| 19 Feb 2006 07:53 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0  Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1,149 OFFLINE | Maybe explosions give off energy, but do they create stuff like rocks and planets? --- “Dying men have said, “I am sorry I have been an atheist, an infidel, an agnostic, a skeptic, or a sinner”; but no man ever said with his last breath, “I am sorry I have lived a Christian life." “The wages of sin is death- quit before payday.“ | |
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| 19 Feb 2006 07:57 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6  Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,602 OFFLINE | "but do they create stuff like rocks and planets?"
Evey thing is made of energy, there are two types.
kinetic and potential.
if all objects are made of energy, it is logical to assume that they were created by energy. --- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it." | |
| 19 Feb 2006 08:00 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0  Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1,149 OFFLINE | Ok. Go blow up your backyard numerous times and tell me when you create something other than a big hole. I’ll wait. --- “Dying men have said, “I am sorry I have been an atheist, an infidel, an agnostic, a skeptic, or a sinner”; but no man ever said with his last breath, “I am sorry I have lived a Christian life." “The wages of sin is death- quit before payday.“ | |
| 19 Feb 2006 08:03 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6  Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,602 OFFLINE | "Go blow up your backyard numerous times and tell me when you create something other than a big hole”
well i suppose if my backyard was in an empty void, and you were immortal, then it would probably take about 2-4 seconds. --- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it." | |
| 20 Feb 2006 01:15 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2 Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | Someone who cares.... wrote:
Ok. Go blow up your backyard numerous times and tell me when you create something other than a big hole. I’ll wait.
You would have a large hole but the matter that was once inside the hole will have just spread out to other places. All the energy in the hole still exists, it’s just not where it was before. --- The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | |
| 20 Feb 2006 02:06 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0  Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1,149 OFFLINE | Maybe so, but did you create anything with explosions? Do you have anything new in your backyard? Other that the big hole. --- “Dying men have said, “I am sorry I have been an atheist, an infidel, an agnostic, a skeptic, or a sinner”; but no man ever said with his last breath, “I am sorry I have lived a Christian life." “The wages of sin is death- quit before payday.“ | |
| 21 Feb 2006 02:17 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12  Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 4,157 OFFLINE | God-believer 1, athiest 0
Fact is that God is just a euphamism or term to describe a creative force. Forget christianity, hinduism, islam, etc. God as a concept is fundamentally scientifically logically and spiritually correct. Something creates something. There is no other way or option to look at other than this. All the finer details, the big mystical conundrums, the hypocrisies in organized religions, etc, are beside the point.
I personally dont subscribe to organized religion, or try to debate all the dogmatic issues related inside a religion or when compared to other religions, but the basic precept of a God (creative force) is a truth that is proven every day in every way scientifically logically emotionally whateverally. --- Look into my eyes and hate me. Part animal, part machine...remain calm, prepare to destroy.
Monochromat. | |
| 21 Feb 2006 11:10 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2 Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | gg wrote:
God-believer 1, athiest 0
Fact is that God is just a euphamism or term to describe a creative force. Forget christianity, hinduism, islam, etc. God as a concept is fundamentally scientifically logically and spiritually correct. Something creates something. There is no other way or option to look at other than this. All the finer details, the big mystical conundrums, the hypocrisies in organized religions, etc, are beside the point.
I personally dont subscribe to organized religion, or try to debate all the dogmatic issues related inside a religion or when compared to other religions, but the basic precept of a God (creative force) is a truth that is proven every day in every way scientifically logically emotionally whateverally.
The concept of god to most is not a creative force. In fact, most people refer to god as a “he” and a “him”. And they describe god as if he were a person. So I understand what your trying to say but your wrong about most peoples basic precept of god. --- The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | |
| 21 Feb 2006 02:52 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 7  Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,644 OFFLINE | Atresac wrote:
I was once a Christian, and prayed to God. He never answered my prayers. If he is real why are there homeless people? Why are there starving kids in Africa? Why in New Orleans demolished? Why are all the good people in the world murdered? If that’s God’s work we have one twisted God I can tell you that.
The reason we have Homeless people is because of our mistakes, if we didn’t sin then we wouldn’t have problems like this. God alowed for people to become homeless for a reason, I can’t tell you what that reason is but he did it for a reason, he never does anything without reason. ---
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| 21 Feb 2006 02:58 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 7  Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,644 OFFLINE | Weasel 16 wrote:
“Go blow up your backyard numerous times and tell me when you create something other than a big hole”
well i suppose if my backyard was in an empty void, and you were immortal, then it would probably take about 2-4 seconds.
You can’t prove that. If you could then I would’t be a Christen anymore. With God you don’t have to prove he is real it’s called “Fath” you don’t have to belive God is real but it doesn’t change the truth. Say a man say “I don’t belive their is such things as cars” and he walks onto the road he is going to be hit by a car, know why? Because it doesn’t matter if you say Cars aren’t real, it’s the same way with God. ---
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| 21 Feb 2006 04:25 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6  Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,602 OFFLINE | "Maybe so, but did you create anything with explosions? Do you have anything new in your backyard? Other that the big hole."
did you even read my last post? or is this just a egocentric mind game you learned in the church of “Our lady of Perpetual Suffering” that was made up by an evangelical shit head that doesnt know the difference between a pentagram and the elemental star? --- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it." | |
| 21 Feb 2006 07:11 pm |
proffessor Guest | Wow, it is nice to know that “Oddball is cool” is a Christian. | |
| 21 Feb 2006 07:16 pm |
GOOGLE_QUEEN Guest | Oddball is cool wrote:
Weasel 16 wrote:
“Go blow up your backyard numerous times and tell me when you create something other than a big hole”
well i suppose if my backyard was in an empty void, and you were immortal, then it would probably take about 2-4 seconds.
You can’t prove that. If you could then I would’t be a Christen anymore. With God you don’t have to prove he is real it’s called “Fath” you don’t have to belive God is real but it doesn’t change the truth. Say a man say “I don’t belive their is such things as cars” and he walks onto the road he is going to be hit by a car, know why? Because it doesn’t matter if you say Cars aren’t real, it’s the same way with God.
Thats what it takes for some .. only after they were HIT by cars only then would they believe that maybe they existed .. (its the same case for people that don’t have enough faith to believe in god) | |
| 21 Feb 2006 08:18 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0  Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1,149 OFFLINE | Yes, it is a sad thing. Many people only repent on their death beds, when they had their whole life to do it. --- “Dying men have said, “I am sorry I have been an atheist, an infidel, an agnostic, a skeptic, or a sinner”; but no man ever said with his last breath, “I am sorry I have lived a Christian life." “The wages of sin is death- quit before payday.“ | |
| 21 Feb 2006 09:49 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2 Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | Not everyone is given that chance. Stop tricking your brain into thinking that everyone has a fair chance to do that. --- The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | |
| 21 Feb 2006 09:54 pm |
proffessor Guest | It is very simple. If the person does not get to know about Jesus, which is very inprobable, he/she will be judged by his/her consience. Remember, God is perfect, and He is the perfect judge. | |
| 21 Feb 2006 09:56 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2 Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | So he treats people differently. He’s letting some people use their conscience and some of them can’t. Yeah real, fair loving and equal eh? --- The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | |
| 21 Feb 2006 10:02 pm |
proffessor Guest | Yep, those who don’t get to know the truth, are going to be judged by their consience. And that is very fair, and equal. That is how people who lived before christ, and were not Jews are going to be judged. God is the master of everybodies concience.
And if you can’t prove evolution, you might as well take you and you’re beliefs elsewhere. All you have to do is click the little X button, and never come back! | |
| 22 Feb 2006 12:23 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2 Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | proffessor wrote:
Yep, those who don’t get to know the truth, are going to be judged by their consience. And that is very fair, and equal. That is how people who lived before christ, and were not Jews are going to be judged. God is the master of everybodies concience.
And if you can’t prove evolution, you might as well take you and you’re beliefs elsewhere. All you have to do is click the little X button, and never come back!
God is the master of everyones conscience eh? Well once again, That disproves the theory of free will. If god is the master of our conscience and our lives are predetermined, we don’t have free will. --- The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | |
| 22 Feb 2006 08:17 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12  Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 4,157 OFFLINE | Black Hydra Xc wrote:
gg wrote:
God-believer 1, athiest 0
Fact is that God is just a euphamism or term to describe a creative force. Forget christianity, hinduism, islam, etc. God as a concept is fundamentally scientifically logically and spiritually correct. Something creates something. There is no other way or option to look at other than this. All the finer details, the big mystical conundrums, the hypocrisies in organized religions, etc, are beside the point.
I personally dont subscribe to organized religion, or try to debate all the dogmatic issues related inside a religion or when compared to other religions, but the basic precept of a God (creative force) is a truth that is proven every day in every way scientifically logically emotionally whateverally.
The concept of god to most is not a creative force. In fact, most people refer to god as a “he” and a “him”. And they describe god as if he were a person. So I understand what your trying to say but your wrong about most peoples basic precept of god.
I never actually said that most people see him as a creative force. I never actually said that organized religion has progressed in its thinking somewhat of what/who God is other than some old man or being.
What I said was that God IS a creative force, and anything beyond that, like the finer details, is unknown/unknowable. But anyone who believes God doesn’t exist is mistaken in that there is a creative intelligent force (and nature) that IS Life itself. To deny that is ignorant. --- Look into my eyes and hate me. Part animal, part machine...remain calm, prepare to destroy.
Monochromat. | |
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