Count Bleck wrote:
Except with the speed of light we actually have real science to back up it’s speed, and it’s not the same thing as Hao is not stating his power, he is stating the power of another’s attack. In this case speed. And no Raditz never said that, only in the anime did Piccolo claim Raditz was FTL. Also Hao is not stating only something in his particular universe is the only thing to beat him or block the attack. So it’s hardly the same thing
What’s the difference between Piccolo stating Raditz to be FTL and Hao stating something to be the speed of light?
Both are hyperbole statements because neither and backed up with any other feats.
I rest my case. Hao isn’t FTL or SOL unless you can back it up with more then just the single instance.
Still your LS argument has about the same chances of Starscream beating Megatron.
This bores me. I’ll check back later to see if there is anything I actually need to dig scans out for, until that happens this is open and shut for Ichigo
Count Bleck wrote:
Except with the speed of light we actually have real science to back up it’s speed, and it’s not the same thing as Hao is not stating his power, he is stating the power of another’s attack. In this case speed. And no Raditz never said that, only in the anime did Piccolo claim Raditz was FTL. Also Hao is not stating only something in his particular universe is the only thing to beat him or block the attack. So it’s hardly the same thing
What’s the difference between Piccolo stating Raditz to be FTL and Hao stating something to be the speed of light?
Both are hyperbole statements because neither and backed up with any other feats.
I rest my case. Hao isn’t FTL or SOL unless you can back it up with more then just the single instance.
You are using non canon filler to support your argument. So it’s not much of a good argument.
Chaos Theory wrote:
Still your LS argument has about the same chances of Starscream beating Megatron.
This bores me. I’ll check back later to see if there is anything I actually need to dig scans out for, until that happens this is open and shut for Ichigo
Laters
You’ll have to prove that to me later then, because from what I’ve heard Ichigo gets curbstomped.
Count Bleck wrote:
Except with the speed of light we actually have real science to back up it’s speed, and it’s not the same thing as Hao is not stating his power, he is stating the power of another’s attack. In this case speed. And no Raditz never said that, only in the anime did Piccolo claim Raditz was FTL. Also Hao is not stating only something in his particular universe is the only thing to beat him or block the attack. So it’s hardly the same thing
What’s the difference between Piccolo stating Raditz to be FTL and Hao stating something to be the speed of light?
Both are hyperbole statements because neither and backed up with any other feats.
I rest my case. Hao isn’t FTL or SOL unless you can back it up with more then just the single instance.
You are using non canon filler to support your argument. So it’s not much of a good argument.
It really doesn’t matter if it’s canon or not. It was still stated, still said, and will largely be considered a hyperbolic statement unless you can prove otherwise dude.
Sorry, but “he said this and that” doesn’t cut it in a debate. You’ve got to back it up. I’m sure I could go through and find even more instances where something or somebody was stated to be FTL that we can pretty much prove that they’re not.
Count Bleck wrote:
Except with the speed of light we actually have real science to back up it’s speed, and it’s not the same thing as Hao is not stating his power, he is stating the power of another’s attack. In this case speed. And no Raditz never said that, only in the anime did Piccolo claim Raditz was FTL. Also Hao is not stating only something in his particular universe is the only thing to beat him or block the attack. So it’s hardly the same thing
What’s the difference between Piccolo stating Raditz to be FTL and Hao stating something to be the speed of light?
Both are hyperbole statements because neither and backed up with any other feats.
I rest my case. Hao isn’t FTL or SOL unless you can back it up with more then just the single instance.
You are using non canon filler to support your argument. So it’s not much of a good argument.
It really doesn’t matter if it’s canon or not. It was still stated, still said, and will largely be considered a hyperbolic statement unless you can prove otherwise dude.
Sorry, but “he said this and that” doesn’t cut it in a debate. You’ve got to back it up. I’m sure I could go through and find even more instances where something or somebody was stated to be FTL that we can pretty much prove that they’re not.
No it DOES matter because American dubs don’t cut it. It is NOT in the Japanese version only the funimation dubs. Don’t tell me that holds the same kind of water as a canon feat. Also he stated his oppenents powers that he be littles. You are holding way to high a standard for a manga character dude. Regardless, he still oversouls at lightning speed which means he has to actually think at those speeds, throw in that he can read minds and that anywhere with oxygen is a hazard for Ichigo’s very existance and we got Hao winning.
Show me those scans where it states the actually speed of light in numbers too and then blocking an attack and it can’t be the person stating THEIR attack is light speed, because Hao stated his oppenents. Which is different.
Count Bleck wrote:
I am going to talk to my GF now, I want to see some scans since just saying Ichigo could win and saying all those claims doesn’t mean anything to me.
I not going to post anything until you prove that I need too.
Secondly before I get off for the evening I’m going to use your own logic against you. You claim that he is FTL because of the claim that the attack was LS therefore I present that shunpo and sonido have been called instant. Ichigo has defended against attacks that stem from the use of Shunpo and sonido. With that said Ichigo must be much faster then light since instant is faster then the speed of light
Count Bleck wrote:
I am going to talk to my GF now, I want to see some scans since just saying Ichigo could win and saying all those claims doesn’t mean anything to me.
I not going to post anything until you prove that I need too.
Secondly before I get off for the evening I’m going to use your own logic against you. You claim that he is FTL because of the claim that the attack was LS therefore I present that shunpo and sonido have been called instant. Ichigo has defended against attacks that stem from the use of Shunpo and sonido. With that said Ichigo must be much faster then light since instant is faster then the speed of light
True. Definition of Shunpo as given by Youroichi (sp?) is instantaneous movement over an undetermined distance in a single step.
Therefore, by the same logic used here all Bleach Soul Reaper are FTL and through Sonido, all high class Hallow are FTL. And Uryuu, regrettably, is also FTL.
Oh and, Chad reacted to sonido. So he’s FTL too, right?
Yep with those little techs sure. You know Hao can teleport too. No big deal. Lots of characters in fictions teleport and react. Hao could read his mind any way and anywhere there is oxygen, Ichigo can die via his soul being destroyed.
chibikins wrote:
Yep with those little techs sure. You know Hao can teleport too. No big deal. Lots of characters in fictions teleport and react. Hao could read his mind any way and anywhere there is oxygen, Ichigo can die via his soul being destroyed.
Did you just say that they’re faster then light? Even though it’s been proven time and time again that they’re not?
chibikins wrote:
Yep with those little techs sure. You know Hao can teleport too. No big deal. Lots of characters in fictions teleport and react. Hao could read his mind any way and anywhere there is oxygen, Ichigo can die via his soul being destroyed.
Did you just say that they’re faster then light? Even though it’s been proven time and time again that they’re not?
With those little teleport abilities? Yeah. Teleporting /=speed though. Even Goku has instantanious movement with his little teleport ability.
chibikins wrote:
Yep with those little techs sure. You know Hao can teleport too. No big deal. Lots of characters in fictions teleport and react. Hao could read his mind any way and anywhere there is oxygen, Ichigo can die via his soul being destroyed.
Did you just say that they’re faster then light? Even though it’s been proven time and time again that they’re not?
With those little teleport abilities? Yeah. Teleporting /=speed though. Even Goku has instantanious movement with his little teleport ability.
It’s not teleporting. It’s not FTL. It was an example.
chibikins wrote:
Yep with those little techs sure. You know Hao can teleport too. No big deal. Lots of characters in fictions teleport and react. Hao could read his mind any way and anywhere there is oxygen, Ichigo can die via his soul being destroyed.
Did you just say that they’re faster then light? Even though it’s been proven time and time again that they’re not?
With those little teleport abilities? Yeah. Teleporting /=speed though. Even Goku has instantanious movement with his little teleport ability.
01. Shunpo and Sonido aren’t teleportation, they are rapid instant movement.
.02 If you realy insist on that then Ichi spee blitz and hands Hao his head
.03 Cid said it best
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07 Apr 2009 11:08 am
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Chaos Theory wrote:
chibikins wrote:
Cid wrote:
chibikins wrote:
Yep with those little techs sure. You know Hao can teleport too. No big deal. Lots of characters in fictions teleport and react. Hao could read his mind any way and anywhere there is oxygen, Ichigo can die via his soul being destroyed.
Did you just say that they’re faster then light? Even though it’s been proven time and time again that they’re not?
With those little teleport abilities? Yeah. Teleporting /=speed though. Even Goku has instantanious movement with his little teleport ability.
01. Shunpo and Sonido aren’t teleportation, they are rapid instant movement.
.02 If you realy insist on that then Ichi spee blitz and hands Hao his head
.03 Cid said it best
01. lol thats teleportation. Instant movement is teleportation
02. Nope because guess what? Hao has pre prog which means he can see the future and he has mind read meaning he can mind read. Besides that he thinks at lightning speed considering he oversouls at that speed, if you don’t want to accept the light speed thing.
ya, if you need proof for the mind reading,
just look at the same scan that we put the light speed thing on...
he reads the person’s mind to come to that conclusion...
and im sure chibi has some scans on the Pre Prog also...
Archangel Azrael wrote:
ya, if you need proof for the mind reading,
just look at the same scan that we put the light speed thing on...
he reads the person’s mind to come to that conclusion...
and im sure chibi has some scans on the Pre Prog also...
