chibikins wrote:
Word of mouth is all we have on these things, there is no way to prove it 100% and how could it be a boast when it isn’t Hao’s attack but an X-laws? It did instantly get there it looked liked in one image. You’d have to except it or not except it. I don’t know who that is but let’s see some Ichigo scans. If Ichigo is so great then you should have NO problem showing why he owns then.
Only problem is... There’s no evidence to support that it’s light speed. For example, I believe Uryuu’s energy arrows reach Ichigo in a single frame at one point, they’re made of pure energy. Would be equivalent to a laser. Had Uryuu boasted that those arrows moved at the speed of light, would you consider Ichigo’s reaction speed to be the speed of light since he dodged it? I seriously doubt it because Ichigo has never shown such a speed at any other point in the manga.
If you’ve go scans at various other points to back up the claim, then yes. He can react at the SOL. However, if it’s a one time thing it’s most likely a hyperbole statement, a bluff.
Once again, it could be a hyperbole statement and would normally be treated as one. You have to show it, or else his reflexes or speed aren’t SOL. =/
http://www.onemanga.com/Shaman_King/232/19/
It was claimed to be light speed and we see in one panel it’s already on the ground, which is what we expect to see if it was actually light speed. Expecially since it was from space.
Once again, it could be a hyperbole statement and would normally be treated as one. You have to show it, or else his reflexes or speed aren’t SOL. =/
http://www.onemanga.com/Shaman_King/232/19/
It was claimed to be light speed and we see in one panel it’s already on the ground, which is what we expect to see if it was actually light speed. Expecially since it was from space.
Once again, it could be a hyperbole statement and would normally be treated as one. You have to show it, or else his reflexes or speed aren’t SOL. =/
http://www.onemanga.com/Shaman_King/232/19/
It was claimed to be light speed and we see in one panel it’s already on the ground, which is what we expect to see if it was actually light speed. Expecially since it was from space.
I refer you again to what I said about Ishida’s spirit arrows.
Once again, it could be a hyperbole statement and would normally be treated as one. You have to show it, or else his reflexes or speed aren’t SOL. =/
http://www.onemanga.com/Shaman_King/232/19/
It was claimed to be light speed and we see in one panel it’s already on the ground, which is what we expect to see if it was actually light speed. Expecially since it was from space.
this means what to your argument?
That was the laser stated to be the speed of light. As you can see it is from space, and that is exactly what you expect to see if it was light speed. a one panel already on the ground.
Once again, it could be a hyperbole statement and would normally be treated as one. You have to show it, or else his reflexes or speed aren’t SOL. =/
http://www.onemanga.com/Shaman_King/232/19/
It was claimed to be light speed and we see in one panel it’s already on the ground, which is what we expect to see if it was actually light speed. Expecially since it was from space.
I refer you again to what I said about Ishida’s spirit arrows.
Let’s see the scan. Note it’s different since Hao is not talking about his own attack but let’s see the scan anyway
Once again, it could be a hyperbole statement and would normally be treated as one. You have to show it, or else his reflexes or speed aren’t SOL. =/
http://www.onemanga.com/Shaman_King/232/19/
It was claimed to be light speed and we see in one panel it’s already on the ground, which is what we expect to see if it was actually light speed. Expecially since it was from space.
this means what to your argument?
That was the laser stated to be the speed of light. As you can see it is from space, and that is exactly what you expect to see if it was light speed. a one panel already on the ground.
Once again, it could be a hyperbole statement and would normally be treated as one. You have to show it, or else his reflexes or speed aren’t SOL. =/
http://www.onemanga.com/Shaman_King/232/19/
It was claimed to be light speed and we see in one panel it’s already on the ground, which is what we expect to see if it was actually light speed. Expecially since it was from space.
this means what to your argument?
That was the laser stated to be the speed of light. As you can see it is from space, and that is exactly what you expect to see if it was light speed. a one panel already on the ground.
So this is light speed
and this?
Cool except those look like game mechanics and they were never stated to be light speed...
Same principle. It is never stated how much time elapsed from panel to panel and there fore you cannot assume it is instant or the equivalent in LS calculation
Chaos Theory wrote:
Same principle. It is never stated how much time elapsed from panel to panel and there fore you cannot assume it is instant or the equivalent in LS calculation
Based on the statement about it being light speed it is a pretty good guess it is. Why would they say he couldn’t dodge it? He reads the minds so that’s how he figured out how fast it was anyway. So yes we actually can, what you showed me is not only game mechanic but it didn’t have a stated speed, unlike the laser which is not a game mechanic an had a stated speed.
Chaos Theory wrote:
Same principle. It is never stated how much time elapsed from panel to panel and there fore you cannot assume it is instant or the equivalent in LS calculation
Based on the statement about it being light speed it is a pretty good guess it is. Why would they say he couldn’t dodge it? He reads the minds so that’s how he figured out how fast it was anyway. So yes we actually can, what you showed me is not only game mechanic but it didn’t have a stated speed, unlike the laser which is not a game mechanic an had a stated speed.
I’m sorry but that still doesn’t cut it, your argument holds water like a cup with a hole in it.
Chaos Theory wrote:
Same principle. It is never stated how much time elapsed from panel to panel and there fore you cannot assume it is instant or the equivalent in LS calculation
Based on the statement about it being light speed it is a pretty good guess it is. Why would they say he couldn’t dodge it? He reads the minds so that’s how he figured out how fast it was anyway. So yes we actually can, what you showed me is not only game mechanic but it didn’t have a stated speed, unlike the laser which is not a game mechanic an had a stated speed.
I’m sorry but that still doesn’t cut it, your argument holds water like a cup with a hole in it.
I don’t see why not. I don’t see how you can say it’s NOT light speed and I don’t even know what you consider proof. I mean, certain people have certain levels in which they need the proof....You know what I mean? I think you are honestly holding the standard far too high for a comic book. It’s not like they are made with these things in mind or anything.
Chaos Theory wrote:
Same principle. It is never stated how much time elapsed from panel to panel and there fore you cannot assume it is instant or the equivalent in LS calculation
Based on the statement about it being light speed it is a pretty good guess it is. Why would they say he couldn’t dodge it? He reads the minds so that’s how he figured out how fast it was anyway. So yes we actually can, what you showed me is not only game mechanic but it didn’t have a stated speed, unlike the laser which is not a game mechanic an had a stated speed.
I’m sorry but that still doesn’t cut it, your argument holds water like a cup with a hole in it.
I don’t see why not. I don’t see how you can say it’s NOT light speed and I don’t even know what you consider proof. I mean, certain people have certain levels in which they need the proof....You know what I mean? I think you are honestly holding the standard far too high for a comic book. It’s not like they are made with these things in mind or anything.
This is the same exact thing as the Itachi problem. Itachi proclaims that you have to have a Sharingan to beat him.
We know this is BS. Pein and Naruto would more likely then not beat Itachi.
But Itachi said that nobody without one could. And it was Sasuke that beat him.
This guy states that it’s light speed, and it’d dodged. All you need to do to prove it right is to show Hao dodging more light speed attacks.
If you can’t, it WILL be considered a hyperbole statement. Which means it’s a typical case of a character overstating their power.
I believe Raditz also said that his birdie attack was light speed as well. And we know that’s BS too.
Chaos Theory wrote:
Same principle. It is never stated how much time elapsed from panel to panel and there fore you cannot assume it is instant or the equivalent in LS calculation
Based on the statement about it being light speed it is a pretty good guess it is. Why would they say he couldn’t dodge it? He reads the minds so that’s how he figured out how fast it was anyway. So yes we actually can, what you showed me is not only game mechanic but it didn’t have a stated speed, unlike the laser which is not a game mechanic an had a stated speed.
I’m sorry but that still doesn’t cut it, your argument holds water like a cup with a hole in it.
I don’t see why not. I don’t see how you can say it’s NOT light speed and I don’t even know what you consider proof. I mean, certain people have certain levels in which they need the proof....You know what I mean? I think you are honestly holding the standard far too high for a comic book. It’s not like they are made with these things in mind or anything.
Holding a standard too high, no not really. I say it’s a hyperbole because you nor any of the other Hao supporters have provided anything that substantiates the claim of light speed. If I were to believe this I would also have to accept that only a sharingan user can beat Itachi, see where I went with this
Chaos Theory wrote:
Same principle. It is never stated how much time elapsed from panel to panel and there fore you cannot assume it is instant or the equivalent in LS calculation
Based on the statement about it being light speed it is a pretty good guess it is. Why would they say he couldn’t dodge it? He reads the minds so that’s how he figured out how fast it was anyway. So yes we actually can, what you showed me is not only game mechanic but it didn’t have a stated speed, unlike the laser which is not a game mechanic an had a stated speed.
I’m sorry but that still doesn’t cut it, your argument holds water like a cup with a hole in it.
I don’t see why not. I don’t see how you can say it’s NOT light speed and I don’t even know what you consider proof. I mean, certain people have certain levels in which they need the proof....You know what I mean? I think you are honestly holding the standard far too high for a comic book. It’s not like they are made with these things in mind or anything.
This is the same exact thing as the Itachi problem. Itachi proclaims that you have to have a Sharingan to beat him.
We know this is BS. Pein and Naruto would more likely then not beat Itachi.
But Itachi said that nobody without one could. And it was Sasuke that beat him.
This guy states that it’s light speed, and it’d dodged. All you need to do to prove it right is to show Hao dodging more light speed attacks.
If you can’t, it WILL be considered a hyperbole statement. Which means it’s a typical case of a character overstating their power.
I believe Raditz also said that his birdie attack was light speed as well. And we know that’s BS too.
Except with the speed of light we actually have real science to back up it’s speed, and it’s not the same thing as Hao is not stating his power, he is stating the power of another’s attack. In this case speed. And no Raditz never said that, only in the anime did Piccolo claim Raditz was FTL. Also Hao is not stating only something in his particular universe is the only thing to beat him or block the attack. So it’s hardly the same thing.
Chaos Theory wrote:
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Chaos Theory wrote:
Same principle. It is never stated how much time elapsed from panel to panel and there fore you cannot assume it is instant or the equivalent in LS calculation
Based on the statement about it being light speed it is a pretty good guess it is. Why would they say he couldn’t dodge it? He reads the minds so that’s how he figured out how fast it was anyway. So yes we actually can, what you showed me is not only game mechanic but it didn’t have a stated speed, unlike the laser which is not a game mechanic an had a stated speed.
I’m sorry but that still doesn’t cut it, your argument holds water like a cup with a hole in it.
I don’t see why not. I don’t see how you can say it’s NOT light speed and I don’t even know what you consider proof. I mean, certain people have certain levels in which they need the proof....You know what I mean? I think you are honestly holding the standard far too high for a comic book. It’s not like they are made with these things in mind or anything.
Holding a standard too high, no not really. I say it’s a hyperbole because you nor any of the other Hao supporters have provided anything that substantiates the claim of light speed. If I were to believe this I would also have to accept that only a sharingan user can beat Itachi, see where I went with this
Read the above. It’s not the same thing as Hao is not stating his own attack speed but his oppenents. Why is he going to lie about his OPPONENT’s attacks?
Chaos Theory wrote:
Still besides the point he could be stroking his ego. Unless you have more proof the claim doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
Another problem is if there is one circuit to malfunction it can throw your tech off
That is not in Hao’s character to stroke his ego. He knows he is the most powerful being on the planet besides the G.S of course. But that is GOD. So he is second only to GOD himself basically. Hao’s character is to be little weaker oppenents. Hence, “So small..." so he would never over estimate his oppenent. He might under estimate them, but he has only done that with Anna, and his Furiyoku was low. So you can’t just say he was stroking his ego, Also Hao is a more tragic villain. Not the ego stroking type. His oppenents are just not even 1/10 of his power usually. His strongest oppenent he one shotted in less than three seconds.
Yeah, except that they never mention their was a malfunction, so while that would be valid if they did, they didn’t.
