| 20 Dec 2006 11:50 am |
newble buggered Guest | What can you really believe in these days. There are 3 books, or are there. The Torah, wrote in Hebrew, then translated and called the Old Testament. Hence 2 books. Does what is wrote in Hebrew directly translate?. The New Testiment, What is this all about, Jesus the Messiah, Then he was killed and rose again and dissa peared to return again to battle with the devil. What was this wrote in cos ya can bet your life it was not English. Who wrote it, John?, Seth?, Luke?, Peter? cum on these arnt Isreally names.
The translations are bullshit, love, hope, The only thing that is real is that your born, have a shit life, fuck about, have children or bring up someone elses, if you been dupped, then die then who knows, but ya can guarrentee if you go to hell, you gonna see a lot of Muslims, Jews and Christians there, oh and of course me and the jackson cos I gonna kill her and myself before we can correct our ways. If you don’t believe in anything believe this, cos it a promise. I gonna get the hipster, cos he shouts all the tyme about nothing worth hearing. Fucking ICI, who cares, his Hip, who cares
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 8 Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 1,579 OFFLINE | Joseph, was actually Josephus, a Greek.
The book of John was written 60-80 years after Jesus died. That was the first book of the Gospels. Most of the other Gospels were written anywhere from 75 to 150 years after the believed date of Jesus' death.
The new testament was written and added to the Torah by greeks, when they took over europe. It was the Roman way. Take over by absorbing a culture into their own. They did the same thing with Egyptian beliefs, via Cleopatra, a greek princess. Then the Celts, when Patricus, or St Patrick convinced the druids it would be safer to unite with the greeks, than to be wiped away.
“Justin, and whoever recast the Gospel of John to include the Prologue, with its hymn equating the Logos {word of God, also known as Christ} with Jesus, came to believe that the intermediary Word, the spiritual Son of God, had been incarnated in a human figure as recounted in the Gospels.
But is this true of the apologists as a whole? The amazing fact is, that of the five or six major apologists up to the year 180 (after that, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria and Origen are all firmly anchored in Gospel tradition), none, with the exception of Justin, introduces an historical Jesus into their defences of Christianity to the pagans."
only 1 of Jesus' “disciples” actually lived at the time Jesus was supposed to. So how could 12 disciples have sat at a last supper, if almost all weren’t alive?
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~ Vi Veri ~ Rep: 66Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,659 OFFLINE | Wasn’t Christianity started in Rome... many years after Jesus died?
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| | | 20 Dec 2006 12:45 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 8Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 1,579 OFFLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
Wasn’t Christianity started in Rome... many years after Jesus died?
Yeah, it was started by romans who took alot of their own stories, and turned them into Jesus. The Greeks had their pantheon of Gods, but they would add more and toss away others, as they took over each different kingdom, country or population.
They invented “Saints”, which were originally just known as “Heroes” so that they could usurp religions easier. “NoNoNo your Gods aren’t God, I mean they’re POWERFUL, but there’s only ONE God, those others you Call Gods? They’re really saints! So let us think for you, protect you, and teach you.. and you give us taxes.. Oh and here’s a bible for you to study. Let us know if anyone tells you otherwise, so we can kill them in God’s name"
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"The Problem with the English language is that it is as pure as a crib-house whore. it has chased other languages down dark alley-ways, clubbed them unconscious and rifled their pockets for new vocabulary."Last edited 20 Dec 2006 12:46 pm by James R. LeClair | | | 20 Dec 2006 12:49 pm |
~ Vi Veri ~ Rep: 66Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,659 OFFLINE | Wasn’t the decision for these 'stories' to either be kept or thrown away, put into the origional Bible?
On top of that, this happened at a council or sorts.
But the thing is, Jesus was a real man, how can one denounce all of those miricles they say he has done, whether they be true or not?
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| | | 20 Dec 2006 01:11 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 8Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 1,579 OFFLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
Wasn’t the decision for these 'stories' to either be kept or thrown away, put into the origional Bible?
On top of that, this happened at a council or sorts.
But the thing is, Jesus was a real man, how can one denounce all of those miricles they say he has done, whether they be true or not?
Jesus was a real man according to only christians. remember that the Torah, or Jewish bible, is the christian old testament. The Jews believe that a saviour will come, but hasn’t yet. Which is why they refuse to celebrate Christmas, because it is a pagan holiday celebrating the winter solstice, on the 21st, but 4 days later to hide it’s origins.
http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/jhcjp.htm
how can the Torah be right enough to become the old testament, yet only christians believe that jesus lived? Christianity being written by Greeks, who later made their own offshoot of Catholicism, to convert the die hard Roman pagans who refused to give up Heroes/Saints
Think of it this way. we are told from birth that Santa exists, but eventually we learn that he doesn’t. But what if... what if nobody knew the truth, therefore nobody was around to say “Naw Santa isn’t real, it’s just a story”?
Muslims and Jews were known as believers of God. When Christians started to pop up, The Muslims and Jews, accepted them as “people of the Book” or believers in God and the old Testament. Christians were never/rarely killed in Muslim, or Judaic lands because of this. Until Christians started holy wars against them for not believing in THEIR bible. But the only difference between them was that the Christian bible includes Jesus, and the epistles.
What if all those people who have been killed throughout thousands of years, because they don’t believe in Christ and Christianity... were killed over a story?
The history of Rome is built on conquering, and they taught all those who believe in the Christianity to “fight for your beliefs” which unfortunately is still done today, by Christians.
But what if the people being killed are the true believers, and Christians are fighting for a story they believe, but is only BASED on fact?
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"The Problem with the English language is that it is as pure as a crib-house whore. it has chased other languages down dark alley-ways, clubbed them unconscious and rifled their pockets for new vocabulary."Last edited 20 Dec 2006 01:13 pm by James R. LeClair | | | 20 Dec 2006 01:27 pm |
The drummer Rep: 18 Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 14,615 OFFLINE | Did you know Jesus was never born in December and it says no where in the Bible about that either..........
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~ Vi Veri ~ Rep: 66Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,659 OFFLINE | You cannot tell which religion is real, or if there is even a God.
The fact that millions have died because of others beliefs is just insane!
The fact that people can believe in something that there is no proof of and no conclusive evidence of is equally insane when you think about.
Like you said about the Santa Clause thing, if you were raised as a baby being told that Witchs lived on the moon, and no one ever told you other-wise, then you would believe in it as much if not greater then what people have in the faith of God himself.
But what some people seem to forget is that religion brings hope as well, whether they believe it or not.
I myself am Christian, that was how i was raised, and i don’t see any reason to change because i am perfectly fine where i am.
Some religions may have been made as a conspiricy, there is evidence that the Church created Christianity for there own reasons, not truly for the sake of others.
But now, in the twentieth century, religion is on a new path, religion is here to guide those who may need help, no matter what of their race, sex, or religion.
Anyways, sorry for the little ramble, plz post back soon, this is an interesting topic.
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| | | 20 Dec 2006 01:36 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 8Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 1,579 OFFLINE | Aaron McKay wrote:
Did you know Jesus was never born in December and it says no where in the Bible about that either..........
yep
it’s believed, if he existed, that he would have been born in february, or june. Based on planetary placements, according to the allignments that *are* mentioned.
It’s like Satan, or the Devil. Neither are mentioned anywhere in the Bible, other than “The Beast” but when Roman Catholics took over pagan europe they turned Cernunos, or Green Man, into Satan.
Green Man is the Pagan God of nature, animal instinct, and sexuality. He has horns, like an animal, and was turned into the Devil. Though Cernunos is FAR from evil in any way, as he was the father God of the celtic pantheon.
I mentioned in another thread that if Green Man is the devil then that means Robin Hood is, because Robin Hood is a story of the Green Man robbing the rich, to give to the poor. Basically Robin Hood is the Pagan Jesus, in a way. Helping the poor and sick, while leading the people to Avalon. Celtic heaven
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~ Vi Veri ~ Rep: 66Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,659 OFFLINE | Aaron McKay wrote:
Did you know Jesus was never born in December and it says no where in the Bible about that either..........
Yeah.
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| | | 20 Dec 2006 01:41 pm |
The drummer Rep: 18Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 14,615 OFFLINE | James R. LeClair wrote:
Aaron McKay wrote:
Did you know Jesus was never born in December and it says no where in the Bible about that either..........
yep
it’s believed, if he existed, that he would have been born in february, or june. Based on planetary placements, according to the allignments that *are* mentioned.
It’s like Satan, or the Devil. Neither are mentioned anywhere in the Bible, other than “The Beast” but when Roman Catholics took over pagan europe they turned Cernunos, or Green Man, into Satan.
Green Man is the Pagan God of nature, animal instinct, and sexuality. He has horns, like an animal, and was turned into the Devil. Though Cernunos is FAR from evil in any way, as he was the father God of the celtic pantheon.
I mentioned in another thread that if Green Man is the devil then that means Robin Hood is, because Robin Hood is a story of the Green Man robbing the rich, to give to the poor. Basically Robin Hood is the Pagan Jesus, in a way. Helping the poor and sick, while leading the people to Avalon. Celtic heaven
True but Lucifer is mentioned and one can say he is the devil. He is the leader of the fallen Angels
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~ Vi Veri ~ Rep: 66Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,659 OFFLINE | What about all the evidence in religist history.
Like the Ark of the Covenant, it was not only mention in Christian stories, but many other religions that have had almost no known ties to Christianity?
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| | | 20 Dec 2006 01:51 pm |
The drummer Rep: 18Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 14,615 OFFLINE | ......^^^^^^^^^^^
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 8Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 1,579 OFFLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
You cannot tell which religion is real, or if there is even a God.
The fact that millions have died because of others beliefs is just insane!
The fact that people can believe in something that there is no proof of and no conclusive evidence of is equally insane when you think about.
Like you said about the Santa Clause thing, if you were raised as a baby being told that Witchs lived on the moon, and no one ever told you other-wise, then you would believe in it as much if not greater then what people have in the faith of God himself.
But what some people seem to forget is that religion brings hope as well, whether they believe it or not.
I myself am Christian, that was how i was raised, and i don’t see any reason to change because i am perfectly fine where i am.
Some religions may have been made as a conspiricy, there is evidence that the Church created Christianity for there own reasons, not truly for the sake of others.
But now, in the twentieth century, religion is on a new path, religion is here to guide those who may need help, no matter what of their race, sex, or religion.
Anyways, sorry for the little ramble, plz post back soon, this is an interesting topic.
preach on brother 
The newest of any religion can’t be right, but there is so much truth in between the twisted untruth, that people need to read it, or learn of it.
I was born Roman Catholic, but rarely went to church until 10 or 11, when I started going to the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints. When I was a teenager I started learning the pagan path, and even practiced Druidry. Eventually I started to piece together the stories that were similar, and started to learn the roots to the religions, and that almost all the worldwide religions are based off a root source. I hope to eventually find that source.
I was born of Synchronicity, and I’m about to post something I said, to Etain, that I never would
My mother had me when she was 15, and she claimed that she was a virgin, until she started showing. My Mother is Mary.
Because she was so young, her stepfather, my grandfather adopted and raised me. He was a carpenter and electrician, named Joseph.
I’m not trying to “claim” anything, not trying to say “I’M HIM” or something stupid.... but the coincidences have scared me, since I realized them last year. It never even dawned on me before that, and now it just scares the hell out of me.
My life has been about learning, and teaching. Understanding how and why things are the way they are, and doing my best to guide people.
I’m far from Him, but maybe more people need to follow his path.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 8Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 1,579 OFFLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
What about all the evidence in religist history.
Like the Ark of the Covenant, it was not only mention in Christian stories, but many other religions that have had almost no known ties to Christianity?
I believe there is a root religion, older than all the others, that as people spread throughout the world, they told those stories, and those stories eventually became what we know now as all the religions of the world.
All religions are based on observation. The cycles of the wind and water, the sky and stars. So if two civilazations observe the same things, then their religions will reflect similar stories.
Different names and places, but the same root
many old testament stories were found to be carved on the walls of the Sumerien caves. The story of Noah and the Ark was carved on those walls, and the carvings date back atleast 30-50,000 years. Who knows if those carvings were the origin, or just them repeating what THEY were told
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 8Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 1,579 OFFLINE | Aaron McKay wrote:
James R. LeClair wrote:
Aaron McKay wrote:
Did you know Jesus was never born in December and it says no where in the Bible about that either..........
yep
it’s believed, if he existed, that he would have been born in february, or june. Based on planetary placements, according to the allignments that *are* mentioned.
It’s like Satan, or the Devil. Neither are mentioned anywhere in the Bible, other than “The Beast” but when Roman Catholics took over pagan europe they turned Cernunos, or Green Man, into Satan.
Green Man is the Pagan God of nature, animal instinct, and sexuality. He has horns, like an animal, and was turned into the Devil. Though Cernunos is FAR from evil in any way, as he was the father God of the celtic pantheon.
I mentioned in another thread that if Green Man is the devil then that means Robin Hood is, because Robin Hood is a story of the Green Man robbing the rich, to give to the poor. Basically Robin Hood is the Pagan Jesus, in a way. Helping the poor and sick, while leading the people to Avalon. Celtic heaven
True but Lucifer is mentioned and one can say he is the devil. He is the leader of the fallen Angels
Lucifer was the name of the morning star, the morning star was renamed by the Greeks to Venus. Even before being renamed it was well known that Lucifer, or Venus, was a planet of love and sexuality
what they didn’t know is that eventually man would measure the planets and stars. The distance from the sun to the earth is known as 1AU, AU being Astronomical Units. so that any planet farther, like say mars, is at 3.something AU {don’t feel like looking through my notes}. any planet closer to the sun, than us is at a fractional AU.. Venus, or Lucifer is *currently* at 0.668 AU, but thousands of years ago, it was at 0.666 AU
6 is the number of sexuality. So they turned sex, into an evil thing, by dubbing Venus/Love to Lucifer/Evil
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~ Vi Veri ~ Rep: 66Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,659 OFFLINE | James R. LeClair - You seem to be a very good thinker, there are few like you on the internet.
There is a theory that all religion is based off of one main religion, but there is still evidence, it seems you are not trying to actually disprove anything, but rather have a simple online conversation.
But you cannot deny the huge amounts of evidence, am i right?
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| | | 20 Dec 2006 02:21 pm |
The drummer Rep: 18Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 14,615 OFFLINE | James R. LeClair wrote:
Aaron McKay wrote:
James R. LeClair wrote:
Aaron McKay wrote:
Did you know Jesus was never born in December and it says no where in the Bible about that either..........
yep
it’s believed, if he existed, that he would have been born in february, or june. Based on planetary placements, according to the allignments that *are* mentioned.
Cool. But I mean Luciifer is mentiond in the bible.
It’s like Satan, or the Devil. Neither are mentioned anywhere in the Bible, other than “The Beast” but when Roman Catholics took over pagan europe they turned Cernunos, or Green Man, into Satan.
Green Man is the Pagan God of nature, animal instinct, and sexuality. He has horns, like an animal, and was turned into the Devil. Though Cernunos is FAR from evil in any way, as he was the father God of the celtic pantheon.
I mentioned in another thread that if Green Man is the devil then that means Robin Hood is, because Robin Hood is a story of the Green Man robbing the rich, to give to the poor. Basically Robin Hood is the Pagan Jesus, in a way. Helping the poor and sick, while leading the people to Avalon. Celtic heaven
True but Lucifer is mentioned and one can say he is the devil. He is the leader of the fallen Angels
Lucifer was the name of the morning star, the morning star was renamed by the Greeks to Venus. Even before being renamed it was well known that Lucifer, or Venus, was a planet of love and sexuality
what they didn’t know is that eventually man would measure the planets and stars. The distance from the sun to the earth is known as 1AU, AU being Astronomical Units. so that any planet farther, like say mars, is at 3.something AU {don’t feel like looking through my notes}. any planet closer to the sun, than us is at a fractional AU.. Venus, or Lucifer is *currently* at 0.668 AU, but thousands of years ago, it was at 0.666 AU
6 is the number of sexuality. So they turned sex, into an evil thing, by dubbing Venus/Love to Lucifer/Evil
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