Can God make a stone so heavy that he himself cannot lift it? The Answer...( and a few other things)

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It’s one question, “can god make a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it?"
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There are not two question marks in there nor any other punctuation to denote otherwise...
It’s one question who’s answer must merely meet multiple requirements, I see that all the time, it is classified as one question.
And it’s not a trick question just an extremly logical one, hell I figured it out already anyhoo.
though you can’t forget this is only denoting his physical potential, SWC does have a point where it is a very large loophole which some may use to prove god is not omnipotent, and perhaps he isn’t, but there isn’t anything saying you have to be OMNIPOTENT to be extremly powerful.
That and we cannot forget that the human vision and mind only see through around 4-5(the physical shapes we have come to know and time, whether the fourth counts or not I’ve forgotten) dimensions, the rest are unseeable, so it may also be posssible for him (god) to defy our strech of logic and be able to make a stone so heavy he cannot lift it yet still be omnipotent.

Excellent arguments from all sides though, I’ve found this thread particularily interesting...

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"It’s one question, “can god make a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it?"
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There are not two question marks in there nor any other punctuation to denote otherwise...
It’s one question who’s answer must merely meet multiple requirements, I see that all the time, it is classified as one question.
And it’s not a trick question just an extremly logical one, hell I figured it out already anyhoo.
though you can’t forget this is only denoting his physical potential, SWC does have a point where it is a very large loophole which some may use to prove god is not omnipotent, and perhaps he isn’t, but there isn’t anything saying you have to be OMNIPOTENT to be extremly powerful.
That and we cannot forget that the human vision and mind only see through around 4-5(the physical shapes we have come to know and time, whether the fourth counts or not I’ve forgotten) dimensions, the rest are unseeable, so it may also be posssible for him (god) to defy our strech of logic and be able to make a stone so heavy he cannot lift it yet still be omnipotent.

Excellent arguments from all sides though, I’ve found this thread particularily interesting..."



It’s one question, with two parts. 1. God making a stone 2. God picking up the stone


Who is to say these two parts have to go together? Who says this proves anything? Trick questions with loopholes do not prove anything.

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well, someone actually said something smart or “logical”

the question has loopholes

and God can change his physical strength at will so he can be too weak to lift it ot strong enough to lift it
so it’s really based on how strong he makes himself

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Omg, I’m so sick of you idiots. The question is valid. It’s not a trick question, it’s a yes or no question. Just because your religion/belief has never trained you to understand or answer it does not mean it’s a trick question. Your just too ignorant to know the answer.

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no, it’s goign upon the assumption that God can only do 1 thing point is

1. he can do it
2. he can’t do it

he can do either

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It doest have to be big. It can be infintesimaly small and still be heavy. The wonders of density. But, if he did pick up the rock, that would mean it wasn’t to heavy, am I correct?
It doesn’t matter if the question has a loophole,it is still a valid question.

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if a question has a loophole or hole it is not a valid question

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If he can’t then he can’t do everything.

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I’m glad that some of you see the answer.


Let me clarify something.

God can do everything while he has his powers. Once he loses it, then he can’t. Simple as that.

This is not a trick question. You have to get that out of your mentality before you see the answer. It’s just a simple yes or no question.


If you’re having trouble answering the question then start with these:

Can God kill himself?
Can God lose his powers?
Can God make someone else stronger than him?

Please answer those questions. It’s very painful watching you trying to grasp the answer when it is so simple. No offence but you guys almost sound like special ed. students.

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....I hate the loophole type questions they are really confusing

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No, The Name, you don’t get it. And to say that they are like special ed students when you just pulled an answer out of your ass without barely thinking about the deeper meaning of the question is remarkable. The thing is, there is no right or wrong answer. It’s more of a rhetorical question. It’s point is to prove that it’s beyond any form of logic to be omnipotent.

Obviously, YOU don’t get it, because all you’re doing with your other questions is re-stating the question already at hand, a question that has no logical answer. What’s really sad is seeing you try to piece this problem together. You want the deeper meaning? Here, first let’s look at the dictionary deffinition of the word:

om·nip·o·tent “omnipotent” adj.

Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful.

Basically, it means one can do everything. But that can’t be possible, because a little thing also falls into the category of “everything”...NOTHING! So being Omnipotent would require one to do something without doing something.

This is not a yes or no question as you say it is, but is rather a question that is not made to be answered, but show that the very word “omnipotent," is in itself, and oxymoron. No this question does not prove nor disprove the existance of God, but shows that the almighty power he is supposed to have is impossible to all forms of the meaning of the word.

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no, he can choose to do either

he can make himself too weak and the boulder too heavy

and he can make his strength infinite

he can do BOTH

he can do anything he wants

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u know if God can’t lose his powers he owuldn’t be omnipotent
but if he can lose his powers he is omnipotent until he actually loses them

and ofcourse he can make a being more powerful than himself and obviously he wouldn’t be all powerful if he made a being more powerful than himself
but he NEVER made any being more powerful than himself so he IS all the almighty one

u see what ur saying, ur saying that if someone is stronger than God than God isn’t the most powerful
but there is one problem with that
THERE IS NO ONE MIGHTIER THAN GOD

it’s like saying if Jim Carrey could bench 3,000 lbs. he’d be stronger than Arnold
but he CAN’T

u r going by what if’s in ur own parallel unviverse

and next God does not go by our rules nor the rules of Earth nor logic
he is God
MAGIC does not go by any rules except the ones it creates, that’s y it’s magic
it’s not science

and if u r supposedly some great philosopher like u believe urself to be with ur whole gG is weak crap than y r u insulting those who disagree with u
maybe because u know u just ran into a wall

God is OMNIPOTENT

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Atresac,
You’ve left out my questions:
Can God kill himself?
Can God lose his powers?
Can God make someone else stronger than him?
If you are omnipotent then you must be able to do those things.


“Can God do something without doing something?", that is a whole different question you’re asking. This question(The Rock) has an answer.

Your question is like asking, “Can you do a backflip without doing a backflip?".

I guess if you wanna take that question seriously and ask God then his answer is no. BUT if you look at it closer, WHO can do something without doing something? NO ONE.


the21gamer,
I’m not saying that God will make someone else stronger that himself. I’m just stating the possibility.

I’m going by what if’s in my own parallel universe? And you’re asking that because I asked a Can question not an if question, right? If I am then welcome to my universe pal. Read the Topic question.

You’re Christian are you not? If so, I want you to search the Bible for the word “magic”. You’ll be surprised because you won’t find much.

I don’t believe that I’m a great philosopher. Where did you hear that? Oh! I get it. You thought that I was a great philosopher. Haha. You flatter me. Haha.

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No, I addressed you questions in my reply.

“all you’re doing with your other questions is re-stating the question already at hand”

Your other questions, are litterally just a different way of saying what you already have.

As for my “something/not something," is directly related to the rock question. Because what you fail to see is the deeper meaning. You are fixed on the idea the rock question has an answer, but the point of the question is not to be answered. It’s a rhetorhical question. The point is to make you think on a deeper level. But you can’t break the surface of the question. All you can see is from the capital letter to the question mark. But that’s not the point of the question. Your other questions, suicide, powers, strength, are all more rhetorhical questions.

Anyone CAN answer a rhetorhical question, but there’s never a RIGHT answer for one. The “right” answer, so to say, is no answer, but thinking is the answer.

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The Name- the bible does mention magic ALOT, maybe not by it’s name but they do mention magic
if it’s not magic than what is it
science, if u r saying it’s science than u really have no idea what ur talking about

what is creating the Earth out of nothing
MAGIC

what is walking on water
MAGIC

what is creating man out of sand
MAGIC

what is healing someone just by touching them
MAGIC

what is teleportign and yes Jesus teleports or appears instantly to shore after his miracle
MAGIC

the list goes on and on and on

u want to know y a bunch of churches hate magic and harry potter
because it has magic that isn’t God’s magic
they don’t like that

and yes u r living in ur own little world asking questions that with holes in them and expecting them to get the answer u want

GOD can do anything he wants and he can do nothing

what u r saying is he isn’t omnipotent
but he is omnipotent until he decides no longer to be omnipotent

and no i don’t think u r a great philosopher because obviously ur question has a lack of thought and is rhetorical as others have proven
and u have “thought” alot about it
yet if u actually thought about it it is either u haven’t or u r just a moron if u haven’t arrived at the correct answer yet

the answer is...














there is no answer



answering ur question is like answering

the chicken and the egg

or

to conquer the past u need to master time, to master time u need to conquer the past




if anything u r probably just trying to bang down on Judaism, the Muslim religion, Christianity, Catholicism, and other religions out of spite

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and on the philosopher crap u act like u think ur the all knowing philosopher yet u r unable to take in what everyone has said and counter it

all u can do is repeat the same crap over and over again like ur some wise old fart

and when someone proves it wrong u repeat it again and insult them