| 16 May 2006 03:44 pm |
Anomynous_person Guest | The hipocritic Jewish Pharisees of Jesus' day gave alms for the poor, because it was the law of the Elders that preceded them(Subjective ideas rather than objective- Moses law), and according to their beliefs it was neccessary to give away some money. They followed their law because they were seeking the gain that came from being obediant. The gain was Heaven. Their deeds were oriented on gain, not self sacrifice.
Christians of today, do what they do not out of seeking eternal life. They do it out of obediance to the Holy Father. Their actions are humble and kind. They seek not that of the flesh, but that of God. When they give to the poor, they do it humbly out of obediance to the second biggest law- Do unto others, as you would like it to be done unto yourself. But the secret behind it is not to do it because you know you will get it back, do it out of self-sacrifice.
I know that this is kinda hard for you to understand(even for me it is), but it is the Truth. Perhaps when you come to Christ you will be able to understand the wholeness of His entity. May God richly bless you. | |
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| 16 May 2006 03:45 pm |
received a ticket for being awesome. Rep: 30  Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 6,206 OFFLINE | You know what Myst ?? Your argument actually fails . Only because you can say all you want , but its not going to change anything about my religion or my love for god . Questions questions questions .. you can live your life forever asking them , and thats exactly how it will be . The day will come where you will be before god , and you can ask all the questions you want , but you will also have to answer for all the sins you have committed also . --- Don’t take life too seriously. You’ll never get out alive. | |
| 16 May 2006 03:52 pm |
The Diabolical One... Rep: 3  Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 5,320 OFFLINE | what is wrong with asking questions... that is the only way we discover real truth... by asking questions... I think it is good to always be aksing why something is... only lazy people just accept things without wondering about the reason behind them... ---
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Someone with a comment that has thought to it? Blasphemy!
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| 16 May 2006 03:56 pm |
myst7426 Guest | Anomynous_person wrote:
The hipocritic Jewish Pharisees of Jesus' day gave alms for the poor, because it was the law of the Elders that preceded them(Subjective ideas rather than objective- Moses law), and according to their beliefs it was neccessary to give away some money. They followed their law because they were seeking the gain that came from being obediant. The gain was Heaven. Their deeds were oriented on gain, not self sacrifice.
Christians of today, do what they do not out of seeking eternal life. They do it out of obediance to the Holy Father. Their actions are humble and kind. They seek not that of the flesh, but that of God. When they give to the poor, they do it humbly out of obediance to the second biggest law- Do unto others, as you would like it to be done unto yourself. But the secret behind it is not to do it because you know you will get it back, do it out of self-sacrifice.
I know that this is kinda hard for you to understand(even for me it is), but it is the Truth. Perhaps when you come to Christ you will be able to understand the wholeness of His entity. May God richly bless you.
Christians do it for gain as well - scoring points with God. Doing it because they do not want to disappoint him. I have given money to charity before and I did not do it to make myself feel good. Everyone is capable of a selfless act to others. A selfless act is not dependent on repentence to Christ.
Oh, and our argument can be reversed on you because Muslims, Jews, Zoroastrians, etc. can use the same reasoning as you. | |
| 16 May 2006 03:58 pm |
myst7426 Guest | GOOOGLE_QUEEN wrote:
You know what Myst ?? Your argument actually fails . Only because you can say all you want , but its not going to change anything about my religion or my love for god . Questions questions questions .. you can live your life forever asking them , and thats exactly how it will be . The day will come where you will be before god , and you can ask all the questions you want , but you will also have to answer for all the sins you have committed also .
Typical scare tactic.
Your argument is bullshit. | |
| 16 May 2006 04:00 pm |
received a ticket for being awesome. Rep: 30  Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 6,206 OFFLINE | dark99 wrote:
what is wrong with asking questions... that is the only way we discover real truth... by asking questions... I think it is good to always be aksing why something is... only lazy people just accept things without wondering about the reason behind them...
And have you discovered the 'real truth' yet by asking questions ?? Or do you still have a few more to ask ? When will it be enough ? And are answers enough to convince you or will answers only lead to more questions ?
Only lazy people accept things without wondering about the reasons behind them ? No imagine believing something by love and faith ?? I think that takes a whole lot more rather than asking questions . --- Don’t take life too seriously. You’ll never get out alive. | |
| 16 May 2006 04:01 pm |
Anomynous_person Guest | Fleshly self-sacrifice, if you break it down to the pit comes from love of self. And how do you know that Christians are selfish? Have you ever been one? You need to experience the thing, to be able to judge. You can’t stand by, and tell me it is a fake without knowing it. God is the perfect judge. For he is truth. Those within him, are the only ones capable of giving a reliable verdict. Think through wisdom- not through knowledge and logic. The key to wisdom is fearing God. | |
| 16 May 2006 04:06 pm |
The Diabolical One... Rep: 3  Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 5,320 OFFLINE | GOOOGLE_QUEEN wrote:
dark99 wrote:
what is wrong with asking questions... that is the only way we discover real truth... by asking questions... I think it is good to always be aksing why something is... only lazy people just accept things without wondering about the reason behind them...
And have you discovered the 'real truth' yet by asking questions ?? Or do you still have a few more to ask ? When will it be enough ? And are answers enough to convince you or will answers only lead to more questions ?
Only lazy people accept things without wondering about the reasons behind them ? No imagine believing something by love and faith ?? I think that takes a whole lot more rather than asking questions .
What do you mean by THE real truth... what can be THE truth... there are probably many different truths... and who cares if the questions keep coming... isn’t that why we are here to keep answering and finding new questions... what is wrong with that... maybe you find it foolish to go on a never ending quest to find answers but I do not... you maybe satisfied with God providing you all of your answers but I guess I want more... God did it just seems too easy... ---
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Someone with a comment that has thought to it? Blasphemy!
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| 16 May 2006 04:08 pm |
myst7426 Guest | All you have done is change the word pride to humble when differentiating between the repentent and non-repentent.
Where is the practical application? Examples?
You said love for others IS NOT POSSIBLE if you have not repented to god. You claim the seemlingly loving act by a non-christian is actually a self-gratifying act while a christian’s act is humble.
Do you examples, evidence, anything besides a flawed argument?
Both can perform the act and the end result is the same.
A Muslim who repents to God cannot engage in this act?
A Jew who repents to God cannot engage in this act?
A Zoroastrian who repents to God cannot engage in this act?
Even if these Gods do not exist, the motive is the same as the Christian. Therefore, a Muslim can perform the act as a Christian so long as he repents to God. Same is true for Jews, Zoroastrians, etc.
God is not defined as the Christian God, but the God figure of each religion? | |
| 16 May 2006 04:30 pm |
Anomynous_person Guest | I do not deny the fact that the Jewish god is my god. In this case He is. But Jews have stepped away from righteously serving Him. For once Jesus came on earth, and died, the neccessity to follow Moses' law was removed. But the neccessity to follow God’s law has never been removed, and cannot be removed.
The motives that people use that are not right with “GOD” cannot be humbleness oriented. Because God is Love.
Love is- the quality of Patience, long-suffering, purity, wisdom, reliability, humbleness, authority, wholeness and fullness, self-sacrifice, helpfullness, liveliness, readiness, charity, truth, peace, hope, faith, joy, service, greatfullness, openness, courage, goodness, and the complete entity of Godliness.
Other religions do not literely repent to their Gods. Their gods are concrete, not abstract. Their Gods are false. For if there where many truths, what truth would there be? Truth is a fact that cannot split into several categories. It is one. It is whole. The God I serve is the only God. He is who He is. | |
| 16 May 2006 04:31 pm |
Anomynous_person Guest | Typo- “For once Jesus came on earth, and died," is supposed to be- " For once Jesus came on earth, died, and ressurected" | |
| 16 May 2006 04:33 pm |
myst7426 Guest | Anomynous_person wrote:
I do not deny the fact that the Jewish god is my god. In this case He is. But Jews have stepped away from righteously serving Him. For once Jesus came on earth, and died, the neccessity to follow Moses' law was removed. But the neccessity to follow God’s law has never been removed, and cannot be removed.
The motives that people use that are not right with “GOD” cannot be humbleness oriented. Because God is Love.
Love is- the quality of Patience, long-suffering, purity, wisdom, reliability, humbleness, authority, wholeness and fullness, self-sacrifice, helpfullness, liveliness, readiness, charity, truth, peace, hope, faith, joy, service, greatfullness, openness, courage, goodness, and the complete entity of Godliness.
Other religions do not literely repent to their Gods. Their gods are concrete, not abstract. Their Gods are false. For if there where many truths, what truth would there be? Truth is a fact that cannot split into several categories. It is one. It is whole. The God I serve is the only God. He is who He is.
Muslims repent. Jews repent. Do you deny this? Muslims and Jews who perform loving acts are humble according to your definition. There is NO difference to which God they are repenting to. They can repent and believe that they have done so even if the God is not real. | |
| 16 May 2006 04:34 pm |
myst7426 Guest | Anomynous_person wrote:
Typo- “For once Jesus came on earth, and died," is supposed to be- " For once Jesus came on earth, died, and ressurected”
OMG OMG OMG you forgot the most important part. | |
| 16 May 2006 04:36 pm |
myst7426 Guest | "The motives that people use that are not right with “GOD” cannot be humbleness oriented. Because God is Love."
What is this gibberish. | |
| 16 May 2006 04:38 pm |
Anomynous_person Guest | They repent, but not to the real God. Don’t judge the people in a religious group. Judge it as a whole. | |
| 16 May 2006 04:41 pm |
myst7426 Guest | Anomynous_person wrote:
They repent, but not to the real God. Don’t judge the people in a religious group. Judge it as a whole.
So what if it is not the real God. They repent and perform actions defined as humble rather than pride. I am sorry for refutting you earlier statement; but, insane garbage needs to be debunked.
You are seriously ignorant. “The Jews are bad because the do not accept my God."
“The Muslims are bad because the do not believe Jesus is the literal son of God."
You are defining everything in an ethnocentrists viewpoint. | |
| 16 May 2006 04:43 pm |
myst7426 Guest | Anon, christians are not performing humble acts because they are not repenting to Allah, but a false deity named Christ. Instead they are performing self-gratifying acts but believe they are performing humble acts. | |
| 16 May 2006 04:44 pm |
myst7426 Guest | "The Jews need not follow Moses' Laws because my god Jesus says so" | |
| 16 May 2006 04:48 pm |
Anomynous_person Guest | So you are saying there is only one truth? That in its own contridicts itself.
“The Jews need not follow Moses' Laws because my god Jesus says so”
Yes. The law of Moses was broken.
You do not know what humbleness is, therfor you cannot judge others for not having it or having it. What you have is an ellussion of humbleness. True humbleness is found within God. | |
| 16 May 2006 04:49 pm |
myst7426 Guest | Anomynous_person wrote:
So you are saying there is only one truth? That in its own contridicts itself.
“The Jews need not follow Moses' Laws because my god Jesus says so”
Yes. The law of Moses was broken.
You do not know what humbleness is, therfor you cannot judge others for not having it or having it. What you have is an ellussion of humbleness. True humbleness is found within God.
More mindless garbage. | |
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