| 14 Jun 2006 08:27 pm |
21 Guest | not all sith have mastered destroying a planet
the problem with sucking the life out of a planet is that u become dependant on it and u have to do it
u see, the sith can easily suck the force out of anyone who isn’t trained in the ways of the force
and when the force is sucked out of them
THEY DIE because teh force is life
it’s that simple, they just suck it out of Goku
im sure u guys have play KOTOR, it has variations of it, if not then play it again or at least read the books or something
and Yoda can easily send the blasts back at Goku because 1 they r not as powerful as the force and Palpatine’s powers
and 2 they r not force blasts and take less effort to send flying back
and i NEVER said jedi would lose against an army
i said they can defeat an army but they hold back most of the time
and i said that using teh force on 1 target is easy for a jedi unless it is another jedi or sith
and Goku is 1 target
they can pick him out of the sky
w/out a problem
and the force is stronger than chi
because without the force there is NO LIFE
the force has its own will and is the life around u
and in star wars there is magic like the chi, and they r nothing compared to the force
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| 14 Jun 2006 08:37 pm |
bonjour Rep: 2  Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 8,307 OFFLINE | I’m not sure saiyens in general aren’t that strong none of them had the power goku and vegeta had jedis seem to be extremely skilled though
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| 14 Jun 2006 10:01 pm |
EB V3 Guest | Most Sayins were feared warriors known for conquering planets by themselves or in small groups, and were talking about planets that had a lot of chi users.
Also if the Jedi are so uber against non-force users, then how come General Grievous owned so many of them, and Jango Fett and the Droidekas pose such a threat to them? Hell the average Jedi is probably isn’t much tougher than the average Super Battle Droid, which would be much weaker than the average Sayin.
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| 14 Jun 2006 10:32 pm |
21 Guest | 1. droidekas have shields, something u need bgi guns for
2. General Grevious was trained in their arts, he may have been limited with the force but he knew how to fight them
3. Jango knows how to fight jedi
4. jedi have been known to conquer planets one their own or with very little jedi, easily
5. sith have been known to obliterate planets with ease
6. 1 sith lord in particular almost destroyed the galaxy altogether using the force
7. the jedi have powers that r spiritual attacks and not actual physical attacks
something Goku has no form of defense against
8. obviously not all jedi r going to be strong as the sayains seem to be pretty weak considering at the beginning of DBZ the best sayains r shown and didn’t take much to defeat
9. sayains r known to be weakminded or in other words easily fooled, i swear someone tricked em with ease before...
10. because of #9 jedi can just mind control the sayains
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| 14 Jun 2006 10:34 pm |
The Pendragon Rep: 34 Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | If I remember my research correctly grevious was a normal carbon biped but he was injured or something along those lines which is why he has organs but the majority of his body is mechanical, so it would make sense he could use the force. (along same lines as Vader)
But yea otherwise he was pretty skilled with the sabers for sure.
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| 15 Jun 2006 12:22 am |
EB V3 Guest | 21 wrote:
1. droidekas have shields, something u need bgi guns for
2. General Grevious was trained in their arts, he may have been limited with the force but he knew how to fight them
3. Jango knows how to fight jedi
4. jedi have been known to conquer planets one their own or with very little jedi, easily
5. sith have been known to obliterate planets with ease
6. 1 sith lord in particular almost destroyed the galaxy altogether using the force
7. the jedi have powers that r spiritual attacks and not actual physical attacks
something Goku has no form of defense against
8. obviously not all jedi r going to be strong as the sayains seem to be pretty weak considering at the beginning of DBZ the best sayains r shown and didn’t take much to defeat
9. sayains r known to be weakminded or in other words easily fooled, i swear someone tricked em with ease before...
10. because of #9 jedi can just mind control the sayains
1. Big whoop lasers from a Naboo fighter easily took out those Droideka with sheilds, the force should be able to do that much easier
2.Yeah that might be a problem if the Sayins weren’t used to fighting a new powerful foe and if they didn’t have superior speed and power.
3. See 2
4. Really? A small group of some of the higher level Jedi could, like the ones on the Counsle and the ones with the rank of Master, but the average jo Jedi could not.
5. Sith Obliterate Planets? Since when? And why would the most powerful Sith Lord build the Death Star then?
6.Who? Lucas himselfsaid that Palpetine was the most powerful Sith Lord, and see number 5 for the rest.
7. Besides super speed and enough chi that even a weaker blast would be able to kill any Jedi and destroy the surronding. The Jedi would have a better chance of surviving if they had a Satchel Charge strapped to theor back, even if they didn’t use any force powers to move it.
8. At the begginig of DBZ, it took a gap in the chest, larger than like 3 Yodas put together from an uber attack to kill a sayin. It took Goku multiplying his strength,a super powered Kamehameha Wave capable of destroying the Earth,Krillin throwing the Genkai Dama,a good slash to the back, and the Great Ape Gohan to defeat Vegeta, and he survived all that too.
9.Vegeta was able to resist Babidi’s Mind Control. No Jedi mind trick will work on someone like that.
10.See 9
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| 15 Jun 2006 01:28 am |
21 Guest | u r not listening to everything i am saying
both the jedi and sayains have weaker ones
and superior strength and speed means nothing when they can just absorb Goku’s life force
and yes sith have been able to obliterate planets with the force
plz refer to the comics and to KOTOR 2 where oen such sith was able to absorb all life on planets, destroying them
i’ve said this before and u r obviously just ignoring what im saying,
now palpatine does not do that because it will consume him and he will not be able to survive without feeding off of other planets
and as i have stated before chi is no match for the force
the force surrounds everything and is in everything
the force is chi but more
it is all the magic in the universe
it is life
chi is just a small part of the force as everything is, though using chi does not mean u r using the force
remember the force is stronger than magic, including babidi’s
and Vegeta is weak minded, he would easily be controlled by jedi
and they’ll just use the force to send any blasts sent their way right back at Goku
and there is no need for them to even fight
because they will just absorb Goku’s life force
and Goku has no defense against an attack like that
this is something i said earlier but u have never countered it
so before we move on plz counter it because this will be my only answer for now on
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| 15 Jun 2006 11:17 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0  Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,827 OFFLINE | the21gamer wrote:
no the force is not determined by the strength of somone
Windu is stronger than Yoda but not anywhere near as strong as Yoda is in the force
the jedi' power in the force is not determined by how much they can bench
same as Goku whose blasts' power is not determined by how strong he is
strength and magic r 2 separate things, don’t combine them
and if u watched the cartoons, read the books, and read the comics
u would see one jedi take on an entire army of people
they just choose to restrain themselves most of the time
it indeed takes concentration but that does not mean they have to just stand there
u notice how jedi uset he force but they don’t stand there like idiots
and actually yes he force can be used to destroy entire planets and even the galaxy but only by the really strong and demented sith
and Goku is only 1 person
not an entire army
so the jedi only needs to concentrate on him and no one else
and the force can be used to prevent teleportation
anyways as i said before they can just suck up his life with the force
no need for choking
and teh force can be used to absorb Goku’s blasts and even to send them right back at him
and jedi can easily defeat flying targets
it’s called the force
the can just freaking force pull em or whatever else they want to do
and jedi can move faster than then speed of sound if they if they r strong enough in the force
and don’t mix up the force with a force
because the force is within every living thing
so Goku can be limited by the force
and he cna also be slown down lik hell or even paralyzed
you are so right because in the cartoons mace windu takes out a whole army and also yes i agree
in the cartoons grievous was much more stronger in the cartoon than the movie because in the cartoon he took out four jedis and he doesnt even have the force
This is who i really am!
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| 15 Jun 2006 11:24 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,827 OFFLINE | 21 wrote:
u r not listening to everything i am saying
both the jedi and sayains have weaker ones
and superior strength and speed means nothing when they can just absorb Goku’s life force
and yes sith have been able to obliterate planets with the force
plz refer to the comics and to KOTOR 2 where oen such sith was able to absorb all life on planets, destroying them
i’ve said this before and u r obviously just ignoring what im saying,
now palpatine does not do that because it will consume him and he will not be able to survive without feeding off of other planets
and as i have stated before chi is no match for the force
the force surrounds everything and is in everything
the force is chi but more
it is all the magic in the universe
it is life
chi is just a small part of the force as everything is, though using chi does not mean u r using the force
remember the force is stronger than magic, including babidi’s
and Vegeta is weak minded, he would easily be controlled by jedi
and they’ll just use the force to send any blasts sent their way right back at Goku
and there is no need for them to even fight
because they will just absorb Goku’s life force
and Goku has no defense against an attack like that
this is something i said earlier but u have never countered it
so before we move on plz counter it because this will be my only answer for now on
and yes a jedi can control goku because gokus always been the sort of slow one and since he has a weak mind a jedi can easily control it
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| 15 Jun 2006 01:54 pm |
The Diabolical One... Rep: 2 Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 5,320 OFFLINE | ok Goku does not have a weak mind... just cause he is not very smart doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a weak mind...
Goku is a very strong willed person and will acomplish whatever he really wants to do... he may not be that smart but he has great will power and could easily resist some mind tricks that work on people with less force of will...
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| 15 Jun 2006 02:10 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,827 OFFLINE | yes but a dumb mind is all a jedi needs
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| 15 Jun 2006 04:06 pm |
21 Guest | cloud 9 wrote:
yes but a dumb mind is all a jedi needs
— This is who i really am —
LMAO, dark u just got OWNED!!!
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| 15 Jun 2006 04:07 pm |
21 Guest | dark99 wrote:
ok Goku does not have a weak mind... just cause he is not very smart doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a weak mind...
Goku is a very strong willed person and will acomplish whatever he really wants to do... he may not be that smart but he has great will power and could easily resist some mind tricks that work on people with less force of will...
so how can Goku defend hismefl from having his life force sucked out of him
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| 15 Jun 2006 04:54 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,827 OFFLINE | 21 wrote:
cloud 9 wrote:
yes but a dumb mind is all a jedi needs
— This is who i really am —
LMAO, dark u just got OWNED!!!
I mean i like goku but im jut being honest he is pretty dumb to get his mind tooken over easily by a jedi
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| 15 Jun 2006 06:00 pm |
The Diabolical One... Rep: 2Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 5,320 OFFLINE | no I didn’t 21...
and i seriously doubt that a jedi could mind control a person who is so dedicated to what they are doing that they are willing to die for it... when Goku fights he has a one track mind and is so focused that I doubt anything could make him lose that... especially some mind control... and if they can suck out your life how come THEY NEVER DO THAT... they never do half the things you say they do 21... every one of them is barely a match for a couple dozen droids...
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| 15 Jun 2006 06:07 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 33 Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,667 OFFLINE | dark99 wrote:
no I didn’t 21...
and i seriously doubt that a jedi could mind control a person who is so dedicated to what they are doing that they are willing to die for it... when Goku fights he has a one track mind and is so focused that I doubt anything could make him lose that... especially some mind control... and if they can suck out your life how come THEY NEVER DO THAT... they never do half the things you say they do 21... every one of them is barely a match for a couple dozen droids...
they do do that, it’s called the comics
and u probably haven’t even played KOTOR
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| 15 Jun 2006 07:00 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 0Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,827 OFFLINE | the21gamer wrote:
dark99 wrote:
no I didn’t 21...
and i seriously doubt that a jedi could mind control a person who is so dedicated to what they are doing that they are willing to die for it... when Goku fights he has a one track mind and is so focused that I doubt anything could make him lose that... especially some mind control... and if they can suck out your life how come THEY NEVER DO THAT... they never do half the things you say they do 21... every one of them is definetly to much a match for a couple billion droids...
they do do that, it’s called the comics
and u probably haven’t even played KOTOR
i know play KOTOR its awesome and they do do those things in the movie ,comics and cartoon
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| 29 Apr 2008 06:17 pm |
NicknameD Guest | LMAO! it’s so abvious that Goku would win. LOL MAsster Roshi is enough to take on any Jedi 1 on 1.
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| 29 Apr 2008 06:18 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 47 Joined: 04 Mar 2008 Posts: 9,018 ONLINE | Dumbest Thread EVER
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