| 16 May 2006 12:40 pm |
lonelylonelylonely dont want tologin Guest | i agree in part with black hydra.
I however think that there are acts that are unselfish.
For instance not helping someone even though you really want to. | | | | 16 May 2006 12:42 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2 Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | If you wanted to enough, you would. The reasons for not helping are vast. But in the end, you would choose whichever you WANT according to the consequences of the different choices. ---
The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | | | 16 May 2006 12:44 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2  Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 2,624 OFFLINE | yes but wanting too and being able too r not the same ---
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DC rOyA1RaMpAg3 | | | 16 May 2006 12:45 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | If you were physically incapable of doing it, that’s a different situation. I never heard a word about that. ---
The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | | | 16 May 2006 12:47 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 2,624 OFFLINE | no mentaly not being able...like if someone was gonna die in 24 hours and asked if you wanted to help them sexually and you were married would you help?...no one would know but you, would you be able to do that to your wife? ---
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DC rOyA1RaMpAg3 | | | 16 May 2006 12:50 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | Some people would. No offense man, your not perceptualizing to the degree of which I want answers. Whether or not the person would be able to do that would be based off of the guys heritage and background. It sounds very simple when I say that, but what else is there? Your heritage being your genes, the way your body was built to percept things, and your background is everything that you’ve ever percepted. There is nothing else. ---
The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | | | 16 May 2006 12:54 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 2,624 OFFLINE | ok well i guess i am no help...ill try somewhere else ---
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DC rOyA1RaMpAg3 | | | 16 May 2006 12:56 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | You can stay. I’m sorry for ragging on you. I just get carried away with these things. ---
The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | | | 16 May 2006 12:58 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 2,624 OFFLINE | no its cool i didnt even read half the post i did nkow what awnsers you were looking for ---
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DC rOyA1RaMpAg3 | | | 17 May 2006 12:29 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | Alright. ---
The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | | | 17 May 2006 08:22 pm |
Regular Rep: 1 Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 379 OFFLINE | Okay Hydra, here goes. As you know, James is in a bad way at the moment. Today, I picked him up to go grocery shopping and get a prescription. When it appeared that his money that he had deposited into his bank account wasn’t available, I paid his grocery bill. I DID NOT expect anything in return. Will he repay me? Yes, because James is good like that. However, were he unable to, I wouldn’t care. After I dropped him off at his house, I started thinking about your theory of absolute selfishness. I really had to ask myself, “Did I buy James' groceries for any selfish reason?" I thought and thought, deeply and seriously, and here’s what I came up with: THE ONLY REASON I HELPED HIM OUT, WAS BECAUSE IT MADE SENSE TO DO SO. No other reason, I didn’t think twice about it at the time. Tell me I’m selfish; tell me there was some deep motive behind what I feel was a selfish act. Go ahead, but try to prove it; you can’t. You’ll just have to trust me when I say that I carefully considered (afterwards) what made me do what I did for him. He is a friend, he needed help, that’s it. I will concede that there is an aspect of selfishness insofar as I wouldn’t have done it for some stranger, but does that make what I did for James any less selfless? I think not.
Rev. Mat Storring ---
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. ARM YOURSELF | | | 17 May 2006 08:28 pm |
Regular Rep: 1Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 379 OFFLINE | Black Hydra Xc wrote:
1. We, as humans are entirely selfish.
2. We don’t have choice, just the illusion of choice.
3. Everything is subjective.
This is my belief system. And I will wait to hear from some of you before I explain further.
I thought of something regarding #2. To say that we have no choice because we are products of how we are raised and what we have experienced goes a little to far for my liking. I would say that our choices are INFLUENCED by these past experiences, but they are NOT predetermined or guaranteed. What say you young padiwon? 
Rev. Storring
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. ARM YOURSELF | | | 17 May 2006 09:13 pm |
bonjour Rep: 3 Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 8,307 OFFLINE | goldenraptor wrote:
My theories:
1. Religion is an excuse for discrimination.
2. Humans are entirely dependant on other things
3. Humans do not have the mental capacity of other creatures of much more simplicity. Termites build mounds 20 feet high and 100 feet across. In relative perspective, that is 1 mile high and 5 miles long.
I think your and hydras theories are....stupid, people in my mind are just as animal as all the creatures on the earth, I don’t use religion as an excuse for discrimination....just because one person does something like that doesn’t mean that is what they will always do, your theories are what we call steriotypes, I don’t want to disrespect you guys though but thats what I think
 | | | 17 May 2006 10:27 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0 Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1,149 OFFLINE | "And no, it wasn’t my choice. My decisions are based off of everything that has ever happened to me and my genetics, which cause my body to perform. I don’t have choice, I do what I think will be most benificial. As do all of us."
You decisions were not based on your genetics! You make your decisions as you go! You are crossing the street, and you see a car zooming straight at you without intending to stop. You haven’t ever been in this situation before, your genetics have nothing in them about “what to do when car is about to hit you”. You make the choice to jump off to the side to spare your life. You made that choice right there and then. You didn’t ever have anything happen to you like this before. Yet you made the choice to jump away.
And as for every one being completly selfish, I will have to disagree. Take Mother Teresa, she washed the blood and puss from the wounds of lepers without any gloves! What was selfish about that? She didn’t even worry about getting blood and puss all over her hands, and she was doing this for strangers,lying in the streets in their misery. Tell me, what was selfish about that? What profit did she get, for herself, in doing that? What did she do as a selfish act to please herself or to suit herself? ---
“Dying men have said, “I am sorry I have been an atheist, an infidel, an agnostic, a skeptic, or a sinner”; but no man ever said with his last breath, “I am sorry I have lived a Christian life." “The wages of sin is death- quit before payday.“ | | | 18 May 2006 12:00 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | The Revered wrote:
Okay Hydra, here goes. As you know, James is in a bad way at the moment. Today, I picked him up to go grocery shopping and get a prescription. When it appeared that his money that he had deposited into his bank account wasn’t available, I paid his grocery bill. I DID NOT expect anything in return. Will he repay me? Yes, because James is good like that. However, were he unable to, I wouldn’t care. After I dropped him off at his house, I started thinking about your theory of absolute selfishness. I really had to ask myself, “Did I buy James' groceries for any selfish reason?" I thought and thought, deeply and seriously, and here’s what I came up with: THE ONLY REASON I HELPED HIM OUT, WAS BECAUSE IT MADE SENSE TO DO SO. No other reason, I didn’t think twice about it at the time. Tell me I’m selfish; tell me there was some deep motive behind what I feel was a selfish act. Go ahead, but try to prove it; you can’t. You’ll just have to trust me when I say that I carefully considered (afterwards) what made me do what I did for him. He is a friend, he needed help, that’s it. I will concede that there is an aspect of selfishness insofar as I wouldn’t have done it for some stranger, but does that make what I did for James any less selfless? I think not.
Rev. Mat Storring
Rev, it appears to me (I won’t assume) that you as most people here think that being selfish is a bad thing. Subjectively, it might be. But to me it is not. If I were not selfish, I would not be alive. Now, with the thing about you buying James groceries, (Please tell him I hope he’s okay btw) , you did that because YOU WANTED TO. Did you not? You admitted that you did not care if he paid you back. So, all I am saying that things may benefit others, but there is always some sort of selfish intent, no matter how minor it may seem.
The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | | | 18 May 2006 12:04 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | Someone who cares.... wrote:
“And no, it wasn’t my choice. My decisions are based off of everything that has ever happened to me and my genetics, which cause my body to perform. I don’t have choice, I do what I think will be most benificial. As do all of us."
You decisions were not based on your genetics! You make your decisions as you go! You are crossing the street, and you see a car zooming straight at you without intending to stop. You haven’t ever been in this situation before, your genetics have nothing in them about “what to do when car is about to hit you”. You make the choice to jump off to the side to spare your life. You made that choice right there and then. You didn’t ever have anything happen to you like this before. Yet you made the choice to jump away.
And as for every one being completly selfish, I will have to disagree. Take Mother Teresa, she washed the blood and puss from the wounds of lepers without any gloves! What was selfish about that? She didn’t even worry about getting blood and puss all over her hands, and she was doing this for strangers,lying in the streets in their misery. Tell me, what was selfish about that? What profit did she get, for herself, in doing that? What did she do as a selfish act to please herself or to suit herself?
My genetics spit out certain chemicals into my brain that influence my behavior. And my background (Everything I’ve ever perceived) influences how I will react to that. And mother Teresa, I must agree to some extent, is probably the least selfish person I’ve ever known about, BUT she still had selfishness or she wouldn’t be alive. Food, water, shelter, clothes, etc. All the things that she took for herself. Yet, she still helped others. And selfishness does not necessaraly mean to please yourself. But suit, yes. She helped people because she WANTED to.
The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | | | 18 May 2006 12:53 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1,149 OFFLINE | So, can you just say people are PARTIALLY selfish, not completely? ---
“Dying men have said, “I am sorry I have been an atheist, an infidel, an agnostic, a skeptic, or a sinner”; but no man ever said with his last breath, “I am sorry I have lived a Christian life." “The wages of sin is death- quit before payday.“ | | | 19 May 2006 12:16 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | Someone who cares.... wrote:
So, can you just say people are PARTIALLY selfish, not completely?
I think it would be fair to say that there is always a certain level of selfishness. Nothing is without it, but there are different degrees.
The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | | | 27 May 2006 12:33 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 1,149 OFFLINE | So, there are also certain degrees of unselfishness, agreed? ---
“Dying men have said, “I am sorry I have been an atheist, an infidel, an agnostic, a skeptic, or a sinner”; but no man ever said with his last breath, “I am sorry I have lived a Christian life." “The wages of sin is death- quit before payday.“ | | | 30 May 2006 12:22 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | Yes. But there is also always selfishness as well. And remember, that’s not necessaraly a bad thing. ---
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