| 01 Aug 2006 08:54 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6  Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,602 OFFLINE | "you know, you are the hardest person for me to argue with. Your points are direct, bold, and… extremely logical. "
Thanks.
“He created everything, but sin is an absence of something, an absence of him. It came about because another being gained power. The other being was satin. He lets people have free will, and part of free will is letting things happen. If God stopped anything bad from happening, we would not have true free will. "
Well if you want to go down that road, I could argue that we really don’t even have free will. God knows our future and knows ever action we will take. which means that it is an ultimately flawed system in that God in is unlimited knowledge and wisdom predestines people to heaven or hell. The tree meant nothing, and it is keeping with the general idiocy of higher beings.
“No, he cannot exist with sin. Sin cannot be near him. It just does not work. "
So there is something that can defeat him, something he cant do.
“Ok, this was hard. I had to talk to a friend for this. If God were to help one person their, he would have to help everyone to be at all fair. If he just helped everyone constantly, then they would rely on him. That is hardly even free will, if everything you got was hand fed. "
You know what, I’m sure if he calmly explained that to them and maybe changed that crap desert they live in, to a somewhat nicer place, they would understand not to call for him every time. But letting people suffer when you have the power to stop it, is evil, so what dose that say about almighty here.
“It was not his choice, the Israelites (?) considered him so holy that they did not feel right referring to him with his real name. They felt it was disrespectful. "
people do the darndest things.
“An ass hole? Hmm, that was not at all what I thought when I saw your posts. I thought you were probably in pain. It seems like you are full of hate. You seem bitter. Maybe you are naturally like this, but it seems to me like that’s probably not the case. If something really is wrong, you can talk to me about it. It does not have to be public. My yahoo im address is kev3060@yahoo.com. My gmail address is kev3060@gmail.com. Fell free to talk to me at either of these. I will not make fun of you at all, I will not use anything you say against you, and I will not be an ass. I understand if you don’t want to talk to me, but if you do, im here. "
You remind me of "....Some one who cares”
“Ok, maybe strengthen was not the best word. But, there is a possibility god was trying to mold your personality to something that could end up doing a lot of good. We are to close to everything to see the big picture clearly. It is impossible to tell why things happen. But, there is a reason. That is why their has to be faith in religion."
so he was trying to indirectly shape my personality? and i thought it was just the cancer! this just goes to show that he is the force that guides us, into making decisions that we other wise would not have made, and as such defeating the notion of free will.
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Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it." | |
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Regular Rep: 0  Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 180 OFFLINE | people seem ta think they know everything about God. du they?
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 1Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | No, they only have theories of god. No one can prove god is real and if they can, they haven’t.
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The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | | | 01 Aug 2006 09:12 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,602 OFFLINE | I don’t think i know every thing about the prick, i just think im smarter.
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Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it." | | | 01 Aug 2006 09:14 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 1Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2,116 OFFLINE | That’s ummm. nice.
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The farther you question, the more they will hate you. | | | 01 Aug 2006 05:06 pm |
Thee legit G_QQ Rep: 8 Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 5,261 OFFLINE | Hello Zucas…we meet again..lol!
Well I read your post and I just had to reply to it.
Okay so I read it, and its excellent ! I try to be not so narrow minded and just see things from my point of view…so when I read that I could see where your coming from .
Zucas wrote:
Now as you said Adam and Eve were perfect. And actually were 2 out of 3 people that were perfect along with Jesus right. And they are perfect in a godly way meaning they could do no sin. Am I still on the right track.
Adam and Eve were not perfect in that sense. Let me explain…
When God created man ( Adam & Eve ), he was his most prized creation . He made a garden , full of fruits , animals , water , everything that they needed- it was there . Now could you imagine not ever having to work a day in your life and just have everything provided to you ? Well that’s what they had . In return, god specified that they could not eat any fruit from the forbidden tree . Now think about it , if you could eat alllll the other fruits provided there in the garden , why would you even think about eating the fruit from the forbidden tree ?? Until one day Eve was tempted by the devil who had disguised himself as a snake telling her that the fruit on the Forbidden tree would make her wiser , how delicious it was and that one bite would do her no harm . She gave in to the temptation and agreed that just one bite would do no harm . After biting it she discovered that it was delicious , then ran to Adam and told him to bit some of it aswel .
Now when God had discovered this he banished them from the gardens and had an angel with a fiery sword guard the gates .. they were never to come back . Adam and Eves punishment is one that we as a people still carry today . Adams was that his herbs (at the time) would sprout thorns and that he would get to rule over Eve ( nice punishment huh ? ) but also his punishment was to listen to his wife , Eves punishment was pain during childbirth (yeah thanks a lot Eve) , pain in conception and to become a servant of sorts to Adam . But nonetheless they were thrown out because god had specifically asked them not to eat that fruit . Something so simple , yet she still had to taste it …. It’s a wicked thing , temptation . So they were thrown out , forced to work for their meals and fight to survive .
Were Adam & Eve perfect ?? Far from it in that sense . How ever it is written that Eve was the most gorgeous & beautiful woman that ever existed & Adam , most handsome . So in that sense .. they were god’s first creation , his prized creation .
Zucas wrote:
But since I don’t believe in you religion really none of this matters to me cause all I know is that every human alive is imperfect. Cause perfection is unachievable. Too many different kinds of perfection to differen perceptions make it utterly impossible to be perfect. Perfection to me is a lie so really you have to be perfect to yourself. And if you can find something that makes you feel like you lived a perfect life to your standards then indeed you were perfect. Otherwise only your own perfection cna make you perfect but a world perfection is just impossible.
I agree with you here .. no one is perfect . I believe God to only be perfect .. no us human beings . Everyday there are temptations thrown at us , and everyday , every single person sins . Maybe without even realizing it , but we do .
So we are here today , struggling , fighting & working to live because of Adam & Eve . Now either of us are perfect however we strive to do whats just by God & know the difference between good and evil . Why ?? Because someday maybe we will be allowed in the Garden Of Eden , or Heaven or 1000 years of paradise for the life that we live here on earth . This I believe is the purpose of a Christian’s life .. this is what they are striving for .
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Thee legit G_QQ Rep: 8Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 5,261 OFFLINE | Quakeless One wrote:
kev360 wrote:
But god created satin, so therefor he created evil, or \\\“the absense of god\\\" as has been stated. So god created the absense of god..... AND?
For the first paragraph, I think the beginning of this post explains why I do this. Im not trying to prove that im right, this is honestly because I care about you. And, I just had to add that stuff. It flowed so well, I couldn’t resist.
God created satin, satin became very powerful, satin created sin.
Fine, but keep in mind people of other religions do what you’re doing because “they care about others”, so can you imagine how old it gets after about the 6th christian tells me the same thing about having to accept jesus, the 4th muslim tells me i have to accept the que’ran as the word of allah, and his messenger muhammad, as well as a couple of mormons telling me to accept the words of joseph smith. So if you wish to keep spouting it, fine, but i’m telling you right now, it’ll do no good, and merely make me a little more angry, and a little less open to what you’re saying, especially after the third post of people like “someone who cares” saying nothing but “i beleive in jesus in my heart, and i see him in the sun everyday, as well as the smile of every baby”.
Now then, back to the topic at hand, god created satan, satan created evil, erego god created evil, i still fail to see how the giant story thing on the first page disproves this.
I know what you mean .
Thats the whole point though .. at the end of the day its your decision on what you believe .. its all on your shoulders . No one is forcing you to beileve anything , it is up to you , and your future will unfold the way it does because of you and your choices .
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You can take an aussie out of Australia, but you can never take the australian out of an aussie | | | 01 Aug 2006 05:23 pm |
Thee legit G_QQ Rep: 8Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 5,261 OFFLINE | Kev360 wrote:
sary, i was off toilet papering last night.... man, if their are any other christens watching this, feel free to help. i mean, i can argue most of these, but all of these people are very different. its hard to argue against so many diverse personalities. btw, to anyone that im arguing with... try not to get pissed at me. think about this... im a christen, so naturally, since im arguing for God, im trying to convert you guys. now, why would i care if you were christen or not? well, because, according to my religion, if you are not, and since you have not accepted that Jesus saved you, you will go to hell. i am honestly fighting for you guys.
Kev I admire your posts & what your trying to do . But you need to ask yourself if your posts are ever , ever going to “convert” people over to Christianity ?? Because really , these people have opinions & objectives about Christianity and they are sticking by them . If people really want to know what the religion is about they would be out there experiencing it ( going church , etc. ) But at the end of the day its their decision .
Just by 'forcing' people to believe is going to make them loose respect for you and then your going to be another 'SWC' . At the end of the day its what you believe that matters ..because ultimately your never going to get them to believe , it is their choice .
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You can take an aussie out of Australia, but you can never take the australian out of an aussieLast edited 01 Aug 2006 05:24 pm by GOOOGLE_QUEEN | | | 01 Aug 2006 05:31 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 44  Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 4,149 OFFLINE | why is god killing us if he loves us so much
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PS3KICKS360 wrote:
I am a celebrity for all those gay porno’s I do in my spare time 
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Thee legit G_QQ Rep: 8Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 5,261 OFFLINE | Read this if your stupid 2 wrote:
why is god killing us if he loves us so much
excuse me ??
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You can take an aussie out of Australia, but you can never take the australian out of an aussieLast edited 01 Aug 2006 05:37 pm by GOOOGLE_QUEEN | | | 01 Aug 2006 05:57 pm |
delete_guest5 Guest | god did not create evil, man did.
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Thee legit G_QQ Rep: 8Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 5,261 OFFLINE | you said it sister
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You can take an aussie out of Australia, but you can never take the australian out of an aussie | | | 01 Aug 2006 06:22 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,602 OFFLINE | Even with that one, you’re still not finding it. Even if man created evil, god created man, and because he knows every thing he would know what man was going to do, so he is still responsible.
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Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it." | | | 01 Aug 2006 06:25 pm |
Thee legit G_QQ Rep: 8Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 5,261 OFFLINE | Weasel 16 wrote:
Even with that one, you’re still not finding it. Even if man created evil, god created man, and because he knows every thing he would know what man was going to do, so he is still responsible.
God created man .. yes . But he created them so that they have the knowledge to make daily choices and decisions themselves. Example : You see money in someones purse .
you could :
(a) - Steal it ..
(b) - Do nothing .. just carry on ..
Now is god making you chose one of those choices ?? No .
Its your choice .. not his . You can’t blame your choices , mistakes & future on someone else .
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You can take an aussie out of Australia, but you can never take the australian out of an aussie | | | 01 Aug 2006 06:30 pm |
delete_guest5 Guest | very true in every way you read it, everyone can carry on Arguing and pointing the finger but all in all it was man who created evil.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 44Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 4,149 OFFLINE | i dont belive in good or evil things just are. Its the law that says whats bad or whats good but in nature nothing is bad and nothing is good. If you kill someone in the united states you’ll get arrested because its a bad thing there but in some poor african countries you could rape 500 women and there they would say its a good thing(This is a example of how warlords treat there enemies there) well whos right? no one because people killing people its just nature and we have laws to stop killing because the world would be in chaos if we didnt have laws.
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PS3KICKS360 wrote:
I am a celebrity for all those gay porno’s I do in my spare time
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delete_guest Guest | GOOOGLE_QUEEN wrote:
Weasel 16 wrote:
Even with that one, you’re still not finding it. Even if man created evil, god created man, and because he knows every thing he would know what man was going to do, so he is still responsible.
God created man .. yes . But he created them so that they have the knowledge to make daily choices and decisions themselves. Example : You see money in someones purse .
you could :
(a) - Steal it ..
(b) - Do nothing .. just carry on ..
Now is god making you chose one of those choices ?? No .
Its your choice .. not his . You can’t blame your choices , mistakes & future on someone else .
right on! and if you have the faith and belief then evil will never enter your mind
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 44Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 4,149 OFFLINE | GOOOGLE_QUEEN wrote:
Weasel 16 wrote:
Even with that one, you’re still not finding it. Even if man created evil, god created man, and because he knows every thing he would know what man was going to do, so he is still responsible.
God created man .. yes . But he created them so that they have the knowledge to make daily choices and decisions themselves. Example : You see money in someones purse .
you could :
(a) - Steal it ..
(b) - Do nothing .. just carry on ..
Now is god making you chose one of those choices ?? No .
Its your choice .. not his . You can’t blame your choices , mistakes & future on someone else .
well what says that moneys hers? her saying it is her geting it from her job? Nature didnt creat money man did money is just the extra we made to decide what items should be valuble or not. So takeing it from someone else wouldnt matter the law wont accept it but human instinct and nature would since money isnt anything but trees. So there is no such thing as stealing outside of the law
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PS3KICKS360 wrote:
I am a celebrity for all those gay porno’s I do in my spare time
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delete_guest Guest | Read this if your stupid 2 wrote:
GOOOGLE_QUEEN wrote:
Weasel 16 wrote:
Even with that one, you’re still not finding it. Even if man created evil, god created man, and because he knows every thing he would know what man was going to do, so he is still responsible.
God created man .. yes . But he created them so that they have the knowledge to make daily choices and decisions themselves. Example : You see money in someones purse .
you could :
(a) - Steal it ..
(b) - Do nothing .. just carry on ..
Now is god making you chose one of those choices ?? No .
Its your choice .. not his . You can’t blame your choices , mistakes & future on someone else .
well what says that moneys hers? her saying it is her geting it from her job? Nature didnt creat money man did money is just the extra we made to decide what items should be valuble or not. So takeing it from someone else wouldnt matter the law wont accept it but human instinct and nature would since money isnt anything but trees. So there is no such thing as stealing outside of the law
uhh sorry...that makes no sense to me. ?!?!?!
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