| 21 Jan 2007 06:20 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25  Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,039 OFFLINE | First the worst,second the best,third the....was it golden bird or blue bird?
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King of MVC Rep: 26 Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,489 OFFLINE | How about lets just setting forme being amazing.
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THE KING HAS RETURNED! | | | 22 Jan 2007 03:16 am |
Naru Maton Guest | lol kk lets see Goku SSJ 4 and Mystic Gohan would win hands down.
1. Thors hammer is crafted by the gods and is a formidble weapon said to be unriveld in power (like the Z sword), Thors hammer is also amazingly heavy and has an inchantment that says it cant be lifted by anyone (the Z Sword was ment to only be lifted by the Kies the lords of the universe and cannot be lifted at all by anyone even Goku and Gohan without strain) and also Thors hammer is ment to be unriveld in strenth the ultimate weapon and so forth (so is the Z Sword).
2. after Gohans training he is able to fling the Z Sword round like its nothing (in base form) and shows an unatural skill after training with it for one day, after his unlocked power in Mystic his strenth would be peek and so the Z sword would be none existent as would Thors Hammer.
3. Mystic Gohan fights with what is discribed as other worldly skill as in unreal and beyond normal conception, and also shears Goku and Piccolos (2 of the greatest fighters in his universes) fighting styles in acordance to his own.
4. his intelligence is without question aceing through school and is an A star student with the smarts to become a great scholar.
5. Goku is an almost unbeatable fighter in terms of skill in other world he fought and was stronger than fighters who had trained for thousands of years, includeing Olibu who sheared amazing resemblance to Hercules who is also an equal combatent to Thor.
6. after 7 years of intence training Goku reaches the third level easly becomeing the strongest fighter in other world and is able to maintain level three constantly untill comeing back to life, and fights Kid Buu a being able to aradicate worlds like men do bugs.
7. after this he trains for ten years to the point fighting Kid Buu is childs play in normal form, makeing him a good match for Mystic mabe?
then another ten years on top of that and he can still fight Uub 1 on 1 in normal form.
8. then take into account a hell of alot of fighting on that and 4 levels up and you have SSJ 4 Goku the single strongest entity in all DBZ GT history and by alot.
9. now then feats Brolly is able to alimanate an entire galaxy in under 3 seconds a power witch both Mysic and SSJ 4 out shine by leeps and bounds, Cooler states he would simply wipe out earths sun killing all life in the galaxy a power that is less than even an SSJ, in the Janimba movie Gohan kills Freiza in one punch in normal form (a being that owned the most part of the universe and a planet destroyer to boot).
10. Roshi can wipe out a moon in Dragon Ball Goku about 35 years or more later in normal form is immencely more powerful by at least 1000 times then add 4 more tranceformations that time his power by 50 or more then ten fold the power of his ultimate blast (Kamehamaha) and try to imagine the differance???
11. also picture Gohan a Boy who defeated Cell a being that was apparently perfect with all the greatest fighters apart of him, then Cell gets pawned and destroyed by that child.
then give him a power boost that makes a normal man a super human and a normal cat a Lion then imagine wot it douse for a Saiyan (one witch is potentioly stronger than his father and is a half Saiyan a naturaly stronger breed) and takes him way beyond his limets.
id say this Super Saiyan duo have a major advantage over any super hero in raw skill and power i leave this in your hands boyzzz.
| | | 22 Jan 2007 04:47 pm |
bonjour Rep: 3 Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 8,307 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
First the worst,second the best,third the....was it golden bird or blue bird?
I learned it hairy chest
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Naru Maton Guest | lol your mad, i mean what are you talking about???
| | | 22 Jan 2007 06:16 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,039 OFFLINE | Naru Maton wrote:
lol kk lets see Goku SSJ 4 and Mystic Gohan would win hands down.
Odinforce Thor stops time,Superman does the rest.
Naru Maton wrote:
1. Thors hammer is crafted by the gods and is a formidble weapon said to be unriveld in power (like the Z sword), Thors hammer is also amazingly heavy and has an inchantment that says it cant be lifted by anyone (the Z Sword was ment to only be lifted by the Kies the lords of the universe and cannot be lifted at all by anyone even Goku and Gohan without strain) and also Thors hammer is ment to be unriveld in strenth the ultimate weapon and so forth (so is the Z Sword).
The thing is we can’t compare legendary weapons from DBZ to legendary weapons from Marvel.The Z sword hardly showed us anything impressive,Mjolnir on the other hand has and can only be lifted by those it sees worthy.
Naru Maton wrote:
2. after Gohans training he is able to fling the Z Sword round like its nothing (in base form) and shows an unatural skill after training with it for one day, after his unlocked power in Mystic his strenth would be peek and so the Z sword would be none existent as would Thors Hammer.
Look above.
Naru Maton wrote:
3. Mystic Gohan fights with what is discribed as other worldly skill as in unreal and beyond normal conception, and also shears Goku and Piccolos (2 of the greatest fighters in his universes) fighting styles in acordance to his own.
Thor is the son of Odin and has inherited the Odin force meaning basically he can use his power,plus he has over thousands of years of battle experience and his hammer can be thrown by him at multiple times the speed of light.
Naru Maton wrote:
4. his intelligence is without question aceing through school and is an A star student with the smarts to become a great scholar.
Supermans Fortress of Solitude taught him just about everything.Thor is a god and has lived for thousands of years.Their intelligence>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Goku and Gohans combined.
Naru Maton wrote:
5. Goku is an almost unbeatable fighter in terms of skill in other world he fought and was stronger than fighters who had trained for thousands of years, includeing Olibu who sheared amazing resemblance to Hercules who is also an equal combatent to Thor.
That tournament was non-canon.Besides just because he looked like Hercules doesn’t necassarly put him on par with him.
Naru Maton wrote:
6. after 7 years of intence training Goku reaches the third level easly becomeing the strongest fighter in other world and is able to maintain level three constantly untill comeing back to life, and fights Kid Buu a being able to aradicate worlds like men do bugs.
However he would have lost if he didn’t have help and would only have been able to beat him if he was able to maintain SSJ3.Thor has beaten the likes of Loki who is not only extremely powerful but so intelligent he knows he’s a comic book character.Superman absorbed the energy of the Maggedon warhead which could destroy a galaxy.
Naru Maton wrote:
7. after this he trains for ten years to the point fighting Kid Buu is childs play in normal form, makeing him a good match for Mystic mabe?
then another ten years on top of that and he can still fight Uub 1 on 1 in normal form.
Maybe in another ten years Superman would see them as insects from sitting in the sun for ten years also.Thor don’t know what he could do during those ten years.
Naru Maton wrote:
8. then take into account a hell of alot of fighting on that and 4 levels up and you have SSJ 4 Goku the single strongest entity in all DBZ GT history and by alot.
SSJ4 Goku couldn’t beat Super 17 and was losing horrilbe to Omega Shenron.SSJ4 Gogeta is a different story and one of the few cool characters in GT.
Naru Maton wrote:
9. now then feats Brolly is able to alimanate an entire galaxy in under 3 seconds a power witch both Mysic and SSJ 4 out shine by leeps and bounds, Cooler states he would simply wipe out earths sun killing all life in the galaxy a power that is less than even an SSJ, in the Janimba movie Gohan kills Freiza in one punch in normal form (a being that owned the most part of the universe and a planet destroyer to boot).
And thats all non-canon if you use that then I guess alot of non-canon Superman feats are also usable.Anyway Pre-Crisis Superman and Odin force Thor win this.
Naru Maton wrote:
10. Roshi can wipe out a moon in Dragon Ball Goku about 35 years or more later in normal form is immencely more powerful by at least 1000 times then add 4 more tranceformations that time his power by 50 or more then ten fold the power of his ultimate blast (Kamehamaha) and try to imagine the differance???
I and alot of fans talk about this.Roshi wiped out the moon and so did Piccolo, yet Kid Buu who is multiple times stronger than them could only wipe out a planet a hundred times over.Hmm.
Naru Maton wrote:
11. also picture Gohan a Boy who defeated Cell a being that was apparently perfect with all the greatest fighters apart of him, then Cell gets pawned and destroyed by that child.
then give him a power boost that makes a normal man a super human and a normal cat a Lion then imagine wot it douse for a Saiyan (one witch is potentioly stronger than his father and is a half Saiyan a naturaly stronger breed) and takes him way beyond his limets.
Imagine Superman sitting near the sun and with the Sword of Superman which allows him to become one with the universe and Thor with his mystical hammer and the Odinforce.
Naru Maton wrote:
id say this Super Saiyan duo have a major advantage over any super hero in raw skill and power i leave this in your hands boyzzz.
I agree that their strong but I don’t see them beating these two anytime soon.
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| | | 22 Jan 2007 08:48 pm |
Naru Maton Guest | that was very good manchester i found that interesting im not saying your wrong but i do have a few points that come to mind.
(personal note we are using Cannon non-Cannon in this debate as i have already stated).
1.we can compare legendery weapons in both worlds you say Thors hammer only allows those who are worthy to lift it the same aplies for the Z Sword only the pure of heart and those with a shit load of strenth can move it.
2. the Z Sword was amazingly powerful turning rock into ruble without strain the only thing wrong is it challenged the strongest known aloy in the universe (Kaching) and its legend was a little over rated.
3. since the end of the Cell Games Goku and the Z fighters have fought everything thrown at them from world coqureing Red ribbon Army, to evil Tyrants from space, however in the Buu Saga it was shown that because of there love of battle the Saiyans had grown far stronger than even the universes greatest overseers thought possible a difficult task to the Kies is childsplay or even fun for them.
4. to fully stress what im saying its like the Kies were around for hundreds of thousands of years kk, they (back then) were unriveled there powers were enourmouse even able to fight Kid Buu whitch means beings like Cell and Freiza were nothing spechiol (King Kie isnt even surprised to hear Pikkon defeated Cell in 2 moves)they watched over the universe with unseen eyes as the Lords of the Worlds.
anyway the lords of the world are gifted with some of the most powerfull attacks in the universe (Spirit Bomb, Kao Ken, Thunder Flash, Fushion, and Instant transmition) are skilled fighters telipathic can summon any object can teliport werever they choose heal paralise opponents and some even take a persons power far beyond what it is (imagine that on Superman or the Hulk even!).
6. then consider in Goku and Gohans life time they have fought so mutch that there powers have made these beings seem like average wariors, easily surpassing them i mean they make things that seem impossible to the Gods (Defeating Debora the Demon King and strongest fighter in his world, lifting the Z Sword something not even the Supream Kia can acomplish, defeating the surposed strongest fighters in the Universe Yakon and Pwi Pwi) seem like an afternoons work.
7. Vegeta said it best when fighting Goku “Buu is sorly outclassed the Saiyans have evolved since that creatures time, since this all began the Supream Kia has constantly underestimated us on Babides ship we defeated what were surposed to be the strongest fighters in the Universe and we barly broke a sweat, the Saiyans have taken a ruleing place in the galaxy that even its greatest overseer couldent prodict” spoken by Vegeta the saiyan prince.
8. so even if Superman was to sit around on the sun for ten years (keep in mind his need to eat sleep and his sochiol life) it is doubtful his rate of power climbs faster and higher than that of the Saiyans evolution.
9. also i think you underestimate just how mutch power the saiyans truly have, if Kid Buu mmade an energy Ball that could wipe out the earth one hundred times over then reform and do the same to multiple planets on his way to Goku without tire, and SSJ3 and Mystic are far more powerful then you consider the damage they could cause? also then take Goku 20 years of training later and SSJ 4 then consider the power they hold in the palm of there hand.
10. if still in doubt think of Majin Vegeta who clearly stated to goku when they had a little trip down Memory lane “i was a Saiyan Elite in my finger tips i held the power to destroy entire worlds” that was then with a power level of 18,000 now imagine all these years later and your still nowere close as Majim isnt even near Goku and Gohan in power infact all of Babides henchmen (the so called strongest fighters) were boosted in power a great deal like Spopovitch and Yamu.
11. the fact is those fighters wernt weak on any normal day they make mincemeat out of most heros Pwi Pwi is extreamly fast moving around normaly at 10 times earths gravity, Yakon is an energy converter and Spopovitch and Yamu seemed to be immortal.
its just Goku and the rest had become that mutch superior it made it look easy, for any other race Human Namek or even Kia it would have proven difficult if not imposible.
12. finally even Gohan who dident train was extreamly difficult for the Supream Kia to contain and could fight evenly with the strongest fighter from another world, also Olibu is Hercules he is a warior who most of earths legends are based upon and is nowere near Goku or Gohan in strenth.
man i dont think i missed mutch but i think there the points i wanted to bring up kk i have more but i think this was enought to strech and show there powers. if you still disagree with any of this then tell me witch bits as i have proof but hopefully you gus all watche the series or read the manga and know all this already.
now you can see why i put them up against Thor and Superman no one else really can go toe to toe with them lol
P.S in litural terms for these fighters destroying the sun and earth is an unthinkable task they just wouldent do it kk like thor is a warior correct (also the most powerful Avenger of all time) i think he is honerable and would never resort to freezing time to beat an opponnent he would fight fair, in anycase its like me saying Guldo freezes time on Krillen and Gohan it dident beat them then so they would win who knows see?
| | | 22 Jan 2007 09:12 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,039 OFFLINE | Naru Maton wrote:
that was very good manchester i found that interesting im not saying your wrong but i do have a few points that come to mind.
Okay.
Naru Maton wrote:
(personal note we are using Cannon non-Cannon in this debate as i have already stated).
I see.The only problem with this is it brings so many contradictions that mess up characters.Like anime Goku is shown to struggle to lift a bus with all his ki with the help of Piccolo.
Naru Maton wrote:
1.we can compare legendery weapons in both worlds you say Thors hammer only allows those who are worthy to lift it the same aplies for the Z Sword only the pure of heart and those with a shit load of strenth can move it.
Thats true.However the Z sword never showed us anything in battle whereas Mjolnir has shown all kinds of capabilities.
Naru Maton wrote:
2. the Z Sword was amazingly powerful turning rock into ruble without strain the only thing wrong is it challenged the strongest known aloy in the universe (Kaching) and its legend was a little over rated.
Mjolnir is shown to be stronger than adamtium which is the strongest metal in Marvel.
Naru Maton wrote:
3. since the end of the Cell Games Goku and the Z fighters have fought everything thrown at them from world coqureing Red ribbon Army, to evil Tyrants from space, however in the Buu Saga it was shown that because of there love of battle the Saiyans had grown far stronger than even the universes greatest overseers thought possible a difficult task to the Kies is childsplay or even fun for them.
Which is why I and many fans note how pathetic the Kies are compared to other gods.Thor has done the impossible.Ragnorak was supposed to take the lives of every god or something like that but Thor survived.
Naru Maton wrote:
4. to fully stress what im saying its like the Kies were around for hundreds of thousands of years kk, they (back then) were unriveled there powers were enourmouse even able to fight Kid Buu whitch means beings like Cell and Freiza were nothing spechiol (King Kie isnt even surprised to hear Pikkon defeated Cell in 2 moves)they watched over the universe with unseen eyes as the Lords of the Worlds.
anyway the lords of the world are gifted with some of the most powerfull attacks in the universe (Spirit Bomb, Kao Ken, Thunder Flash, Fushion, and Instant transmition) are skilled fighters telipathic can summon any object can teliport werever they choose heal paralise opponents and some even take a persons power far beyond what it is (imagine that on Superman or the Hulk even!).
I can’t see it working for some reason.They weren’t able to really fight Kid Buu he obliterated all but the South one.
Naru Maton wrote:
6. then consider in Goku and Gohans life time they have fought so mutch that there powers have made these beings seem like average wariors, easily surpassing them i mean they make things that seem impossible to the Gods (Defeating Debora the Demon King and strongest fighter in his world, lifting the Z Sword something not even the Supream Kia can acomplish, defeating the surposed strongest fighters in the Universe Yakon and Pwi Pwi) seem like an afternoons work.
The same is pretty much said for Superman and Thor, they’ve defeated quite a few gods.
Naru Maton wrote:
7. Vegeta said it best when fighting Goku “Buu is sorly outclassed the Saiyans have evolved since that creatures time, since this all began the Supream Kia has constantly underestimated us on Babides ship we defeated what were surposed to be the strongest fighters in the Universe and we barly broke a sweat, the Saiyans have taken a ruleing place in the galaxy that even its greatest overseer couldent prodict” spoken by Vegeta the saiyan prince.
Superman and Thor have also surpassed most of the most powerful beings in their existence.
Naru Maton wrote:
8. so even if Superman was to sit around on the sun for ten years (keep in mind his need to eat sleep and his sochiol life) it is doubtful his rate of power climbs faster and higher than that of the Saiyans evolution.
Not really.Superman after an hour of Sundipping fought Imperiex a being with the power of the big bang.
Naru Maton wrote:
9. also i think you underestimate just how mutch power the saiyans truly have, if Kid Buu mmade an energy Ball that could wipe out the earth one hundred times over then reform and do the same to multiple planets on his way to Goku without tire, and SSJ3 and Mystic are far more powerful then you consider the damage they could cause? also then take Goku 20 years of training later and SSJ 4 then consider the power they hold in the palm of there hand.
Thats the thing though yes they can but whats the point?Superman and Thor are no slow pokes and would Goku risk destroying the planet he lives on since he can’t breath in space?
Naru Maton wrote:
10. if still in doubt think of Majin Vegeta who clearly stated to goku when they had a little trip down Memory lane “i was a Saiyan Elite in my finger tips i held the power to destroy entire worlds” that was then with a power level of 18,000 now imagine all these years later and your still nowere close as Majim isnt even near Goku and Gohan in power infact all of Babides henchmen (the so called strongest fighters) were boosted in power a great deal like Spopovitch and Yamu.
Remeber Vegeta is a guy who boasts a lot and also told Goku that he wouldn’t be able to block his Galick Gun yet Goku did.
Naru Maton wrote:
11. the fact is those fighters wernt weak on any normal day they make mincemeat out of most heros Pwi Pwi is extreamly fast moving around normaly at 10 times earths gravity, Yakon is an energy converter and Spopovitch and Yamu seemed to be immortal.
its just Goku and the rest had become that mutch superior it made it look easy, for any other race Human Namek or even Kia it would have proven difficult if not imposible.
This is all true, but both of thier enemies have done the same.
Naru Maton wrote:
12. finally even Gohan who dident train was extreamly difficult for the Supream Kia to contain and could fight evenly with the strongest fighter from another world, also Olibu is Hercules he is a warior who most of earths legends are based upon and is nowere near Goku or Gohan in strenth.
Uh, no.Olibu looks like Hercules but isn’t necassarly Hercules.
Naru Maton wrote:
man i dont think i missed mutch but i think there the points i wanted to bring up kk i have more but i think this was enought to strech and show there powers. if you still disagree with any of this then tell me witch bits as i have proof but hopefully you gus all watche the series or read the manga and know all this already.
Yeah I disagree with most of this but not all.
Naru Maton wrote:
now you can see why i put them up against Thor and Superman no one else really can go toe to toe with them lol
Not really. I can name guys who can solo the DBZ verse.
Naru Maton wrote:
P.S in litural terms for these fighters destroying the sun and earth is an unthinkable task they just wouldent do it kk like thor is a warior correct (also the most powerful Avenger of all time) i think he is honerable and would never resort to freezing time to beat an opponnent he would fight fair, in anycase its like me saying Guldo freezes time on Krillen and Gohan it dident beat them then so they would win who knows see?
The thing about Guldo is he is weak.He can freeze time but can’t really do anything otherwise.
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| | | 22 Jan 2007 09:35 pm |
Naru Maton Guest | i have to give you credit Manchester you are on the same wave lenth FINALLY someone who understands the powers at hand kk,
1. were as Superman Goku Thor and Gohan all would hold back a great deal it is proven that the Saiyans have perfect control over there Ki and can focus there powers derectly on an opponent.
2. you say superman is fast well this is Gotenks SSJ (bear in mind he has yet to train in the hyperbolic time chamber and reach SSJ 3 and is mutch weaker than both Goku and Gohan).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2w5bX5qMLQ
could i have something to compare it with plz???
| | | 22 Jan 2007 09:52 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,039 OFFLINE | Naru Maton wrote:
i have to give you credit Manchester you are on the same wave lenth FINALLY someone who understands the powers at hand kk,
I agree that non-canon Goku and Gohan are strong but if we use non-canon stuff for Superman and Thor also this becomes a mismatch.
Naru Maton wrote:
1. were as Superman Goku Thor and Gohan all would hold back a great deal it is proven that the Saiyans have perfect control over there Ki and can focus there powers derectly on an opponent.
Superman has pretty much perfect control on how to use his heat vision,ice breath, and has calculated how much speed and strength to use.Thor is just good at holding back.
Naru Maton wrote:
2. you say superman is fast well this is Gotenks SSJ (bear in mind he has yet to train in the hyperbolic time chamber and reach SSJ 3 and is mutch weaker than both Goku and Gohan).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2w5bX5qMLQ
One yes Gotenks is weaker than Mystic Gohan. However Goku said that he was weaker than SSJ Gotenks while he was in SSJ3.Maybe he is now, but originally he was weaker.
could i have something to compare it with plz???
Ask and you shall receive.http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics334page62mxbc9.jpg
This is Pre-Crisis Superboy moving trillions of miles in seconds.This is the kid who grows up to be Superman.
Superman moving so fast he flies through the time barrier millions of times in the past.
http://superman.ws/tales4/feats/?page=3
Take note this is Pre-Crisis Superman.If you want I could put pics up of Post-Crisis.
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| | | 23 Jan 2007 01:38 pm |
Naru Maton Guest | wow thats fast alright!
to think he had that sort of ability, have you got him using it to beat any of his opponents that would go a long way to proving its usability in battle?
also Goku never states Gotenks SSJ is stronger than him he says the Fushion is strong enough to beat Fat Buu there currant opponent and someone Goku held back against greatly, in his first form Gotenks was wiped by Fat Buu and only in SSJ did he actually stand a chance as for Goku he is able to fight an equil battle with Kid Buu a far stronger enemy (and still holds back in order to give Vegeta his shot at the beast) so id say by these results SSJ3 Goku was far more powerful than Gotenks SSJ.
another important point is when Gotenks turs SSJ3 after training in the Hyperblic time chamber Supream Kia asks Goku “so is Gotenks stronger than you now” Goku states “well i can do it to” and continues " a little while ago i acended to stage 3 and let me tell you its not the easyist thing to control but these boys man, there moving around like theyve trained for years”.
so Gokus not stateing there power over his but his amazment of how easy to control the power is (when he transforms he is bloodthirsty and when they do there childish and relaxed), also they were equil to Super Buu Goku is stronger than Kid Buu and Goku is the mutch better skilled fighter of the two.
also for thse who belive Super Buu to be stronger bare in mind Kid Buus energy and feats and regenaration compaired with his counterpart, also the level of destruction cuased by Kid Buu and the fact that when reverted back to Super Buu his power climbs rather than decreases.
Supream Kia even states this is the strongest Buu of them all (side note he is not as powerful as Gotenks Buu or Mystic Buu),he is simply the strongest lone Buu.
in either case SSJ4 Goku and Mystic Gohan would pwn Gotenks quight easily dont you think.
| | | 23 Jan 2007 02:27 pm |
King of MVC Rep: 26Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,489 OFFLINE | Naru Maton wrote:
wow thats fast alright!
to think he had that sort of ability, have you got him using it to beat any of his opponents that would go a long way to proving its usability in battle?
also Goku never states Gotenks SSJ is stronger than him he says the Fushion is strong enough to beat Fat Buu there currant opponent and someone Goku held back against greatly, in his first form Gotenks was wiped by Fat Buu and only in SSJ did he actually stand a chance as for Goku he is able to fight an equil battle with Kid Buu a far stronger enemy (and still holds back in order to give Vegeta his shot at the beast) so id say by these results SSJ3 Goku was far more powerful than Gotenks SSJ.
another important point is when Gotenks turs SSJ3 after training in the Hyperblic time chamber Supream Kia asks Goku “so is Gotenks stronger than you now” Goku states “well i can do it to” and continues " a little while ago i acended to stage 3 and let me tell you its not the easyist thing to control but these boys man, there moving around like theyve trained for years”.
so Gokus not stateing there power over his but his amazment of how easy to control the power is (when he transforms he is bloodthirsty and when they do there childish and relaxed), also they were equil to Super Buu Goku is stronger than Kid Buu and Goku is the mutch better skilled fighter of the two.
also for thse who belive Super Buu to be stronger bare in mind Kid Buus energy and feats and regenaration compaired with his counterpart, also the level of destruction cuased by Kid Buu and the fact that when reverted back to Super Buu his power climbs rather than decreases.
Supream Kia even states this is the strongest Buu of them all (side note he is not as powerful as Gotenks Buu or Mystic Buu),he is simply the strongest lone Buu.
in either case SSJ4 Goku and Mystic Gohan would pwn Gotenks quight easily dont you think.
Gotenks is made up of 2 half saiyans, so like Gohan they have the hidden power that was shown against Garlic. Also, at the end of GT, nothing is really shown about Goten and Trunks progression. They might have attained SSJ4 when fused who knows? Besides, throughout GT what does Gohan do? He stays home and raises a family, he litterally does no training (story of Gohan’s freakin life if you ask me) Gohan is about the laziest bastard in all of the dragon ball universe, and I feel he would be the weakest link in the family by a long shot, especially since at the end of GT, Goten has grown into a young man and due to his friendship with the highly competative trunks, probably trained in the same matter that Goku did. Gotanks would far surpass mystic Gohan, but I don’t know about SSJ4 Goku.
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THE KING HAS RETURNED! | | | 23 Jan 2007 03:27 pm |
Naru Maton Guest | you really dont no mutch about Gt my freind,
allow me to Ejaculate you after z about ten years everyone but Goku Uub and Vegeta have gone soft in the time of peace, Vegeta wants to send Goten and trunks into outer space with Goku as they have gotten to weak, Goten asks why Gohan isnt going as he said he was and Vegeta replies “he hasnt allowed himself to grow soft like you two have”.
also Trunks has grown weak because of his constant hasstle of running capsule corp and can barly manage turning SSJ due to lack of training, Goten gos SSJ still but is regarded as weak by Bebi, when he sences Gohans power in conparison to Gotens it is vastly greater and so he transports himslf into Gohans body.
and also Bulma says SSJ4 can only be reached with those who have a tail (do they have one) and have trained troumendousely.
so no Goten and Trunks take the titl of greatest slakers.
| | | 23 Jan 2007 04:06 pm |
Regular Rep: 0 Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Posts: 200 OFFLINE | Manchester knows everything he needs to know. Trust me, ive followed him through many many threads cause i kinda admire his posts. He knows GT. He knows Z. He knows his comics and manga.
| | | 23 Jan 2007 04:15 pm |
Naru Maton Guest | i was refering to derdev789 who also claims to no all Z GT, so far Manchester knows a hell of alot about this subject.
anyway nice to meet you Darkside
| | | 23 Jan 2007 04:24 pm |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Posts: 200 OFFLINE | likewise, sorry if it sounded like an attack. Im the guy who finds the random facts after reading his posts cause i like to learn.
| | | 23 Jan 2007 06:04 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,039 OFFLINE | Naru Maton wrote:
wow thats fast alright!
Thats the brokeness of Pre-Crisis Superman.
Naru Maton wrote:
to think he had that sort of ability, have you got him using it to beat any of his opponents that would go a long way to proving its usability in battle?
While he does move fast since he holds back on enemies its not as fast.He moves fast in battle just not at the speed of the scans above.
Naru Maton wrote:
also Goku never states Gotenks SSJ is stronger than him he says the Fushion is strong enough to beat Fat Buu there currant opponent and someone Goku held back against greatly, in his first form Gotenks was wiped by Fat Buu and only in SSJ did he actually stand a chance as for Goku he is able to fight an equil battle with Kid Buu a far stronger enemy (and still holds back in order to give Vegeta his shot at the beast) so id say by these results SSJ3 Goku was far more powerful than Gotenks SSJ.
Actually no.Kid Buu was one of the weakest incarnations.While he did state that SSJ Gotenks could beat Fat Buu he also said SSJ Gotenks was stronger than him in SSJ3 form.
Naru Maton wrote:
another important point is when Gotenks turs SSJ3 after training in the Hyperblic time chamber Supream Kia asks Goku “so is Gotenks stronger than you now” Goku states “well i can do it to” and continues " a little while ago i acended to stage 3 and let me tell you its not the easyist thing to control but these boys man, there moving around like theyve trained for years”.
That to me sounds like a clue they can stronger in SSJ3 form than he is.
Naru Maton wrote:
so Gokus not stateing there power over his but his amazment of how easy to control the power is (when he transforms he is bloodthirsty and when they do there childish and relaxed), also they were equil to Super Buu Goku is stronger than Kid Buu and Goku is the mutch better skilled fighter of the two.
While that is true.Goku at first admitted he and Vegeta couldn’t beat regular Super Buu someone SSJ3 Gotenks was able to fight evenly with.Mystic Gohan blues Super Buu.Even though this is GT it goes to show you Goku wasn’t the strongest in Z and is probably only stronger now because he actually trains.
Naru Maton wrote:
also for thse who belive Super Buu to be stronger bare in mind Kid Buus energy and feats and regenaration compaired with his counterpart, also the level of destruction cuased by Kid Buu and the fact that when reverted back to Super Buu his power climbs rather than decreases.
Thats the thing,Super Buu was said to be stronger but Kid Buu was the most dangerous because of his regenaration,high ki level, and refusal to hold back.Goku admitted he and Vegeta would lose to Super Buu but Vegeta said that if Goku could maintain SSJ3 he could beat Kid Buu in an instant. That tells us something.
Naru Maton wrote:
Supream Kia even states this is the strongest Buu of them all (side note he is not as powerful as Gotenks Buu or Mystic Buu),he is simply the strongest lone Buu.
He actually sees him as the most dangerous.Look above.
Naru Maton wrote:
in either case SSJ4 Goku and Mystic Gohan would pwn Gotenks quight easily dont you think.
Yes SSJ4 Goku but not SSJ3 and ofcourse Mystic Gohan.
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| | | 24 Jan 2007 08:27 am |
Naru Maton Guest | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majin_Buu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_Buu_Saga
http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Info/Transformations/Transformations-Buu.htm
it would seem that there is no proof of either Buu being the strongest, but i see it as this kk.
Gotenks Normal State: could not defeat Fat Buu.
Fat Buu: could beat normal Gotenks but not hyperbolic time chamber SSJ Gotenks.
Gotenks SSJ: was said to be able to beat Fat Buu.
Grey Buu: soundly beat Fat Buu and was stronger.
Goku SSJ 3: fought evenly with Kid Buu could have beat him but wasted to mutch energy, and could beat Fat Buu quight easy never fought Super Buu but held his own against Gotenks Buu for a while.
Kid Buu: fought Goku SSJ 3 (twice) Vegeta SSJ 2 (twice) Fat Buu and Hercule and the spirit Bomb.
Super Buu: is Grey and Fat Buu combined can fight evenly with Gotenks SSJ 3.
Gotenks SSJ 3: not far ahead of Goku in power slightly stronger than Super Buu as he could have beat him.
Mystic Gohan: could wipe Super Buu in an instant without trying, was beaten by Gotenks Buu (fused Gotenks SSJ 3 Super Buu and Piccolo)also is the strongest single being in Z.
SSJ 4 Goku: (nuff said lol)
that is in terms of strenth tho i belive Kid Buu would thrash the ever loving shit out of Super Buu due to his ability to Regen almost anything his huge energy supply and his fighting style (being able to fight on par with Goku).
also i do not belive there is that big a gap in strenth between Goku and Gotenks SSJ 3 and Super Buu and Kid Buu to give them the win kk, in either case nither is stated as being stronger than the other plus Goku held back constantly through the Buu Saga in order to give Gohan and the boys there shot at defending the earth as he will not be around forever so a procise measurement is not possible.
| | | 25 Jan 2007 05:33 pm |
Darkness Guest | yes rather acurate my young apprentice Kid Buu is far to dangerouseand id say near enuff equil to Super Buu in strenth and pwns him in all other aspects Dark Kie FOREVER!
| | | 25 Jan 2007 05:40 pm |
Naru Maton Guest | whoa ive never seen someone rip like that...lol your a funny one?
???whats a dark Kia
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