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1. Terrorist attacks have gone down alot lately.

2. Terrorism formed after WWII and is a radical form of the Muslim religion.

3. It’s best to keep the terrorist populations in check and as low as possible instead of letting them grow. We do not want them taking over and it escalating into a WWIII that actually covers the entire globe.

4. Pulling out entirely and abandoning Iraqi’s is not going to ensure America’s safety because Terrorists hate us, 9/11 should be enoguh proof for you.

5. We are already pulling out at a steady rate so that the Iraqi’s can go on without our help so there’s no need for you to complain any more.

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Nada-

I see you believe in conspiracies.


You obviously do not know why the terrorists attacked us.

1. 9/11 is not the only terrorist attack. there have been numerous others.

2. They hate Americans for numerous reasons, one being we do not believe in their religion and therefore must burn in hell.

3. You are confusing The War on Terror and the Iraqi Freedom. Iraq did not blow up the Twin Towers but it was a big in terrorism and caused teh Iraqi’s hell.

4. We have boats everywhere monitoring terrorism and other problems. The boats could not provoke Iraq to do something when Iraq had no knowledge of them and was not the one to attack us.


Now to Iraq freedom

1. Iraq was inevitable as it would’ve soon grown into a massive problem that could do more damage than what it was currently capable of and would be very dangerous because it was ran by TERRORISTS.

2. You are asumming that weapons of mass destruction was everybodies' reason and only reason for going into Iraq.

3. The Iraqi’s were living in hell. They would have their feet cut off if they lost a race in the Olympics. Women were abused. The list just goes on.

4. Letting such horrors happen is just as bad as committing them.
List goes on.


EVERY president hides alot of stuff from the public. That does NOT make it a conspiracy like the one you are describing.
Information is hidden from the public so it does not get into the wrong hands.
That’s why we vote people into office.
We vote people who we think are best suited for the job. The government has always and always will always hide information from the public. That’s life, deal with it.


Gas prices are going up because oil supplies are low. There’s not much that can be done about it.
The prices under the clinton Administration were obviously low because gas wasn’t much of a problem compared to now. This is obviously a point where we are transitioning to anotehr source of energy and this time it will more than likely be something that can be replenished.

Don’t bring up clinton because he’s just hindering your argument as he was barely ever in office spending most of his time in an affair and court then actually running the country. He represented the U.S. and was a bad role model for kids. That is definitely not president material.

As for you critisisms of both sides I hope you are refering to the parties and taking note that there is a difference between a republican and the republican party as well democrats and their party.
As far as liberals are considered in general and some conservatives they are radicals. I live in a town run by radical liberals and it is hell.

A 3-party system would be nice and yes it is probably not gonnna happen soon.


As for Osama, seeing him come out of his hole does not give me the impression that he’s pissed, more like scared, unless you mean he pissed.

Bush will not go down as the worst president in history because he’ll more than likely be almost completely forgotten like most other presidents.
Their have been far worse presidents than Bush.
If Bush was indeed the worst president ever than how did he get a second term in office and not ever gotten close to being impeached.

You seem to be labeling presidents based on bias and not fact. You obviously hate Bush and therefore you are labellign him as the worst president in history.

As for Andrew Jackson he was not the one who ordered the Trail of Tears, Martin Van Buren was.
For your proof that you are not going by fact look at your $20 bill, seems that Jackson has his face on it.

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terrorists are nothing if you ignore them they will stop yes attacks have decreased but the attacks have gotten much more destructive and invadeing iraq was retarded

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2. They hate Americans for numerous reasons, one being we do not believe in their religion and therefore must burn in hell.

huh? u sayn chinese, russians, koreans,japs, brits, canadians, mexicans believe in their religion???

3. The Iraqi’s were living in hell. They would have their feet cut off if they lost a race in the Olympics. Women were abused. The list just goes on.

acshally iraq is alot worse now. women being abused??? whut bout prisoners(of amerca)??? olympics??? ye every FOUR yrs. btw those runners r like 40 yrs old an only bout a dozen get they fett cut off. nuthin compared ta little kids an innocent civilians teth our bombs killed(KILLED not just amputated).teh list goes on an on??? ye an ur from iraq... ryt???

4. Letting such horrors happen is just as bad as committing them.

ryt new as i em typing tis an u r reading many many many otha horrs r happnin. lyk starvation in africa. we spend billions an billions on weapens weh we can use tha mony to buy millions o pounds o food to give. but no we make weapond that kill. how nice : )

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You know Europe ignored them and now they of them. Terrorist attacks are everyday things for them now.

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1. Do not use the word “jap," it’s a racial term.

2. There are more than one reason why they hate us and why they have been attacking us long before 9/11. We pose are threat to them because we the only super-power left. That does not go well with us not wanting to join them. Others being we are probably 1 of the extreme “evils” in their view of the Muslim religion.

3. Canada and Britain are having problems with terrorists, especially Britain. Do not assume we are the only ones.



Problems in Iraq

You are evidently unaware of the problems that were in Iraq and obviously seem not to even care if the Iraqi’s suffer.

1. When it came time for voting they were forced to vote for so-damn-insane and if they hesitated or resistated they would be shot on the spot.

2. Children as well as women were abused and suffered unspeakable horrors.

3. Women were raped as well as well as beaten.

4.One of the 2 muslim groups was forced to suffer.


If you were wondering so-damn-insane invaded Kuwait for no reason and threatened to invade any other country. Iraq was very hostile when so-damn-insane was in power.


The Aftermath

1. The Iraqi’s are happy to be free and apparantly not being blown up by our bombs.

2. Numerous amounts of Iraqi’s have joined and are still joining their police and army to fight the terrorists and protect their country and their families.

3. They have actually voted for the people they believe should be running the country and the people in office are doing everything they can to help their country and people.

4. Terrorist attacks are fewer and not as destructive as before.

5. We are now able to pull out at a steady rate and let the Iraqi’s take over from there.

6. Not even a thousand soldiers have died in Iraq and even fewer citizens died. Citizens will also unfortunately die in war but we have killed far less than in WWII and the bombing of 2 Japanese cities because we have more advanced and precise weapons to prevent as much harm to citizens as possible.

Are you greedy enough to let others suffer just because if you help them you could possibly die? Obviously soldiers are still signing up by the thousands to help in Iraq.

The prisoners are terrorists so why sympathis with them. It is wrong of the soldiers who did commit the crimes but that’s a very small percentage of the soldiers and not even .1%.
If you have not realized yet, the problem is over and dealt with.

Other World Problems

1. We can only handle so many problems at once and no matter what problems we dealt with 1st people like you would say we are wasting our time.

2. We are already dealing with the problems in Africa through programs and scientific research on plants.

3. We are one of the very few if not only country that does what we can to help others.



Money

As far as money goes weapons are tools and are needed whether we like it or not.
I see nothing wrong with enhancing our military’s items, which are not only weapons and one of which can help outside of the military, nutrient patches.

Yes, we can spend some of the money on better things but that is not related to Iraq. It’s related to people and overspending, something very common on many topics.

Also, something that is sucking just as much if not more money than us is illegal immigration.
They get free health care that we pay for. It comes right out of our pockets. Some even get our coverage that some of us desperately need.
A U.S. citizen who was mentally ill couldn’t even get in the hospital because an illegal immigrant took his spot and there was nothing hsi father could do to help him and he had to have medication too.
Illegal immigrants get free education and we pay for it with our own money, a part of the reason why the schools are low on money.

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Your point?

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Andrew Jackson’s policies did set the course for the Indian Massacres, and he did ignore the Supreme Court just like this President likes to do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson#Indian_Removal

I could cite more reliable sources but this isn’t a term paper or anything lol.

I’m not new to the history of terrorism, but the main reason cited by Bin Laden was the bases in Saudi Arabia, and our efforts at capitalistic globalization, hence the target in 9/11 the World TRADE Center.

BTW I was describing the parties in general not individuals.

I live in a ultra-conservative place in the Southern United States and it is hell too, maybe we should switch. heh.

We put Saddam Hussian in power in order to fight the Iranian’s its alwalys nice to wage war against someone we supplied the bulk of the weapons for. He invaded Kuwait because a member of our Embassy in the Department of State miscommunicated with him, giving him the idea that we gave him permission to do so. All this great evil stuff is nothing since we were the ones that put him as well as a lot of dictators in South America (that killed 100,000s of people) into power. All in the name of battling our enemies whether they be Iran or Communist USSR.

As for your statistics, where the hell do you get it from, straight from the Bush Administration Propaganda machine.... I mean really, just reading the news you should gather that 1000s of people have died in Iraq both US soldiers and iraqis.

Besides I thought we weren’t in Iraq to help the Iraqi people but to find those ominous missing Weapons of Mass Destruction.... that was the justification for going to war... We should have saved the war machine for people that deseved it like Iran.

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im on your side dumb ass

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ye well... nah fuckit. dont like replyin to long ass post

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Your spelling was killing me, sorry.

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The Indian Removal Act was not as bad a policy as the name implies though I do nto agreee with the part were the Indians are kicked off the land.

Andrew Jackson was not the one to take it to an extreme like the other president.

It would be like blaming terrorism on the Muslim religion or whoever started it. Terrorism is a cult and one of its primary purposes is to blow all it’s non-believers and terrorists up.
That’s one of their goals and it’s not going to change.

You are still mixing saddam with the terrorists in 9/11. osama was the one who caused 9/11, not saddam. They are not the same.

I never said giving the terrorists weapons to fight communism was right so do not bring that up against me. Since we gave these terrorists weapons and started them off on the path to getting more weapons, the French being a great help for them, we are reponsible for that and we have to fix that problem and obviously we just did.

None of this changes the fact that Iraq became hostile and invaded Kuwait. It doesn’t matter who you want to blame, terrorists are evil and must be stopped or at least prevented from becoming strong enough to creatE WWIII. If we just sit here and let them grow we’ll soon be unable to do anything about it just like Europe can’t do anything about it because they are overrun with em.

There will always be extremes on both sides but lately the left side has more than the right. Liberal has become a dirty word, part of the reason they are tryign to change their name to progressives or something like that.
No, I do not want to switch with you because that’s nto going to change anything. I’m a conservative and not a radical so I’d still be living in hell. Plus as liberal as California may be I like it here.

No I did not pull the statistic out of my ass. I looked em up near a few months ago for a debate to use for the liberal side because I was argueing against teh war. I was surprised to find that it did not pass 1,000. It surprised as I though thousands died but obviously I was stupid enough to believe what the news was implying.
I have no idea how you would think I’d achieve getting the statistic from the Bush Administration through “propaganda” when they have not even been putting out “propaganda” or at least as easily accesible through commercials and such. Take into consideration that news reporters overhype anything they write or report about to get people hyped up to get more attention and they are obviously succeeding.

If anything it is the liberals that have been putting out propaganda and BS about racism.

Read this.


You are again assuming that Bush’s reason for war was the only reason for war and was everybody else’s reason for war. Helping the Iraqi’s is one of them.

As for your very last sentence it is contradictory to what you have previously said. You are complaing about deaths yet you want war with Iran?
We''ll more than likely end up in a war with them but the fact that you want war after complaining about all the deaths.


My question to you is why do you feel saving the Iraqi’s was wrong when the entire country was suffering?

As for evil if you have not realised it yet, there will always be evil and it will always have to be fought in some form or another. There will always be war whether it is due to stupidity or due to evil, in this case against evil. It’s life and we just need to learn to move on. Iraq is over and we’re pulling out. There’s no point in complaining about a war that is over.

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Read this.
there I fixed your link the21gamer

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wow your stats are horrible 21...

where did you get them... conservativeforlife.com

there have been over 50,000 deaths...

www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_2786.shtml

also here is the number of troop deaths in iraq...

icasualties.org/oif/

you will find it is a bit more than 1000...

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No, I did not get them from whatever website your naming and I’m talking about our troops because obviously Nada does not seem to give a crap about Iraqi’s.
I did say that the stats are not up to date so changes could’ve happened, though, either way it’s still very low for a war.

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1. We already HAVE bombings.

2. praying mats = terrorists? Wow, some “liberty and justice for all” we have.

3. The pentagon was a load of BS. The fact that there were no remnants of a passenger/commercial flight and the fact that the marks left on the buildings were most certainly not from a commercial plane, and the fact that the skill required to fly a huge plane like 10 feet above ground going at 400 miles per hour hitting the exact spot and not having anyone noticing a plane going directly over their heads points to a lie. chances are that it was a USA global hawk than a passenger plane.

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1. There’ll be more bombings.

2. No, praying mats do not equal terrorists but the terrorists we are dealing with are radicals of the Muslim religion so naturally people with common sense would be wary of them at the time being. It’s not racism, it’s common sense.

3. I see you believe in conspiracies. Do you know these terrorists train and plan for these events their entire lives so it’s not surprising the guy could pull something like this off and if no one noticed then how did they know? Not to mention that people were busy in their offices and would be too late in seeing an aircraft fly by and fire can easily burn everything to ashes. Do you have any proof that the damage was not an aircraft liner? No? Then do not use the word fact. Maybe we should all start believing in these conspiracies.

Hell you were probably part of it since you know so much and know the exact aircraft that crashed into the pentagon.

Why are you so intent on blaming everything on Bush? All the soldiers signed up for the war becauset hey wanetd to go to war and you were not forced to do a single thing.

Terrorists attacked us, osama said so himself that he was behind it. That is more than enough proof that it is not some governmental conspiracy.
You have probably been watching too many conspiracy movies.