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hey SWC this is kinda off topic but in what point in christian history does god show that he loves christians

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Yea it is. Insects evolve immunity topesticides. That is evolution.

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I’m back, but I may be gone for a while after this... Busy...


" I don’t understand how you can even for a second believe the adam and eve story...

YOU CANNOT RECREATE A SPECIES FROM ONLY TWO OF THAT SPECIES... get that through your head and accept the fact that the adam and eve story is impossible... "



Actually, the human race was recreated from 8 people after the Flood. But the race STARTED with 2 people, yes. What would make it seem so impossible? (Remember: people way back then lived like 900 years)



“Eh, same old same old, and yourself?"



Me? Well, I’m good, still like you would remember me from earlier posts, but I have learned a few more things about evolution after reading an article and watching a few debates, so be prepared...



“And as opposed to them being buried by say, or currents in the ocean, or a rockslide, or anything like that it immediatly points to a global flood?"


See, local floods, or ocean currents, don’t have enough pressure to fossilize a creature. It takes a TREMENDOUS force to form a fossil, and a global flood has this. I believe that most fossils were formed by the global flood, but a few may have been formed by other catastrophes.



“From that website you like to post, wow, the bible says there are a lot of stars, what a major astrological breakthrough! Notify the presses!"



Hey, at least it’s not a scientific contradiction...



“Once again, WOAH! They noticed that the sun and the moon move, that the sea and the waves roar, and that the stars and moon provide light in the night. Holy hell, how could i ever question the bibles tremendous impact on science!"


The point of that post was not to show how the Bible impacted science. The point was to show that the Bible is scientifically accurate, so you can trust the presuppositions Creationists' take from it about Creation. Again, it’s not a scientific contradiction, so we can trust the scientific content. But of course, the Bible’s main focus was NOT science, the main focus was God’s love to send Jesus so that mankind could be saved, to show the line through which Jesus came, to show the many miracles God did, etc...



“From what i gather from this, the bible is saying that the wind is on a circular path, in other words it seems like it’s saying that the wind migrates like birds. WOAH, another major acheivement! Inform the scientific community!"



The Bible described the air circulation, this is again consistent with science, that’s the whole point, the Bible’s consistency with science, not new scientific discoveries... But the Bible did mention the earth being round before people thought up of that...



“This proves NOTHING of fluid dynamics, and the fact that it implies the air has weight means nothing as well, you can say that the air has weight by the fact that things move in the wind."



I’ll quote that site for what they had right after those verses, “The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.[1] (If you are a physics enthusiast, please ignore our omission of the terms mass, gravity, and density from this comment.)"




“Alright, so in hebrew round can mean different things, SO? Because of the way the bible was interpretted anyone who said the earth was round was considered a heretic, only in hindsight is the bible reinterpretted. Science said it first, but because of the vague wording in the bible you jump out and claim the glory for it."



Point is that the Bible and science go hand in hand, you can trust the Bible of scientific matter, as well as historical matter, geographical matter, and spiritual and moral matter. I’m not claiming any glory, but the fact is that the Bible mentioned the round shape of the earth before people discovered that shows that the Bible was God inspired, because man didn’t even believe the earth was round then.



“The fact that if a brother and sister have sex there baby will come out deformed with mental problems”





Actually, it doesn’t HAVE to be that way. In fact, many species of animals have come about from just a few beginning parents, without having defects.




“Yeah just don’t claim that wikapedia is an absolute source of truth.... like some people did on some term papers.... Just like the bible there is good information and bad information on the web, you just need to learn how to sort through it if you want to be closer to a truth in accuracy....."



You can trust the Bible, it’s God inspired.

As for wikepedia, I DON’T trust it, I think I looked up something one time there and it was biased for evolution.



“hey SWC this is kinda off topic but in what point in christian history does god show that he loves christians”



It’s not just Christians God loves, God loves everyone, but not their actions. When God sent Jesus to be sacrificed for our sins, this showed His love for His Creation, us.



“Yea it is. Insects evolve immunity topesticides. That is evolution."




Not macroevolution, there was no genetic code information added, and the insects remained insects. Insects may become resistant to pesticides from being exposed to them, but nothing will save them when the sledge hammer comes down...






Ok, I want to make my once and for all speech on why I don’t think that Theistic evolution could be right, the belief that God started the evolution process, or made the beginning substances, etc. Alright, if you believe in Theistic evolution, then I think we have different gods. I mean, why would God use a random process, pure chance, 99.9% harmful mutations, and some billions of years to make the universe with evolution? That just seems odd! My God, the One and Only true God, made His Creation very well, in six days flat. That’s the God I praise and worship. Not the Theistic evolution god.

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"Me? Well, I’m good, still like you would remember me from earlier posts, but I have learned a few more things about evolution after reading an article and watching a few debates, so be prepared... wink "

Eh, dont count on my taking part in this board much longer, im leaving for college in a few days and my internet capabilities are, well..... limited.

“See, local floods, or ocean currents, don’t have enough pressure to fossilize a creature. It takes a TREMENDOUS force to form a fossil, and a global flood has this. I believe that most fossils were formed by the global flood, but a few may have been formed by other catastrophes. "

If i may quote something
“For about 3000 million years, life was present only in the oceans. The oldest fossils are therefore of marine creatures. When marine animals or plants died, their remains accumulated on the sea floor where they were buried by mud, sand or silt. Over very long periods, these sediments became sedimentary rock, and the animal or plant remains became encased in the rock."
So, i still dont see how fossilized remains could be on top of mount everest, seeing as how the water would have only been there for what, a max of 80 days according to the bible?(not 40 days and nights, but 40 days of raining, and then 40 days or so for the water to recede.). Even then why would those mollusks be swept up if it started raining? I mean, they’re present IN the ocean, and the water level only rised, so unless the flood took the guise of a giant wave, then there wouldn’t be enough force from the rising water to put them up there.

“Hey, at least it’s not a scientific contradiction... "

It’s not a contradiction, no, neither is it a revalation, it’s on the same level of saying that ice is clear, or that snow is cold, no it’s not a contradiction, but a child could have come to the same conclusions.

“The point of that post was not to show how the Bible impacted science. The point was to show that the Bible is scientifically accurate, so you can trust the presuppositions Creationists' take from it about Creation. Again, it’s not a scientific contradiction, so we can trust the scientific content. But of course, the Bible’s main focus was NOT science, the main focus was God’s love to send Jesus so that mankind could be saved, to show the line through which Jesus came, to show the many miracles God did, etc... "

Once again, the bible is as scientifically accurate as a child saying that snow is cold, it’s SIMPLE SCIENCE.

“The Bible described the air circulation, this is again consistent with science, that’s the whole point, the Bible’s consistency with science, not new scientific discoveries... But the Bible did mention the earth being round before people thought up of that... "

Again, if that quote is even talking about global air circulation then it i EXTREMELY OVER SIMPLIFIED, even then it’s not entirely accurate.

“I’ll quote that site for what they had right after those verses, “The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.[1] (If you are a physics enthusiast, please ignore our omission of the terms mass, gravity, and density from this comment.)" "

And like i said, the air can seem to have weight by seeing a tree move in the wind, the quote says nothing ABOUT the weight of air, if it gave a rough estimate of the weight then fine, but as i said before this verse is VERY broad, and can mean many things to different people.

“Point is that the Bible and science go hand in hand, you can trust the Bible of scientific matter, as well as historical matter, geographical matter, and spiritual and moral matter. I’m not claiming any glory, but the fact is that the Bible mentioned the round shape of the earth before people discovered that shows that the Bible was God inspired, because man didn’t even believe the earth was round then. "

First sentence, debateable, but i dont feel like it right now. Second sentence, many cultures beleived the world was round before the bible, some of the native americans near where i live have the creation story that says the earth was a disc, others say it was a mudball, so what if the bible said the earth was round, other cultures said it was too. And the fact that the bible said ROUND still disturbes me.

And if i may cut in on the incest argument you’re having, yes, there is adverse effects to incest. While not in the first generation maybe, the generations afterword, maybe, the more generations that are interbred, the higher the chances of genetic defects, birth defects, sterility, and so on and so forth.

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Too much to read, otherwise I would’ve stated my thoughts.

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SWC you cannot deny evolution you just cant accept it because its not in the bible plus its been proven mant times so get over it and God hates christians thats why he killed most of them and made christian existence shit

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What do you have agaisnt Christians? And wtf are you talking about? God (if there is one) probably wouldn’t hate Christians, so I seriously doubt he tried to kill them.

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Look at Trogdor. Now that’s evolution

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Christian history has nothing good in it just filled with war, povrty, and mass murder. It obvious god(when i say god i mean im going with the chance that hes real for now) tried to end christianity but the christians are to blind to see that now gods just trying to make the christians look bad so no one joins.

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Man did that, not God. This “life” is supposedly a test. God does not control man, he lets them think for themselves.

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LOL

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i dont think so christians say god acts threw men and thats what hes doing to the christians,if he exists that is

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God does not act through men. If you ask me that’s a bunch of BS but I do believe in God as well as evolution.

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"Not macroevolution, there was no genetic code information added, and the insects remained insects. Insects may become resistant to pesticides from being exposed to them, but nothing will save them when the sledge hammer comes down..."
You just don’t understand...
Evolution is evolution.
There is no macro and micro.
There’s evolution and evolution.
As far as I’m concerned, macro and micro are just used to undermine the fact that evidence for evolution has been found. There is no argument.

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Macro and Micro are subterms of evolution. Macro existing is enough proof of evolution.

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im pretty sure we can all agree on evolution exept SWC so maybe we shouldnt argue about the diffrence between macro and micro

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Dude, that is totally bs. Every religion has had it’s bad history. Look at the Holocaust, do you think God hates them and tried to kill them? Or are you so paranoid that you think God acted through Hitler to kill them? Every religion has been in war, every religion has been in poverty, every religion has had mass murder. If I applied your logic to every other religion, I can say God hates everyone and tried to kill everyone. But who are you to decide who God does and doesn’t hate? He could hate YOU for all you know.

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Oh my god. You people are wasting your time with SWC. He will never have conceptions that allow him to understand what your saying. He has blind faith and he has indeed been blinded by his faith.

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yes but christianity got it the worst

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Again, thats the result of MAN acting and NOT God.
God does NOT control man, he gives man his own choice to either be good or evil.