| 28 Sep 2006 10:15 pm |
Manchester Black Guest | Cid wrote:
Manchester Black wrote:
Full Power kamehama would take quite some time.
20 seconds tops, he’s done it before and does it quickly, remember when he was going to namek and was in danger of flying into the star? That was fast work.
That was far from full power.
Manchester Black wrote:
Useless unless he can lock onto a familiar ki.
Superman’s Ki would suffice
Supermans ki isn’t familiar to him. And thats if he even has any.
Manchester Black wrote:
For starters Goku wouldn’t do that and second he can’t breath in space.
He’s done it before, well he’s ran away so that he could power up... well not really run away but he let Buu kick Vegeta’s ass so that he could power up...
This is a one on one fight though. If Goku gets to call the Z fighters, Supes gets to call the JLA,JSA,Teen Titans,Legion of Superheroes(1000s of superheroes),etc.
oh and speaking of Vegeta... didn’t he blow up a planet at the begining of the series?
Filler episode. Meaning its non-canon.
If I remember correctly he was outside of his pod in the emptiness of space... so Saiyans can breath in space.
look above.
Manchester Black wrote:
Superman wouldn’t really need to.
I think he would if he didn’t want to die
Thats if it could hurt him. Plus Supes can move faster than light so he could dodge it.
Manchester Black wrote:
Superman doesn’t have ki and if he does its incredibly low and not familiar to Gokus.
everything has Ki, even plants, and for Superman to be as strong as he is, he probably has a lot of Ki.
Yes in the DBZverse. Supes power comes from the sun.
Manchester Black wrote:
Anyway Superman has taken a galaxy destroying attack, kamehama drains Goku of just about all his energy if he powers up to the fullest like you say.
As mentioned earlier, Vegeta was easily able to destroy a planet when his power level was only 18000, think how easy it would be to destroy a galaxy with a power level of 10,000,000.
AS I mentioned earlier it was a non-canon filler episode. | | | | 28 Sep 2006 10:27 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83  Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
That was far from full power.
He went into what his Kaokein x 20? He was moving towards his peak at that point.
Manchester Black wrote:
Supermans ki isn’t familiar to him. And thats if he even has any.
Goku would only have to sense his Ki once to be familliar with it.
Manchester Black wrote:
This is a one on one fight though. If Goku gets to call the Z fighters, Supes gets to call the JLA,JSA,Teen Titans,Legion of Superheroes(1000s of superheroes),etc.
I didn’t say that Vegeta would help, I was merely pointing out the fact that Goku isn’t below doing something underhanded to charge his Ki.
Manchester Black wrote:
Filler episode. Meaning its non-canon.
What about Frieza blowing up Namek then?
Manchester Black wrote:
Thats if it could hurt him. Plus Supes can move faster than light so he could dodge it.
Not if Goku fires the blast right when he teleports, it would hit Superman instantly.
Manchester Black wrote:
Yes in the DBZverse. Supes power comes from the sun.
You don’t know anything about Japanese culture do you? They believe that every living thing has Ki and it emits from their body in the form of that persons Aura, didn’t you say something about Superman’s Aura?
 | | | 28 Sep 2006 10:34 pm |
Manchester Black Guest | Cid wrote:
Manchester Black wrote:
That was far from full power.
He went into what his Kaokein x 20? He was moving towards his peak at that point.
Not to sure, its been years since I saw DBZ but for some reason I remeber him doing it normal.
Manchester Black wrote:
Supermans ki isn’t familiar to him. And thats if he even has any.
Goku would only have to sense his Ki once to be familliar with it.
You so sure? He couldn’t teleport to the Kais planet and he was familiar with their ki.
Manchester Black wrote:
This is a one on one fight though. If Goku gets to call the Z fighters, Supes gets to call the JLA,JSA,Teen Titans,Legion of Superheroes(1000s of superheroes),etc.
I didn’t say that Vegeta would help, I was merely pointing out the fact that Goku isn’t below doing something underhanded to charge his Ki.
You have to take into account Buu was a raging psychopath and was dangerous to everyone, of course Goku would do it then otherwise he likes a fair fight, hell he gave Cell a senzu been.
Manchester Black wrote:
Filler episode. Meaning its non-canon.
What about Frieza blowing up Namek then?
The Death Ball was thrown directly at Nameks core, attacking the core of the planet destroys it. Now theres not a thought in my mind Goku can destroy a planet at the end of DBZ, but a solar system is pushing it.
Manchester Black wrote:
Thats if it could hurt him. Plus Supes can move faster than light so he could dodge it.
Not if Goku fires the blast right when he teleports, it would hit Superman instantly.
If Cell had enough time to say “Oh Shit” when Goku teleported infront of him and hit him with a kamehama Supes has enough time to dodge.
Manchester Black wrote:
Yes in the DBZverse. Supes power comes from the sun.
You don’t know anything about Japanese culture do you?
Actually I do, the Japanese culture is one of my favorites.
They believe that every living thing has Ki and it emits from their body in the form of that persons Aura,
So Superman is japanese now?
didn’t you say something about Superman’s Aura?
Biological aura that comes from his kyrptonian origins.
The most common explanations for his invulnerability are Superman having a super-dense molecular structure and/or a supercharged bioelectric “aura” which acts as an invisible “force field” around his body within a few millimeters from his skin, and presumably within his body as well. The proximity of this field to his skin means that loose clothes, for example, may be burned off of him, while cloth that is close to his body is protected by the “aura;" This phenomenon is sometimes cited as Superman’s reason for wearing a skin-tight bodysuit. It is sometimes implied that he can unconsciously extend this field to an undetermined extent to protect a greater area, allowing him to carry huge objects within the Earth’s atmosphere and without gravity or inertia tearing them apart around his human-sized hands. | | | 28 Sep 2006 10:45 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
Not to sure, its been years since I saw DBZ but for some reason I remeber him doing it normal.
He used the Kaioken and a Kamehameha to destroy the star
Manchester Black wrote:
You so sure? He couldn’t teleport to the Kais planet and he was familiar with their ki.
When was this? I can’t remember
Manchester Black wrote:
You have to take into account Buu was a raging psychopath and was dangerous to everyone, of course Goku would do it then otherwise he likes a fair fight, hell he gave Cell a senzu been.
He did the same with Krillin while fighting Vegeta, all Vegeta wanted was to become immortal with the Dragonballs.
Manchester Black wrote:
The Death Ball was thrown directly at Nameks core, attacking the core of the planet destroys it. Now theres not a thought in my mind Goku can destroy a planet at the end of DBZ, but a solar system is pushing it.
I don’t think a Solar System is pushing it, Goku was immensly powerful at the end of Z. And sense you guys seem to think that GT is cannon, I’ll use it too, Goku at SSj4 has nearly limitless powers.
Manchester Black wrote:
If Cell had enough time to say “Oh Shit” when Goku teleported infront of him and hit him with a kamehama Supes has enough time to dodge.
Goku fired the Kamehameha after he teleported against Cell.
Manchester Black wrote:
So Superman is japanese now?
The Japanese probably created a Superman yes, but that wasn’t my point. The Japanese believe that all living things have Ki, and it’s on the verge of being proven true. So Superman will have Ki.
Manchester Black wrote:
Biological aura that comes from his kyrptonian origins.
The most common explanations for his invulnerability are Superman having a super-dense molecular structure and/or a supercharged bioelectric “aura” which acts as an invisible “force field” around his body within a few millimeters from his skin, and presumably within his body as well. The proximity of this field to his skin means that loose clothes, for example, may be burned off of him, while cloth that is close to his body is protected by the “aura;" This phenomenon is sometimes cited as Superman’s reason for wearing a skin-tight bodysuit. It is sometimes implied that he can unconsciously extend this field to an undetermined extent to protect a greater area, allowing him to carry huge objects within the Earth’s atmosphere and without gravity or inertia tearing them apart around his human-sized hands.
Dude it’s a comic book, there isn’t any long drawn out explanations like that. It’s just people trying to make sense out of something that seems impossible. Take Final Fantasy VII for example, at the end of the game you fight a boss who uses an attack called Supernova, the animation for the attack shows the Solar System being destroyed by this giant ball of fire. The funny thing is, the attack can be used several times in the fight and it shows the Solar System being destroyed every time. Fans like to say that the animation was an illusion, but there is no proof to prove it true.
| | | 28 Sep 2006 10:46 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | Also could you take a bit of time and add
at the end of all the stuff I type before typing yourself, it makes it easier to repsond too. Oh and delete the at the top of the post... I think that should work---
Last edited 28 Sep 2006 11:17 pm by Cid | | | 28 Sep 2006 10:56 pm |
Manchester Black Guest | Cid wrote:
Manchester Black wrote:
Not to sure, its been years since I saw DBZ but for some reason I remeber him doing it normal.
He used the Kaioken and a Kamehameha to destroy the star
I’ll take your word, since your not one to lie about things.
Manchester Black wrote:
You so sure? He couldn’t teleport to the Kais planet and he was familiar with their ki.
When was this? I can’t remember
When Buu was destroying the planet Goku put his fingers on his head to IT away but couldn’t. Kibitokai shows up and teleports him,Vegeta,Dende,Hercule, and Bee off of earth.
Manchester Black wrote:
You have to take into account Buu was a raging psychopath and was dangerous to everyone, of course Goku would do it then otherwise he likes a fair fight, hell he gave Cell a senzu been.
He did the same with Krillin while fighting Vegeta,
Goku was down and out, he was more concered with protecting earth.
all Vegeta wanted was to become immortal with the Dragonballs.
After murdering hundreds of people.
Manchester Black wrote:
The Death Ball was thrown directly at Nameks core, attacking the core of the planet destroys it. Now theres not a thought in my mind Goku can destroy a planet at the end of DBZ, but a solar system is pushing it.
I don’t think a Solar System is pushing it, Goku was immensly powerful at the end of Z.
Yes he was immensly powerful but theres no proof he can destroy a solar system. Infact Kid Buu fired his most powerful blast and all he did was destroy one planet.
And sense you guys seem to think that GT is cannon,
I know for a fact that GT is noncanon.
I’ll use it too, Goku at SSj4 has nearly limitless powers.
SSJ4 was pathetic. He could barely lift a city and his feats weren’t near as impressive as his previous forms.
Manchester Black wrote:
If Cell had enough time to say “Oh Shit” when Goku teleported infront of him and hit him with a kamehama Supes has enough time to dodge.
Goku fired the Kamehameha after he teleported against Cell.
Goku charged up his kamehama and teleported in front of Cell, Cell says Oh shit and Goku fires.
Manchester Black wrote:
So Superman is japanese now?
The Japanese probably created a Superman yes,
Maybe so.
but that wasn’t my point. The Japanese believe that all living things have Ki, and it’s on the verge of being proven true. So Superman will have Ki.
The question is will it be high or low.
Manchester Black wrote:
Dude it’s a comic book, there isn’t any long drawn out explanations like that.
Actually no its been shown in his comics. Infact I believe Superboy used his to protect a city once.
It’s just people trying to make sense out of something that seems impossible.
Originally it was just him being that tough, they later rewrote it to be an aura.
Take Final Fantasy VII for example, at the end of the game you fight a boss who uses an attack called Supernova, the animation for the attack shows the Solar System being destroyed by this giant ball of fire. The funny thing is, the attack can be used several times in the fight and it shows the Solar System being destroyed every time. Fans like to say that the animation was an illusion, but there is no proof to prove it true.
Yes however the difference is the creators said this not the fans. | | | 28 Sep 2006 10:58 pm |
Manchester Black Guest | Also could you take a bit of time and add at the end of all the stuff I type before typing yourself, it makes it easier to repsond too. Oh and delete the [Qote=Cid] at the top of the post... I think that should work
Sure I’ll try. | | | 28 Sep 2006 11:18 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | I don’t think it worked very well up there... meh I don’t have the time to go through it tonight...
Thanks for believing me about the Kaoiken thing, but just so you don’t have any doubts here’s a couple links to the actual episode.
Part one - http://youtube.com/watch?v=60ClMfxH7l8
Part Two - http://youtube.com/watch?v=bwBsYyHOBWM&mode=related&search=
I’m not too sure which part it is in though, sorry.
About the Instant transmission, it’s coming back to me now, did he say that he could only use the Instant Transmission if he had seen the place he was going to? So then again, if Superman moved around too much Goku might not be able to follow him.
And I thought you was saying GT was cannon? Or was that somebody else... I can’t remember, Gt isn’t cannon so I won’t use it either way.
And yeah, Goku charged up his Kamehameha and then fired after Cell cursed, I’m saying he fires the instant he teleports. Basically as soon as he reappears he fires the blast.
It doesn’t matter whether Superman’s Ki is high or low, a Human’s adverage is 10 Ki (so says DBZ) So we have to assume that if Supers doesn’t have a high Ki level that it will be simillar to a human’s Ki, and Goku could sense Bulma’s Ki out so he could still find superman... which may help with the whole Superman moving around a lot. If supes remains on earth Goku has seen earth, so he should be able to detect Supe’s Ki and teleport to that specific location.
And I didn’t know the creators said that about Supermam, the way you explained it I assumed it was fans thinking about it too much. ---
| | | 28 Sep 2006 11:27 pm |
Manchester Black Guest | Thanks for believing me about the Kaoiken thing, but just so you don’t have any doubts here’s a couple links to the actual episode.
No problem
Part one - http://youtube.com/watch?v=60ClMfxH7l8
Part Two - http://youtube.com/watch?v=bwBsYyHOBWM&mode=related&search=
Unfortunately I have a slow computer, I’ll have to check the links tomorow seeing as I’m about to go to bed.
I’m not too sure which part it is in though, sorry.
No worrys.
About the Instant transmission, it’s coming back to me now, did he say that he could only use the Instant Transmission if he had seen the place he was going to? So then again, if Superman moved around too much Goku might not be able to follow him.
Not to sure, I don’t think so though.
And I thought you was saying GT was cannon? Or was that somebody else... I can’t remember, Gt isn’t cannon so I won’t use it either way.
Nah that was Yusif and Cloud that refused to except that GT was non-canon.
And yeah, Goku charged up his Kamehameha and then fired after Cell cursed, I’m saying he fires the instant he teleports. Basically as soon as he reappears he fires the blast.
I see.
It doesn’t matter whether Superman’s Ki is high or low, a Human’s adverage is 10 Ki (so says DBZ) So we have to assume that if Supers doesn’t have a high Ki level that it will be simillar to a human’s Ki, and Goku could sense Bulma’s Ki out so he could still find superman... which may help with the whole Superman moving around a lot. If supes remains on earth Goku has seen earth, so he should be able to detect Supe’s Ki and teleport to that specific location.
Seeing as these twos fight would probably cause alot of destruction Supes would probably try to leave earth.
And I didn’t know the creators said that about Supermam, the way you explained it I assumed it was fans thinking about it too much.
Nah it was the creators. They decided that Superman himself with that much durability was overpowered and gave him the aura. Anyway I’m going in I’ll have to continue this tomorrow. | | | 28 Sep 2006 11:31 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | alright laters... to be honest I don’t even know why I’m bothering with this, I hate Goku and and not a fan of Superman... maybe I just like a good argument... ---
| | | 28 Sep 2006 11:32 pm |
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Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | Aaron McKay wrote:
I have no fucking idea what you people are talking about. I never got into DBZ
meh, it’s not that great, Naruto is better
| | | 29 Sep 2006 12:36 pm |
Regular Rep: 0  Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 176 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
Aaron McKay wrote:
I have no fucking idea what you people are talking about. I never got into DBZ
meh, it’s not that great, Naruto is better
Naruto’s gay compared to dbz but it IS better than most shows.
 | | | 29 Sep 2006 12:39 pm |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 176 OFFLINE | Aaron McKay wrote:
I have no fucking idea what you people are talking about. I never got into DBZ
Then leave...
| | | 29 Sep 2006 12:45 pm |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 176 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
Cid wrote:
Manchester Black wrote:
Not to sure, its been years since I saw DBZ but for some reason I remeber him doing it normal.
He used the Kaioken and a Kamehameha to destroy the star
I’ll take your word, since your not one to lie about things.
Good; take his word.
Manchester Black wrote:
You so sure? He couldn’t teleport to the Kais planet and he was familiar with their ki.
When was this? I can’t remember
When Buu was destroying the planet Goku put his fingers on his head to IT away but couldn’t. Kibitokai shows up and teleports him,Vegeta,Dende,Hercule, and Bee off of earth.
When the hell did that happen? Post a scan.
Manchester Black wrote:
You have to take into account Buu was a raging psychopath and was dangerous to everyone, of course Goku would do it then otherwise he likes a fair fight, hell he gave Cell a senzu been.
He did the same with Krillin while fighting Vegeta,
Goku was down and out, he was more concered with protecting earth.
Because he puts everyone before him.
all Vegeta wanted was to become immortal with the Dragonballs.
After murdering hundreds of people.
Which was way earlier in the series.
Manchester Black wrote:
The Death Ball was thrown directly at Nameks core, attacking the core of the planet destroys it. Now theres not a thought in my mind Goku can destroy a planet at the end of DBZ, but a solar system is pushing it.
I don’t think a Solar System is pushing it, Goku was immensly powerful at the end of Z.
Yes he was immensly powerful but theres no proof he can destroy a solar system. Infact Kid Buu fired his most powerful blast and all he did was destroy one planet.
He was only aiming for Earth; btw Warp Kamehameha is his most powerful blast.
And sense you guys seem to think that GT is cannon,
I know for a fact that GT is noncanon.
That aritcle yusif posted was credible.
I’ll use it too, Goku at SSj4 has nearly limitless powers.
SSJ4 was pathetic. He could barely lift a city and his feats weren’t near as impressive as his previous forms.
You’re really stupid. Then you go into feats again when he only has one writer. And he was much stronger than SSJ3-.
Manchester Black wrote:
If Cell had enough time to say “Oh Shit” when Goku teleported infront of him and hit him with a kamehama Supes has enough time to dodge.
Goku fired the Kamehameha after he teleported against Cell.
Goku charged up his kamehama and teleported in front of Cell, Cell says Oh shit and Goku fires.
You’re an idiot. He fires instantly after teleing and Cell’s like oh shit when he gets what Goku’s doing but then it’s to late.
Manchester Black wrote:
So Superman is japanese now?
The Japanese probably created a Superman yes,
Maybe so.
True.
but that wasn’t my point. The Japanese believe that all living things have Ki, and it’s on the verge of being proven true. So Superman will have Ki.
The question is will it be high or low.
High but lower than Goku’s...
Manchester Black wrote:
Dude it’s a comic book, there isn’t any long drawn out explanations like that.
Actually no its been shown in his comics. Infact I believe Superboy used his to protect a city once.
Wow... OMG a city...
It’s just people trying to make sense out of something that seems impossible.
Originally it was just him being that tough, they later rewrote it to be an aura.
What the hell are you talking about?
Take Final Fantasy VII for example, at the end of the game you fight a boss who uses an attack called Supernova, the animation for the attack shows the Solar System being destroyed by this giant ball of fire. The funny thing is, the attack can be used several times in the fight and it shows the Solar System being destroyed every time. Fans like to say that the animation was an illusion, but there is no proof to prove it true.
Yes however the difference is the creators said this not the fans.
The fans never said it; like I said I got an e-mail from Toriyama which explains everything up to SSJ13. --- | | | 29 Sep 2006 12:46 pm |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 176 OFFLINE | Meaning you prefer Supes over Goku? What a loser. Man, I hate fanboys.
Cid wrote:
alright laters... to be honest I don’t even know why I’m bothering with this, I hate Goku and and not a fan of Superman... maybe I just like a good argument...
| | | 29 Sep 2006 12:48 pm |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 176 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
Thanks for believing me about the Kaoiken thing, but just so you don’t have any doubts here’s a couple links to the actual episode.
No problem
Lol?
Part one - http://youtube.com/watch?v=60ClMfxH7l8
Part Two - http://youtube.com/watch?v=bwBsYyHOBWM&mode=related&search=
Unfortunately I have a slow computer, I’ll have to check the links tomorow seeing as I’m about to go to bed.
Lmao.
I’m not too sure which part it is in though, sorry.
No worrys.
Kool.
About the Instant transmission, it’s coming back to me now, did he say that he could only use the Instant Transmission if he had seen the place he was going to? So then again, if Superman moved around too much Goku might not be able to follow him.
Not to sure, I don’t think so though.
Yeah, but Goku is too experienced and powerful to be tricked like that.
And I thought you was saying GT was cannon? Or was that somebody else... I can’t remember, Gt isn’t cannon so I won’t use it either way.
Nah that was Yusif and Cloud that refused to except that GT was non-canon.
The valadity of that article was proved to be true.
And yeah, Goku charged up his Kamehameha and then fired after Cell cursed, I’m saying he fires the instant he teleports. Basically as soon as he reappears he fires the blast.
I see.
Good.
It doesn’t matter whether Superman’s Ki is high or low, a Human’s adverage is 10 Ki (so says DBZ) So we have to assume that if Supers doesn’t have a high Ki level that it will be simillar to a human’s Ki, and Goku could sense Bulma’s Ki out so he could still find superman... which may help with the whole Superman moving around a lot. If supes remains on earth Goku has seen earth, so he should be able to detect Supe’s Ki and teleport to that specific location.
Seeing as these twos fight would probably cause alot of destruction Supes would probably try to leave earth.
As would Goku. Actually he wouldn’t fight on Earth in the first place. Heh.
And I didn’t know the creators said that about Supermam, the way you explained it I assumed it was fans thinking about it too much.
Nah it was the creators. They decided that Superman himself with that much durability was overpowered and gave him the aura. Anyway I’m going in I’ll have to continue this tomorrow.
Sweet have fun.---
| | | 29 Sep 2006 12:53 pm |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 176 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
Cid wrote:
Where does it say that Superman was thought to be invincible?
Look at his profile.
Didn’t Doomsday Kill Superman... or was it Galaticus... Damnit give me a minute!
Yeah it was Doomsday, so yeah Superman is anything but invincible.
Doomsday was only able to do that because he bypasses his aura.
Goku was on the verge of being invincible by the End of DBZ,
Far,far from true. Goku could still be hurt as revealed during his fight with Uub.
not to mention that Goku is faster than Superman
Goku doesn’t move close to lightspeed without IT.
and is probably stonger too.
Goku couldn’t lift 40 tons in his base form. Superman lifts 40 billion.
So if Goku could own Superman then he could own Superboy hands down.
Superboy is a teenage Pre-Crisis Supes, the same Supes who sneezed away a solar system.
End of GT Goku is one who has near limitless power which is easily stronger than being able to sneeze away a galaxy. And if you wanna use All Star Pre-crisis Supes Prime go ahead cuz SSJ13 Goku has INFINITE power and would pwn even him.
| | | 29 Sep 2006 12:54 pm |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 176 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
Cid wrote:
Where does it say that Superman was thought to be invincible?
Look at his profile.
Didn’t Doomsday Kill Superman... or was it Galaticus... Damnit give me a minute!
Yeah it was Doomsday, so yeah Superman is anything but invincible.
Doomsday was only able to do that because he bypasses his aura.
Goku was on the verge of being invincible by the End of DBZ,
Far,far from true. Goku could still be hurt as revealed during his fight with Uub.
not to mention that Goku is faster than Superman
Goku doesn’t move close to lightspeed without IT.
and is probably stonger too.
Goku couldn’t lift 40 tons in his base form. Superman lifts 40 billion.
So if Goku could own Superman then he could own Superboy hands down.
Superboy is a teenage Pre-Crisis Supes, the same Supes who sneezed away a solar system.
Wow meet Goku @ the end of GT who could think a universe out of existence note I said A as there are more. Use the strongest form of Supes and I’ll easily counter w/ SSJ13 case closed.
| | | 29 Sep 2006 01:51 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | What the hell is SSJ13? That was never in any of the TV Shows, Mangas, or anything else. Furthmore if you do a search on google for it you come up with nothing. There is no such thing as a SSJ13. ---
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