Id (Xenogears) vs Sephiroth

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This is Fei at the end of the game with all personas merged and past knowledge with Id in control against Sephiroth. Since everyone hear appears to know alot about Sephiroth I don’t think I’ll need to post what he can do. Anyway heres some Id feats and attacks.

I am guessing Id is strength is class 100. Why He took down Gears with on foot by himself with his bare hands, In order to interview Id they had to strap him down (neck, legs, feet) and not only that, but connect a rod to his the nerve in his spinal cord to keep him immobilize. Id still claimed he could break free, and the doctor new he was not bluffing. (he didn’t break free b-cus then he used to much strength and his other persona would take over.) He opens up a black hole and punches it towards you (that is fucking amazing in any extent.) He also takes punches, and hits from gears directly. And Cryogenitcally frozen, vary easily.

Id on foot No Gear (with his Gear it would take a reality warper or near cosmic force to beat him)


strength is class 100

Speed. reaction time is 0.03 or faster. (Official)

Power - He has the vast powers of the Zohar witch comes from the wave existence (official)

ABILITIES
GUIDED SHOT:
Graphical representation : Fei concentrates and sends a ball of light on the
enemy.
Effect : Damages enemy with Chi.


RADIANCE:
Graphical representation : A dark circle for on the opponents, blue rays centers
on it while it’s growing in size. The circle then changes for a sphere showing
outer space which finally explodes in small pieces.
Effect : Damages with space chi.
(basically he bends and twists black hole/gravity around you)

BIG BANG:
Graphical representation : The screen show the earth and the moon. A huge beam
zaps across the galaxy and wipes out the earth and moon.
Effect : Damages with Gravity Lens.
(you feel the impact of exploding stars, moons, and planets)


HYPER-DEATHBLOWS
FUKEI:
Graphical representation : Flips into the air and throws 13 fireballs in
sequenced order, from right to left hand. Finishes with a last powerful
fireball.
(Air element Attack)

CHIKEI:
Graphical representation : Jumps away from the enemy, charges up and punches the
ground, sending a series of earth pillars on the enemy.
(Earth Element Attack)

KAKEI:
Graphical representation : Flips in the air and emits energy. Falls on the enemy
like a meteor and sends strong fire waves.
(Fire Element Attack)

SUIKEI:
Graphical representation : 4 hits that wraps the nemy into ice, a final hit
makes the ice even bigger. Finishes with a crushing punch, shattering the ice.
(Ice Element Attack)

KOKEI:
Graphical representation : Deals 3 fast right kicks followed by a strong,
electricity-charged split kick.
(Lighting Element Attack)

YAMIKEI:
Graphical representation : Jumps away from enemy and various blue lights comes
from the enemy and go to Fei. A purple whirlpool of light forms on the enemy.
(Attacks the Soul)

Dark Matter
Id opens a dark vortex, unleashing strong energy waves on your
party.
(Attacks with Gravity/black hole attack)

High Level Telekenises

Body Tranmigration


Ok with all Said above the reason why (on foot no gear) Id might have a chance is be-cuse he matches and out ranks Saga in terms of raw/destructive power. Not only that but he is one of the few True character that will not hesitate to kill anyone (old, weak, children, women etc....) His Feats are amazing. (destroying the Armed military unit by himself at age 14) (destroying various nations, and countries.) (holds a power that is greater than Grafs who wiped out 98% of the human race.)

His down side would be his speed. 0.03 of reaction time

He survived a warship thrown on him
He wiped out a nation single handly (and I mean Like not thier buildings and all)

Took on two armies by himself in two diffent occasion (bio states he did it more often)

And responsible for whipeing out over 90% of earths total human population.

He annihilated the City of Elru by age 12.

Annihilated both sides of the Galber Special Task army and another unknown army by 13

Took on a Solarain battalion again at age 18.

Took on the Nation of Solarian (which was by far the most powerful nation) by himself again.

And the rest of the nations leaders are afraid of him because he exhibit’s the same power that his former reincarnated self did 500 years ago (actually he is stronger)
Who happened to to destroy 90% of the world population with a small task force.
It took the combined nations to put in end to his war. And the current nations, are afraid of Id since he is vary well the same person.


Not only that, he wields the destructive power of the “Big Bang” along with Soul Crushing, Dimensional cutting, Gravity twisting, Elemental attacks, h2h combat genius, military training since age 8, and High level Telekinesis. All that and that’s not counting his gear (giant robo) Xenogear, or Id Wetal.

Id say its safe to assume he has, experience in defeating armies by himself and the raw power to back him up.

Here is a link, it gives info on Id.
http://guardian.leamonde.net/chars/fei.shtml

Also check out Grahf
http://guardian.leamonde.net/chars/grahf.shtml

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2557388&postcount=1

Fei’s moves.
CHI ABILITIES :
GUIDED SHOT:
EP required : 2
Learned at : Begins with it.
Graphical representation : Fei concentrates and sends a ball of light on the
enemy.
Effect : Damages enemy with Chi.

INNER HEALING:
EP required : 2
Learned at : Level 10
Graphical representation : Fei concentrates and light from above a character
appears.
Effect : Heals a single ally.

IRON VALOR:
EP required : 4
Learned at : Level 20
Graphical representation : 3 circles of light centers around Fei and explode in
white light.
Effect : Power-up attack power

COUNTER FORCE:
EP required : 4
Learned at : Level 35
Graphical representation : A yellow disk comes from the left side of the screen,
stop on the right side and illuminates the screen with yellow light.
Effect : Enables counter-attack when attacked.

YANG POWER:
EP required : 5
Learned at : Level 46
Graphical representation : White, yellow, blue and green streams of light
descends on Fei, little light-green sparkles emanates and concentrates on Fei,
gives off a bright light before fading away.
Effect : Defense UP, Attack DOWN

YIN POWER:
EP required : 5
Learned at : Level 46
Graphical representation : Green, red and purple streams of light descends on
Fei, little light-green sparkles emanates and concentrates on Fei, gives off a
bright light before fading away.
Effect : Attack UP, Defense DOWN

RADIANCE:
EP required : 10
Learned at : Level 55
Graphical representation : A dark circle for on the opponents, blue rays centers
on it while it’s growing in size. The circle then changes for a sphere showing
outer space which finally explodes in small pieces.
Effect : Damages with space chi.

BIG BANG:
EP required : 20
Learned at : Level 72
Graphical representation : The screen show the earth and the moon. A huge beam
zaps across the galaxy and wipes out the earth and moon.
Effect : Damages with Gravity Lens.

DEATHBLOWS:
RAIJIN:
AP required : 4
Learned at : Level 6
Button sequence : triangle, X
Graphical representation : Fei charges energy in his punch and punch the
opponent.

SENRETSU:
AP required : 5
Learned at : Level 12
Button sequence : triangle, triangle, X
Graphical representation : Kicks at head height, head-to-ground kick, kicks at
head head height and launch the opponent into the air with a kick. Finishes with
a 2 hands hit when the enemy lands.

HAGAN:
AP required : 5
Learned at : Level 16
Button sequence : square, X
Graphical representation : Jumps on enemy and hits with his feet 3 times,
finishes by turning around, hitting the enemy’s head at the same time.

HOTEN:
AP required : 6
Learned at : Level 22
Button sequence : triangle, triangle, triangle, X
Graphical representation : Turns around, hitting enemy with his hands 4 times,
kicks at head height, kicks enemy’s legs and finishes with an elbow hit.

TENBU:
AP required : 6
Learned at : Level 30
Button sequence : triangle, square, X
Graphical representation : Turns around and hits opponent with his hand, kicks
to send opponent flying. Jumps in the air and use his feet to send opponent
smashing on the ground.

RYUJIN:
AP required : 6
Learned at : Level 38
Button sequence : square, triangle, X
Graphical representation : Head bash, left uppercut, left lower punch, right
uppercut and finishes with a 2 hands push.

KOHO:
AP required : 6
Learned at : Level 46
Button sequence : X, X
Graphical representation : Turns and hits with his right hand, thehitsend him
turning a little away, dashes and left punch. Finishes with a 2 hands hit.


HYPER-DEATHBLOWS
FUKEI:
AP required : 7
Learned at : Level 60
Button sequence : triangle, triangle, triangle, triangle, X
Graphical representation : Flips into the air and throws 13 fireballs in
sequenced order, from right to left hand. Finishes with a last powerful
fireball.

CHIKEI:
AP required : 7
Learned at : Level 60
Button sequence : triangle, triangle, square, X
Graphical representation : Jumps away from the enemy, charges up and punches the
ground, sending a serie of earth pillars on the enemy.

KAKEI:
AP required : 7
Learned at : Level 60
Button sequence : triangle, square, triangle, X
Graphical representation : Flips in the air and emits energy. Falls on the enemy
like a meteor and sends strong fire waves.

SUIKEI:
AP required : 7
Learned at : Level 60
Button sequence : square, triangle, triangle, X
Graphical representation : 4 hits that wraps the nemy into ice, a final hit
makes the ice even bigger. Finishes with a crushing punch, shattering the ice.

KOKEI:
AP required : 7
Learned at : Level 70
Button sequence : square, square, X
Graphical representation : Deals 3 fast right kicks followed by a strong,
electricity-charged split kick.

YAMIKEI:
AP required : 7
Learned at : Level 80
Button sequence : X, triangle, X
Graphical representation : Jumps away from enemy and various blue lights comes
from the enemy and go to Fei. A purple whirlpool of light forms on the enemy.

Kishin Combo : 4 rapid punches and one final blow sending you out of commission.

These are Grahfs moves but considering he merges with them in the end I guess they can use his attacks.
Super Guided-Shot: Jumps at the feet of a gear, jumps up and away from it and
pummels the gear with 6 fire rays thrown by left and right hand. Charges-up left
hand and sends a last fire ray towards you.

Bare Hands : Grahf does 3 punches, 3 kicks and 1 final punch on a target

Chi Bullets ummels you with 4 Guided Shots.

Both characters are allowed to use there full power which includes Feis gear Xenogears which has all those attacks just amplified.

So who wins?

PS
Cid since you’re the FF7 master here your knowledge would really be useful for this debate.

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How long did it take to make that(not to be mean)but that was kinda wierd, don’t ya think?

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I don’t know enough about Id to actually try and argue that Sephiroth can win, but if needed I can provide any info on Sephiroth that might be needed, I am a self proclaimed Final Fantasy Expert.

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Plese do. Everywhere I see this fight everyone says Id but they don’t have the knowledge like you Cid.

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Well, instead of Posting everything here (I couldn’t fit everything I wanted to say in one Post) I’ll leave a Link to a lot of Info from Wikipedia, I’ll just post a bit about him and his power and his attacks in this post, how does that sound?

Contains so many spoilers that your mind would explode if you read them! I’m just kidding, no not really

Sephiroth is the biological son of Hojo and Lucrecia, two Shin-Ra Scientist, but as soon as he was born he was taken away from his mother by Hojo and experimented on. He is essentially a test tube baby, his was dipped in Mako, thus increasing his physical Power beyond that of any normal human, he was also injected with the Cells of an Ancient life form called jenova, this made him extremely resilant to damage and gave him advanced healing abilities. Sense he was young he was trained for the sole purpose of being the Ultimate Soldier, he was given a Legendary Blade, The Masamune, it is said that the blade could only be weilded by Sephiroth himself. During his time as a Soldier, he became Known as the best, he was the only person to exceed the Rank of 1st Class Soldier to become elite.

The last time his true body was seen was in Nibelheim, 5 years before the game Final Fantasy VII began. He was sent there to inspect a monster at the reactor there, accompaning him was a young 1st Class Soldier, Zack, and two Shinra grunts. upon entering the city they came in contact with a Dragon, Zack and Sephiroth engaged in battle with the Dragon, the creture managed to KO Zack, but every attack on Sephiroth was useless, Sephiroth couldn’t be damaged by such petty attacks. After Sephiroth killed the Dragon with two swings of his Legendary Sword, they proceeded to the Inn in Nibelheim.

They inspected the reactor, this is where Sephiroth saw what Hojo was putting into the chambers of the reactor, humans being genetically altered with Mako, just like he was. They fixed leak with one of the valves and returned to Nibelheim, where Sephiroth disappeared into the Library of the Shin-Ra mansion. This is where he learned of all the experiments perfomed on him, and where he learned of Jenova, he exited the building and proceeded to burn the town of Nibelheim to the ground and kill all but two of it’s citizens.

After that he made his way to the reactor, where he was confronted by one of the two survivers from the town, Tifa Lockheart, she attacks Sephiroth but is sliced across her chest and left for dead. He then opens a locked door containing the body of Jenova, shortly after this is when Zack arrives at the reactor, Sephiroth and Zack fight in an all out battle, needless to say, Sephiroth makes Zack look like a rookie, Zack was easily defeated and thrown to the side. This is when one of the Shin-ra grunts runs into the reactor, he grabs Zack’s sword and runs into Jenova’s chamber where he stabs Sephiroth from behind with his Sword (which is almost three feet wide, it’s the Buster Sword) He makes his way out of the chamber and runs to Tifa, he takes off his mask and reveals himself to be Cloud Strife, the protagonist of Final Fantasy VII, but Sephiroth isn’t dead, he emerges from the chamber carrying Jenova’s head, Cloud charges head on with the buster sword, but now that he isn’t attacking from behind he doesn’t have a chance, Sephiroth stabs Cloud through the abdomen and throws him over 20 feet to the bridge leading outside of the reactor, he then stabs Cloud again and picks him up from off the ground and dangles Cloud off the edge of the bridge. Cloud manages to summon enough strength to pull himself back onto the edge of the bridge and throw Sephiroth against a wall, Cloud collaspes to the ground and Sephiroth jumps off the side of the bridge and into a pool of Mako where he is frozen for over 5 years.

During the course of the video game not much is seen of Sephiroth, he is however, shown to have obtained great mental powers, he controls Jenova, he even controls her shapeshifting abilities and forces her to take his form and do his bidding, such as killing Aerith Gainsborough.

On disc two, the true Sephiroth is finally revealed, he had been frozen in a Mako Crystal and somehow ended up on the Northern Contenint, he takes over Cloud’s mind and forces Cloud to give him the black materia, which he uses to summon meteor, his plan is to use meteor to greatly damage the planet and then absorb all the energy that the planet was using to heal the injury, thus becoming a Demi-God.

That’s most of the important stuff concering his history, I would post about what happens in the Crater on Disc Three, but it doesn’t really cover much more of his story, basically Cloud defeats Sephiroth, and if I say anymore I’ll spoil the entire ending, which I don’t want to do.

Sephroth’s attacks range from Physical attacks using his Legendary Sword, which is shown in Final Fantasy VII Advent Children to be sharp enough to slice through steel with no problem, and Heartless Angel

To Light Magic attacks such as Fire, Quake, and Bolt.

To High powered Magic Attacks such as Shadow Flare, Pale Horse, and Super Nova.

Shadow Flare is an extremely powerful non elemental based Magic attack.

Pale Horse inflicts just about every status effect in the game, frog, sleep, silence, confusion, and mini.

Super Nova... It is one of the most awesome attacks in the game, it can do anywhere from 2000-6000 damage in inflicts the status effects Confusion and Silence.

Heartless Angel is quite possibly Sephiroth’s strongest attack, It reduces one of his enemie’s HP to 1, no matter how high their HP is at the time.

So as you can see Sephiroth is a very powerful opponent.

Also as I promised, here is a link to Wikipedia on Sephiroth

The Sandman

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Dammit I still can’t decide. Maybe if others start to throw in there two cents I’ll be able to decide.

The Sandman

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Heres some more information about Id. Look at the links for the pictures.

This is Deus a powerful being that was defeated by Xenogears.
Deus is powered by the Zohar Modifer. Zohar Modifier provides an endless supply of energy channeled from the Wave Existence.

Wave Existence - it is unknown if it is the realm ware God lives, or If the Wave Existence is God itself.

Deus also has nano technology. With it, it is able to regenerate itself. Normal Attacks are insufficient.
To bring down Deus you have to destroy it down to a molecular level.

Deus: - inter-planetary invasion weapon system. It was created as an automatic weapon which could act upon its own will to take control of a targeted planet. It merges with the planet. And it has the power to Annihilate the planet with a single swift attack.

Xenogears - A hybrid machine composed of Technology/Organic/Nano powered by the Wave Existence Directly (Unlike Deus that gets its Power from Zohar). It is meant to Destroy Deus.

Fie - The pilot is empowered by the Wave Existence as well. (so not just the gear but the pilot as well).

Some Crazy shit that Fie has done. In its incomplete from Id Wetal Disintegrated a Nation, A town with its surrounding forest. Destroyed the Nation of Solaris simply by going Kamikaze on its surroundings, while in the process not receiving a single scratch on itself.

And holding a warship in the air, and keeping it together (Using his Force Field) to avoid the Ship falling apart.

On foot Id/Fie h2h combat against Eva size Mechas tearing them apart with relatively ease.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=3920924&postcount=8
Link to wear I got my information from. Link has pictures of what Fei/Id has done.

Id Wetal
Quite aside from Id’s rather brutal sense of humor, this gear reflects his skill and power — and amplifies it tenfold, if possible. It doesn’t rely on a generator — power channeled directly from Zohar keeps this gear running, and in fact, the excess shows in the form of six, green-tinted wings that extend from the “spikes” on its back when activated.

The gear’s basic structure is (supposedly) 99% equivilent to OR Weltall (or Alpha Weltall, if you prefer), and as that pilot does, Id has 100% synchronization with his gear. It’s through this merging that Id-Weltall gets its power — though speculating how powerful the gear would be without him is useless, as Id is the only pilot it would ever accept. It is, quite frankly, on level with an Omnigear, if not just a little bit stronger.

This is the form Weltall takes when it demonstrates the maximum output of its generator. This mode is known as the “Id Mode."

Grahf originally built Weltall as a replica of O.R.W. Unfortunately, Weltall was not able to attain O.R.W’s level of strength due to its weak chassis in addition to a variety of other problems.

The overload problem of the chassis attributed to continuous movements in combat was a serious issue. This eventually lead to substantial damage to the joints and internal frame structures. Occasionally, these parts would completely fail after lengthy battles and would require immediate replacement. It was later determined that the original frame design was flawed from the beginning. To rectify this serious design issue, certain areas of Weltall’s frame was reformed. The rigidity of the chassis was assured by replacing its composite material while the air frame reaction was also improved upon.

A secondary armor, a single unit plating, was built atop of the former armor. The <monocoque> plating guaranteed structural rigidity and strength. An additional layer of structural armor was installed as an “exoskeleton”. This armor is controlled mechanically and covers the outer surface frame when activated. These design renovations provided Weltall with superior endoskeleton and exoskeleton rigidity, endurance and strength during the time of use at the cost of convenient frame maintainability. The following passage explains why.

Although the rigidity issue associated with Weltall’s weak chassis was solved, new problems arose from the modified frame. One of the new problems pertains to the enormous amount of heat generated by the engine and the inability to effectively cool the system substantially. As previously mentioned, the Slave Generator loaded in Weltall is a direct replica of O.R.W’s generator and to say that its performance is comparable to O.R.W’s generator is no exaggeration. The heat generated from the Slave Generator is comparable to its parental model, and if it no precaution is taken when it is put into use, the Generator and the immediately surrounding frame is in danger of meltdown.

It is a daunting process to effectively cool Weltall down since its cooling system is vastly different from O.R.W’s. Unlike O.R.W’s cooling system which recycles 99% of its exhaust as an alternative energy source, Weltall discharges its excess heat into its immediate surroundings. To resolve the heating dilemma, an electromagnetic radiation cooling system was installed and is used in conjunction with the normal radiator. Heat that has accumulated on the surface frame is relocated and discharged as electromagnetic radiation from the dorsal cooling unit. This refrigeration system rigorously cools the surface frame structures. Approximately 2/3 of the heat generated is discharged as electromagnetic radiation, usually taking 3 minutes to cool the allotted heat per cycle. The remaining 1/3 of the heat is collected and saved inside the newly designed Condenser System. This allotted heat will be recycled as usable energy.

In addition, visible light, a spectrum of the electromagnetic spectrum, is also emitted by this complex cooling system. The strange array of light visible toward the rear fuselage indicates that the electromagnetic cooling system is at work.

When Weltall transforms into this mode, it maximizes the output capacity of its engine and turns into a virtually indestructible death machine that is capable of withstanding any opposition in its path while, at the same time, obliterating everything around it. However, during peacetime, it transforms back to its normal frame where energy consumption is reduced to a bare minimum
More info later.

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the offical information of Wetall Id. Directly from Perfect Works.
This is the form Weltall takes when it demonstrates the maximum output of its generator. This mode is known as the “Id Mode."

Grahf originally built Weltall as a replica of O.R.W. Unfortunately, Weltall was not able to attain O.R.W’s level of strength due to its weak chassis in addition to a variety of other problems.

The overload problem of the chassis attributed to continuous movements in combat was a serious issue. This eventually lead to substantial damage to the joints and internal frame structures. Occasionally, these parts would completely fail after lengthy battles and would require immediate replacement. It was later determined that the original frame design was flawed from the beginning. To rectify this serious design issue, certain areas of Weltall’s frame was reformed. The rigidity of the chassis was assured by replacing its composite material while the air frame reaction was also improved upon.

A secondary armor, a single unit plating, was built atop of the former armor. The <monocoque> plating guaranteed structural rigidity and strength. An additional layer of structural armor was installed as an “exoskeleton”. This armor is controlled mechanically and covers the outer surface frame when activated. These design renovations provided Weltall with superior endoskeleton and exoskeleton rigidity, endurance and strength during the time of use at the cost of convenient frame maintainability. The following passage explains why.

Although the rigidity issue associated with Weltall’s weak chassis was solved, new problems arose from the modified frame. One of the new problems pertains to the enormous amount of heat generated by the engine and the inability to effectively cool the system substantially. As previously mentioned, the Slave Generator loaded in Weltall is a direct replica of O.R.W’s generator and to say that its performance is comparable to O.R.W’s generator is no exaggeration. The heat generated from the Slave Generator is comparable to its parental model, and if it no precaution is taken when it is put into use, the Generator and the immediately surrounding frame is in danger of meltdown.

It is a daunting process to effectively cool Weltall down since its cooling system is vastly different from O.R.W’s. Unlike O.R.W’s cooling system which recycles 99% of its exhaust as an alternative energy source, Weltall discharges its excess heat into its immediate surroundings. To resolve the heating dilemma, an electromagnetic radiation cooling system was installed and is used in conjunction with the normal radiator. Heat that has accumulated on the surface frame is relocated and discharged as electromagnetic radiation from the dorsal cooling unit. This refrigeration system rigorously cools the surface frame structures. Approximately 2/3 of the heat generated is discharged as electromagnetic radiation, usually taking 3 minutes to cool the allotted heat per cycle. The remaining 1/3 of the heat is collected and saved inside the newly designed Condenser System. This allotted heat will be recycled as usable energy.

In addition, visible light, a spectrum of the electromagnetic spectrum, is also emitted by this complex cooling system. The strange array of light visible toward the rear fuselage indicates that the electromagnetic cooling system is at work.

When Weltall transforms into this mode, it maximizes the output capacity of its engine and turns into a virtually indestructible death machine that is capable of withstanding any opposition in its path while, at the same time, obliterating everything around it. However, during peacetime, it transforms back to its normal frame where energy consumption is reduced to a bare minimum.

tier chart.

Tier 1 - Xenogear.
Tier 2- Alpha Wetal/Id Wetal
Tier 3- Omnigear, Diablos, Serphs
Tier 4- High Out put or unique gears. (Cressense, G Elements, Ft. Hurricane)
Tier 5- Special Battle Gears (Virge, Vendeta etc…)

Now as for the explanation

Gears come equipped with slave generators. Slave generators get their power from the Zohar modifier.

A slave generator can only obtain up to a certain amount of power from the Zohar modifier.

If a gear is aligned with an anima relic, it can now by pass the power cap and is know able to tap into more power.

Diablos are prototype gears designed to defend Deus. They are the prototype defensive mechanism’s to the Serph’s. Diablos and Seraphs (unlike Omnigears) do not require an anime relic. Their design permits them to tap into Zohar modifier the same way Omnigears can.

As for Alpha wetal. Well first Grahf made True Wetal aligned itself with the anima relic Naphtali. This turns True Wetal goes into a transformation and becomes an Omni Gear. True Wetal is now Called Alpha Wetal

Well if that wasn’t enough. Grahf made an attempt to merge with the Zohar Modifier. But it was rejected (I have a theory on why he was rejected). It instead gained part power. All though Alpha Wetal can not draw power from the Wave Exsistance itself, It still retains all the performance upgrades from being an Omni Gear. On top of that it can use Grahf as a secondary supply of energy. It does not need to run on the slave generator when Grahf has infinite erther potential due to being the “Contact”. Not only can it run independent to the slave generator. But it gains another power up grade. Due to Grahf being the “Contact”.


That’s why Grahf has such freakish power even if its challenged by a group of Omni-Gears.

Well how does that explain Id Wetal? Well when Grahf attained Alpha Wetal, and the Diablos. He made an attempt to destroy the entire world. And he came close. He wiped out 96% of the total population. And it took the combined forces of several nations to take Him and the Diablos down.

Well Grahf died, and but he still lived on transmigrating bodies. When he came across Id. He decided to use him to unleash his full potential. Using the information he gained from the Diablos. (Gears that match the performance of Omnigear using a slave generator). And using Alpha Wetal as a blue prints, Gragh made a near identical gear (99%) that has almost as much power is the original. It matches the performance of an Omnigear, and can use the pilot as a secondary fuel source to run independently.

To put it simply Id Gear is a clone of Alpha Wetal up to 99% exact.

Ok So why is Xenogear so special or powerful? Well when Id went to Id Wetal to with Zohar…..he was not rejected!(Again I have a theory on that.)

Well “Zohar” serves to chanel power from the “Wave Exsistance”. If the Zohar is destroyed, no more power will be channeled. But Contact, and the Anti-Type (Miang, Elly, Grhf, Id/Fie) can still channel infinite erther even if the Zohar is destroyed.

Ok? So how does that relate to Xenogear? Well when Id Wetal merged with Zohar, it no longer draws energy from Zohar. But draws it directly from the “Wave Exsistance”. This caused Id Wetal to transform into Xenogear. In its evolved hybired tech/organic state. It can draw power as much as the user can demand for it.

“Wave Existence” is either the realm of God, or God itself. So Xenogear is now powerd by Gods Essence.

Now Xenogear draws energy from both “Wave Exsistance” and the “Contact”. It will only abide to the Contacts commands. And it’s purpose is to destroy Deus hence the name “Slayer Of God”.

The ending result of all of this. A pilot powered by God. And a Gear running on God’s essence. This is why Xenogear/Fie is considered to be one of the most powerful pilot/gear duo among any Mecha anime/manga/rpg‘s.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=99234

Xenogears Events and Timeline.

EPISODE I

PERIOD OF THE INTERSTELLAR WAR
15,000 Years ago

Episode I is set against the Earth of 15,000 years ago and it is at this time that mankind has
begun its search for a new home. Eventually, man finds a habitable home amidst the M24 Star
Cluster of Sagittarius and from thereafter, this planet comes to be known as “Neo Jerusalem."
However, even after colonizing this planet, mankind continued to aim for the heart of the
universe and after 5,000 years (10,000 years ago), humanity had conquered most of the Milky
Way. Eventually, The Interstellar War breaks out and afterward gradually intensifies;
Episode I focuses on both the outbreak and intensification of this war. However, while this
is going on, other events take place, such as the development of the Deus System.

EPISODE II

THE ORIGINS OF A NEW ERA
10,000 Years ago

Intellectual life forms have begun to increase on the planet where Fei shall live. Also,
Emperor Cain becomes the founder of a new generation of mankind and is venerated as a god.
Abel, the sole survivor of the Eldridge crash, is repulsed by this belief and seeks a new way
of life. At this point in time, the story progresses to Episode II, with Cain continuing to
abide by his mission-the revivification of Deus; Cain never intended to “liberate humanity” as
seen in Episode V.

EPISODE III

THE ZEBOIM CIVILIZATION
4,000 Years ago

Episode III takes place at an age where a scientific civilization achieves a level of
technological advancement similar to our own. A majority of these people are rendered unable
to bear children thanks to a genetic deficiency that began to manifest itself as they achieved
the technological zenith. Kim (Abel’s first transmigration) attempted to overcome this
obstacle with nanotechnology, but fails thanks to Miang’s Plans. Emeralda is also born during
this era and nanotechnology is later revived by Taura, one of the Three Sages of Shevat.

EPISODE IV
THE SOLARIS CAMPAIGN
500 Years ago

The Ignas continent of about 500 years thence is the backdrop of Episode IV. Emperor Cain
decides that human evolution has reached its final stage and thus founds Solaris. Emperor
Cain makes an attempt at immediate ground-rule, but is met with conflict as the artificial
humans of this era have harnessed the use of Ether. This conflict, or war, breaks out between
the “Land Dwellers” and the “Solarians," and is generally known as the “great war of 500 years
ago." But the war was ended prematurely by “The Day of Collapse."

EPISODE V

XENOGEARS
Present

Fei takes on the role of protagonist in this episode, set in the year 9999, Fei leads his
early life in the peaceful village of Lahan. The Deus Restoration Program is also nearing
completion at present time. Fei was not born in Lahan Village, however. He was, in fact,
carried to Chief Lee’s house in Lahan Village, three years ago by a Masked Man. At the time,
Fei was so injured, both mentally and physically, that he lost all memory of his life prior to
that point. After the attack on Lahan Village, though, he is “reawakened” and once again
embarks on the road of fate.

EPISODE VI

FUTURE

Although not much is known about this episode, it appears as though it is set shortly after
Episode V. Information about Episode VI will remain undisclosed until future notice as it is
the last point on the Xenogears timeline

Xenogears Events and Timeline. Part 2

Common Era 15,000 years ago
2510 - The Space Emigration Plan aimed for absolute emigration to the stars within 15 years
and was of international import. This project was managed by the “Executive Committee”
and to adorn their founding, a new calendar was adopted-the T.C. (Transcend Christ)
calendar. Additionally, the standard calendar was renewed, with 365 days totaling one
“standard star year."

T. C. (Transcend Christ)
0016 - 16 years after the establishment of the “Executive Committee”, people’s long-
cherished wish was finally being realized-though it was delayed by about 500 standard
star years-the emigrant fleet was released from Earth’s gravity, where it began its
long journey through abysmal space. Thereafter, the Earth came to be known as the
“Forbidden Land," [Lost Jerusalem] and became inaccessible. Though the reasons remain
unclear, sudden environmental changes were not considered to be a factor.

0294 - After wandering the stars for approximately 250 years, the emigrant fleet locates a
planet that may be suitable for life in the M24 Star Cluster proximal to the “Archer,"
constellation, Sagittarius. This planet became humanity’s new hope and is called
“Neo Jerusalem." Eventually, the emigrant fleet lands on and settles this planet.

0295 - The inauguration of the Galaxy Federation Government. “Neo Jerusalem” became the
Galaxy Federation Government’s first capital planet. The managerial organization of
the space emigrants, the “Executive Committee," was reorganized and later integrated
into the Galaxy Federation Government and the election of the first chairman began.
From here on, “Neo Jerusalem” would be thought of as an outpost for mankind, as it
slowly continued its exploration of the cosmos.

The Attainment of the Scientific Zenith
From 10,000 years ago...to 15,000 years ago, it has been a period of “scientific” technology.

The planet Neo Jerusalem, a habitable planet that would serve as humanity’s frontier base
away from Earth, was considered a place of continuing scientific advancement but this was
devalued as being mere “mental development," which no one truly desired. Finally, a large
cosmic war breaks out with Deus being the product of this war. In space, a plane not at all
governed by the harsh rules of gravitation, humanity continues to make the same old mistakes.

Interstellar War Intensification / Deus goes berserk 7th Millennium
(10,000 years ago T.C. (Transcend Christ) / New Era)

4743 - Thanks to the efforts of a group of archeological researchers and some 'others,' an
artifact dating back to the times of Lost Jerusalem is discovered. Known simply as
'MAM' (Magnetic Abnormal Matter), it is found in the cargo room of a derelict spaceship
belonging to the “Pilgrimage Fleet," a group of vessels bearing holy men who traversed
the void of space countless centuries ago.

4744 - At approximately 5,000 years on the timeline, analysis the MAM restarts.

4750 - From the analysis of the MAM, the “Phenomenon Alteration Theory” is born.

4751 - The discovery of the “Phenomenon Alteration Theory” makes the MAM a top-priority
research project and because of this, the main research group supervising MAM research
initiates “Project Zohar."

4752 - The Interstellar War intensifies.

4765 - Due to an accident of an unknown nature, the planet hosting research on “Project Zohar”
was instantly annihilated, leaving nothing behind but the MAM itself-later discovered
and recovered within the disaster zone.

4766 - The supervision system, 'Kadmoni,' is acquired and with it, the “Zohar Response System”
is completed. Kadmoni’s main element, “Persona," is built directly into the MAM.
Persona, much like the MAM, remains veiled in mystery-its details and origins being
completely unknown. The interplanetary stratagem weapon, “Deus," created with the
intent of ending the intensifying war, was finally completed during this year after
a lengthy amount of time spent under development. Zohar was adopted as Deus' main
source of power.

4767 - March, after Deus had acquired Zohar as its primary engine, a connection experiment
between the two systems was to take place on NGC6744 (Note 1), immigrant planet
Miktam04B (immigration began on geostationary satellites while the main planet was
being terraformed). It is uncertain as to what accident caused both systems to go
berserk during initial connection but whatever it was, it caused Deus to recklessly
drive through one of Miktam04B’s peripheral colonies and invade locally. Deus managed
to cause colossal damage within a very short amount of time and the military, feeling
threatened by Deus' superior combat abilities, shutdown the runaway Deus at a great
cost. Afterwards, all of Deus' core components were disassembled and sealed off from
one another. In order to investigate the nature of the accident, the titanic
interstellar warship, “Eldridge," owned by the 'Enterprise,' was requisitioned by the
military. Deus was loaded aboard the Eldridge along with 1.2 million survivors from
both the immigrant planet and various other outlying colonies.

Deus -
Deus is an interplanetary strategem weapon created with the ability to exhibit unrivaled hostile power. However, it destroyed an allied camp during its initial connection experiment. The military who received the report made a large sacrifice to forcefully shut down the run away Deus. After this, Deus was transported to another planet where the cause of the accident is to be investigated. Midway during transportation, it crashed into the planet which later becomes the setting for the game. After it crashed, the Resurrection Program commences. During this time, Deus spent 10,000 years in slumber, awaiting for the day of approaching resurrection.

To a person, these 10,000 years seems like eternity. But for the weapon Deus, these years are but a twinkle of a star. But doubt remains. After revival, could hostile civilizations still exist? Depending on the circumstances, it is assumed that hostile civilizations may have
drastically decreased, or may have died out completely. The restoration function that exists in the weapon — - is a cost-effective means for repair, during the annihilation of opposing civilizations. However, the Resurrection Program developed by Deus was not predetermined nor
preprogrammed. Being only a weapon of mass destruction, it is more probable that Deus had another intention in mind. During transportation, of all the planets under the reign of the Galaxy Federation Government, it boldly chose the “Mother Planet." With the completion of Deus'
revival, it may “Try to Accomplish” what it started.

Kadmoni
Bioelectronic Brain Kadmoni: Overall Supervision System.

Artificially intelligent computer that controls energy distribution as well as the entire Zohar system. In order to decide the most effective or appropriate actions, the “indefinite” operation is simultaneously performed the organic element and logical operation sectors; playing the role of “Brain," Kadmoni can never be controlled by a third party.

Zohar
Zohar Modifier: An energy generator that was left relatively unscratched by the Eldridges crash. It doesnt really create energy, but it actually drains it from the Wave Dimension (Using the Wave Existence trapped within itself) and morphs it into Ether, Gear fuel, etc

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Sorry I couldn’t resist, I had to bump this ancient topic. Anyway I really think Id would win, without his gear it would be a little difficult, with it I don’t really see anyway for him to lose.

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Who is Id?

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One of the main villains of Xenogears who also happens to be another persona of the main character.Id
Fei, Id, and his other personas

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Had to bump this old thread because its one of the few guys who could give Sephiroth a challenge.