#141 29 May 2006 11:10 am |
Fanart Guest | Online Predator wrote:
Fanart wrote:
come on people both of their worlds are to different to compare like that one guy stated the worlds have different physics systems if you really want to go by something go by lists of powers at their strongest. so in turn by powers alone super man wins because he is invunerable and immortal and as we’ve all seen goku has died many times and isn’t invunerable
we’ve been their and just because u r “immortal” doesn’t mean u can’t be defeated
Yes it does because if you keep getting up because you never die that means you never lose sure goku could knock him out but if he keeps waking up never needing to sleep or eat and never dyeing well thats what i’d call undefeatable | | | #142 29 May 2006 01:10 pm |
Dark Samus rocks Guest | LolersBall wrote:
Dude! Half your images don’t even work.
Anyways, that mountain thing may not have been impressive but i’m pretty sure Goku can easily lift over a billion tons too.
(considering he was moving moving small mountanins since he was a boy, lifted cars like nothing, and while going to namek he could easily lift over 7000 tons on 1 finger alone, since he did pushup 1000 times at 100x his own weight, lets take 70kg that would mean he lifted 7tons on one finger 1000 times and this goku was far from becoming a Super Saiyan)
Ugh, you wanna talk about Supes vibrating? Goku was doing that with Jeice! The supposedly fastest in the Ginyu force, when he was battling Goku and was trying to punch Goku on his maximum super speed, Goku was dodging so fast that it looked as if he was just standing still! There weren’t even any noticeable shadows or vibrations!
Take that, and Goku wasn’t even a super freakin' saiyan yet.
Hey I bet half your calculations are wrong. And even if the images don’t work guess what I proved it. Goku vibrating through Jeices attacks was filler, in the manga he just blocked their attacks. | | #143 29 May 2006 01:17 pm |
Dark Samus rocks Guest | LolersBall wrote:
LolersBall wrote:
Dude! Half your images don’t even work.
Anyways, that mountain thing may not have been impressive but i’m pretty sure Goku can easily lift over a billion tons too.
(considering he was moving moving small mountanins since he was a boy, lifted cars like nothing, and while going to namek he could easily lift over 7000 tons on 1 finger alone, since he did pushup 1000 times at 100x his own weight, lets take 70kg that would mean he lifted 7tons on one finger 1000 times and this goku was far from becoming a Super Saiyan)
Ugh, you wanna talk about Supes vibrating? Goku was doing that with Jeice! The supposedly fastest in the Ginyu force, when he was battling Goku and was trying to punch Goku on his maximum super speed, Goku was dodging so fast that it looked as if he was just standing still! There weren’t even any noticeable shadows or vibrations!
Take that, and Goku wasn’t even a super freakin' saiyan yet.
Take DBZ anime on its own as all other animes based of manga’s are taken.
Second, DBZ’ers always FOUGHT at those speeds i calculated. They never travelled at those speeds around because of Sonic Booms.
A good example you should watch is Majin Vegeta vs Goku. It was full of so high speed battles, that in the manga you had mountains, lands breaking on its own only with the sonic booms of effect of the speed they were fighting each other in, and depicted very well in the anime as well.
Since DBZ have no protection like Speed Force which Flash uses to avoid friction or sonic boom, DBZ’ers are forced to travel at slow speeds. Throughout DBZ and even for a moment in GT, Goku still travelled fast as he could without producing sonic booms. In GT you have Goku punching Super Android 17 across two continents, and Goku followed and made his trip within 2 seconds.
in any case, the numbers i’ve proved above are simple ABC logic which works in DB-DBZ all the time. Its all calculations of powerlevels.
Just that the number has become too large for Supes fanboys to comprehend.
GT wasn’t freaking made by Toriyama so it aint' cannon so quite using it and Super Saiyan 4 Goku who had trouble lifting a building. Shows how little you know the anime changed alot of things from the manga such as overexagerating characters, making fights longer, and all kinds of other stupid things. | | #144 29 May 2006 01:19 pm |
RiseOfHonor1 Guest | I have to fully agree with not only dark samus, deathlord, and Fanart that superman is definetly faster than goku, twice as strong even if Kriptinite is near, doesn’t need Ki to be able to use powerful attacks, and don’t forget Goku SS3 can only fight for a few minutes while superman can fight for weeks as stated before without sleep,or food. | | #145 29 May 2006 01:20 pm |
Dark Samus rocks Guest | DestinyGuy678 wrote:
ok on ething gogeta is goku and vegeta so that’s out of the picture, one thing is most of goku forms only last for a limited time I think the fight would go like this,
regular goku fights super man, superman gains the upperhand he goesto anyother form I think ssj2 2 would be equal to superman, ssj3 would surpass superman but in none of these forms would he be able to kill superman, and if he ever tried to go ssj4 if he could kill superman he’d go back to regular goku in a short amount of time, if that happened he be defeated he couldn’t beat superman in form one
None of Gokus forms are a match for Superman I proved it with my links. To bad the pictures don’t work. | | #146 29 May 2006 01:32 pm |
EB V3 Guest | SSJ Goku lifted 40 tons with ease....... on a planet with heavy gravity, Since the gravity was never given on the planet that Goku was training on at the time it possible that there was around up to 50 times earth graity but there was atleast ten times seeing as though all the God Planets in the Heavens have atleast 10 times the amount of gravity that Earth does so that 40 tons was no less than 400 tons by our standards. That was SSJ not even using close to full power I bet SSJ Goku at his full could lift atleast 500 tons. Still he was doing more than just lift 400 tons he had 100 tons strapped to his arm and legs and was moving around with them which would be tougher than simple lifting due to the restrainment on arms and legs rather than having your legs free and using both hands to lift. SSJ 2 Goku would be able to move around with well over a 1000 tons. So Goku probably cound’t lift a billion tons but Vegito would be able to.
Chi blast are much more powerful than punches but the only way Goku would be able to beat Superman is if he blew up the Sun, killed Superman and then wish the sun back with the Dragonballs so everyone doesn’t die. If you don’t need Kyrptonite or the destruction of the Sun to knouck out Superman I suppose Goku could win a fight by KO otherwise he’d lose. | | #147 29 May 2006 01:43 pm |
Dark Samus rocks Guest | EB V3 wrote:
SSJ Goku lifted 40 tons with ease....... on a planet with heavy gravity, Since the gravity was never given on the planet that Goku was training on at the time it possible that there was around up to 50 times earth graity but there was atleast ten times seeing as though all the God Planets in the Heavens have atleast 10 times the amount of gravity that Earth does so that 40 tons was no less than 400 tons by our standards. That was SSJ not even using close to full power I bet SSJ Goku at his full could lift atleast 500 tons.
Still he was doing more than just lift 400 tons he had 100 tons strapped to his arm and legs and was moving around with them which would be tougher than simple lifting due to the restrainment on arms and legs rather than having your legs free and using both hands to lift. SSJ 2 Goku would be able to move around with well over a 1000 tons. So Goku probably cound’t lift a billion tons but Vegito would be able to.
Chi blast are much more powerful than punches but the only way Goku would be able to beat Superman is if he blew up the Sun, killed Superman and then wish the sun back with the Dragonballs so everyone doesn’t die. If you don’t need Kyrptonite or the destruction of the Sun to knouck out Superman I suppose Goku could win a fight by KO otherwise he’d lose.
Chi blast are more powerful than puches in the in DBZ but are pathetic when it comes to Supermans punches. Please quit bringing up Vegetto he isn’t in the argument and we don’t know the limit to his strenght. Wait did you just say if Goku blew up the sun? Wha ha ha ha. Goku blowing up the sun is the stupidest idea yet. If Goku blew up the sun that would create a super nova which would wipe out Gokus family, friends, and all the people on earth. Since Superman has been to the core of the sun the supernova wouldn’t effect him. And even if there wasn’t a supernova Goku would just kill himself and everyone else because I thought they can survive -0 degrees. | | #148 29 May 2006 02:12 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 13  Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2,044 OFFLINE | How 'bout this...
Goku grabs supe, Teleports to a planet with a blue or green or red sun, draining all of supes powers, and goku flicks a booger at supe so fast, it breaks through supes forehead instantly killing him. ---
 | | #149 29 May 2006 02:18 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 13Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2,044 OFFLINE | Dark Samus rocks wrote:
LolersBall wrote:
LolersBall wrote:
Dude! Half your images don’t even work.
Anyways, that mountain thing may not have been impressive but i’m pretty sure Goku can easily lift over a billion tons too.
(considering he was moving moving small mountanins since he was a boy, lifted cars like nothing, and while going to namek he could easily lift over 7000 tons on 1 finger alone, since he did pushup 1000 times at 100x his own weight, lets take 70kg that would mean he lifted 7tons on one finger 1000 times and this goku was far from becoming a Super Saiyan)
Ugh, you wanna talk about Supes vibrating? Goku was doing that with Jeice! The supposedly fastest in the Ginyu force, when he was battling Goku and was trying to punch Goku on his maximum super speed, Goku was dodging so fast that it looked as if he was just standing still! There weren’t even any noticeable shadows or vibrations!
Take that, and Goku wasn’t even a super freakin' saiyan yet.
Take DBZ anime on its own as all other animes based of manga’s are taken.
Second, DBZ’ers always FOUGHT at those speeds i calculated. They never travelled at those speeds around because of Sonic Booms.
A good example you should watch is Majin Vegeta vs Goku. It was full of so high speed battles, that in the manga you had mountains, lands breaking on its own only with the sonic booms of effect of the speed they were fighting each other in, and depicted very well in the anime as well.
Since DBZ have no protection like Speed Force which Flash uses to avoid friction or sonic boom, DBZ’ers are forced to travel at slow speeds. Throughout DBZ and even for a moment in GT, Goku still travelled fast as he could without producing sonic booms. In GT you have Goku punching Super Android 17 across two continents, and Goku followed and made his trip within 2 seconds.
in any case, the numbers i’ve proved above are simple ABC logic which works in DB-DBZ all the time. Its all calculations of powerlevels.
Just that the number has become too large for Supes fanboys to comprehend.
GT wasn’t freaking made by Toriyama so it aint' cannon so quite using it and Super Saiyan 4 Goku who had trouble lifting a building. Shows how little you know the anime changed alot of things from the manga such as overexagerating characters, making fights longer, and all kinds of other stupid things.
does it really matter? Goku is Goku, doesn’t matter who made wut. it’s not like superman was made by the same person all the time... you guys are comparing comic supe to TV goku. if it were tv supe, who has trouble stopping buses, than there’s no way supe would win. people in comics and manga are usually stronger than their TV counter part. everyone know that.
| | #150 29 May 2006 02:20 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 13Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2,044 OFFLINE | Fanart wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
Fanart wrote:
come on people both of their worlds are to different to compare like that one guy stated the worlds have different physics systems if you really want to go by something go by lists of powers at their strongest. so in turn by powers alone super man wins because he is invunerable and immortal and as we’ve all seen goku has died many times and isn’t invunerable
we’ve been their and just because u r “immortal” doesn’t mean u can’t be defeated
Yes it does because if you keep getting up because you never die that means you never lose sure goku could knock him out but if he keeps waking up never needing to sleep or eat and never dyeing well thats what i’d call undefeatable
if and when goku knocks out supe, goku can just instantly teleport him somewhere light years away, and when supe wakes up not knowing where he is, he’s gonna be flying for quit some time with no yellow sun around.
| | #151 29 May 2006 02:22 pm |
Dark Samus rocks Guest | TrueGamer wrote:
How 'bout this...
Goku grabs supe, Teleports to a planet with a blue or green or red sun, draining all of supes powers, and goku flicks a booger at supe so fast, it breaks through supes forehead instantly killing him.
How about this Goku grabs Superman and while he’s trying to lock onto some ki with a planet like that superman punches his head off. And besides it takes a while to drain all of Supermans energy from him and there is only a red sun. | | #152 29 May 2006 02:23 pm |
Dark Samus rocks Guest | TrueGamer wrote:
Dark Samus rocks wrote:
LolersBall wrote:
LolersBall wrote:
Dude! Half your images don’t even work.
Anyways, that mountain thing may not have been impressive but i’m pretty sure Goku can easily lift over a billion tons too.
(considering he was moving moving small mountanins since he was a boy, lifted cars like nothing, and while going to namek he could easily lift over 7000 tons on 1 finger alone, since he did pushup 1000 times at 100x his own weight, lets take 70kg that would mean he lifted 7tons on one finger 1000 times and this goku was far from becoming a Super Saiyan)
Ugh, you wanna talk about Supes vibrating? Goku was doing that with Jeice! The supposedly fastest in the Ginyu force, when he was battling Goku and was trying to punch Goku on his maximum super speed, Goku was dodging so fast that it looked as if he was just standing still! There weren’t even any noticeable shadows or vibrations!
Take that, and Goku wasn’t even a super freakin' saiyan yet.
Take DBZ anime on its own as all other animes based of manga’s are taken.
Second, DBZ’ers always FOUGHT at those speeds i calculated. They never travelled at those speeds around because of Sonic Booms.
A good example you should watch is Majin Vegeta vs Goku. It was full of so high speed battles, that in the manga you had mountains, lands breaking on its own only with the sonic booms of effect of the speed they were fighting each other in, and depicted very well in the anime as well.
Since DBZ have no protection like Speed Force which Flash uses to avoid friction or sonic boom, DBZ’ers are forced to travel at slow speeds. Throughout DBZ and even for a moment in GT, Goku still travelled fast as he could without producing sonic booms. In GT you have Goku punching Super Android 17 across two continents, and Goku followed and made his trip within 2 seconds.
in any case, the numbers i’ve proved above are simple ABC logic which works in DB-DBZ all the time. Its all calculations of powerlevels.
Just that the number has become too large for Supes fanboys to comprehend.
GT wasn’t freaking made by Toriyama so it aint' cannon so quite using it and Super Saiyan 4 Goku who had trouble lifting a building. Shows how little you know the anime changed alot of things from the manga such as overexagerating characters, making fights longer, and all kinds of other stupid things.
does it really matter? Goku is Goku, doesn’t matter who made wut. it’s not like superman was made by the same person all the time... you guys are comparing comic supe to TV goku. if it were tv supe, who has trouble stopping buses, than there’s no way supe would win. people in comics and manga are usually stronger than their TV counter part. everyone know that.
But the thing is most of Supermans storys are cannon so they count. DBGT is considered non-canon by Toriyama and fans alike. | | #153 29 May 2006 02:25 pm |
Dark Samus rocks Guest | TrueGamer wrote:
Fanart wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
Fanart wrote:
come on people both of their worlds are to different to compare like that one guy stated the worlds have different physics systems if you really want to go by something go by lists of powers at their strongest. so in turn by powers alone super man wins because he is invunerable and immortal and as we’ve all seen goku has died many times and isn’t invunerable
we’ve been their and just because u r “immortal” doesn’t mean u can’t be defeated
Yes it does because if you keep getting up because you never die that means you never lose sure goku could knock him out but if he keeps waking up never needing to sleep or eat and never dyeing well thats what i’d call undefeatable
if and when goku knocks out supe, goku can just instantly teleport him somewhere light years away, and when supe wakes up not knowing where he is, he’s gonna be flying for quit some time with no yellow sun around.
You don’t got to worry about that because Goku won’t be knocking him out anytime soon. And what do you not understand about him needing to lock onto ki to teleport him. | | #154 29 May 2006 02:39 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 13Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2,044 OFFLINE | Can’t goku do solar flare to blind and stun supe for a moment? if goku can defeat janemba, which is basically all the evil concentrated into one being, i’m pretty sure goku will be more than enough to put up a fight. ---
| | #155 29 May 2006 02:41 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 13Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2,044 OFFLINE | Dark Samus rocks wrote:
TrueGamer wrote:
How 'bout this...
Goku grabs supe, Teleports to a planet with a blue or green or red sun, draining all of supes powers, and goku flicks a booger at supe so fast, it breaks through supes forehead instantly killing him.
How about this Goku grabs Superman and while he’s trying to lock onto some ki with a planet like that superman punches his head off. And besides it takes a while to drain all of Supermans energy from him and there is only a red sun.
one thing he can do is try and lock onto some ki before he grabs supe, and as soon as he locks on, he can teleport behind supe, and before supe know’s it, he’s somewhere else. goku can probably teleport him to another realm. i know supe isn’t strong enough to move through realms.
| | #156 29 May 2006 02:51 pm |
bonjour Rep: 3 Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 8,307 OFFLINE | heres one way that superman could win (there are many different scenarios depending on which each could win) Superman could punch goku into the sun, if goku was strong enough to survive, superman would win, suerman gets his energy from that kind of electromagnetic energy, it would increase his powers, then goku would be forced to go SSJ4 the battle would be even and when goku ran out of time superman would win, (goku might pass out from the extreme heat)
I also read on wikipedia, superman seems to have limits because he put mental blocks on himself so he would not become to powerful while goku just wants to become stronger, Superman is able to stop planets in there orbit and tear stars apart, things goku could not do. an article I read stated the battle in anbother scenario might go like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_Goku_%28Dragon_Ball%29#Goku_vs_Superman
I believe goku won that one because superman was ust fighting to protect himself, he had no idea why or what goku was doing
....here are some col pictures of the battle:
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/fan-art/supvsgoku.jpg
http://drowningchaos.tripod.com/goku-vs-superman.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Planet-man/attempt_supes_vs_goku.jpg ---
 | | #157 29 May 2006 02:54 pm |
Fanart Guest | okay so fisrt of all even if Goku somehow hot superman to the other side of the universe it doesn’t matter. Thats not winning in a fight thats being a pussy and running basicly. and anyways superman at his strongest could not only hear across the galaxy he could easily find a way back. and with the supernova after it exploded all that radiation that came from the blast would just power superman up to incredibly undefiateable levels of power | | #158 29 May 2006 02:56 pm |
bonjour Rep: 3Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 8,307 OFFLINE | ......In space I think superman would win on planets goku ---
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Fanart Guest | yea superman can travel through realms hes done it before | | #160 29 May 2006 03:17 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 13Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 2,044 OFFLINE | One of my favorite sayings for superman was...
*you know how strong superman is? well... have you ever heard him say “ouch”?* ---
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