Wow, someone’s been listening to to much Kend Hovind.
"* Friedrich Nietzsche adopted evolution, and wrote that the only way to evolve was to have wars and kill the weaker races, in order to produce a superior race."
Holy crap, someone wrote something about a superior race, call the press. So the hell what? As far as i know Nietzsche’s writing wasn’t a call to arms to kill all inferior races. Also, Nietzsche was kinda crazy, sexist, lusted after his sister, etc. Oh wait, lemme guess “evolution taught him he was an animal so he wanted to have sex with his sister."
"* William Grant Sumner put evolutionary ideas into economics, and taught America’s future industrial business leaders at Yale University that the stronger businesses should succeed and that the weaker, smaller ones should die out, that the unfit ones should not pull down the rest of society. So we see how during the industrial age, bigger businesses crushed smaller ones. "
Still in practice today if i remember right, big businesses with more resources, money, connections, higher public opinion, will indeed outsell small business. Thats bad how? If large businesses were really evil as you seem to suggest, then wouldn’t the consumer side with the small business owner? If the small business offers inferior products, higher prices, or just something people dont want, then of course they’re gonna fail.
"* Communism started with evolutionary thought put to use in human history."
Probly not gonna address this one, simply because SWC would probly start in on his “my parents and i lived in russia and it was communist, so you dont know what you’re talking about”. But if you’re refering to the communist theory, then no, i dont think evolutionary theory did anything to make or strengthen that. Simply because your post was about survival of the fittest, while traditional communist thought is that there should be equality for all.
"* WWII started with evolutionary ideas put to use making the superior race or nation."
WW2 started with an assasination, but many problems before, stemming back years, and none of them having to do with evolution. If you’re talking about hitlers murder of the jews, then also no, hitler used the jews as a scapegoat, saying they where inferior to the aryan nation. If he was truely trying to weed out all the inferior peoples, then he would have to kill himself, and a lot of the higher ups in the nazi party, simply because if the aryans where the master race, then all other races where inferior, not just the jews.
"* With evolution, we got people like Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, and others. Who sought to eliminate the weaker race or nation, and bring forth a superior race."
Of course there where no wars or conflicts or power hungry leaders before the theory of evolution was formed. Sir, you just lost my repect.
"* When training troops for war, they read to them works of Darwin and those parts related to exterminating the weaker race or nation, and making a superior one."
Troops where? I know in the US they dont do this.
"* When Communism took over China, they introduced Darwinism into the schools."
....So?
“Natural selection”
Gonna stop the quote right there, the rest lowered my IQ. The term “survival of the fittest” is a short definition, like e=mc(cant find the squared button), “those who are best at surviving and reproducing will have higher fitness” “fittest” to refer to those individuals that are functionally most capable to tackle life challenges. It does not say, however, that one is to kill all those weaker then themselves.
"* Evolutionary ideas are feeding people with lies, and lying to make up fraud evidence for itself. "
Hmmmm, wonder what that sounds like.
The rest, im not even gonna bother with, good day gentleman, and what few ladies might be present.
*edited for readability, and bad grammer*
--- "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich” -Napoleon
"hey you now what... I remember you saying somewhere that it is the people who use the ideas that are bad... not the ideas themselves... cause you know the crusades were made by christians... and so where the witch hunts... I guess using your logic that all of Christianity is now bad because of that... Oh look what Christianity has done to the world..."
If you also remember, I have said that not all people who claim to be Christians are true Christians, followers of Christ. I do not want to judge, but if they said “thou shalt not kill” and went off killing, that’s not right.
“Wow, someone’s been listening to to much Kend Hovind."
Actually, I took that information from the book The Evolution Cruncher, not Hovind. But I have watched some of his tapes, you have a problem with that? He debates evolutionists, I watched one debate, it is very educational. And funny at times.
“Holy crap, someone wrote something about a superior race, call the press. So the hell what? As far as i know Nietzsche’s writing wasn’t a call to arms to kill all inferior races. Also, Nietzsche was kinda crazy, sexist, lusted after his sister, etc. Oh wait, lemme guess “evolution taught him he was an animal so he wanted to have sex with his sister.""
Yes, first someone writes about a superior race, then someone else picks up the book, agrees, and starts wars or something else, no good.
“Still in practice today if i remember right, big businesses with more resources, money, connections, higher public opinion, will indeed outsell small business. Thats bad how? If large businesses were really evil as you seem to suggest, then wouldn’t the consumer side with the small business owner? If the small business offers inferior products, higher prices, or just something people dont want, then of course they’re gonna fail."
It may still be existent now, but they did pass an act that said big businesses could not crush smaller ones with some methods or something like that. So I think it may be a bit better now. But it’s using natural selection type logic, strongest survives, weakest dies.
“Probly not gonna address this one, simply because SWC would probly start in on his “my parents and i lived in russia and it was communist, so you dont know what you’re talking about”. But if you’re refering to the communist theory, then no, i dont think evolutionary theory did anything to make or strengthen that. Simply because your post was about survival of the fittest, while traditional communist thought is that there should be equality for all."
Here is how communism uses evolution logic. Evolution says man decides what is right and what is wrong, so if working men decide it is right to take power by force, then they do that. Since it is in their control, not God’s, to say what is right and what is wrong. http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/blood.asp
“WW2 started with an assasination, but many problems before, stemming back years, and none of them having to do with evolution. If you’re talking about hitlers murder of the jews, then also no, hitler used the jews as a scapegoat, saying they where inferior to the aryan nation. If he was truely trying to weed out all the inferior peoples, then he would have to kill himself, and a lot of the higher ups in the nazi party, simply because if the aryans where the master race, then all other races where inferior, not just the jews."
See? This is what I mean, when using evolution ideas, the person who wants to put it to use decides which is the inferior race(s) and which is the superior race, most likely the person’s own race. Then, using those ideas, the person goes off to eliminate the weaker, inferior races.
“Of course there where no wars or conflicts or power hungry leaders before the theory of evolution was formed. Sir, you just lost my repect."
There may have been, but the number of these types of leaders/dictators increased after evolution. And this caused more damage and war.
Wait, did I have your respect before?
“Troops where? I know in the US they dont do this."
Maybe not in the US, but there were other countries involved in wars... I don’t know exactly where this was, but I would guess in Germany, maybe with the Nazis.
"....So?"
Don’t you see what’s happening? They use Darwinism to support their ideas, to make themselves seem right.
“Gonna stop the quote right there, the rest lowered my IQ. The term “survival of the fittest” is a short definition, like e=mc(cant find the squared button), “those who are best at surviving and reproducing will have higher fitness” “fittest” to refer to those individuals that are functionally most capable to tackle life challenges. It does not say, however, that one is to kill all those weaker then themselves."
No, it may not say directly, but get a person like Hitler or someone, this is how they take it, how they interpret it.
“Hmmmm, wonder what that sounds like."
A piece of hard to take truth.
--- “Dying men have said, “I am sorry I have been an atheist, an infidel, an agnostic, a skeptic, or a sinner”; but no man ever said with his last breath, “I am sorry I have lived a Christian life." “The wages of sin is death- quit before payday.“
"Yes, first someone writes about a superior race, then someone else picks up the book, agrees, and starts wars or something else, no good. "
Hmmm, then there are books that preach tolerance and peace, and people pick and choose what they want out of them to support their ideals, that doesn’t make the work evil or flawed, merely the people who read it and made decisions off of it.
“It may still be existent now, but they did pass an act that said big businesses could not crush smaller ones with some methods or something like that. So I think it may be a bit better now. But it’s using natural selection type logic, strongest survives, weakest dies."
They passed laws to stop monopolies if i remember right, which was to stop large to midsized businesses in one field joining up to create a very large corporation with the combined resources of the ones that joined. What was wrong with this was that they generally sold items at a huge loss in order to drive other businesses away. Then they would jack up the prices so they were higher then what they originally were. The problem wasn’t that they were crushing smaller businesses, the problem was they were making the prices exhorbitant.
“Here is how communism uses evolution logic. Evolution says man decides what is right and what is wrong, so if working men decide it is right to take power by force, then they do that. Since it is in their control, not God’s, to say what is right and what is wrong. http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/blood.asp "
I neither defend nor object to the actions taken during the communist revolution, but it seems to me that if the living conditions for the prolitariate was bad, then they would rise up. Not because of some ideal written about, but because they wished for a better life for themselves, hell, i doubt a lot of the people in the communist revolution could read, so why the hell would they claim they all rose up because of a book?
“See? This is what I mean, when using evolution ideas, the person who wants to put it to use decides which is the inferior race(s) and which is the superior race, most likely the person’s own race. Then, using those ideas, the person goes off to eliminate the weaker, inferior races."
Must i say it again, the jews were a scapegoat to rally his troops, well, jews, gays, gypsies, retards, so on and so forth. But as i also said if hitler really wanted for the aryan race to succeed he would have had to kill ALL other people, killing off the jews to further the aryan race would be like me killing weasel to affect your religious affiliation.
“There may have been, but the number of these types of leaders/dictators increased after evolution. And this caused more damage and war."
Increased according to what? Might you have some sort of census as to how many people seized power, waged war, killed, and caused damage BEFORE 1859? If so i’d love to see it. But at a guess, i’d say that there was infinitly more before then, ghengis khan, the black plague, alexander the great, the crusades, spanish inquisisition, revolutionary war, napoleanic wars, wars of the roses, 100 years war, the roman empire, greek empire, sparta, sorry but thats all i can think of off the top of my head at 2 in the morning. And yes, you did regain my respec for a bit, coming into a hostile board and standing behind your point, but as of late, my respect has begun to wain.
“Don’t you see what’s happening? They use Darwinism to support their ideas, to make themselves seem right."
Odd, seems to me someone would need more justification for a violent overthrow of a government then “this guy said it was a good idea”.
“No, it may not say directly, but get a person like Hitler or someone, this is how they take it, how they interpret it."
Given any document with any sort of message in it, anyone can interpret it to say what they want, what does that prove? That people will do anything to further their own ideas?
“A piece of hard to take truth."
Not quite, try again.
--- "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich” -Napoleon
Right and wrong is part of our cultural evolution. Humans are a social animals. Behavior that benefits the individual and the group tends to prevail. Destructive behavior puts the individual at risk and causes divisions in the group. The survival rate of all members decreases. Thus we have the basic rules of right and wrong. Most people adhere to them but some do not. The consequences of breaking the rules can be severe so when someone breaks the rule, they must believe that the reward is worth the risk (at least during the moment they commit the act).
Black Hydra Xc wrote:
Yep, in other words, right and wrong are subjective according to opinions.
Not neccesarily, not all. It is subjective to the survivability of the individual and the group.
If you notice, social animals have a set of rules that creates a stable social structure.
However, humans have expanded the basic set of rules into ones that don’t really have much impact on anyone. These become subjective to the opinion of an IDEAL human. Often times, this IDEAL is unattainable by humans and is only depicted in a supernatural being who is infinitely greater than humans.
I believe everything is subjective. Nothing can be objective. Think about it. Let’s say you and I are two feet away looking at a building. We would both see the building differently. Different vision, different angles, different minds to perceive the building with, etc.
--- The farther you question, the more they will hate you.
Someone who cares.... wrote:Many people claim that religion has started many wars and caused violence, I won’t agree with the idea that ALL religions cause wars and violence. But I’ll tell you, evolution has done much worse... Evolution has done much to harm mankind. A few examples to support my claim:
* Friedrich Nietzsche adopted evolution, and wrote that the only way to evolve was to have wars and kill the weaker races, in order to produce a superior race.
* William Grant Sumner put evolutionary ideas into economics, and taught America’s future industrial business leaders at Yale University that the stronger businesses should succeed and that the weaker, smaller ones should die out, that the unfit ones should not pull down the rest of society. So we see how during the industrial age, bigger businesses crushed smaller ones.
* Evolution with it’s process of natural selection taught people that the stronger nation should grow, while the weaker ones should be destroyed. It taught that violence should be used for survival of the fittest. If you helped a weakling, you were looked down upon, as if pulling down society. Natural selection taught that the strongest should fight to survive. This led to nationalism and racism. This all started WWI. Nations fighting to be the fittest, to eliminate the weakest. To bring forth the fittest nation. Many people were killed in the war.
* Communism started with evolutionary thought put to use in human history.
* WWII started with evolutionary ideas put to use making the superior race or nation.
* With evolution, we got people like Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, and others. Who sought to eliminate the weaker race or nation, and bring forth a superior race. Stalin became an athiest after reading Darwin’s books. And we know how much harm he did, killing MILLIONS of people. Hitler saw the Jewish nation as the weakling, and decided to eliminate them in the Holocaust, all with evolutionary ideas, the lives of those Jews, so many... Mussolini also read Darwin’s and Nietzsche’s works, and also believed that violence was key to social transformation. He put this to use with his dictatorship in Italy.
* When training troops for war, they read to them works of Darwin and those parts related to exterminating the weaker race or nation, and making a superior one.
* When Communism took over China, they introduced Darwinism into the schools.
* Natural selection, a mechanism of evolution, teaches people that we are savages, coming from animals, that we don’t have morality, that we should fight to survive, that only the strongest should survive, and the weaker, invalid and old and very young people should be exterminated to not pull down the human race. It teaches that stronger nations who rule and destroy weaker ones are doing good. It teaches that violence and war is what we need to exterminate the weaker humans. It teaches that only the strongest and fittest should survive, while the weaker should be destroyed.
* Evolutionary ideas are feeding people with lies, and lying to make up fraud evidence for itself.
* Natural selection is eliminating compassion and care and love and charity, and replacing it with savagery, fighting for survival, selfishness, elimination of the weaker, etc.
* Evolution makes people believe they are animals, and so the animal like behavior can be seen in some people! Evolution puts humans on a level with animals, it is putting people down.
EVOLUTION IS BRINGING THIS WORLD TO DESTRUCTION!! EVOLUTION HAS ALREADY CAUSED MANY WARS AND VIOLENCE AND DEATHS AND MURDERS AND KILLINGS!! EVOLUTION HAS PUT DOWN PEACE AND STARTED SAVAGE BEHAVIOR IN PEOPLE. EVOLUTION IS TEARING THIS WORLD APART!
STOP IT BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE! OR ELSE YOU MAY BE THE NEXT ONE TO GO IF SEEN AS WEAKER AND UNFIT BY SOMEONE ELSE!
I SAY IF ORGANISMS DIDNT “EVOLVE” WE WOULDNT BE HERE. EVOLUTION’S SIMPLEST EXAMPLE IS REAL WOMEN DONT WONT TO HAVE SEX WITH GAY OR “BI” MEN BECAUSE THE DONT WANT THIER CHILDREN TO HAVE THAT.... WHATS IT CALLED? PERSONAL TRAIT, JUST LIKE BIG EARS, BEING TALL, OR DARK SKINNED... RELIGION IS ABOUT RESPECT, AND IF EVERYONE RESPECTED OTHER RELIGIONS THERE WOULDNT BE TROUBLE, BUT PEOPLE ARE SELFISH AND IGNORANT.
woa, did not realize that was ure signiture.... im glad to seetheres at least on person who gets it, the sunday school teacher got me kicked out of sunday school cuz i said all religion was going toward the same general goal.
Someone who cares.... wrote:Many people claim that religion has started many wars and caused violence, I won’t agree with the idea that ALL religions cause wars and violence. But I’ll tell you, evolution has done much worse... Evolution has done much to harm mankind. A few examples to support my claim:
* Friedrich Nietzsche adopted evolution, and wrote that the only way to evolve was to have wars and kill the weaker races, in order to produce a superior race.
* William Grant Sumner put evolutionary ideas into economics, and taught America’s future industrial business leaders at Yale University that the stronger businesses should succeed and that the weaker, smaller ones should die out, that the unfit ones should not pull down the rest of society. So we see how during the industrial age, bigger businesses crushed smaller ones.
* Evolution with it’s process of natural selection taught people that the stronger nation should grow, while the weaker ones should be destroyed. It taught that violence should be used for survival of the fittest. If you helped a weakling, you were looked down upon, as if pulling down society. Natural selection taught that the strongest should fight to survive. This led to nationalism and racism. This all started WWI. Nations fighting to be the fittest, to eliminate the weakest. To bring forth the fittest nation. Many people were killed in the war.
* Communism started with evolutionary thought put to use in human history.
* WWII started with evolutionary ideas put to use making the superior race or nation.
* With evolution, we got people like Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, and others. Who sought to eliminate the weaker race or nation, and bring forth a superior race. Stalin became an athiest after reading Darwin’s books. And we know how much harm he did, killing MILLIONS of people. Hitler saw the Jewish nation as the weakling, and decided to eliminate them in the Holocaust, all with evolutionary ideas, the lives of those Jews, so many... Mussolini also read Darwin’s and Nietzsche’s works, and also believed that violence was key to social transformation. He put this to use with his dictatorship in Italy.
* When training troops for war, they read to them works of Darwin and those parts related to exterminating the weaker race or nation, and making a superior one.
* When Communism took over China, they introduced Darwinism into the schools.
* Natural selection, a mechanism of evolution, teaches people that we are savages, coming from animals, that we don’t have morality, that we should fight to survive, that only the strongest should survive, and the weaker, invalid and old and very young people should be exterminated to not pull down the human race. It teaches that stronger nations who rule and destroy weaker ones are doing good. It teaches that violence and war is what we need to exterminate the weaker humans. It teaches that only the strongest and fittest should survive, while the weaker should be destroyed.
* Evolutionary ideas are feeding people with lies, and lying to make up fraud evidence for itself.
* Natural selection is eliminating compassion and care and love and charity, and replacing it with savagery, fighting for survival, selfishness, elimination of the weaker, etc.
* Evolution makes people believe they are animals, and so the animal like behavior can be seen in some people! Evolution puts humans on a level with animals, it is putting people down.
EVOLUTION IS BRINGING THIS WORLD TO DESTRUCTION!! EVOLUTION HAS ALREADY CAUSED MANY WARS AND VIOLENCE AND DEATHS AND MURDERS AND KILLINGS!! EVOLUTION HAS PUT DOWN PEACE AND STARTED SAVAGE BEHAVIOR IN PEOPLE. EVOLUTION IS TEARING THIS WORLD APART!
STOP IT BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE! OR ELSE YOU MAY BE THE NEXT ONE TO GO IF SEEN AS WEAKER AND UNFIT BY SOMEONE ELSE!
Are you some fucking idiot there is no way evolution started both communisim and facisim.SInce facisim is the idea that theres one superior race and comunisims is the idea that everyone is equal and so what if evolution is being taught at schoold in china. If there comunisist it doesnt mean they have to be stupid
and hitler was christian thats why he had the “spear of jesus” and he attacked the jews and killed them because he hated his father who was jewish
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people poop wrote:
can you read hitlers mind and determine that he believed every word in the bible
He obviously didn’t believe every word in it, he 'broke' several guidelines in the bible. (either that or he skipped the pages)
Claiming you are something and actually being something are two different things.
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