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17 Oct 2006 06:48 pm
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"WASHINGTON (AP) — Some of the most notorious names in the war on terror are headed toward prosecution after President Bush signed a law Tuesday authorizing military trials of terrorism suspects.

The legislation also eliminates some of the rights defendants are usually guaranteed under U.S. law, and it authorizes continued harsh interrogations of terror suspects, a provision Bush had said was vital.

Imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and awaiting trial are Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the accused mastermind of the September 11 attacks, Ramzi Binalshibh, an alleged would-be 9/11 hijacker, and Abu Zubaydah, who was believed to be a link between Osama bin Laden and many al Qaeda cells.

“With the bill I’m about to sign, the men our intelligence officials believe orchestrated the murder of nearly 3,000 innocent people will face justice," Bush said in a White House ceremony. (Watch Bush explain how this bill will protect the U.S. — 2:53 )

The Pentagon expects to begin pre-trial motions early next year and to begin the actual trials in the summer.

The Supreme Court ruled in June that trying detainees in military tribunals violated U.S. and international law, so Bush urged Congress to change the law during a speech on September 6 in the White House East Room attended by families of the Sept. 11, 2001, victims. He also insisted that the law authorize CIA agents to use tough — yet unspecified — methods to interrogate suspected terrorists.

Six weeks later, after a highly publicized dispute with key Republicans over the terms of the bill, Bush signed the new law “in memory of the victims of September 11."

“It is a rare occasion when a president can sign a bill he knows will save American lives," Bush said. “I have that privilege this morning."

Civil libertarians and leading Democrats decried the law as a violation of American values. The American Civil Liberties Union said it was “one of the worst civil liberties measures ever enacted in American history." Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin said, “We will look back on this day as a stain on our nation’s history."

“It allows the government to seize individuals on American soil and detain them indefinitely with no opportunity to challenge their detention in court," Feingold said. “And the new law would permit an individual to be convicted on the basis of coerced testimony and even allow someone convicted under these rules to be put to death."

The legislation, which sets the rules for court proceedings, applies to those selected by the military for prosecution and leaves mostly unaffected the majority of the 14,000 prisoners in U.S. custody, most of whom are in Iraq.

It does apply to 14 suspects who were secretly questioned by the CIA overseas and recently moved to the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/17/bush.terrorism.ap/index.html

well what does everyone think about this new bill...
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17 Oct 2006 07:10 pm
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Bush signs new terror bill, good
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17 Oct 2006 07:11 pm
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Bush does away with human rights just as he always wanted. Not good.
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17 Oct 2006 07:18 pm
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Etain wrote: Bush does away with human rights just as he always wanted. Not good.


Democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendement, NOT good.

As for this new bill I have to read the entire thing and swee how it works out before I can make a decision because it seems both bad and good.
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17 Oct 2006 07:23 pm
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hmm... reminds me of lincoln....
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17 Oct 2006 07:30 pm
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kev360 wrote: hmm... reminds me of lincoln....


How so?
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17 Oct 2006 07:37 pm
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bush is the bidest fucking retard he should be more concerned with shuting down Guantanamo bay then trialing some people who had there balls filled with 1000 volts of electricity
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down with bush..
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21 wrote:
Etain wrote: Bush does away with human rights just as he always wanted. Not good.


Democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendement, NOT good.

As for this new bill I have to read the entire thing and swee how it works out before I can make a decision because it seems both bad and good.


first... how the hell did you come up with the idea that democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment... show me some proof of that...

and second... the 2nd amendment isn’t really that good, especially nowadays... unless you like everyone carrying around guns...
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17 Oct 2006 07:44 pm
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dark99 wrote:
21 wrote:
Etain wrote: Bush does away with human rights just as he always wanted. Not good.


Democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendement, NOT good.

As for this new bill I have to read the entire thing and swee how it works out before I can make a decision because it seems both bad and good.


first... how the hell did you come up with the idea that democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment... show me some proof of that...

and second... the 2nd amendment isn’t really that good, especially nowadays... unless you like everyone carrying around guns...


3rd most people don’t realize the 2nd amendment was actually put in place to refer to the militia. Remember that before the American Revolution the Brits tried to take away ammunition...hence why that amendment was put in. Historically speaking, it didn’t have anything to do with civilians being gun-happy wink
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17 Oct 2006 07:46 pm
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dark99 wrote:
21 wrote:
Etain wrote: Bush does away with human rights just as he always wanted. Not good.


Democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendement, NOT good.

As for this new bill I have to read the entire thing and swee how it works out before I can make a decision because it seems both bad and good.


first... how the hell did you come up with the idea that democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment... show me some proof of that...

and second... the 2nd amendment isn’t really that good, especially nowadays... unless you like everyone carrying around guns...


You know without the 2nd ammendment we have NO right to defend ourselves.

Also, we cannot hunt and most people keep the guns at home.

To find your proof just look at what you just said about the 2nd ammendment. Anyways, a while back there was sudden anti-second ammendment thing going around and democrats going crazy about it.
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17 Oct 2006 07:47 pm
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Etain wrote:
dark99 wrote:
21 wrote:
Etain wrote: Bush does away with human rights just as he always wanted. Not good.


Democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendement, NOT good.

As for this new bill I have to read the entire thing and swee how it works out before I can make a decision because it seems both bad and good.


first... how the hell did you come up with the idea that democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment... show me some proof of that...

and second... the 2nd amendment isn’t really that good, especially nowadays... unless you like everyone carrying around guns...


3rd most people don’t realize the 2nd amendment was actually put in place to refer to the militia. Remember that before the American Revolution the Brits tried to take away ammunition...hence why that amendment was put in. Historically speaking, it didn’t have anything to do with civilians being gun-happy wink


4th the militia can be civilians but things change over time. It is also interpreted as the right to defend yourself.
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21 wrote:
kev360 wrote: hmm... reminds me of lincoln....


How so?

sry about how long this took, was doing other things.

becouse lincoln got rid of some right (something about not needing evedence to imprison someone, or something along those lines.)
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17 Oct 2006 07:52 pm
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kev360 wrote:
21 wrote:
kev360 wrote: hmm... reminds me of lincoln....


How so?

sry about how long this took, was doing other things.

becouse lincoln got rid of some right (something about not needing evedence to imprison someone, or something along those lines.)


I never heard of Lincoln doing that the but I have heard of Bush doing that, that’s bad.
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17 Oct 2006 07:54 pm
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21 wrote:
Etain wrote:
dark99 wrote:
21 wrote:
Etain wrote: Bush does away with human rights just as he always wanted. Not good.


Democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendement, NOT good.

As for this new bill I have to read the entire thing and swee how it works out before I can make a decision because it seems both bad and good.


first... how the hell did you come up with the idea that democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment... show me some proof of that...

and second... the 2nd amendment isn’t really that good, especially nowadays... unless you like everyone carrying around guns...


3rd most people don’t realize the 2nd amendment was actually put in place to refer to the militia. Remember that before the American Revolution the Brits tried to take away ammunition...hence why that amendment was put in. Historically speaking, it didn’t have anything to do with civilians being gun-happy wink


4th the militia can be civilians but things change over time. It is also interpreted as the right to defend yourself.


Here’s the 2nd Ammenment. Read it and weep.

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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21 wrote:
kev360 wrote:
21 wrote:
kev360 wrote: hmm... reminds me of lincoln....


How so?

sry about how long this took, was doing other things.

becouse lincoln got rid of some right (something about not needing evedence to imprison someone, or something along those lines.)


I never heard of Lincoln doing that the but I have heard of Bush doing that, that’s bad.

ya, i dont do polotics, so i will stay out of this.

BUT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Civil_liberties_suspended

“During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money without congressional authorization, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial."
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kev360 wrote:
21 wrote:
kev360 wrote:
21 wrote:
kev360 wrote: hmm... reminds me of lincoln....


How so?

sry about how long this took, was doing other things.

becouse lincoln got rid of some right (something about not needing evedence to imprison someone, or something along those lines.)


I never heard of Lincoln doing that the but I have heard of Bush doing that, that’s bad.

ya, i dont do polotics, so i will stay out of this.

BUT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Civil_liberties_suspended

“During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money without congressional authorization, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial.“


If that’s true then that’s the 1st bad thing I’ve ever heard about him but I still think he was one of the best presidents.
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17 Oct 2006 07:58 pm
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the21gamer wrote:
21 wrote:
Etain wrote:
dark99 wrote:
21 wrote:
Etain wrote: Bush does away with human rights just as he always wanted. Not good.


Democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendement, NOT good.

As for this new bill I have to read the entire thing and swee how it works out before I can make a decision because it seems both bad and good.


first... how the hell did you come up with the idea that democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment... show me some proof of that...

and second... the 2nd amendment isn’t really that good, especially nowadays... unless you like everyone carrying around guns...


3rd most people don’t realize the 2nd amendment was actually put in place to refer to the militia. Remember that before the American Revolution the Brits tried to take away ammunition...hence why that amendment was put in. Historically speaking, it didn’t have anything to do with civilians being gun-happy wink


4th the militia can be civilians but things change over time. It is also interpreted as the right to defend yourself.


Here’s the 2nd Ammenment. Read it and weep.

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Re-read what you just posted so you can understand the context wink
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the21gamer wrote:
kev360 wrote:
21 wrote:
kev360 wrote:
21 wrote:
kev360 wrote: hmm... reminds me of lincoln....


How so?

sry about how long this took, was doing other things.

becouse lincoln got rid of some right (something about not needing evedence to imprison someone, or something along those lines.)


I never heard of Lincoln doing that the but I have heard of Bush doing that, that’s bad.

ya, i dont do polotics, so i will stay out of this.

BUT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Civil_liberties_suspended

“During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money without congressional authorization, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial.“


If that’s true then that’s the 1st bad thing I’ve ever heard about him but I still think he was one of the best presidents.

same. im just saying, its an interesting fact. the presedent thats hailed as one of the best in american history did that.
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17 Oct 2006 08:01 pm
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Etain wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
21 wrote:
Etain wrote:
dark99 wrote:
21 wrote:
Etain wrote: Bush does away with human rights just as he always wanted. Not good.


Democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendement, NOT good.

As for this new bill I have to read the entire thing and swee how it works out before I can make a decision because it seems both bad and good.


first... how the hell did you come up with the idea that democrats want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment... show me some proof of that...

and second... the 2nd amendment isn’t really that good, especially nowadays... unless you like everyone carrying around guns...


3rd most people don’t realize the 2nd amendment was actually put in place to refer to the militia. Remember that before the American Revolution the Brits tried to take away ammunition...hence why that amendment was put in. Historically speaking, it didn’t have anything to do with civilians being gun-happy wink


4th the militia can be civilians but things change over time. It is also interpreted as the right to defend yourself.


Here’s the 2nd Ammenment. Read it and weep.

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Re-read what you just posted so you can understand the context wink


I see the part where it’s says to maintain a mitlita but you missed thpart where it says our rights to keep bear arms shall not be infringed.

So we don’t need to have a militia to do that and if you wanna be that way I’ll get my friends and form my own militia.
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