Bottom line, many of you (Pat Robertson-religious right-Jerry Falwell-etc) ARE trying to force your beliefs on us, and trying to turn this nation into a theocracy. No better than the Muslims you attack. And that is why the world is so hostile towards Christians, because of the pushy ignorant ones. I’m not saying that it’s right to judge ALL Christians and the more liberal ones, because of this, though.
And despite all that hooplah you just brought, I didn’t see ANY proof that YOUR faith is right and everyone who thinks or believes in something different is WRONG and will burn in hell. I just hearda bunch of hot air.
Oh, and I half think their is a God. I’m an agnostic theist. meaning that though think it’s impossible to prove anything, I lean towards some type of higher force existing. Just that with all the faiths in the world that have about equal (none) proof, it’s ludicrous to base our entire lives around what we think he wants.
look, its true that some people who share our common belief go to extreme levels to try and force Christianity on other people, its called conformity, and it is wrong, God never asked us to be that way. nor would He want us to act as such.
now, i respect ure view as an agnostic theist, i may not agree with u, but i respect u as a person who has a take on life thru an opinion that for him has proven itself worthy enough to define his perception, but this is not the point.
the point is, Christians may not always do what their beliefs dictate they should (no ones perfect, except for God). but forget about these lunatics who have no consciece or sense of direction (theyre just using whatever method THEY think is best for spreading the gospel, this is truly a general statement, im not entirly sure that the method im using to talk to u is proving effective, but i have faith in it, so i continue implementing it).
now, as for ure thinking as to there being no evidence to support anything, that is whats so impressive about Christianity, and why it works, we believe in a god that cannot be seen, but we still have faith in Him, and worship Him. that is true faith, believing in something that u cannot see or hear, or feel, or touch. heres an example u should consider: the air we breath is invisible, we cant see it, we cant really touch it, or hear it, but we believe that its there, we believe that itll still be there to sustain us whenever we take our next breath. same principle with God, we believe He’ll be there when we need Him most.
and as for another take on lack of evidence, have u ever seen a sunset on a minimally cloudy evening? when the sun turns them red and pink and all sorts of colors, i want u to do something, go watch the sunset tonight, watch how wonderful and peaceful it makes the places around it, and after u see all it does, tell me, to my face, that a supreme being, that a master, that the master, could not have created such a magificant work of art, or for an even more enpowering example, look at the human body, look at what it does, what it can do, the body always knows how to care for itself, it can heal, it can grow, it can re-produce, also look at the brain and the nervus system, see how it can send signals to the brain faster than the speed of light, how it interprets every feeling u can ever expose ureself to, see how the brain is, how it produces thought, movement, how it put any computer to shame, how it lets u see, lets u see the world around u, lets u read what i have just written, how the brain does what it does is beyond anything of this earth, after considering EVERYTHING that the body can do, i want u, i dare u to tell me to my face, that it happened by chance or accident and that someone above and beyond our understanding or perception, did not put it all there for a reason.
in conclusion, i challenge u to read the Bible, in the book of Job, chapter 38, The Lord speaks to Job about the very principle i just discussed.
it reads: (btw, i came back to say, after having
spent 10 minutes typing it all that this is
a long passage, but id encourage u to read it,
u may very well get a new take on life after-
ward, please take some time to go over it all)
Then the Lord answered Job out of the storm. He
said:
“Who is this that darkens my counsel
with words without knowledge?
Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
“Where were you when I laid the earth’s
foundation?
Tell me if you understand.
Who marked off its dimernsions? Surely you
know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footing set,
or who laid its cornerstone-
while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
“Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
when I fixed locks for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
when I said, 'This far you may come and no
farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
“Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment,
The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
“Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the shadow of
death?
Have you comprehended the vast expanses of
the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
“What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years! (sarcasm)
“Have you entered te storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
What is the way to the place where the
lightning is despersed,
or the place where the east winds are
scattered over the earth?
Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
to water a land where no man lives,
a desert with no one in it,
to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and to make it sprout with grass?
Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
From whos womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
“Can you blind the beautiful Pleiades?
Can you loose the cords of Orion?
Can you bring forth the constellations in their
seasons
or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s dominion over the
earth?
“Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
Who endowed the heart with wisdom
or gave understanding to the mind?
Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the
heavens
when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
“Do you hunt the prey for the loiness
and satisfy the hunger of the loins
when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?"
wow, i really went on a roll there.
sorry about spamming mods, please dont delete, its Gods word.
but anyway, if uve read all that (sorry again),
then whats hapening is God is challengind Job,
and He is saying, “You think you are so great
and perfect, tell me this- can you do these things?" stuff like that, in this passage, God is actually being sarcastic, because He is showing Job who is the person who has done all of
this, who has command and jurisdiction over all
these things, things we could never hope to
control or accomplish.
ok, any questions? i do hope ive enparted some wisdom in apending 10 minutes copying a statment.
the next couple of chapters cover pretty much the same stuff, id suggest reading them, (Job,
chapters 38, 39, and 40) ok, so now that ive
gone out of my way trying to empart wisdom,
let me go back and re-phrase, so u dont get the wrong idea....
but anyway, if uve read all that (sorry again),
then whats hapening is God is challengind Job,
and He is saying, “You think you are so great
and perfect, tell me this the answer to this, can you do these things?" stuff like that, in this passage, God is actually being sarcastic, because He is showing Job that He (God) is the only being who is the person who has done all of
this, who has command and jurisdiction over all
these things, things we could never hope to
control or accomplish.
ok, sorry about not being clear back there, my bad.
but anyway, if uve read all that (sorry again),
then whats hapening is God is challengind Job,
and He is saying, “You think you are so great
and perfect, tell me this the answer to this, can you do these things?" stuff like that, in this passage, God is actually being sarcastic, because He is showing Job that He (God) is the only being who has done all of
this, that He alone has command and jurisdiction over all
these things, things we could never hope to
control or accomplish.
Kane is Back:
Allright, putting the fanatics aside, you’re right, it is impressive that christianity can have so many followers without a shred of evidence, it’s like the perfect scam or something, millions of people give money to churches, and ask for nothing in return, how wonderful. You’re comparing air to god? Lets see here, you can freeze carbon dioxide and get dry ice, seems like i can see it then, or better yet heat air up real hot and you can see steam, or on a cold day exhale and you can see your breath, all air, and you can see them all. But last i checked you cant free rainbows and sunshine and all that crap and see little tiny gods wandering around.
So you’re saying that because there are things that can be considered beautiful in this world it’s proof of god? Pardon my furthur skepticism. Ooh, a dare, alright, lets see how i do. I think that...... I think that we........ I think that we and the rest...... I think that we and the rest of the universe was created by accident. Whew, that was a toughy. Although thats not technically to your face, since im writting on a message board.
Woah woah woah, back up a sec, did you just use a passage about Job to explain why you think god is real? The same Job that god his house torn down, family killed, and all that other crap, even though he beleived in god, and worshipped him daily? That story makes me think christianity is bunk even more, cause it basically says “beleive in god, worship him, and be a good christian, and someday you too can have your house torn down and children raped.
The Bible itself says God created evil (“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." — Isa. 45:7). Genesis 2 says the tree of knowledge of good and evil existed in Eden before Adam and Eve interacted with it, implying that evil existed from the beginning. And God pronounced it good.
Kane you don’t seem to understand. you can NOT JUDGE! our lord will decide the fate of all soles not you!
if in his divine right he decides to bring in gays and Jews , that is his right! he decides who stays and who goes!
you seem to like to quote the Holly Book our lord so this is a passage I bring form me to you Kane:
“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
also Weasel, stop throwing that word (Fuck) around!
My appologies if i sounded angry or condescending, im really tired, and i have to take my brothers place at an engagement, so i wont be able to go to bed for about 6 more hours.
her heads off, they did that to an insent little girl. those fucking basterds!!!!!!!!!!! THOUSE FUCKING BASTERDS!! I FILL LIKE SQUASHING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE FUCKING ASS BASTERDS!!!!!!! I FILL LIKE RIPPING THERE SKIN OFF!!!!!!!!! I FILL LIKE SCUPING THERE EYES OUT!!!!!!! I FILL LIKE CUTTING OFF THERE REPURDUCTIVE ORGENS AND FEEDING THEM TO DOGS WHILE THEY WATCH!!!!!!!!!!
WHY ARE THEY LETTING THEM DO THAT!!!!!!! THOSE FUCKING BASTERDS!!!!!!! THEY SHOULD BE SHOT IN THE HEAD INFRUNT PF EVERY BODY!!!!! NOOOOOO THEY SHOULD BE DESMEMBERD IN FRUNT OF EVERY BODY!!!!
quakeless1, ure misinterpreting my post completely, first off, God didnt do all that stuff to Job, that was satans doing, if u read the first part of the book, ull find that Job was such a faithful servant of God, that God spoke well of him, and proclaimed that Job was an unshakable servant, but satan came along and condescended that he could make Job curse Gods name if he were broken enough, so God ALLOWED (He didnt persecure Job, he allowed satan to TEST Jobs faith). God allowed satan to do whatever he wanted to Job, on the condition that satan not kill him.
and as for ure thinking we came to be by chance and accident, i got another verse for u (dont worry, its short),
in the book of Psalms, chapter 100, verses 1-3,
we find this:
Shout joyfully to the Lord,
all the earth. Serve the Lord with gladness;
come before Him with joyful singing.
Know that the Lord Himself is God; it is He
who has made us, and not we ourselves;
we are His people and the sheep of His pasture.
the word of the Lord,
thanks be to God.
and Raccon, i am not judging anyone, i never have. if i have in any way emphasized anything u deem unapropriate, please point it out, im not ALWAYS correct in my methods. but i am not judging, i am not here to judge, i am here to deliver a message, a message of what The Bible says will be judgement to those who have not accepted Christ, i am quoting Gods holy book, nothing more.
i will pray for u all who are here and have not accepted Christ. i pray u find Him soon, before judgement comes knocking. make no mistake, our time is almost up.
So Muhatma Gandhi’s in hell, (when he had no Adolph Hitler could have made it to heaven for asking for forgiveness? Is that the system? Regardless, this thread is going off topic. The topic was that Christians saying that they are being persecuted for not receiving special rights is ridiculous.
|Damn computer erased half my post. Meant to say this:
So Muhatma Gandhi’s in hell, (when he had no proof that his faith was the wrong one to pick), but Adolph Hitler could have made it to heaven for asking for forgiveness? Is that the system? Regardless, this thread is going off topic. The topic was that Christians saying that they are being persecuted for not receiving special rights is ridiculous.
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