#121 21 Aug 2006 08:57 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2  Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 1,600 OFFLINE | the21gamer wrote:
Brain- You have obviously read close to nothing in the Star Wars universe.
1. Plasma technology is far outdated and pretty much useless.
2. Don’t combine Spartan and Covenant technology and it’s quite obvious the covenant has way better technology than the Spartans. If you think Spartan technology is more advanced than alien technology and not far behind Star Wars technology you have problems. Bullets are outdated and useless against the commando armor and shields. Not to mention the commando 3-in-1 weapon changes easily and does more damage than plasma and bullets can.
You are also forgetting taht Star Wars took place “A LONG time ago in a galaxy far far away..."
In other words the Spartans are far behind and since they have poor weaponry compared to teh commandos how they going to do any harm to them.
The commando guns are obviously strong enough to take out shield generators and with their guns taking out outdated Spartan shields isn’t going to be a problem. Not to mention the commando suit has a vibroblade. Vibroblades are strong enough to cut through shields.
Here’s some more advanced Star Wars technology.
“Demolition charges: These are command-detonated, variable yield, high explosive shaped-charges used for military demolitions purposes. Used to destroy targets that are either too large or too heavily armored to be effectively damaged with the commandos' handheld ranged weapons. These high-tech explosives are programmable with the built-in keypad to customize blast profile tamping based on the target type, thus maximizing the destructive efficiency upon detonation. Once placed, a commando takes a few moments to program and arm the charge. Upon arming, the squad leader can detonate them at will using a handheld remote detonator."
It can be set according to an enemy type and it is strong enough to take out large creatures and heavily armored enemies, that includes shielding.
"# DC-17m: Fully automatic rifle. The DC-17m is a light repeating blaster rifle capable of rapidly firing blaster bolts. Each power pack clip provides enough energy for 60 shots, and you may carry five clips. The blaster has two attachments expanding its use. In multiplayer this is the standard Republic gun.
# DC-17m Sniper Rifle Attachment: This attachment turns the DC-17m into an ion pulse sniper rifle. Its rate of fire is very much reduced, but it has higher power, accuracy, and an electromag scope (capable of scoping to 10x and 20x magnification). It uses a special high-discharge 5-round power pack; the player may hold 4 clips (for 20 rounds total).
# DC-17m Anti-Armor Attachment: A rocket propelled grenade attachment for the DC17m; it’s effective against Super Battle Droids and armored vehicles. The player can hold a maximum of four charges, which must be loaded individually after each shot.
# DC-15s Side Arm Blaster: A low-power pistol. It has a self charging dynamic energy cell that recharges at a slow but steady rate. It can only be fired five or six times consecutively before the user must pause to let the pistol replenish its ammunition."
Notice the sniper rifle has ion pulse, that means it can take out shields in one hit.
3. The commando suits do have shields that regenerate, more proof you are lacking knowledge in the Star Wars universe.
4. Wookies are as strong if not stronger than Spartans and commandos can beat them in hand-to-hand combat.
5. The Spartans are bigger and therefore are bigger targets and hand-to-hand isn’t going to happen because the Spartans would be shot down before they could even touch the commandos. What are the Spartan going to do? Run towards the commandos like berserkers?
6. The commando suit takes use of enhancers that enhance all the commando abilities so that their strength and speed can match those they are facing.
7. Also, didn’t most of the Spartans get wiped out by the covenant? That’s adaptation alright.
8. You have also mentioned dodging bullets. Are you saying Spartans can dodge the fire from commando with no cover whatsoever? That’s definitely overexagerating if you are because they woudl obviously get tired and can probably dodge only up to a few bullets before they need to find cover.
Also I hope you aren’t using MC for all your information because this is Spartans and MC isn’t a regular Spartan. If you bring him in I’ll bring Boba Fett or Jango in and you don’t want that because their suits are strong enough to take several direct hits from rocket launchers.
First, you abviously have no sense of the time scale in the Star Wars universe which I boviously displayed throuhg my arguement on hyprespace travel noting that Covenant technology has reached levels equivalent to approximately 10,000 years before Episode IV. You’re approximation that Star Wars took place “A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away” leaves alot to be desired.
Second, plasma technology may be outdated, but is hardly useless. Take for instance a jedi’s lightsaber which is constructed of highly concentrated plasma encased in a electromagnetic shell that takes the form if a blade. This ability to shape plasma is something both the Covenant, humans, and jedi all share. I would hardly consider a lightsaber “pretty much useless”.
the makeup of a lightsaber
Using plasma as a shield (like the Spartans do) would be a highly effective instrument do the resiliency and power it leands to a lightsaber.
Third, the explosives you highlight seem no more advanced that the TAC war-heads used by spartans on the battlefield against advanced mechanized units. They can do much more than take out large creatures and vehicales with shielding but have the same effect as an atomic bomb that is able to be carried like a backpack by a single Spartan.
Fourth, the ion pulse in the sniper rifle you refer to would be highly volitile to droids and other A.I. as it does disrupt electric signals;
ion weaponry
however, I don’t see what use it would be to a plasma shield. The only real effect it would have would be disrupt the comm channels between Spartan ground units, but it would only be strong enough to disable it for one unit. That would hardly be a tough job for Cortana to handle as she could easily re-patch the link in seconds.
Fifth, although Commando suits regenerate, so does Mjolnir VII armour, which makes it a moot point, but you do not make it clear as to what kind of shielding the Commandos have.
Clone Commando Equipment
I, on the other hand, did find out what they use and for the most part the armour is only partial to kinetic defense and consists mainly of two layers of armour plating with thermal insulation in between. Furhtermore, they can barely withstand 20 minutees of vaccuum while the Mjolnir VII has the oxygen supply and adequate plating to withstand over an hour.
Sixth, while commandos have only the suit to enhance their abilities the Spartans are first physically augmented to enhance speed, strength, reaction-time, and mental capabilities. Then their Mjolnir VII armour adds even more strength, speed, and reaction enhancements. Not to mention the guide of Cortana when heading into battle. They have the raw strength to lift over a metric ton, and witht heir suits even more than that. In addition with their agility a Wookie would hardly be a worthy adversary in hand-to-hand combat.
Seventh, the Spartans have astonishing speed and agility that is only further enhanced by thier Mjolnir VII armour. They could easily dodge a small barrage of blaster fire in order to find cover as is demonstrated in nearly ever novel n the Halo series. Furthermore, their size is matched by their agility and ability to blend in with surroundings. Their training taught them not only to make niose but to use stealth tactics to their fullest as shown in their first encounter with Space-Pirates in the Fall of Reach.
Eight, all of this comprehensive information is based off of the entire Spartan unit written about in the Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike. MC believe it or not is not the fastest or strongest of the Spartans, but rather the best leader. They have incredible squad characteristics that have brought repeated victories against the Covenant despite being grossly outnumbered and outarmed. Their most deadly wweapon is their ability to adapt. Did the Covenant wipe most of them out? Yes. In an airstrike on the planet Eridanus II in the Fall of Reach which was inescapable and would be for commandos as well.
In conclusion your obvious inexperience with the Halo universe is apparent, and you are gravely mistaken in thinking that I am not versed in the Star Wars history/universe. Read up before you even try to come up with a solid arguement.
 | | | #122 21 Aug 2006 09:16 pm |
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| | #123 21 Aug 2006 09:49 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38 Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | 1. Lightsabers are not made of plasma. The energy beam is emitted from a crystal, which comes from the force within the crystal. Your information on that is someone’s speculation on possibities of how a similar one can be constructed. The lightsaber energy comes from the force.
2. In Star Wars anything ion is usually enough to take down shields, especially if it isn’t ship related. that’s the way it is, it doesn’t need to make sense like in real life because it’s fake.
3. “A long time ago” is proof that Star Wars happened long before Halo. Nobody can come up with the exact amount fo years so don’t bring that crud up. George Lucas has simply put it “A long time ago."
4. You are not getting the point about the explosives I named. The explosives can better “adapt” itself depending on what kind of target it is taking out and can be set to target only a certain target.
5. Don’t bring Cortana in into the argument because she’s a separate character. The Spartans CANNOT use her otherwise I can bring in other characters to. Not to mention without Cortana the Spartans' abilities are significantly lowered and their suit loses capabilites. I read enough on Cortana to know that.
6. You have not answered my question. What use is the Spartans' augmented abilities if they can’t get close? Commandos have fought creatures way stronger, bigger, and faster than the Spartans have ever hoped to be and they have won. How are they gogin to win in a fight against commandos that have Vibro-blades? If the Spartans block it their arms are going to be chopped off.
7. I don’t know where you got that Spartans can lift a ton because I’ve been told they can’t but they can punch hard enough to move it. Not to mention how much a car weighs and the fact that Wookies can lift equivilant to a car’s weight. Also, Wookie weapons can’t be used by any human or
alien because of how much strength it takes to pull the trigger.
8. Their agility and reaction time are enoguh to save them from “a small amount of barrage fire” as you have said. You do know the commandos have more fire power than " a small amount?"
9. Exactly my point, most of the Spartans got killed in an air strike. Commandos haven’t and they have been in airs trikes before. Air srikes are NOT completely inescapable as people can survive them and even survive an A-bomb.
10. What does what kind of shield the commandos use have to do with this? They have advanced shields that are strong enough for them to just stand there and take blasts directly. Yet, all the Spartans can use against them are grenades and rocket launchers. Bullet weaposn are gone. The Spartans are pretty much defenseless when it comes to weaponry and that means they wont be able to get close to the commandos.
11. What does oxygen have to do with this because they aren’t going to be in space, otherwise it’d end up being a dogfight and at that point the Spartans are gone.
12. Don’t bring up stealth because both can use stealth and both of their suits can be used to detect their enemies. Commandos spend all their time behind enemy lines so stealth is a big thing.
Both are equal there because they are both in the same basic category of troops.
I have never said I am a Halo expert so don’t bring that up but you are clearly wrong when you claim to be knowledgeable in the Star Wars universe, which can be seen by your mistake in believing that lightsabers are made of plasma and Star Wars ion weaponry can’t take out shields. If I were I’d think before I woudl tell anyone to read up on something, espcially since I don’t find joy in reading the books because I am not a fan of the books. ---
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| | #124 21 Aug 2006 09:50 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | Brain wrote:
waiting for a reply
Will you calm down with your waiting for reply thing because I don’t spend all my time on the computer so I don’t know when you have replied. Makes sense?
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
Last edited 21 Aug 2006 09:50 pm by the21gamer | | #125 21 Aug 2006 10:22 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 1,600 OFFLINE | the21gamer wrote:
Brain wrote:
waiting for a reply
Will you calm down with your waiting for reply thing because I don’t spend all my time on the computer so I don’t know when you have replied. Makes sense?
Sorry I was just being impatient. I am weary from today, so if you give me like say 16 hours I’ll have a reply. Until then fell free to bask in your own glory. Brain: 2 21gamer: 3
| | #126 21 Aug 2006 11:27 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | Brain wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
Brain wrote:
waiting for a reply
Will you calm down with your waiting for reply thing because I don’t spend all my time on the computer so I don’t know when you have replied. Makes sense?
Sorry I was just being impatient. I am weary from today, so if you give me like say 16 hours I’ll have a reply. Until then fell free to bask in your own glory. Brain: 2 21gamer: 3
Ok, that’s cool then.
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
| | #127 22 Aug 2006 07:16 am |
bonjour Rep: 3 Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 8,307 OFFLINE | I thought this was spartans against republic commandoes, they don’t have light sabers ---
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Wannabe Rep: 0 Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 75 OFFLINE | True but cammandoes dont need lightsabers because they have those vibro blades built in to there suits. | | #129 22 Aug 2006 05:34 pm |
21 Guest | DestinyGuy678 wrote:
I thought this was spartans against republic commandoes, they don’t have light sabers
He was talking about plasma not beign outdated and said lightsabers were made of plasma. I said they aren’t made of plasma. | | #130 22 Aug 2006 11:13 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69 Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | Um... the book spartans... fighting the cammando’s...
Spartans own cammandos, but if it is game vs game characters, it could really go to either one.
Remember, the book spartans could dodge bullets the first time they used the suits, also \the suit would rip a normal human apart from the amazing reflexes.
It would be a good match... but i have to go to the spartans overall. :/
p.s. i own both games so i know what i’m talking about... | | #131 22 Aug 2006 11:33 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 1,600 OFFLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
Um... the book spartans... fighting the cammando’s...
Spartans own cammandos, but if it is game vs game characters, it could really go to either one.
Remember, the book spartans could dodge bullets the first time they used the suits, also \the suit would rip a normal human apart from the amazing reflexes.
It would be a good match... but i have to go to the spartans overall. :/
p.s. i own both games so i know what i’m talking about...
the real question is whether or not you have read all of the novels, graphic novels, comics, and encyclpedias that go with them.
| | #132 23 Aug 2006 12:40 am |
21 Guest | NEREVAR117 wrote:
Um... the book spartans... fighting the cammando’s...
Spartans own cammandos, but if it is game vs game characters, it could really go to either one.
Remember, the book spartans could dodge bullets the first time they used the suits, also \the suit would rip a normal human apart from the amazing reflexes.
It would be a good match... but i have to go to the spartans overall. :/
p.s. i own both games so i know what i’m talking about...
You know the commandos aren’t normal humans and they’re wearing suits. Also, there’s only so much they can dodge before getting hit. | | #133 23 Aug 2006 12:42 am |
21 Guest | 21 wrote:
NEREVAR117 wrote:
Um... the book spartans... fighting the cammando’s...
Spartans own cammandos, but if it is game vs game characters, it could really go to either one.
Remember, the book spartans could dodge bullets the first time they used the suits, also \the suit would rip a normal human apart from the amazing reflexes.
It would be a good match... but i have to go to the spartans overall. :/
p.s. i own both games so i know what i’m talking about...
You know the commandos aren’t normal humans and they’re wearing suits. Also, there’s only so much they can dodge before getting hit.
P.S. Just the games isn’t enough for you to know what you are talking about. | | #134 23 Aug 2006 05:32 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 3  Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 2,480 OFFLINE | Spartans aren’t normal humans either.
A Commando would not survive a direct blast from a ship-borne plasma cannon. ---
I am the Chaos Spartan
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I coined the following underlined terms: MVC and [/sarcasm] | | #135 23 Aug 2006 05:42 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | spartan 076 wrote:
Spartans aren’t normal humans either.
A Commando would not survive a direct blast from a ship-borne plasma cannon.
That doesn’t mean they need get hit by a ship’s plasma cannon, does it? Exactly, brains comes in and the commandos have plenty of that.
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
| | #136 23 Aug 2006 05:46 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | I have the game... i have played the game... um... i think i should know their in suits dude. >_>
Strength...
Spartan > Commando
Intelligence...
Spartan > commando
Speed...
Spartan > commando
weapons...
That really depends upon the weapons they have so...
Spartan - commando
Reflexes...
Spartan > commando
Also cortana can hack their suits... and don’t say “Well shes a different character!"
Well in the books when John puts cortanas chip in his helm, she 'enters' his mind, thus becoming part of him, don’t believe me, go read Fall Of Reach.
Then again i should be quit about that, the Tc never said John, so cortana can be crossed out, but if MC is in the fight, shes right there with him. | | #137 23 Aug 2006 05:47 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 3Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 2,480 OFFLINE | Cortana is equipment. A weapon, just like any sniper rifle or pistol. ---
I am the Chaos Spartan
0wn3d
I coined the following underlined terms: MVC and [/sarcasm] | | #138 23 Aug 2006 06:00 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | Ah thats true also. ^ | | #139 23 Aug 2006 06:03 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 3Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 2,480 OFFLINE | the21gamer wrote:
spartan 076 wrote:
Spartans aren’t normal humans either.
A Commando would not survive a direct blast from a ship-borne plasma cannon.
That doesn’t mean they need get hit by a ship’s plasma cannon, does it? Exactly, brains comes in and the commandos have plenty of that.
It doesn’t really matter when the ship blasts you from space.
I am the Chaos Spartan
0wn3d
I coined the following underlined terms: MVC and [/sarcasm] | | #140 09 Sep 2006 07:15 am |
Entree Rep: 0Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 3 OFFLINE | Guys guys SPARTANs would win hand down and i love the commandos i meen ive completed the game but really underneath the “amour” the cloones ar jus well clones jus human beings but being 7 feet tall wich SPARTANs ar u tend to be more resiliant especially with the augmention sory commandos ud get ur faces ripped and flayed | | |
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