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11 Jul 2006 09:10 pm
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go to reliks.com or museumreplicas.com. These two companies carry Windlass Steel products, which are top of the line and crafted to the original standards, as close as possible. Sizes and weights are given for all of their functional, battle ready blades. 20 to 30 pounds? I don’t think so.

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11 Jul 2006 09:17 pm
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those r tiny ass swords

look how thin they r
they aren’t gonna cut through heavy armor

for heavy armor u need heavy weapons

unless u have layered weapons


the europians had both heavy and light weapons

light weapons for more lightly armored people

heavy for heavy armored people



u can’t just say all europian swords r light just because 2 companies do 1 europian style

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11 Jul 2006 09:25 pm
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The Revered wrote: I collect authentic, battle-ready swords. My Hand-and-half sword is made of carbon steel, has a ten inch grip, 2 inch round pommel, and weighs 4 and a half pounds. I also have a gothic breastplate, made of sixteen guage steel, with epaullettes and a gorget. It weighs 35 pounds, and IS OF POOR QUALITY. Poor quality, display weapons are always heavier and poorly balanced. I practice swordsmanship. I am not weak. 4 pounds is a lot to swing around for
any period of time. Try it and you’ll see. For fuck sake kid, I am a carpenter, my 1 and a half pound framing hammer gets heavy after a day’s work. If you think that 20 pounds is not that heavy, you are on crack. I take swords very seriously, so hearing somebody tell others that THEY are wrong when you obviously know nothing about the reality of the art of swordsmanship really rubs me the wrong way. Get your facts straight.


u got it all wrong

i’ve swung 4 lbs. and i didn’t get tired

i have stinken REAL samurai swords that weigh more than 4 lbs.

4 lbs. is not heavy
littl kids go around swinging fake swords that weigh more than 4 lbs. and they don’t get tired as fast as u claim u do swinging a 4 lb. sword
im not talking bout the extremely cheap plastic ones

a real japanese knife that’s about over a foot long and 4 inches high weighs 4 lbs.

a light sword would weigh mroe than that

and a heavier and thicker sword would weigh way more


the swords u r showing r not thick ones


there r all kinds of swords
not just the ones ur 2 companies make



and i highly doubt ur a swordman

anybody can claim that

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You are wrong. About it all. End of story.

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u r wrong

not all swords r thin and puny like the ones u go crazy over
i have swords thicker than the ones u have

u can’t assume all swords r the same just because u collect a certain style

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We are talking about knights wielding a knight’s sword. They were no heavier than 8 pounds at most. IT IS NOT PRACTICAL TO WIELD A 20 POUND SWORD. And yes, you can cleave armour with a well made, light-weight sword. It’s about the edge, and the person wielding the sword, not the weight.

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12 Jul 2006 10:46 pm
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the swords weren’t layored
that’s y they used bigger swords

it’s not about the edge

butcher knives aren’t that sharp
they use the weight to cut the meat

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I might start sounding like a know-it-all or an out and out liar, but the truth, swear on my mother, is that I was a meat-cutter for 4 years. Butcher knives are VERY sharp, and light.

To make a correction, last night I was tired. A sword will not cleave through full plate mail. Chain, or light scale, but not a breast plate. That’s why, with the advent of full plate in the late middle ages, the sword became a weapon of self-defense and duelling, not war. Professional soldiers went to battle with lances, flails, maces and hammers, which were all capable of crushing and piercing plate mail.

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13 Jul 2006 07:20 pm
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i know someone with a degree in cooking

and butcher knives cut using weight
obviously they r not as heavy as u think i meant
but they r big for a reason
weight

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13 Jul 2006 07:31 pm
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Online Predator wrote: i know someone with a degree in cooking

and butcher knives cut using weight
obviously they r not as heavy as u think i meant
but they r big for a reason
weight

I think you are thinking of a cleaver.

Butcher’s Knife


Cleaver


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13 Jul 2006 08:39 pm
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Precisely weeman.

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13 Jul 2006 08:57 pm
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I think it’s a common mistake. When one thinks of a butcher, they think of a guy chopping meat with a cleaver. Naturally, if one doesn’t know the name of the knife, they would assume it is called a butcher’s knife because it is used to chop meat and/or bones. Which is what butchers do.

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Or the Butcher from Diablo.

“Ahh, fresh meat...“

Man that was scary the first time...

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no, that’s a victorian style butcher’s knife

though ti looks more like a carvign knife or small boning one

in my kitchen there’s some big Asian butcher knives
there’s many different styles

plus the cleaver is also proof that weight is used to cut too

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here’s an example of a knife that uses weight to cut and edge

http://www.knifemerchant.com/images/products/tn/macSDK-85.jpg

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13 Jul 2006 09:16 pm
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and if u’ll notice by pickign up certain knives that they how they are weighted
not to mention how the grips are
so that it is held a certain way

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13 Jul 2006 09:41 pm
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Okay, as I said before, my facts were a bit out of line, my 20 pound broadsword (which is around 5 1/2 ft long) was a ceremonial blade, after looking back through my books, I came to realize that most english broadswords weigh anywhere from 5-15 lbs depending on size and quality, a full set of high density steel plate mail armor weighs about 55-60 pounds, the chain mail to go undernethe can weigh anywhere from 10-20 lbs.

That’s the truth, straight from my history book, but the point is, a Samurai is still more mobile than a Knight, Samurai didn’t wear heavy armor, their armor wasn’t even full bodied. The Katana only weighed about 3 lbs tops, so that still made it lighter than a Knights Broadsword.

Also, let’s not forget that the Katana is one of the best Swords to fight with, they’re sharp enough to slice a bullet in half, if one could cut a bullet in two then slicing though some armor wouldn’t be a problem.

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13 Jul 2006 09:50 pm
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Cid wrote: Okay, as I said before, my facts were a bit out of line, my 20 pound broadsword (which is around 5 1/2 ft long) was a ceremonial blade, after looking back through my books, I came to realize that most english broadswords weigh anywhere from 5-15 lbs depending on size and quality, a full set of high density steel plate mail armor weighs about 55-60 pounds, the chain mail to go undernethe can weigh anywhere from 10-20 lbs.

That’s the truth, straight from my history book, but the point is, a Samurai is still more mobile than a Knight, Samurai didn’t wear heavy armor, their armor wasn’t even full bodied. The Katana only weighed about 3 lbs tops, so that still made it lighter than a Knights Broadsword.

Also, let’s not forget that the Katana is one of the best Swords to fight with, they’re sharp enough to slice a bullet in half, if one could cut a bullet in two then slicing though some armor wouldn’t be a problem.

It’s not that hard to slice a bullet in half. Bullets are made of lead. Lead is soft enough to misshape with bare hands.

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13 Jul 2006 09:54 pm
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Still though... I think it would be easy to pierce plate armor with a sharp sword.

I just thought the bullet slicing thing was cool though lol

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Cid wrote: Okay, as I said before, my facts were a bit out of line, my 20 pound broadsword (which is around 5 1/2 ft long) was a ceremonial blade, after looking back through my books, I came to realize that most english broadswords weigh anywhere from 5-15 lbs depending on size and quality, a full set of high density steel plate mail armor weighs about 55-60 pounds, the chain mail to go undernethe can weigh anywhere from 10-20 lbs.

That’s the truth, straight from my history book, but the point is, a Samurai is still more mobile than a Knight, Samurai didn’t wear heavy armor, their armor wasn’t even full bodied. The Katana only weighed about 3 lbs tops, so that still made it lighter than a Knights Broadsword.

Also, let’s not forget that the Katana is one of the best Swords to fight with, they’re sharp enough to slice a bullet in half, if one could cut a bullet in two then slicing though some armor wouldn’t be a problem.


exactly, it depends on the style and the size
plus what they make it out of

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