’t NEED it. It’s not an instant KO but severly hurts his power.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Goku blowing up the sun. Goku wont, he’s too good to intentionally kill everyone on Earth, just to win a fight. He would rather sacrifice himself than risk destroying the earth. Plus, Superman has enough solar energy stored up, and can exist in space long enough, that the destruction of the sun would be more of a problem for Goku than Superman.


Wouldn’t have to in the first place.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Goku trying to gather the Dragonballs. He doesnt have time, because Superman is so much faster, Goku doesnt have time to gather all the balls, and doesnt have time to make a wish. Also, everybody knows how much he loves a fight, and how its often his downfall.


He wouldn’t need them. Goku’s WAY faster. Downfall if he’s much stronger than his opponent (Supes)?

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Goku using the Genki Dama. No. Goku doesnt have time to summon one up because of Superman’s speed. Besides, the Spirit Bomb doesnt work on those pure of heart.


Yeah, he does. He can take his punches easy. If Supes does ice breath or heat vision, Goku IT’s just like he did when Kid Buu attacked him while forming the SSB. Now he has the USB = instant ko. Genki dama does affect the pure of heart. Goku’s purer than anyone else is and he was afraid to get hit by his own SSB when Kid Buu pushed it back. He’s so pure that he never really killed anyone other than Kid Buu, Cell (helping his dying son) and Demon King Piccolo, even Frieza WHEN HE WAS PISSED AS FUCK. So if he was afraid to get hit by his own SSB, Supes WOULD get pwned...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman doesnt know martial arts. Wrong. Superman knows many forms of martial arts, and how to neutralize them, and he has thousands of years of combat experience.


Klurkor sure. Is it better than the Son style who Supes has never experienced? Goku can live just as long if not longer than Superman. He doesn’t know Goku’s style. Besides it’s quality over quantity. Karate Kid >>>>>>> Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>> Superman >>>>>Batman.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Goku wins because he is cooler. Wrong. Nobody cares who you think is “cool." Thats both subjective and irrelevant to this fight, as a good friend of mine pointed out. Also, Superman has been around longer, is more recognizable, and is even more popular in Japan than Goku.


No, it’s not. Goku’s a much bigger icon worldwide. Fame doesn’t equal cool btw. Supes is most popular in countries with english as a primary language...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Not only can SSJ4 Goku not take the strongest incarnation of Superman (Prime), or the second strongest (Pre-Crisis), now I say that he cant take the THIRD strongest, our modern Post-Crisis Superman. Ive already talked about how our Superman has flown through the sun twice, can lift 43 billion tons, survived being injected with liquid K, and stopped the Omega Effect with his heat vision. Well, take this on for size.


Lmfao. This is so stupid it’s not even funny. SSJ4 would WASTE pre-crisis... The same one that struggled with a 10 ton tanker with help from WW and MM. The same one that got pwned by Dr. Light. The very same one that got killed by DD and Gog. The same one who got owned by a HUMAN woman who emmited radiation. The same one that could only reach 99% the speed of light. The same one who had trouble with DARKSEID. The same one that got ONE HITTED by Preus.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Goku CANNOT beat Post-Crisis Superman:


Yeah he can.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: In Superman Man of Steel #66, he once again acted as an effective shield, protecting cities around the world by blocking numerous “atom-smashing” force beams with his body. At one point he had 6 such beams trained on him simultaneously.


Not very convincing. A kamehameha is MUCH stronger at the beggining of Z is stronger than any of the beams he got hit by.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: In Adventures of Superman #581, Superman allowed Adversary, a powerful magical foe, to hit him as hard as he could, without retaliation. Superman was literally punched halfway across the planet- from Metropolis, he literally landed in China- without any injury or loss of consciousness


Meaning Goku could do this with a generic ki blast in base. Not a great arguement.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: But forget about being punched across the planet to China, how about through the planet to China? In Superman #181, Superman and Bizarro (his magically-created, brain damaged, “imperfect” duplicate) switched bodies. Superman (in Bizarro’s body) punched Bizarro (in Superman’s body) completely through the Earth and out the other end. Bizarro (in Superman’s body) was slammed in through the ground in Metropolis and came out two panels later in China. He was shown ripping straight through the Earth?s crust, mantle, and core, and coming out on the other side of the planet. Superman’s body was fully conscious and completely unharmed by the blow (Bizarro was smiling as usual).


Your point? Goku could take the same treatment and get up - all he would ahve to do is dust himself off. And I recall the same Superman getting punched a mile by Repo Man and FEELING it - he was hurt. The same Repo Man that was SLAUGHTERING Supes and Superboy at the same time.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: In Man of Tomorrow #13, Superman harmlessly shrugged off a blast from Orion’s Astro-Harness that blasted him across the planet from the North Pole to India.


Too bad Goku’s KI blasts in even BASE are stronger...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Action Comics # 762: Superman harmlessly shrugged off a blow from the magical demon Etrigan. The blow actually knocked Superman from Earth’s surface all the way to the moon (239,000 miles), a distance that is about 10 times the diameter of the Earth. Superman was virtually unfazed. In this issue he also shrugged off magical demon-fire (which he did previously in Action #589), and his super-lungs harmlessly inhaled the demon’s magical gases.


Nothing special. If Goku could breathe in space, he could do the same except the fact that magic wouldn’t and couldn’t do that to him.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: In Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey, Superman survived, at ground zero, a blast equal to “a million nuclear bombs” (according to the energy being Waverider). The explosion was caused by the destruction of the power generator for the entire planet of Calaton; the energy was drawn from the planetary core. Superman did not suffer any physical damage, but was momentarily rendered inert, and stated that he felt concussed. He then got up and boxed a little more with Doomsday, who also survived the blast.


They didn’t get hit by the brunt of it. Goku and co exchange kamehamehas with MILLIONS of times as more power than that - and live.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: In Adventures of Superman #478, as part of the Time and Time Again storyline, Superman survived- without so much as batting an eye- the nuclear destruction of the entire moon in the year 2995. The moon had been lined with sufficient nuclear devices to disintegrate it in one shot. When the moon was obliterated, Superman was actually within the moon (structures had been built beneath the surface of the moon). He did not suffer any harm and did not lose consciousness.


Umm...wow? Amazing! Not. Once again a few nukes aren’t anything to them.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman’s ability to survive immersion in the sun is well documented by now. In Adventures of Superman #480, Superman survived immersion in the sun for the first time, but with great difficulty. This was actually a RED sun at the time, due to the Eradicator’s interference. In both the Superman: Last God of Krypton one shot and Superman Man of Steel #50, Superman survived immersion in the outer layers of the Earth’s yellow sun enjoyably, received extra power from the sun, and effortlessly escaped the sun?s gravitational pull. Furthermore, in both Action Comics # 782 and Superman Man of Steel #64, Superman survived the core of the sun without any problems. The pressure at the core of the sun is equal to 250 billion Earth atmospheres.


All the DBZ villains could have. But the key thing was they would have escaped from the pull of gravity with ease if Goku hadn’t kamehamehaed them directly into the Sun’s path all those times. Supes only has resistance to the Sun AS he’s a solar being of sorts - Kryton wasn’t a Sun but THEY ALL GOT THEIR ENERGY FROM IT.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: In JLA #41, Superman absorbed the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device capable, at the minimum, of vaporizing half a galaxy. Writer Grant Morrison intended Mageddon to be “the primordial annihilator” capable of literally destroying everything. Visibly distressed by the absorption, Superman still suffered no harm whatsoever, and even smiled afterwards.


Again didn’t take the brunt or even close. Goku SSJ3 exchanged supercharged kamehamehas with Kid Buu that were able to destroy the universe (or damn well close) itself and lived...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Man of Steel #30: Standing on Earth’s surface, Superman punched Lobo into orbit and beyond with one uppercut.


Lobo was owning Superman. Goku could have done that but then again HE WANTS A FIGHT.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Adventure of Superman #473: From Earth, Superman threw an alien space craft clear of Earth?s gravity and into outer space. This craft was larger than an aircraft carrier and over a mile long (a typical aircraft carrier is about a 1/4 of a mile long and weighs about 100,000 tons, so this ship was about 4x that size)


Nothing more impressive than what Goku can do. And you forget it was hollow and a lot less dense than you’d think.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Several events show Superman as a moon-mover. In JLA # 7, as Electro-Superman, he halted the fall of the Moon towards Earth (caused by Neron’s magical machinations), then moved the Moon back its proper position in orbit. He later commented that he’s more powerful as “regular” Superman. Writer Grant Morrison and artist Howard Porter had originally intended the moon-moving event in JLA #7 be done by “regular” Superman , but DC forced them to use Electro-Supes. This event is butressed by several more. In JLA: The Century War, ancient “alchemical engines” were causing the moon to fall towards the Earth. Superman and Green Lantern took turns holding the moon back against the “geometrically increasing force” that was causing it to fall. Superman got the last “moon-bracing” shift. In Superman Man of Steel #30, Superman grabbed, easily broke the forward movement of, and easily threw in the opposite direction, a space ship the size of a small moon. In JLA # 58, Superman , Wonder Woman and Green Lantern collaborated to tow Earth’s moon a distance of 238,900 miles in mere seconds, indicating a fantastic acceleration, and then pulled the moon out of Earth’s gravity (which increases its weight tremendously). As he is universally regarded as the JLA’s most powerful member, I’m inclined to give Superman more than one-third, and - conservatively - about one-half, the work effort. In the Lex 2000 special, with a single strike, Superman split one of Saturn’s moons in half. Saturn’s moons are small moons.


Goku can’t survive in space or...

Superman # 30: Once again the ship was HOLLOW and was MUCH less dense than the moon.
JLA # 58: Superman >>> WW. Not by much at all. And you sorely underestimate the power of Green Lantern - a fully charged ring could go on par with Superman. shocked and the AVENGER IS THE MOST POWERFUL JLA “Member”

And this is where good ol' Supes STRUGGLES with a TEN TON tanker - WITH HELP FROM A STRONGER BEING (Martian Manhunter) and a WEAKER ONE *Wonder Woman* so yeah... The same weight times 4 which Goku lifted EFFORTLESSLY in BASE. shocked and that metal he threw at Gohan *densest in the universe, in fact so dense that IT BROKE THE SWORD OF THE KAIS THEMSELVES* The big-ass chunk he calmly lifted with one hand and threw at Gohan? Yup, that’s the one.


omg u guys r stupid wrote: Action Comics #782: After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWorld did engage a “full throttle countermeasure” in resistance Superman?s push. We can see WarWorld’s engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorld’s surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorld’s engines allow WarWorld to travel at faster than light speeds through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed. “How is he moving my planet! The Kryptonian does not have that power!" Braniac’s disbelief is reasonable since WarWorld’s engines had no shortage of power ; WarWorld had just pirated the energy of Imperiex - energy gleaned from the devouring of many galaxies. (Hence Imperiex’s reputation as the “Devourer of Galaxies.“FPRIVATE “TYPE=PICT;ALT=wink” Please note that Superman was energized beyond his usual power levels at this time.


Energized FAAAAAAAAARRRR beyond a normal power level. Once agian look above. shocked in all due respect, WW’s a TINY PLANT - the size of Earth’s moon.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Action Comics Annual #7: Fighting in space, Superman successfully resisted the pull from a black hole that had opened up directly below (inches from) his feet. The miniature black hole had been induced by advanced alien (Ht’ros) war technology.


A MINI black hole, Goku has never encountered one so... Oh wait he HAS. Remember the dead zone? That suction force was FAR GREATER than ANY black hole in existence and Goku and Piccolo escaped pretty easily.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman #13: Flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, indicating a speed of well over 1,000,000 mph, or roughly 1350 times the speed of sound.


Goku does at least 10X the speed of light.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Man of Steel #110: Standing in one spot, Superman used his super speed to vibrate his body invisible.


Goku moves so fast he phased in and out as a kid - to the meta-human eye let alone the human eye... Supes' best? Even grown up, people see him as a BLUR, he doesn’t look like he’s teleporting like Goku does.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman #175: Taking another speed trick from the Flash?s book of tricks, Superman used his super speed to vibrate his body intangible, thus allowing Doomsday’s punches and fire-breath to pass harmlessly through him. A body moving at light speed within an atmosphere will become intangible (that’s how the Flash does it).


Then again Goku’s not a pussy reorting to cheap tricks even though he could do them. Why would he wanna be intangible anyways? Saiyans thirst for battle and CONTACT. It wouldn’t really be fair if the enemy couldn’t touch him.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Return of Superman: Superman used his speed to vibrate his arm so fast, it shattered the Cyborg?s body into hundreds of fragments.


Who I recall was pwning Supes at first. Meh Goku’s done this move plenty of times - not shattered anyone but then again they were WAY tougher than Cyborg. This is the same Supes who barely defeated an Omac... AND he killed a lot of them even though they were humans inside.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: After racing the Man of Steel, Impulse stated that Superman travels at 99% of the speed of light.


Exactly. Goku does a few times more.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: War of the Gods #4: Superman actually out-raced an energy beam to its target. In JLA: Heavens Ladder, it is stated that Superman can race a photon to its target.


That’s pretty slow... A photon...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Lex 2000 special: Superman made the trip from Earth to Saturn in well under 4 minutes. By comparison, light takes about 19 minutes to make this trip. He was pissed at the time.


Goku’s done amazing things when pissed. Like kill Frieza, search all of Namek, and then finally find a working ship all in 2 minutes time (when he was about to leave and let Frieza go and Frieza attacked him) And here is MORE THAN ENOUGH PROOF TO ENSURE GOKU CAN WITHSTAND A PLANET DESTROYING ATTACK WITH EASE. I mean Goku was gonna leave Frieza on Namek after it exploded and said that he would let him live as long as Goku never saw him again and knew how he could survive in space and all - and this is when Frieza’s ALMOST DEAD, with no energy left, despirited AND missing a few body parts...
Supes fanboys claim that Goku couldn’t survive a planet destroying attack (Cell) LOL
I mean the multi galactic or universal busters exchanged with Kid Buu were pretty much the alltime highs on the charts.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman #167: His power waning under a red sun, Superman still summoned enough heat vision to successfully power Jor-El’s planet-moving ion engines. The planet in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth’s.


All he did was POWER the engines even though he was weakened. He still had old stores of energy stored up AND Goku’s single ki blast could do that with ease.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman’s heat vision has a maximum range of at least 239,000 miles (the distance from the Earth to the Moon). In Superman #101, he let out a beam from Earth’s surface that scorched the surface of the moon; In Man of Steel #112, he shot a beam that bounced off the surface of the moon. Krypto did, too.


Goku’s kamehameha can at least reach the Sun - a range of at least 93,000,000 miles away. A feat that he has done many times.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: In John Byrne’s Man of Steel revamp, it was shown that Superman’s microscopic vision can see on the subcellular level, as he analyzed Bizarro?s cellular structure; and even on the molecular level, as he analyzed the molecular composition of Magpie’s acid-gas.


So? Would that help in a fight? And Goku’s eyes are so far advanced than anyone else’s it’s not even funny. We don’t know if he can see on the molecular level since DBZ’s distant 3rd person for the most part, not centered around 1 character...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: In the JLA: Earth 2 graphic novel, the Martian Manhunter and Superman mulled over the abnormalities at “every eighth angstrom” in the DNA of the anti-matter Earth’s version of Lex Luthor. An angstrom is about the size of a large atom.


MM is much smarter - he was obviously in charge. They still couldn’t break it down to as to what made the anti-matter Luthor.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman #152: Superman’s telescopic vision allowed him to peer across the galaxy to WarWorld.


You mean solar system? Goku can’t survive in space or... Oh and even I can see other galaxies...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: In Man of Steel #121, Superman’s super-hearing allowed him to pinpoint a single person in a city of 11 million based on such distinctive sounds as the rustle of that person’s clothing and the sound of their heartbeat.


Goku’s been threre, down taht. That’s how he tracked people before learning how to sense ki.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Soul Search: Fighting alone in Hell (literally), Superman single-handedly defeated Blaze, a death goddess, in her own realm. This had never been accomplished before by anyone; Blaze has magical control over the very reality of her realm. The attacks that Superman fought off included magical transmutation into a demon, which he shook off through sheer willpower ; magical energy blasts from Blaze ; a magical spell that encased him in stone, which he subsequently shattered; and immersion in the lava lakes of this magical dimension.


Yet Goku could do the same even if he DID have a weakness to magic.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Alone against the Daxamite Lar Gand, (Daxamites are the genetic cousins to, but reputed to be more powerful than, Kryptonians), Superman soundly KO’d Lar, despite the fact that Superman was operating on empty lungs on the airless surface of the moon (Lar had air in his lungs however).


Daxamites are weaker AND they have that unnatural weakness to lead. It’s FAR greater than Kryptonian weakness to Kryptonite. And air in space isn’t a necessity, you’d literally burst like a balloon so yeah...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Action Comics Annual #7: Alone, Superman twice defeated alien armadas, each capable of destroying a planet.


A PLANET. That is...INCREDIBLE. I mean Goku ONLY fought Kid Buu who could have probably destroyed the universe with that Super Kamehameha he fired and which Goku returned in full.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman #153: Superman became the first being ever in the history of the Universe to defeat an Imperiex probe. He used a combination of super speed and super strength to destroy an Imperiex space construct ; said construct was capable of annihilating our solar system. Note that Superman took a blast from Imperiex, the beam aforementioned as being able to vaporize a solar system.


Your point? Imperiex was WEAKENED, attacked by JUST ABOUT EVERYONE IN DC so yeah...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: More On Kal-El’s Durability.Thanks to Jak Sacul


W/E

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Adventures of Superman #477: survives being at ground zero of an imploding sun-eater, followed by a plummet to Earth. KO’d; otherwise OK afterwards.


Still knocked out. Goku just puts his arms across his chest to block and he’d be just fine.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Adventures of Superman #478: survives the nuclear obliteration of the Earth’s moon )in the 31st century, IIRC) without batting an eye.


That was really...cough...catrastophic...cough

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Adventures #480: takes a dive into the outer layers of a red sun.


It weakened him sure but what’s your point? Still a solar being of sorts.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Man of Steel #64, Action Comics #782: goes into the core of a yellow sun.


That’s VERY hard *sarcasm*...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Action Comics #696: takes a trip through a cosmic wormhole.


Whaddya think Goku’s IT is? A cosmic wormhole in the space time continuem.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Hunter/Prey #3: weathers ground zero of the supposed “million nukes” blast on Calaton.


Not even CLOSE to solar system busters...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: JLA/JSA Virtue/Vice: Goes through a black hole. Not sure if Sentinel protected him or not - it’s not clear from the story.


The Avenger or Senentinel did...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman #9: weathers ground zero of a 40 megaton nuke followed by a fall to Earth from outer space. KO’d for a half hour, OK afterwards.


Still not a solar system buster...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman for All Seasons #1 and Trinity #1: impressively endures ground zero nukes without loss of consciousness or injury.


Those are NOWHERE near even SOLAR SYSTEM buster level so who cares.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman/Fantastic Four: the disputed “adamantium cutting lasers” event.


That mineral is not very hard compared to an element in DBZ.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: JLA: Created Equal #2: goes through a black hole (out of continuity).


La la la...IT...la la la...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Adventures of Superman #595: impressively resists Darkseid’s Omega Beams.


He countered OB with heat vision and OE as well... shocked and this same guy got 1 hit KO’d by Preus.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Superman #181: Takes a punch from the magically created Bizarro creature which slams him clear through the Earth, in the ground through Metropolis, through the curst mantle and core and out through China. No injury or loss of consciousness. Smiles afterwards.


Cool.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Man of Steel #127: takes an island-destroying nuke while sitting in Kryptonite-laced sand. No injury or loss of consciousness.


That’s VERY powerful. I am amazed, just STUPIFIED. Laced as in with a tiny amount of. Not impressed.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: War of the Gods #4: blocks a magical beam capable of destroying an island (Paradise Island). Fails to completely mitigate the blast’s effect - one person dies. Apparently briefly KO’d or at least in great pain as a result; otherwise OK at issue’s end.


Oh come on. Goku wouldn’t even have let that ONE PERSON die...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Adventures #581: takes a punch from a magical being that knocks him clear from Metropolis to China. No injury or loss of consciousness. Says “ouch”.


Takes a punch from Repo Man a non magical being that nearly koed him by punching him into Mexico. He nearly dies and only comes to his senses when Connor (Superboy) is about to die.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Action #762: takes a punch from Etrigan the Demon that sends him from Metropolis to the Moon. No injury or loss of consciousness. Says “unff."


He got punched to the Moon...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Trial of Superman (don’t know the issues): survives various planet-powered particle beams from the Cyborg, one of which was said by the Cyborg to be capable of levelling a city. (“Believe me, I’d know” spake the Cyborg.)


City=planet? Hmm...didn’t even know. shocked and Cy’s not much stronger than an Omac...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: Need I remind everyone that this is almost the weakest canon version of Superman we’ve ever seen?


Spoken quite literally. Your stronger versions don’t have shit on Goku wither.


omg u guys r stupid wrote: 1. Q. “Well, Goku can blow up planets, go SSJ5, and kill people with a thought, and absorbed the Dragonballs and . . ."
A. No, he can’t. He’s never done so before, and if he’s never done so, it is assumed that he can’t. That is called using canon information. If you have proof, show it to us.


I agree with two of these... I’m so annoyed by the “can’t destroy a planet” claim that I’m not even wasting my time on a fucking imbecile like you. His “SSJ5” is his state after absorbing the dragonballs. No, he can’t kill with a thought and that’s a good thing. How do you say he didn’t absorb the dragon-balls? He DID!

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 2. Q. “Why would they fight? They’re both heroes!"
A. Heroes fight each other all the time for a variety of reasons. Hell, Goku has fought with every one of his friends at some point in his life, with the POSSIBLE exception of Dende.


Agreed.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 3. Q. “Why did you post this?"
A. Because it seemed like a good idea at the time. Using logic to counter fantardation is a hobby of mine. The fact that it was Kyle’s logic makes it no less logical.


Ha, YOU’RE using fantardation yourself...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 4. Q. “Well, I still think Goku would win!"
A. When you can prove it with canon facts, maybe we’ll listen.


We have so many times, it’s not even funny.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 5. Q. “But Gotenks opened a rip in dimensions by screaming! And Gohan pulled the sword from the stone! And . . . and Vegeta destroys planets!"
A: And? None of them are Goku. By the same coin, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, and Silver Surfer aren’t Superman.


True but you do realize that Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of the forementioned right? Oh and Superman is >>>>>>>>>> WW >>>> GL but he is far superior <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< to Silver Surfer.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 6. Q. “Who cares? Let it die!"
A. We care. We, who are tired of people who will blindly scream how Goku, who is a snail in both speed AND strength compared to Superman, is “strong, faster, etc." And there are plenty of other threads for you to troll in. If you don’t like this one’h come here. Piss off.


You’re the troll. YOU piss off. Goku’s WAY faster, WAY stronger, WAY more durable, WAY more skilled, WAY more powerful and to top it off - WAY cooler.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 7. Q. “Kryptonite!"
A: Goku? The guy who always fights fair? He wouldn’t use it.


Good point.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 8. Q. “Goku gets stronger with every fight! He can’t lose!"
A. The number of fights it’d take for him to reach Superman’s level? He’d die of old age before he got there.


Bullshit. Base Goku (end of Z when he is at his SSJ3 level - begginig of the Buu saga) would solo his ass. Oh and his Son style >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superman’s klurkor.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 10. Q. “Goku could get the dragoinballs and wish him dead!"
A. No. he can’t. First and foremost, like with the kryptonite argument, it’s something he wouldn’t do in the first damned place, because he’d want as close to a fair fight as he could get. Secondly . . . that’s too powerful a wish for the balls to grant. They couldn’t kill Vegeta and Nappa at the beginning of the Saiyan Saga. it damn sure wouldn’t work against Superman. Finally, with the speed Superman has, he wouldn’t LET Goku gather said balls.


What do you mean close to a fair fight as he’d get? GOKU’S the one holding back here buddy. I agree with point #2. Point 3? BS. Goku’s speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superman’s and I’m not counting IT...

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 11. Q. “Superman fanboys!"
A. Actually many of this thread’s regulars are fans of Superman AND DBZ. I, personally, like DBZ more than Superman.


Doesn’t seem like it. The majority of your fanboys haven’t even heard of DBZ so they go to wiki and try to act as of they know shit about DBZ. They’re not even Supes savants, I mean they just cut and paste random feats from nowhere. Feats aren’t fucking fair to use as Goku ONLY HAS ONE WRITER.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 12. Q. “Kamhehame ha! Superman can only punch!"
A. Umm . . . heat vision that reignited a sun?


Umm...heat vision that would never even TOUCH Goku? And even if it did, it’d scorch him at worst (full power, brief contact) I mean if Goku just stood there then Superman wuld burn a hole in him but it would take a while and it ain’t gonna happen since Goku wouldn’t just stand there.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 13. “You can’t close a black hole!"
A. Prove it. Besides, real world science doesn’t apply to comic books.


You try to make it apply to our manga. Oh and that feat’s non-canon.

omg u guys r stupid wrote: 14. “OMG! SSJ5!"
There is no SSJ5. There is no DBAF. It’s a fan fiction. Reference it at your peril.


*YAWN* Prime, Pre-Crisis, Red & Blue, Silver Age, Gold Age, Red Sun, Alterverse, Earth 2 and more versions of Supes are NON-CANON. Only Post-crisis is canon.


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Sir SeanConnery wrote: You know, i voted for Goku in this topic before, but i think I’ll have to reconsider, because of something i just realized;

Goku and all the DBZ characters use energy based attacks, and saiyan or other ability to fight, and it is well known that they are strong. But it is also well known, that fighting itslef takes extraordinary amounts of their energy, just fighting makes them tired, and every energy blast depletes their strength. While Goku has been exhausted to the point of defeat from combat before, Superman has not.

Goku’s energy attacks take energy, while Supermans can put out a continuos stream of heat vision almost effortlessly. I think that Superman may be able to outlast Goku here, but still.... I’m not sure.
grin Bam,.


So DD didn’t like devestate Supes in a brief period? The only way for Goku to run out of power is use SSJ3 for a hella prolonged period of time but the SOB didn’t lose power and maintained it against the strongest villain of the series, Kid Buu. Besides Goku’s energy consumption is permanent, he can heal it back pretty fast.


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Incorrect, Numbers Are Coming Str8 From The Maker Of DBZ.

Its Not My Fault You Don’t Know Simple Math.



And Roshi’s Powerlevel of 139 is from the manga.


Trackz wrote:

TheUltimateSaiyanBroly wrote: THE MATH BEHIND LOGIC

Gokus 1st super transformation pl “150,000,000” Divided By master roshi’s powerlevel “139” = 1,079,136.6906474820143884892086331

this is the difference between them

proof is when you multiply 1079136.6906474820143884892086331 by 139 it becomes 150,000,000

so if goku is 1,079,136 what roshi was when he blew up the moon..and this is goku when he 1st transformed way weaker then later.. then you could say that goku ss at the end of frieza saga could blow up 1,079,136 moons

or divide this by 3.7 the difference between the moon and planet earth and you get the amount of earths he could destroy in a flash.. which is

291,658.56503986000388878086719813

Goku When He 1st Transformed Into A Super Saiyan Could Blow Up:

291,658 Planet Earths

SIMPLE!


numbers are coming from no where, goku has never demonstrated that kind of power simple


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