Uh oh *one winged angel theme*Sephiroth versus Ganondorf!!!!!!!!Yes Jenova’s One winged angel versus the wielder of the triforce of power square off.Yes thats right Link and Cloud’s foe fight it out in THE ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN EVER!
Well actually Ganon does hav the power of the triforce of power and that he was multiple series of attacks.One is his usual sword play but he was 2 types of ways.In windwalker he can duel wield and in the n64 game he wielded a huge sword.Another fact is that he can also go into “Pig” form(yes the really huge one).Pig mode is kinda like a magic wielding form like Shooting huge shadowblasts or a lightning strike.And he also uses Puppet Ganon(from wind walker) whihc may aide him in battle.Now if he was able to get Zelda and Link he would be unstoppable(if he could defeat them).Plus hes moves from Super Smash Bros makes him a great close up combatant when he occurs to lose his sword and such.
P.S Wait if Cloud cannot beat Sephiroth how does that explain the movie?
let me do a short explanation of Sephiroth in the game and movie
In the Video game, Jenova takes the form of Sephiroth, it was Jenova who killed president Shinra, it was Jenova who killed Aerith, Sephiroth was in the crater throughout most of the game. At the end of the game you fight 4 times,the first is Jenova Synthesis, the second is Bizzaro Sephy, the third Safer Seph, and the last just Sephiroth. These Sephiroths are in fact, still Jenova, at first you fight Jenova Synthesis, that’s Jenova’s Head, then you fight Bizzaro Sephiroth, that’s Jenova’s body, then it’s safer, that is the combination of the head of Jenova and the body, the last figth is a mental battle within Cloud’s mind.
In the Movie, you’ll notice that right before Sephiroth appears, Kadaj absorbs Jenova’s head, what does that tell you? In the Movie, Jenova’s head caused Kadaj’s physical form to change into that of Sephiroth, and Jenova controled him.
That explains the movie, Cloud can’t even beat Sephiroth, Seph is immortal, in the Nibelheim Flash back, they fought a Dragon, and the Dragon’s attacks did Zero damage to Sephiroth, so he’s also impervious to damage... apparently, that also explains how Cloud was able to stab that gigantic 3 foot wide sword through Sephiroth’s stomach (thus severing all of Seph’s organs) and survive.
Cid wrote:
let me do a short explanation of Sephiroth in the game and movie
In the Video game, Jenova takes the form of Sephiroth, it was Jenova who killed president Shinra, it was Jenova who killed Aerith, Sephiroth was in the crater throughout most of the game. At the end of the game you fight 4 times,the first is Jenova Synthesis, the second is Bizzaro Sephy, the third Safer Seph, and the last just Sephiroth. These Sephiroths are in fact, still Jenova, at first you fight Jenova Synthesis, that’s Jenova’s Head, then you fight Bizzaro Sephiroth, that’s Jenova’s body, then it’s safer, that is the combination of the head of Jenova and the body, the last figth is a mental battle within Cloud’s mind.
In the Movie, you’ll notice that right before Sephiroth appears, Kadaj absorbs Jenova’s head, what does that tell you? In the Movie, Jenova’s head caused Kadaj’s physical form to change into that of Sephiroth, and Jenova controled him.
That explains the movie, Cloud can’t even beat Sephiroth, Seph is immortal, in the Nibelheim Flash back, they fought a Dragon, and the Dragon’s attacks did Zero damage to Sephiroth, so he’s also impervious to damage... apparently, that also explains how Cloud was able to stab that gigantic 3 foot wide sword through Sephiroth’s stomach (thus severing all of Seph’s organs) and survive.
Wrong.
Jenova was under Sephiroth’s control the entire time. Jenova-BIRTH, -LIFE, and -DEATH were just the parts of Jenova taking the form of Sephiroth, performing his will. Then you fought the head, -SYNTHESIS, before doing battle with Sephiroth himself. If anything, Bizarro is Jenova and Sephiroth, and Safer is Sephiroth true form, the fallen angel. Then, Cloud still had to fight Sephiroth’s spiritual form. That’s when Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo were formed, when he was defeated. Read the Ultimecia Guide to FF7.
BTW, Sephiroth would likely win. I love Ganondorf, but damn, if Sephiroth isn’t stronger...
Jenova was under Sephiroth’s control the entire time. Jenova-BIRTH, -LIFE, and -DEATH were just the parts of Jenova taking the form of Sephiroth, performing his will. Then you fought the head, -SYNTHESIS, before doing battle with Sephiroth himself. If anything, Bizarro is Jenova and Sephiroth, and Safer is Sephiroth true form, the fallen angel. Then, Cloud still had to fight Sephiroth’s spiritual form. That’s when Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo were formed, when he was defeated. Read the Ultimecia Guide to FF7.
BTW, Sephiroth would likely win. I love Ganondorf, but damn, if Sephiroth isn’t stronger...
First of all, you say something funny
RageOverdose wrote:
Wrong.
Jenova was under Sephiroth’s control the entire time.
I’ll bet you didn’t know this, there was a guy who went by the name of Squall of Seed, if you google the Squall of Seed, you’ll find out that he is a very knowledgable person of FFVII, in fact he wrote a very in-depth guide to FF7 that uncovered a lot of the story to the game, we anyways, I’m rambling, I started a thread on Advent Children Forums, called “Sephiroth or Jenova, who was really in control?" I kept saying that Sephiroth controlled Jenova, but Squall of Seed kept saying that I was wrong, the aguement went on for quite some time, I actually stoped posting, but one day, I came back and there was a post from Squall, it said something like this, for the first time in my life I was wrong about this game, Cid_Highwind_001 (that’s my ACF name) you were right and I was wrong, Sephiroth was controlling Jenova.
It was hilarious, I was right, I proved the almighty Squall of Seed wrong, but yeah point is, I knew that Seph was controlling Jenova the entire time Now on to the rest of it.
I’ve read the ultimania, but even it doesn’t fully explain the fight with Safer abd Bizzaro, at least it didn’t when I read it, Ryu seems to be updating it, but with my new job I haven’t had the time to go back and read the updated version, the last thing I saw on it was the fact that Jenova broke out of the containment center in Shin-Ra HQ, she then took the form of Sephiroth and caused a bunch of trouble. Sense even the ultimania hadn’t unvieled the truth behind the last fights (except the mental battle between Cloud and Seph in the end) I decided to put all my useless knowledge to use and come up with some theories, which many people have come to believe to be true.
The reason I think that Bizzarro was Jenova’s body was because the Sephiroth you are chasing throughout the game is the body, and if Synthesis is the head, then the body goes unacounted for. The real Sephiroth was encased in a Mako Crystal, this is a theory that I came up with about a year and a half ago.
Think about something for me, Seph was encased in a Mako Crystal in the Northern Cave, the cave collasped after the awakening of the weapons, this is true, Cloud and Seph both fell into the lifestream at just about the same time at just about the same place, am I the only one that finds it odd that Cloud drifted to Mideel and Seph remained stationary?
Now here is something that’s going to tie this theory down, this is some dialouge from the temple of the ancients.
“Aeris: How do you intend to become one with the Planet?
Sephiroth: It’s simple. Once the Planet is hurt, it gathers Spirit Energy to heal the injury. The amount of energy gathered depends on the size of the injury. ...What would happen if there was an injury that threatened the very life of the Planet? Think how much energy would be gathered! Ha ha ha. And at the center of that injury, will be me. All that boundless energy will be mine. By merging with all the energy of the Planet, I will become a new life form, a new existence. Melding with the Planet... I will cease to exist as I am now... Only to be reborn as a 'God' to rule over every soul."
note Sephiroth speaks of gathering spirit energy, now what is spirit energy? Here is another quote to explain.
Sephiroth: Only death awaits you all. But do not fear. For it is through death that a new spirit energy is born. Soon, you will live again as a part of me.
When something dies it becomes Spirit Energy, plain and simple, but why would he choose to make Meteor attack a location that is virtualy uninhabited? It doesn’t make sense... If he was to aim at a city, like Midgar, he would accumulate even more Spirit Energy, right? Wait hold on... Meteor did hit Midgar, but people say that after Cloud defeated Sephiroth that he lost control of meteor, but Meteor was too close to the planet when they exited the crater for him to have lost control, if he just lost control of Meteor then Meteor would still have hit in the Crater Area, that’s just common sense, the only way for it to hit a location that is halfway around the planet is if he lost control before it was in the planet’s atmosphere, but then Meteor wouldn’t have been hitting Midgar as soon as you left the crater, it would have to still be in the sky.
So taking the facts that Sephiroth said that he was going to be in the middle of the injury, him dropping into the lifestream, Meteor hitting Midgar, Jenova being able to shapeshift, and Sephiroth controlling Jenova, points to one thing... The real Sephiroth was undernethe city of Midgar sense he dropped into the lifestream.
What if Sephiroth made Jenova go to the crater as a distraction? Jenova would go to the crater and pretend she was Sephiroth, just like she had been doing before, Cloud and his group goes to the Crater, Sephiroth summons meteor to hit Midgar (so that it would kill all the people in Midgar and thus produce more energy) Cloud fights and kills Jenova 3 times (the first time she made herslef look like Jenova so that CLoud would think that they killed her) The second time she transforms into a wierd looking Sephiroth, they defeat it, but Cloud knows that Seph can’t be that easy to beat, so Jenova transforms again, this time into an almost Angelic form, Cloud wins again, he now thinks that Seph is dead and the problem is solved, but oh noes! Meteor is on a collision course with the most inhabited city on the planet! Cloud can’t do anything now, it’s too late, but what Sephiroth didn’t know, was Jenova killed Aerith, and she was able to activate Holy by reaching the lifestream, Holy comes and fails, or does it? The Lifestream suddenly rises from the planet and stops Meteor from destroying something, Sephiroth has been foiled, and now he sits undernethe what is now, the ruins of Midgar.
To me, this theory makes perfect sense, and most of the people I’ve told it too agree, whether you will or not, depends on if you’re open to new ideas, the guys on ACF didn’t like the theory, but they were also the ones who thought that Aerith should be paired with Cloud, yuffie has no relationship with Vincent, Reno and Rude were gay, and that Sephiroth died at the end of FF7.
^ damn that’s a lot... well that’s what you get for trying to tell me that I was wrong
j/k If you haven’t noticed, I’m a bit of a FF7 fanatic, if the people on ACF knew just how much I know about this game, they would bow to me as if I were a FF7 god <evil laughter>
Sorry for double posting, but the way I discuss things, it makes it easier.
Is Squall of Seed’s called “The True Meaning Behind FFVII”, an angelfire site? If it is, I’ve debunked it...
Cid wrote:
Think about something for me, Seph was encased in a Mako Crystal in the Northern Cave, the cave collasped after the awakening of the weapons, this is true, Cloud and Seph both fell into the lifestream at just about the same time at just about the same place, am I the only one that finds it odd that Cloud drifted to Mideel and Seph remained stationary?
Since Sephiroth can control Jenova and Cloud while being encased, I wouldn’t be surprised if he could control himself as well. However, you forget something. Aerith (I prefer that name, call her what you wish). She still had a say in things after her death. She had something to do with that.
Cid wrote:
note Sephiroth speaks of gathering spirit energy, now what is spirit energy?
He is, of course, referring to the Lifestream.
Cid wrote:
The real Sephiroth was undernethe city of Midgar sense he dropped into the lifestream.
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No. See, if that was the case, then Jenova wouldn’t be in the Crater either. Her head arrived there due to Sephiroth carrying it with him. She wouldn’t have moved, because he left her dormant until needed. Something else you need to know, Jenova is instinctive. She will do what her instinct tells her above all, and that is to reunite with all those carrying her cells. Sephiroth included. She wouldn’t be there for the Reunion if Sephiroth wasn’t. Also, if you read the Ultimania (Ultimecia...Why was I thinking of FFVII?) Guide, it mentions this...
Ultimania Guide to FFVII wrote:
After fighting Bizarro Sephiroth and Safer Sephiroth, Cloud has a final 1-on-1
battle with Sephiroth in the spiritual realm. Although the ego of this
Sephiroth Clone was stricken with an inferiority complex in the past, Cloud
fights on and achieves victory in the end.
If you notice, it not only calls them Sephiroth, but it also mentions a final 1-on-1 battle in the Spiritual Realm. Take that as you will, but it sounds to me that they’ve been fighting him all along in the Crater, now Cloud just has to rid his spirit from the Lifestream. Of course, he fails, but that’s something else.
Cid wrote:
the only way for it to hit a location that is halfway around the planet is if he lost control before it was in the planet’s atmosphere
Ever heard of rotation? The Planet moves, you know. If I remember correctly, the game never mentions where he wishes to hit, but that Meteor is strong enough to cause such damage to where the bulk of Lifestream will emerge and begin to take action, in which he can perform the Reunion with the Lifestream, engulf the Planet, and become a “god”.
Cid wrote:
So taking the facts that Sephiroth said that he was going to be in the middle of the injury
The injury is a mass hit on the Planet. The entire Planet was to be injured. Where was he? In the Planet’s core.
Cid wrote:
but what Sephiroth didn’t know, was Jenova killed Aerith
Yes he did. He had control of her. In essence, he did everything, using Jenova as a scapegoat.
Cid wrote:
she was able to activate Holy by reaching the lifestream
She had activated Holy before she died. Sephiroth held it back. Wasn’t that a major part of the story?
Cid wrote:
Holy comes and fails, or does it?
It failed originally. See, upon entering the atmosphere, Meteor was strengthened by the Planet’s gravity and its own. It was pushing too much onto Holy. Aeris, along with Zack, used the Lifestream as a baseball bat, knocking Meteor out of the atmosphere, thus making it weaker. Holy then could pound it down.
Look, your theory is very impressive, well thought out, and has stuff to back it up, but, I don’t agree with it.
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