| 20 Sep 2006 01:34 pm |
Regular Rep: 0  Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 176 OFFLINE | Man, this sucks.
i can’t get a pic on my sig and I can’t upload an avater no matter how much I shrink it and even if I save it as a GIF or JPG it’s till won’t work?
Hey, could you guys help me on this? ---
 | | | | 20 Sep 2006 04:00 pm |
Manchester Black Guest | OverLord wrote:
Anyways I’m talking about GT Goku which yusif proved is canon a while back.
Actually its not as I and others have proved.
Anyways lol MAnchester you will always go for Supes no matter what the circumstances are same for Destiny Guy you fanboys.
Actually no, if someone uses Cartoon Supes agaisnt any form of Goku I know for a fact he loses, comic Supes is a different story. Anyway DestinyGuy is neutral. | | | 20 Sep 2006 04:35 pm |
you are smart Rep: 48  Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,610 OFFLINE | Dude, you’re putting Goku from GT (a non-canon series, deal with it), against a child? You’re retarded. ---
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Guardian of MvC Rep: 83 Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | Hey sombody else who knows that GT isn’t cannon! ---
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you are smart Rep: 48Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,610 OFFLINE | Everyone knows GT isn’t canon, they just refuse to accept it. ---
| | | 20 Sep 2006 08:12 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | I know, you would think the line “It is the only series that is not based on a manga by Akira Toriyama” would make people learn that it is indeed non-cannon. ---
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you are smart Rep: 48Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,610 OFFLINE | Not to mention the style is just off. ---
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Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | And Toriyama didn’t have much to do with the story if anything at all. ---
| | | 20 Sep 2006 08:32 pm |
you are smart Rep: 48Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,610 OFFLINE | And SS4 is retarded. ---
| | | 20 Sep 2006 09:32 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | agreed ---
| | | 20 Sep 2006 09:34 pm |
you are smart Rep: 48Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,610 OFFLINE | Their hair is black, shorter, and their entire body is covered in red fuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... ---
| | | 20 Sep 2006 10:03 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | Wasn’t Goku’s fur pink? ---
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you are smart Rep: 48Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,610 OFFLINE | maybe ---
| | | 21 Sep 2006 10:33 am |
Pwnage Guest | Atresac wrote:
Dude, you’re putting Goku from GT (a non-canon series, deal with it), against a child? You’re retarded.
Yeah, the kid form stupid.
Kid vs. kid and like I said Supeboy retains his afult powers too idiot. | | | 21 Sep 2006 10:35 am |
Pwnage Guest | Dude, yusif proved it was canon (you deal w/ it)
And Goku would pwn Supes btw, man. | | | 21 Sep 2006 11:41 am |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | How did yusif prove it was canon when it’s clearly not? The definition of Canon is the following.
“In the context of fiction, the canon of a fictional universe comprises those novels, stories, films, etc. that are considered to be genuine, and those events, characters, settings, etc. that are considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe. Usually items that are considered canon come from the original source of the fictional universe while non-canon material comes from adaptations or unofficial items."
Canon Definitions from google
Note two areas in the definition, “are considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe” and Usually items that are considered canon come from the original source of the fictional universe
Dragonball GT lacks both of these qualities, Unlike Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Akira Toriyama had only minor involvement in the show’s early stages, setting forth the initial premise of the series, as well as designs for most of the main characters, including newcomer Giru. Because of his minimal involvement, some parts of GT contradict the previous parts of the series. It’s inconsistencies include but are not limited to:
* Goku’s immature behavior and seemingly limited strength in his child form, despite retaining his adult memories and strength.
* Trunks and Goku not using Super Saiyan as often as they ought to, in fights where it would easily allow them to win.
* The fact Gohan could turn Super Saiyan despite the fact it appeared that after having his power unlocked during the Fusion saga he was unable to do so anymore.
* Vegeta growing (and then shaving off) a mustache, when Saiyans are previously stated to only have hair that grows in a set pattern, to a certain length.
There are too many things GT lacks to be considered canon.
| | | 21 Sep 2006 03:01 pm |
Pwnage Guest | Cid wrote:
How did yusif prove it was canon when it’s clearly not? The definition of Canon is the following.
“In the context of fiction, the canon of a fictional universe comprises those novels, stories, films, etc. that are considered to be genuine, and those events, characters, settings, etc. that are considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe. Usually items that are considered canon come from the original source of the fictional universe while non-canon material comes from adaptations or unofficial items."
Yusif posted an article from wiki declaring the canon state of this seies.
[url=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&defl=en&q=define:canon&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title]Canon Definitions from google[/url]
Note two areas in the definition, “are considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe” and Usually items that are considered canon come from the original source of the fictional universe
Dude, I know but GT just doesn’t fall under this category.
Dragonball GT lacks both of these qualities, Unlike Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Akira Toriyama had only minor involvement in the show’s early stages, setting forth the initial premise of the series, as well as designs for most of the main characters, including newcomer Giru. Because of his minimal involvement, some parts of GT contradict the previous parts of the series. It’s inconsistencies include but are not limited to:
* Goku’s immature behavior and seemingly limited strength in his child form, despite retaining his adult memories and strength.
All kids wanna have fun...
* Trunks and Goku not using Super Saiyan as often as they ought to, in fights where it would easily allow them to win.
They didn’t want to or didn’t need to...
* The fact Gohan could turn Super Saiyan despite the fact it appeared that after having his power unlocked during the Fusion saga he was unable to do so anymore.
Goku taught him again for the cost of him losing his “mystic powers”...
* Vegeta growing (and then shaving off) a mustache, when Saiyans are previously stated to only have hair that grows in a set pattern, to a certain length.
Vegata just said hair not facial hair...
There are too many things GT lacks to be considered canon.
No there aren’t. Look over your post man. | | | 21 Sep 2006 03:19 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 2 Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,520 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
How did yusif prove it was canon when it’s clearly not? The definition of Canon is the following;
Actually, i was using a Wikipedia article, which said that GT was officially canon although fans considered it not to be. Then, someone went and changed it taking out the part that said “GT is officially canon”. That’s when i realized articles on wikipedia can be edited by anyone at anytime. Nonetheless, that’s what the thread starter is using, and SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 is “canon”.
“In the context of fiction, the canon of a fictional universe comprises those novels, stories, films, etc. that are considered to be genuine, and those events, characters, settings, etc. that are considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe. Usually items that are considered canon come from the original source of the fictional universe while non-canon material comes from adaptations or unofficial items.";
So what you’re saying is GT isn’t official; because it is. If it wasn’t official, then it wouldn’t be made by a licensed company that had rights to make it. Instead, it would be made up in some fan’s mind. The only reason it’s not considered canon is becuase of some contradictions that are insignificant to begin with.
Dragonball GT lacks both of these qualities, Unlike Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Akira Toriyama had only minor involvement in the show’s early stages;
So what about Superman’s original writer; If i recall, Superman was made in the 50’s. So, would the original writer still be writing about Superman to this day; not likely. From what i heard, Superman has 100+ writers where as dbz has only one. If what you’re saying is true, then everything that was made by writers other than the first about Superman should be non-canon due to the fact the original writer did not contribute to the new material.
setting forth the initial premise of the series, as well as designs for most of the main characters, including newcomer Giru. Because of his minimal involvement, some parts of GT contradict the previous parts of the series. It’s inconsistencies include but are not limited to;
You do realize you are using this from a Wikipedia article which i already mentioned can be edited by anyone at anytime; But anyway...
* Goku’s immature behavior and seemingly limited strength in his child form, despite retaining his adult memories and strength.
* Trunks and Goku not using Super Saiyan as often as they ought to, in fights where it would easily allow them to win.
* The fact Gohan could turn Super Saiyan despite the fact it appeared that after having his power unlocked during the Fusion saga he was unable to do so anymore.
* Vegeta growing (and then shaving off) a mustache, when Saiyans are previously stated to only have hair that grows in a set pattern, to a certain length.
As already mentioned, these have very little importance to the fact that the character’s increase in power is correlated with the amount of fighting experience they gain through battles and training. They are also insignificant considering they don’t have to do with the fact saiyans have no limit to their power. With more experience, they get an increase in all of the categories; such as strength, speed, and durability. Plus, i could easily say that KH2 isn’t canon because Axel who was a member of Organization XIII said every heartless slain only by the Keyblade releases a captive heart. Though, when Cloud and Squall killed heartless, the captive hearts were also released...that’s a contradiction. Kingdom Hearts II is canon.
There are too many things GT lacks to be considered canon.
I think I proved that wrong above. Last edited 21 Sep 2006 03:26 pm by yusif2k | | | 21 Sep 2006 03:43 pm |
you are smart Rep: 48Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,610 OFFLINE | yusif2k wrote:
Cid wrote:
How did yusif prove it was canon when it’s clearly not? The definition of Canon is the following;
Actually, i was using a Wikipedia article, which said that GT was officially canon although fans considered it not to be. Then, someone went and changed it taking out the part that said “GT is officially canon”. That’s when i realized articles on wikipedia can be edited by anyone at anytime. Nonetheless, that’s what the thread starter is using, and SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 is “canon”.
“In the context of fiction, the canon of a fictional universe comprises those novels, stories, films, etc. that are considered to be genuine, and those events, characters, settings, etc. that are considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe. Usually items that are considered canon come from the original source of the fictional universe while non-canon material comes from adaptations or unofficial items.";
So what you’re saying is GT isn’t official; because it is. If it wasn’t official, then it wouldn’t be made by a licensed company that had rights to make it. Instead, it would be made up in some fan’s mind. The only reason it’s not considered canon is becuase of some contradictions that are insignificant to begin with.
Dragonball GT lacks both of these qualities, Unlike Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Akira Toriyama had only minor involvement in the show’s early stages;
So what about Superman’s original writer; If i recall, Superman was made in the 50’s. So, would the original writer still be writing about Superman to this day; not likely. From what i heard, Superman has 100+ writers where as dbz has only one. If what you’re saying is true, then everything that was made by writers other than the first about Superman should be non-canon due to the fact the original writer did not contribute to the new material.
setting forth the initial premise of the series, as well as designs for most of the main characters, including newcomer Giru. Because of his minimal involvement, some parts of GT contradict the previous parts of the series. It’s inconsistencies include but are not limited to;
You do realize you are using this from a Wikipedia article which i already mentioned can be edited by anyone at anytime; But anyway...
* Goku’s immature behavior and seemingly limited strength in his child form, despite retaining his adult memories and strength.
* Trunks and Goku not using Super Saiyan as often as they ought to, in fights where it would easily allow them to win.
* The fact Gohan could turn Super Saiyan despite the fact it appeared that after having his power unlocked during the Fusion saga he was unable to do so anymore.
* Vegeta growing (and then shaving off) a mustache, when Saiyans are previously stated to only have hair that grows in a set pattern, to a certain length.
As already mentioned, these have very little importance to the fact that the character’s increase in power is correlated with the amount of fighting experience they gain through battles and training. They are also insignificant considering they don’t have to do with the fact saiyans have no limit to their power. With more experience, they get an increase in all of the categories; such as strength, speed, and durability. Plus, i could easily say that KH2 isn’t canon because Axel who was a member of Organization XIII said every heartless slain only by the Keyblade releases a captive heart. Though, when Cloud and Squall killed heartless, the captive hearts were also released...that’s a contradiction. Kingdom Hearts II is canon.
There are too many things GT lacks to be considered canon.
I think I proved that wrong above.
I think you didn’t. And the whole “wikipedia can be edited by anyone” thing is bullshit anyway. Do you know just how quickly bullshit gets cleaned up on wikipedia? Just about instantly. I once edited a page to make a little joke, and by the time I copy and pasted the link to my friend, re-opened the window and refreshed the page, it was back to normal. All that aside though, the reason GT should not be considered canon is because of all the inconsistencies throughout the show and its linking (or lack thereof) to the DB/Z series.
| | | 21 Sep 2006 03:49 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | Yusif, you proved nothing. First of all, I didn’t use Wikipedia. Also I understand that Wiki can be edited, but let’s face it, most if not all of the things that stay on wikipedia are true, if they weren’t then it would be edited by somebody to make it true.
A Part in wikipedia said that GT is canon, and then it was edited. And probably edited pretty quickly because most of the evidence points to GT not being canon. The biggest reason is the fact that Akira Toriyama didn’t have anything to do with the story. It was created by somebody else, yes he approved the Story but that doesn’t make it canon. The Dragonball Z movies were approved by him, but you can’t call them all canon. In fact if I remember correctly only one of the movies can even fit into the Dragonball Z timeline.
GT is just like the movies, something created for entertainment not to add to the story. So by saying that GT is canon you must also agree that the movies are canon, which is impossible. ---
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