Can God make a stone so heavy that he himself cannot lift it? The Answer...( and a few other things)

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Wow. That’s a long post. Let me start with Atresac.

You say that I am fixed on the idea that the question has an answer? But, really, are you not fixed on the idea that this question is rhetoric?

Rhetoric questions aren’t meant to be answered. But sometimes it really depends on the person who asks the question. Take for example, “What’s wrong with you?". Since we’re all asking this question(The Rock) I guess it is rhetoric to some of us. It’s rhetoric to the atheist, it’s rhetoric to someone who can’t accept the very thought of God losing his powers. But it’s not rhetoric to me because I believe in God and I can accept God’s ability to lose his powers.

But my previous questions aka “suicide, powers, strength” are not rhetorical because I asked them.

“GOD CAN DO ANYTHING”, that towers above everything.
God CAN kill himself.
God CAN lose his strength.
God CAN make someone else stronger than himself.
And
God, definitely CAN make a rock so heavy that he himself cannot lift it.



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The power of God is not magic. Maybe you and I have different definitions of the word “magic”.

The answer to all your “what is” questions is God’s power. If it is magic then the Bible should have the word “magic” crawling all over itself. But, you know, you still make me laugh. If you were alive back in the ancient times, I can picture you saying “What is water falling from the sky? MAGIC!", haha you crack me up.

Whatever you call the world I’m living in you will always be in it as long as your mind drifts into this Topic.

Hey buddy, remember, I’m not the one who brought up the philosopher topic, you did.

Like I told Atresac, it’s a rhetorical question to you not me.

As for the “chicken or the egg” question, the answer is, “the chicken came first”. Because God made the chicken.

And for your “to conquer the past u need to master time, to master time u need to conquer the past”, that’s exactly the same as “Can you do a backflip without doing a backflip” question. It is not like the “Can God make a stone so heavy that he himself cannot lift it?" question.

Trying to bang down on Judaism, Islam, Christianity? What are you talking about??? The Topic is “Can God make a stone so heavy that he himself cannot lift it? The Answer...( and a few other things)", not “lets bang down on Judaism, Islam, Christianity like 21 says we should”.


For your 17 Jun 2006 10:55 pm post, like i said, if you see(or saw) me as a philosopher that’s fine with me. I never brought up that subject, you did. I said I was just an ordinary high school kid didnt I?

And let’s put it this way:
Am i the one who can’t take what everyone says? Or are you the one who can’t take what I say?(<<<That was a rhetorical question by the way)And how many times, exactly have i been repeating things? And I only said an insult once(before this post). While others say insults all the time and you say nothing to them. Gee, I guess people dont expect insults from a philosopher, huh? Hahahaha.

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I know the answer. I’ve known it for longer than you. So if you were referring to me when you say we sound like special ed. students, your very mistaken.

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No, i wasn’t referring to you when I said special ed. students. But seriously, can’t you guys(All of you) take a joke? Just because i started this topic doesn’t mean i can’t say those things. Do you guys prefer “retard” over “special ed."?(That’s a joke too, and i know you’re not laughing but i dont care)

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Thank you for specifying that. I don’t care if you joke. Just try and specify who your talking to. Thanks.

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And what do you guys have against special ed. students anyways?

Has anyone here ever watched “The Ringer”? The movie where this guy pretended to be a retard. There’s this scene where he was trying to explain this simple story to all of the retards. He thought it was going to be easy but it didn’t turn out that way.

And I thought it was gonna be easy telling you guys all about this rock thing. But it wasn’t. Just like the movie.

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Yeah, you’re welcome, Black Hydra Xc.

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Well, I guess BH was right about the whole subjectivness.

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The Name- no, it is a rhetorical question and Atresac proved it
it has a loophole

and u have not countered anything i have put against u

u haven’t even answered my question

if God’s power is not magic then what is it?
either way it falls into the definition of magic because it needs no explanation and does not go by the rules of science

and what does shit falling from the sky have to do with anything

and the chicken did not go 1st because in evolution people can say the egg came 1st
then everything becomes contradictory adn so on and so forth

u see, it’s all perspactive and depends on what u want to believe and therefore it becomes rhetorical

but the question already has a hole in it
i already said God is all powerful until he does something that makes him no longer all powerful

if he can do anything he is all powerful because he can both lift the stone and can’t lift the stone

so the answer is yes and no

it’s not one or the other like u claim
if he is all powerful he can do both
and he is all powerful so he can do both
plus God doesn’t go by our rules

and i said u act like u know everything and u go mocking everyone who doesn’t agree with u or finds the holes in ur question
and u act like ur some stupid annoying philosopher who came up with some new history changing crap
that does not mean i think u r
be cause im saying ur not
ur just acting like an ASS

and don’t go twisting my words because what u r doing is indeed offensive and is beating down on the religions that do believe in God in soem form or another
especially with ur mocking of those that believe he is omnipotent and all powerful and all that crap

if u indeed r not beating down on any religions then

stop with ur insulting and mockery

stop twisting people’s words

actually start debating
and counter something

and if u can’t counter anything
then u lost
end of debate

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...I have to go so sorry if you were talking to me. I will read that tomorrow. Bye

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21,
I just told Atresac that sometimes it depends on the person who asks the question. Like the question “What is wrong with you?", that can be a rhetorical question but it can also be a serious question. So in your case it is a rhetorical question and i won’t force you to see it my way. But in my case it is not a rhetorical question and hopefully you won’t force me to see it your way.

Honestly, we are all stubborn.

I haven’t countered anything you’ve put against me? Have you countered anything I’ve said? You say that I repeat the same thing over and over again. You do that too. The only difference is that you rephrase it, scramble the words, disguise it to make it look like you’ve said something new. But it’s basically the same idea. Sometimes it’s even more confusing. “its a rhetorical question(rhetoric=doesn’t really need answering)", then you say “He can do both”. If it’s rhetoric then why do you care for the answer so much?

I am not saying that God isn’t omnipotent. You say I’m twisting your words but you’re taking your words and shoving it in my mouth. God is all powerful. God is omnipotent. God can do anything. God can lose his powers IF HE WANTS TO. I never said God isn’t omnipotent! Don’t lie!


“i already said God is all powerful until he does something that makes him no longer all powerful”

YES! YES! God! I’ve been saying that too.


“if he can do anything he is all powerful because he can both lift the stone and can’t lift the stone

so the answer is yes and no”

Now, like my first paragraph says, I’m not gonna force you to see it my way. But, I gotta say, I am very tempted. I’ll just give this a very short reply: The question is “Can make” not “Can lift”. There, the end. Only one sentence. It’s not much of a reply, I know, It’s more like a reminder.


“if God’s power is not magic then what is it?"

Oh, gosh. God’s power is God’s power. The answer is right in front of you. Some people call it Holy Spirit.
But whatever, call it “magic”, do what ever you want.


“and what does shit falling from the sky have to do with anything”

Ugh. You don’t understand. Never mind. You’re mind must still be processing all the other information.

“and the chicken did not go 1st because in evolution people can say the egg came 1st
then everything becomes contradictory adn so on and so forth”

Bad news buddy, I don’t believe in evolution. God made the chicken, which laid the egg.

“if he can do anything he is all powerful because he can both lift the stone and can’t lift the stone”

Once again I’ll make this short. God CAN do anything. No one says “God can’t do anything” or “God can can’t do anything”. There is a difference between can’t and can. Obviously they are total opposites. You didn’t know that?


As for me mocking everyone, look around you. The only one who feels mocked around here is you. If you’re reffering to me saying “special ed.", read post #65.

I don’t act like a philosopher, you see me that way.

And in my opinion, you’re the one who is acting like an “ASS” because, really, I haven’t done anything wrong. There are other’s in here and they are not as pissed as you are. In fact, I think you have insulted me more than I have anyone.

This can’t be the end of a debate because we haven’t even debated. This is an argument and I’m glad you are willing to end it.

And, lastly, debates are meant to enlighten people. People debate so they can achieve greater knowledge. People must have respect when debating. As for you, you show an enormous amount of disrespect hatred for me. You are not qualified for a debate.

End of argument.

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excuse me
u r the one who keeps saying other r the lowest in terms of brains
just look at the way u write adn yes i am qualified for a debate because i have debated in real life and won

and no i do not twist my own words because i am not going against myself


and God be able to lift a rock is related to the question can God makes a rock and so on
it’s called dissecting, that’s what u do in a debate to win
and this was a debate until everybody started going crazy so i say we make peace and actually debate if there is anymore debating left to do

and no i am not trying ot stuff my beliefs down ur throat im only trying to get u to see that the question had a hole and has no right answer and is based on beliefs

and i just got u to say what i wanted u to say
it is all based upon belief
therefore there is no right answer to the question
as with the chicken and the egg there is no right answer
it’s all what u believe
therefore the question cannot be answered based upon fact as it is what u believe

i think the argument just ended

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With the chicken and the egg, I actually talked to my friends mother about this, (some sort of a biologist). Neither came first. If you believe in evolution, you will realize that it’s easily possible for them to have evolved that way. Many believe that birds evolved from dinosaurs, and other reptiles. In that case, they just evolved over a long period of time. The egg, and the creature that lays the egg would have over time evolved to lay an egg. Before that, it could have been, but very unlikely been live birth. The more reasonably realistic answer is that the chicken and the egg evolved from a very primitive creature.

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the21gamer,
I’m glad that you have decided to make peace. You are a good person and so am I. We are just imperfect. I apologize for whatever harm I’ve caused.

I never said that “others are the lowest in terms of brains”. Sure, it may seem that way because of the way I type. But I am only typing like this because I think it is a good habit. My typing skills have improved and I won’t compromise that just so others can seem a little bit smarter.

Congratulations on the debate you’ve won. But I don’t think you and your opponent were degrading each other like we were. That’s why I said you weren’t qualified for a debate. I also said that because you seemed a bit over-aggressive and I felt I should hit you with what you hit me. Again I apologize for that.

I’m sorry but I dont recall myself saying that you twist your own words.

As for the “God making rock and God lifting it”, I felt that we’ve forgotten what this whole topic was about because we’ve only been talking about the “lift”. Like I said, It was more of a reminder.

As for you “trying to stuff your beliefs down my throat”, I’m not really sure what you are talking about. You might’ve said that because I said “you’re taking your words and shoving it in my mouth”. I said that because you said(in post #59) that i said that God isn’t omnipotent, but I didn’t, wasn’t.

Did I say what you wanted me to say?
Are you reffering to this:
“I just told Atresac that sometimes it depends on the person who asks the question."?

When I said that, I wasn’t talking about the answer. I was talking about the question being rhetoric or not. The question is rhetoric to you but not to me. Here’s another question: “What’s wrong with you?". That can be both a rhetoric and serious question. It all depends on the situation. And when I said I wasn’t going to force you to see it my way, I said that because we see the question in different ways.

As for the chicken and the egg, I’m sorry to disapoint you. There is a right answer. Why? How is that possible? Because of Truth. Because of Fact. Because of Reality. It’s not what you believe because what you believe can be wrong.
Still not convinced?
Do you remember when almost everybody believed that the world was flat? It isn’t.

Truth, Fact, Reality shatter all the wrong and leave only one standing. Right.

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I think the chicken came first. Becuase the first chicken wouldn’t have come from a chicken, it would have come from a chicken-like chicken...thing that layed a “chicken-thing” egg from which the chicken came from, not a chicken egg. So the chicken came first. Then the true chicken egg came from that chicken.

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Tha Name- I’m glad we made peace and it was actually a good debate besides us hating each other

and sorry for any harm I may have caused and for being over-aggresive when ever I debate
that’s how I win
I find every single little error and gather as much as possible and eventually overwhelm my opponent and get them to say what what i needed them to say
or start contradicting themselves

plus I’m known to be very agressive, especially football, though I don’t go around fouling in sports

and if u reread ur last post i think u may find a few words i wanted u to say but

overall u have pointed out some good things on ur side
and have debated well
and i do look forward to future debates

lets just hope we don’t start hating each other again

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Wow...I’m bored.

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the21gamer,
That’s nice! Peace! I accept your apologies.

Interesting strategy. But personally, it seems that your number one priority is to win. No offence, of course.

As for me, I was a bit closed-minded in the beginning. I didn’t really take the time to understand what you were saying. But then I started to try to understand and I just decided to agree to whatever sounds right and disagree to whatever sounds wrong.

I reread my last post and I’m not sure if I said what you wanted me to say. But that’s mostly because I’m not sure what you want me to say.

Personally, I think we both failed in changing each others minds because I still think that the answer is yes and you still think that the answer is not yes. But yes, we both did good. (my mind has changed a bit because I see how this question can be rhetorical)

I don’t think we will hate each other. But if that happens, I’m sure we will realize that and end it sooner than our previous argument.

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yeah, the debate wasp retty useless but on the other hand we both gained more knowledge