| 21 Jul 2006 08:15 pm |
The Pendragon Rep: 34  Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | yusif2k wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
yusif2k wrote:
Yeah, but they have their Devil Triggers and other weapons.
Even then though they would get beat, like I said they would have to be at an advantage and as far as I’m concerned it isn’t a proper fight unless both are at equal levels of their potential.
Sora and Roxas are just at a constant higher step then Dante and Vergil.
P.S. Don’t listen to Disturbed, he goes around being weird all the time...
What makes you think that; come on you know way more about Dante and Vergil than i do. Though i don’t think you know enough about Sora or Roxas to just be throwing in the towel now. Before you weren’t giving up until i cussed, sry, but this time i won’t, promise, now i’m sure this will be a great topic to talk about, now let’s start, what can Dante and Vergil do, and then i’ll say what Sora and Roxas can do.
No no it’s none of that...it’s just I read alot of what you posted on Sora and Roxas is probably stronger, so I just find trying to argue it practically useless...
Dante and Vergil really aren’t anything that special...least compared to other characters...
The only real attacks I think that could possibly work against them in Vergil’s aresenal are Judgement Cut and that Boomerang move he does with Force Edge...then again they could just reflect it with the keyblade(s)...
I’m not giving up they just don’t have anything too special...I have like nothing to go on...
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 1  Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,520 OFFLINE | God of War wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Well, with what we have all said here practically everyone here has been biased a little...heck even I have too when I said that Dante and Vergil would lose...
I may have worded that other statement wrong, what I was meaning was that in order for Dante and Vergil to win they would have to have a decent power advantage over Roxas and Sora, otherwise at equal levels they would lose, I didn’t mean to start anything negative such as a downright flame war...
You didn’t Tyreaus. For some reason it appears in every debate I read with yusif he eventually starts to insult people, until I beat Kingdom Hearts 2 I’ll refrain from the fight.
They insulted me before and i insulted them back; so what. It’s no big deal, and you shouldn’t be talking about it here. This is Sora and Roxas vs Dante and Vergil. BTW, just by beating the game, you won’t learn Sora’s true potential. You’ll have to level all the way up, learn all of his abilities, win valuable accessories, and obtain the most powerful weapons in the game.
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God of War Guest | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
No no it’s none of that...it’s just I read alot of what you posted on Sora and Roxas is probably stronger, so I just find trying to argue it practically useless...
Dante and Vergil really aren’t anything that special...least compared to other characters...
The only real attacks I think that could possibly work against them in Vergil’s aresenal are Judgement Cut and that Boomerang move he does with Force Edge...then again they could just reflect it with the keyblade(s)...
I’m not giving up they just don’t have anything too special...I have like nothing to go on...
Just curious what DMC games have you played? To be honest I’ve only played some of the first and third one, all that I’m saying is what I’ve heard from other sites and seen on videos at youtube. I do agree that without their weapons Dante and Vergil aren’t that special but with them they are extremely powerful. Also yusif this isn’t allowing Dante from his appearance in Viewtiful Joe or Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne is it? I’m not going to be apart of the argument that much anymore I’ll just post videos I find on youtube.
| | | 21 Jul 2006 08:29 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 1  Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,520 OFFLINE | No one should say one side doesn’t stand a chance. i made an interesting thread; it’s not overkill for anybody.
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The Pendragon Rep: 34  Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | GOW: lol none of them but I’ve researched the background on Vergil and Dante and watched combo videos constantly...
Yusif2k: well unfortunatly this is just one of those topics where they aren’t that even, although they seem really equal they’re far from it.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 1  Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,520 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade, did you look at Sora in his Final Form?
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The Pendragon Rep: 34  Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | yusif2k wrote:
Hey Tyreaus Rhade, did you look at Sora in his Final Form?
Yea, that Cerberus cup was ironically the only one I watched too...(wanted to see the comparison between that verson and the DMC verson, really different)
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 1  Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,520 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
GOW: lol none of them but I’ve researched the background on Vergil and Dante and watched combo videos constantly...
Yusif2k: well unfortunatly this is just one of those topics where they aren’t that even, although they seem really equal they’re far from it.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
This is a pretty matched thread topic!!
Really we should discuss, and it’s most likely going to end up as a tie, but it’s just fun discussing anyway so lets.
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God of War Guest | yusif2k wrote:
They’ve insulted me before, so i insulted them back:it’s not a big deal,
Do unto others as you would do unto them, I know it sounded kind of random but thats why I try my hardest to refrain from flaming others.
and you shouldn’t be talking about it here.
You’re right about this and I apologize for it.
This is Sora and Roxas vs Dante and Vergil.
Then lets get back on topic.
BTW, just by beating the game, you won’t learn Sora’s true potential. You’ll have to level all the way up, learn all of his abilities, win valuable accessories, and obtain powerful weapons within the game.
Then you won’t have to worry. Whenever I play games where you can level up before I beat the final level I make sure the characters are at their full potential, learn all the abilities, acquire all the valuable accessories, and no matter how hard I always get the strongest weapons.
| | | 21 Jul 2006 08:33 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 1  Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,520 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Yea, that Cerberus cup was ironically the only one I watched too...(wanted to see the comparison between that verson and the DMC verson, really different)
Yeah, you saw how fast Sora was moving?
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The Pendragon Rep: 34  Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | yusif2k wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
GOW: lol none of them but I’ve researched the background on Vergil and Dante and watched combo videos constantly...
Yusif2k: well unfortunatly this is just one of those topics where they aren’t that even, although they seem really equal they’re far from it.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
This is a pretty matched thread topic!!
No really we should discuss, and it’s bound to end up as a tie, but it’s just fun discussing so lets.
It would only end up as a tie if you had Dante at Awakened Sparda level (same level he had when fighting Mundus) and Nelo Angelo from DMC3 who was nearly immortal, and cut Roxas and Sora’s power levels to about 75%...that’s pushing it way too far though to even think of it as a good fight...
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Taking noobs to school Rep: 42  Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 15,979 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
GOW: lol none of them but I’ve researched the background on Vergil and Dante and watched combo videos constantly...
Yusif2k: well unfortunatly this is just one of those topics where they aren’t that even, although they seem really equal they’re far from it.
lol
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The Pendragon Rep: 34  Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | Vergil and Dante just aren’t well equipped for elemental attacks, which Sora and Roxas specilize in, they can just block/avoid attacks, and some of the attacks Sora was pulling in that video were far too fast for either of them to think of being faster...
Dante and Vergil are more built for toe to toe bouts, with the powers Sora and Roxas have it puts them at a very bad disadvantage...
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 1  Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,520 OFFLINE | Hey TR i want you to rate my images i made on the first post.
?/10
| | | 21 Jul 2006 08:43 pm |
The Pendragon Rep: 34  Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | The Sora and Roxas one looks awesome...the Dante and Vergil one I don’t like so much, don’t ask me why I just don’t...but if you found them on the net and just resized them it’s still alright.
Hmm...probably 8 and 6...(respectivly for R&S and D&V)
There’s one of mission 19 at the end with Dante and Vergil in them together...properly...
http://gallery.devilmaycry.org/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2
Well there was one better then this...
Oh forget it...
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God of War Guest | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Vergil and Dante just aren’t well equipped for elemental attacks,which Sora and Roxas specilize in,
I’m not to sure about that. For starters I’m sure their used to fire(they live in Hell after all),Dante fought and defeated Cerberus(who for some reason in this game was ice elemental),he fought Beowulf(who had control over light),and he has Alastor(an enchanted sword of lighting.)
they can just block/avoid attacks,
Its argualby but I really believe Vergil to be a better swordsman than the other two and could probably react in time, Dante well he has Quicksilver which slows down time.
and some of the attacks Sora was pulling in that video were far too fast for either of them to think of being faster...
I need to see those videos. Vergil with Dark Slayer style can teleport but I guess his regular speed is greater or equal to Dantes.
Just in case hears Dark Stalker style.
Moves with Dark Slayer Style:
Level 1: Air Trick - pressing “O” while an enemy is onscreen will result in Vergil doing a short teleport towards an enemy (usually the one that you are locked onto). This is a lot like Dante’s “dash” move, except the direction can not be controlled, it is always in the direction of the enemy. One thing to note is that this move can be used while not holding R1 to lock onto an enemy. This allows you to teleport to an enemy of your choice, simply by pressing the control stick in the direction of the desired enemy and pressing “O”.
Level 2: Trick Up - While locking onto an enemy, press forward on the control stick and “O” to execute this move. Vergil will teleport to a spot directly above where he is standing. This is a good move to get away from a projectile attack, or to follow up an attack that sent an enemy in the air. One thing to note is that you can jump before you execute this move to gain extra height, and you may also use a regular dash move after you use this move (affectively using both in one sequence).
Level 3: Trick Down - While holding R1, press back on the analog stick and press “O” to teleport directly downwards from the air. The true usefulness to this move is that it grants you a back dash while already on the ground, so figuratively speaking, someone who has mastered all the teleporting moves could avoid all damage.
Dante and Vergil are more built for toe to toe bouts, with the powers Sora and Roxas have it puts them at a very bad disadvantage...
Not to sure, I need to see those videos.
| | | 21 Jul 2006 08:59 pm |
The Pendragon Rep: 34  Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | God of War wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Vergil and Dante just aren’t well equipped for elemental attacks,which Sora and Roxas specilize in,
I’m not to sure about that. For starters I’m sure their used to fire(they live in Hell after all) (I don’t think so, they did go to the demon world but it’s never said how hot it is there, looks moderate temperature though, and niether of them live in hell either they live in the human world),Dante fought and defeated Cerberus(who for some reason in this game was ice elemental),he fought Beowulf(who had control over light),and he has Alastor(an enchanted sword of lighting.) (those were more element-enhanced attacks, like they originated from the enemy and they can avoid that easily, the only one that wasn’t like that was vergil’s modified judgement cut at the last mission in DMC3, some of the things I saw in that video are completly different then what Dante and Vergil have faced before)
they can just block/avoid attacks,
Its argualby but I really believe Vergil to be a better swordsman than the other two and could probably react in time, Dante well he has Quicksilver which slows down time. (yes but even then, he needs to get his DT up there first, and everyone knows how you’re supposed to do that, killing things)
and some of the attacks Sora was pulling in that video were far too fast for either of them to think of being faster...
I need to see those videos. Vergil with Dark Slayer style can teleport but I guess his regular speed is greater or equal to Dantes. (equal, and his teleport is only slightly faster then Dante’s trickster jumps, the main bonus is that it doesn’t stall him when he lands)
Just in case hears Dark Stalker style. (I’ve memorised it, Trick up, trick forward, trick down/back, like I said before some of the attacks that were in that video could take down Vergil with the way they attack and how fast they attack)
Moves with Dark Slayer Style:
Level 1: Air Trick - pressing “O” while an enemy is onscreen will result in Vergil doing a short teleport towards an enemy (usually the one that you are locked onto). This is a lot like Dante’s “dash” move, except the direction can not be controlled, it is always in the direction of the enemy. One thing to note is that this move can be used while not holding R1 to lock onto an enemy. This allows you to teleport to an enemy of your choice, simply by pressing the control stick in the direction of the desired enemy and pressing “O”.
Level 2: Trick Up - While locking onto an enemy, press forward on the control stick and “O” to execute this move. Vergil will teleport to a spot directly above where he is standing. This is a good move to get away from a projectile attack, or to follow up an attack that sent an enemy in the air. One thing to note is that you can jump before you execute this move to gain extra height, and you may also use a regular dash move after you use this move (affectively using both in one sequence).
Level 3: Trick Down - While holding R1, press back on the analog stick and press “O” to teleport directly downwards from the air. The true usefulness to this move is that it grants you a back dash while already on the ground, so figuratively speaking, someone who has mastered all the teleporting moves could avoid all damage.
Dante and Vergil are more built for toe to toe bouts, with the powers Sora and Roxas have it puts them at a very bad disadvantage...
Not to sure, I need to see those videos. (it’s built quite heavily in long range, that’s the biggest weakness in their (Dante and Vergils) aresenal, they have few decent long range attacks, they need to get really close, and all Sora and Roxas have to really do is stay behind and pelt them with elemental attacks from a range)
It’s still hard to call, toe to toe alone they’d be even but when you get into longer and longer ranges the power starts tipping towards Sora and Roxas.
Mostly with the elementals, the attacks that were meant to catch you off guard (like Ceberus' Ice Drop, ones that originated off-screen or away from the enemy) were slow enough to dodge (with the exception being of course Vergil’s Rage Judgement Cut at mission 20, it carpet-bombs the entire arena at random) Sora and Roxas use the same type of attacks which come from virtually nowhere with no warning and very fast.
Sora and Roxas' atttacks are just much more random then what Dante and Vergil have faced, and are faster, they can barely get away from the other attacks as it is, something that is faster...
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The Pendragon Rep: 34  Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | I’ll be back later if not tomorrow, have things to do and I’m quite tired right now...arguing is not on my agenda of things to do today...
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 1  Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,520 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
It’s not a minute difference, it’s a major difference. What Yusif doesn’t understand is it’s not a difference with the character’s appearance or their physical strength. The difference is what the characters can do.
See for yourself: Paradox Cup Match 49, Sephiroth Battle Part 1, Sephiroth Battle Part 2
Cid wrote:
In Final Fantasy VII Cloud can kill Sora with one strike with his materia
How do you know? You said you haven’t played KH2. Do you know how good Sora’s defenses are and how much damage he can deal? Cloud would be the one getting his ass kicked seeing as Sora’s faster, more skilled, and has a better weapon. BTW the Cloud in FF7:AC is exactly the same in KH2.
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