Krillin vs. Wonder Woman is a much closer fight than Goku/Wonder Woman

Outliers.

What I’m posting is the norm.

Wonder Woman struggles with Cheetah?

She should, that’s her most iconic rival.

Wonder Woman struggles with Deathstroke and Cheshire? That falls in line with Cheetah.

Combat speed? There are maybe 3-4 instances in Wonder Woman’s career where she operates at Krillin’s level.

Getting knocked out by City levelers? That’s about where she normally operates, Wonder Woman will never be seen tanking planetary level destruction.


Wonder Woman would be a good fight for Krillin. I give Krillin the nudge because he’s got better combat speed and is the more skilled and efficient fighter.

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Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: Outliers.

What I’m posting is the norm.

Wonder Woman struggles with Cheetah?

She should, that’s her most iconic rival.

Wonder Woman struggles with Deathstroke and Cheshire? That falls in line with Cheetah.

Combat speed? There are maybe 3-4 instances in Wonder Woman’s career where she operates at Krillin’s level.

Getting knocked out by City levelers? That’s about where she normally operates, Wonder Woman will never be seen tanking planetary level destruction.


Wonder Woman would be a good fight for Krillin. I give Krillin the nudge because he’s got better combat speed and is the more skilled and efficient fighter.

Since when was Krillin ever planet buster? No.
So. Is that why Krillin got almost knocked out attack that barely covered few miles by Vegeta?
And getting his ass kicked by Recoome who is nowhere close to Superman.

Do you think Krillin ever surpassed Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga?

Because I’ve seen you use a character statement in another thread and based on character statements, if Krillin hit the planet with his most powerful kamehameha (I think Krillin surpassed Vegeta’s Saiyan Saga state by the end of the Frieza saga) it’s dead.

And I’m pretty sure Recoome is a lot stronger than you give him credit for, not necessarily Superman, but he probably hits harder than Wonder Woman.

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Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: Do you think Krillin ever surpassed Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga?

Because I’ve seen you use a character statement in another thread and based on character statements, if Krillin hit the planet with his most powerful kamehameha (I think Krillin surpassed Vegeta’s Saiyan Saga state by the end of the Frieza saga) it’s dead.

And I’m pretty sure Recoome is a lot stronger than you give him credit for, not necessarily Superman, but he probably hits harder than Wonder Woman.

We don’t try to assume too much in debate.
Show Recoome’s strength feats close to Wondy.

Show Thanos strength feats close to Wonder Woman.

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Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: When you see Wonder Woman flip over Captain Marvel, you can’t help but feel sorry for Krillin? Why? Billy Batson isn’t a trained martial artist.

Being a martial artist got nothing to do with it. Don’t try avoid the point.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: When you see Superman break Wonder Woman’s wrists with ease, you can’t help but feel sorry for Krillin? Why? Superman could break Krillin’s wrists as well.

What you don’t seem to get that even though her wrist was broken, was still able to continue fighting and manage to hold him off and that’s against someone who is stronger than she is.

Would you stop thinking logically for a moment and look at things from the real perspective?

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: Maybe you can help me out here, I’m trying to figure out which would hurt worse, an energy beam from Raditz, or:



City busting space ship blast right there





Planet busting dynamite right there, Wonder Woman should have vibrated through the blast with her combat spe.... oh, my bad, Wonder Woman isn’t very fast.

Hmm...these pics show very differently:

Along with Flash, saving 900 people in a few seconds:

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228652_speedan6/

Creating a vortex:

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228640_500x792.jpg

Moved so fast, Green Lantern OR Flash didn’t see her. Martian Manhunter even had to use his Martian vision:

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/19/1228651_558x768.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228641_600x921.jpg

Not very fast you say?

Would you stop thinking logically for a moment and look at things from the real perspective?

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: You know, for someone who’s alledgedly (by people who don’t read comics) capable of mopping the floor with Krillin’s blood, Wonder Woman sure does have problems with DC’s female Wolverine.

*snip*

Cheetah’s only as fast and as strong (read: not very) as a Cheetah, Wonder Woman should have used those light speed combat abilities and planet moving punches to tear her a new one. LOL you fanboys are nuts. You all should really try to read the comics before commenting on them.

lol How long ago was that, RMR?

Would you stop thinking logically for a moment and look at things from the real perspective?

Go2movies wrote:

Being a martial artist got nothing to do with it. Don’t try avoid the point.

So you’re saying Karate Kid or even Batman couldn’t use leverage to flip Captain Marvel? I’m fairly certain Batman did just that when he and Superman fought Hawkman and Captain Marvel.

Go2movies wrote:
What you don’t seem to get that even though her wrist was broken, was still able to continue fighting and manage to hold him off and that’s against someone who is stronger than she is.

That’s what happened when you’re the more skilled fighter. See Krillin vs. Piccolo, Krillin vs. Nappa and Krillin vs. Frieza. And according to Never Give Up, Wonder Woman’s as strong as Superman, therefore, she should be able to destroy him thanks to her skill. Not the case.

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Go2movies wrote:

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: Maybe you can help me out here, I’m trying to figure out which would hurt worse, an energy beam from Raditz, or:



City busting space ship blast right there





Planet busting dynamite right there, Wonder Woman should have vibrated through the blast with her combat spe.... oh, my bad, Wonder Woman isn’t very fast.

Hmm...these pics show very differently:

Along with Flash, saving 900 people in a few seconds:

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228652_speedan6/

Creating a vortex:

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228640_500x792.jpg

Moved so fast, Green Lantern OR Flash didn’t see her. Martian Manhunter even had to use his Martian vision:

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/19/1228651_558x768.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228641_600x921.jpg

Not very fast you say?

Moving so fast Green Lantern doesn’t see you isn’t impressive, especially since it’s Kyle Rayner. They’re only limited to human reflexes. Moving so fast Yamcha doesn’t see you would be more impressive.

Martian Manhunter had to use Martian Vision, because, I don’t know, she’s all the way in the stratosphere?

Flash wasn’t even paying attention to Wonder Woman and had just got done IMPing or whatever. Why are you lying about scans now?

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Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:

So you’re saying Karate Kid or even Batman couldn’t use leverage to flip Captain Marvel? I’m fairly certain Batman did just that when he and Superman fought Hawkman and Captain Marvel.

Are you saying Captain Marvel is weak? He’s shown to be at least Superman’s equal. To say that Batman would do what WW did is absurd.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:

That’s what happened when you’re the more skilled fighter. See Krillin vs. Piccolo, Krillin vs. Nappa and Krillin vs. Frieza. And according to Never Give Up, Wonder Woman’s as strong as Superman, therefore, she should be able to destroy him thanks to her skill. Not the case.

She’s close to him and simply being skilled isn’t enough if someone is stronger, faster, and more durable.

Would you stop thinking logically for a moment and look at things from the real perspective?

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:

Moving so fast Green Lantern doesn’t see you isn’t impressive, especially since it’s Kyle Rayner. They’re only limited to human reflexes. Moving so fast Yamcha doesn’t see you would be more impressive.

Yet according to you, WW’s speed is crappy. Are you changing that now?

Plus, Yamcha was nothing. Didn’t he win like one fight throughout the entire series? lol

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: Martian Manhunter had to use Martian Vision, because, I don’t know, she’s all the way in the stratosphere?

Which just shows how far she went.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: Flash wasn’t even paying attention to Wonder Woman and had just got done IMPing or whatever. Why are you lying about scans now?

I didn’t lie about anything. You just acknowledged what happened in the scans so don’t go there.

One minute we see WW with them, next we see her in outerspace and Flash, who was right next to her, didn’t noticed she was gone, yes, that’s pretty impressive.

Would you stop thinking logically for a moment and look at things from the real perspective?

Yamcha’s won fights against people below his level. Anything else he’s lost. Tien, Muten Roshi, Saibamen, etc.

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Go2movies wrote:

Are you saying Captain Marvel is weak? He’s shown to be at least Superman’s equal. To say that Batman would do what WW did is absurd.

Not really, strength doesn’t have much to do with flipping people, it’s leverage. We’ve seen Captain America flip the Hulk under a writer as respected as PAD, so Batman could very easily flip Captain Marvel over.

Go2movies wrote:
She’s close to him and simply being skilled isn’t enough if someone is stronger, faster, and more durable.

If she’s close to him, she should be fucking him up, instead of getting fucked up.

She’s not close to him, stop being such a XX. A person who’s close to another person’s power does not allow said person to snap their wrists like they’re pimples.

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Go2movies wrote:
Yet according to you, WW’s speed is crappy. Are you changing that now?

Where does it even look like I’m changing my stance? You continue to show absolute 0 knowledge of the character you’re debating, why do you continue? Someone who’s obviously more knowledgeable is telling you things that’s generally been agreed upon by writers and the more knowledgeable fanbase and you continue to post the same 4 scans over and over again.

Go2movies wrote:
Plus, Yamcha was nothing. Didn’t he win like one fight throughout the entire series? lol

It kind of reminds me how every time Wonder Woman fights an established hero outside of her own little continuity, she gets handled.

Go2movies wrote:
Which just shows how far she went.

Flying straight up =/= combat speed.

Go2movies wrote:
I didn’t lie about anything. You just acknowledged what happened in the scans so don’t go there.

You lied about everything, or, you’re really that delusional. It’s one or two.

Go2movies wrote:
One minute we see WW with them, next we see her in outerspace and Flash, who was right next to her, didn’t noticed she was gone, yes, that’s pretty impressive.

It’s not impressive at all, you don’t even know the context of your scans, GAWD. Flash was fighting the fast white martian (I think his name was Zom) while Wonder Woman was fighting whatever the white martian bitch’s name was, Flash got done fighting and ran back, when he ran back, Wonder Woman was already in space and he just wondered where she went.

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Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:

Not really, strength doesn’t have much to do with flipping people, it’s leverage. We’ve seen Captain America flip the Hulk under a writer as respected as PAD, so Batman could very easily flip Captain Marvel over.

If you go by PIS.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:

If she’s close to him, she should be fucking him up, instead of getting fucked up.

What part of “holding back” do you not understand?

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: She’s not close to him, stop being such a XX. A person who’s close to another person’s power does not allow said person to snap their wrists like they’re pimples.

Unless that person is said to be stronger than the other.

Also, you dodged my question earlier. How long ago did that happen?

Would you stop thinking logically for a moment and look at things from the real perspective?

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:

Where does it even look like I’m changing my stance?

Because you continuously downplay her speed feats, posting scans of her much slower than she usually is. In this case, you didn’t actually try to dispute her speed, just came up with bogus excuses for why Flash didn’t see her.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: You continue to show absolute 0 knowledge of the character you’re debating, why do you continue? Someone who’s obviously more knowledgeable is telling you things that’s generally been agreed upon by writers and the more knowledgeable fanbase and you continue to post the same 4 scans over and over again.

You say I have no knowledge when you just said that Wonder Woman is not close to Superman, which is BASIC knowledge? You say Wonder Woman has no combat speed when she I already showed you a scan of her using it? And the many other speed feats she has that indicates that she does? Please, don’t give me that mess. It’s obvious you’re just bias against Wonder Woman and your argument shows it.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: It kind of reminds me how every time Wonder Woman fights an established hero outside of her own little continuity, she gets handled.

When there’s crossovers, there are bound to be some PIS.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:

Flying straight up =/= combat speed.

That wasn’t your point at first.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
I didn’t lie about anything. You just acknowledged what happened in the scans so don’t go there.

You lied about everything, or, you’re really that delusional. It’s one or two.

Or more accurately, neither. I didn’t lie about anything.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: It’s not impressive at all, you don’t even know the context of your scans, GAWD. Flash was fighting the fast white martian (I think his name was Zom) while Wonder Woman was fighting whatever the white martian bitch’s name was, Flash got done fighting and ran back, when he ran back, Wonder Woman was already in space and he just wondered where she went.

Nope. He was wondering what happened to Primaid and even IF what you said was true (which I doubt), it still shows how fast she moved.

Would you stop thinking logically for a moment and look at things from the real perspective?

Go2movies wrote:

If you go by PIS.

AKA, you don’t like it so it can’t happen, despite the multiple times it has, under far more respected opinions then yourself.

Go2movies wrote:
What part of “holding back” do you not understand?

You can beat the shit out of someone while holding back, see Krillin vs. that Fat dude in the budokai.

Go2movies wrote:
Unless that person is said to be stronger than the other.

Which is my point, Wonder Woman is nowhere near as strong as Superman. This is backed by years upon years of canon, and Wonder Woman’s greatest showing ever against Superman being her getting her ass beat across the solar system and the writer apologizing and elaborating why she was able to even survive.

But a few retards read a scan that guestimated Wonder Woman’s strength as Superman class once so she’s a peer to him.

Go2movies wrote:
Also, you dodged my question earlier. How long ago did that happen?

How long ago did what happen? Sacrifice? That was in 2005.

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Go2movies wrote:

Because you continuously downplay her speed feats, posting scans of her much slower than she usually is.

No, you’re wanking her, posting the same 4 scans we always see posted when Wonder Woman’s speed comes into question (all that’s missing is, MEET ME AT MACH 2 STRAIGHT LINE LOLZ). I’m providing scan after scan after scan of Wonder Woman sucking in combat speed, and the only thing you can say is, you don’t like them so they don’t count. Wonder Woman has terrible combat speed, her getting hit by opponents with human level speed is the norm. Hell, her most iconic rivals are fucking Giganta, Cheetah and Ares, 3 guys who aren’t even faster than Quicksilver.

Go2movies wrote:
In this case, you didn’t actually try to dispute her speed, just came up with bogus excuses for why Flash didn’t see her.

Bogus excuses? You posted two scans that were pages apart from each other and made a borderline retarded claim.

I’m chalking it up to the fact that you haven’t even read the comic (which is sad, given how popular it is) you’re citing.

Go2movies wrote:

You say I have no knowledge when you just said that Wonder Woman is not close to Superman,

And she isn’t.

Go2movies wrote:
You say Wonder Woman has no combat speed when she I already showed you a scan of her using it?

You misrepresented a showing and ignored the plethra of scans I’ve provided you in this very topic.

Go2movies wrote:
It’s obvious you’re just bias against Wonder Woman and your argument shows it.

*YAWNNNN* you must be a woman, only that can explain the irrationality in your thought process.

Go2movies wrote:
When there’s crossovers, there are bound to be some PIS.

When there’s a crossover, there is bound to be some in-character fighting.

Go2movies wrote:
That wasn’t your point at first.

That’s always been my point, moron.

Go2movies wrote:
Or more accurately, neither. I didn’t lie about anything.

Yes you did, you selectively scanned a fight and completely misrepresented the showing. That’s either lying, or somebody lied to you.

Go2movies wrote:
Nope. He was wondering what happened to Primaid and even IF what you said was true (which I doubt), it still shows how fast she moved.

It also shows that she didn’t dazzle Flash with her speed, like you lied and said she did.

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Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:

AKA, you don’t like it so it can’t happen, despite the multiple times it has, under far more respected opinions then yourself.

Innaccurate opinions that are similar to your own, that is.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:

You can beat the shit out of someone while holding back, see Krillin vs. that Fat dude in the budokai.

Bad example. That guy was FAR weaker than Krillin so that’s no surprise. In this case, the person who’s holding back is not stronger than the other one.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:

Which is my point, Wonder Woman is nowhere near as strong as Superman. This is backed by years upon years of canon, and Wonder Woman’s greatest showing ever against Superman being her getting her ass beat across the solar system and the writer apologizing and elaborating why she was able to even survive.

“Nowhere near as strong” yet many times, she’s actually helped Superman lift many things, such as the Spectre.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote: But a few retards read a scan that guestimated Wonder Woman’s strength as Superman class once so she’s a peer to him.

They are using the right scans, unlike you.

Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
How long ago did what happen? Sacrifice? That was in 2005.

No, I’m talking about the her fight with Cheetah.

Would you stop thinking logically for a moment and look at things from the real perspective?