derdev789 wrote:
Heh, I’m pretty sure supes would beat Goku and Gohan alone, and with thor riding shotgun there is no way the father son combo would stand a chance.
you are right about that one my friend sups always holding back
Superman is more durable and stronger than Goku. And faster in flight as well. But Goku knows much more fighting “skills” than Superman does. Not just because he trained so long, but from all the people he fought and trained him. The DBZ characters in the series, fight at lighting speeds. Even though Supes is good in Hand to hand combat, Goku is Greater in fighting technique and speed ( in Hand-to-hand.) But Supes is still stronger and much more durable.
It is also stated by Goku in the Cell Sagas, that it takes more than brute strength to win a fight.In GT(even though i disliked the GT series) He fights half the match with Omega Shenron without sight, blinded. As for Thor, him to being known with “Godly” powers, He can take on Goku as of fighting, Since he’s a “Godly Warrior” that has been fighting for thousands of years.
As for For Supes, yes he always holding back, but so is Goku, and Gohan. Goku and Gohan could have killed Buu in the Sagas, but didn’t do it (for some idiotic reason). The Saiyans have to hold back most of their energy and have a lot of concentration when it has to do with Ki.Because if they completely destroy the planet they are fighting on, they’d die because they cannot breathe in space. In the Frieza Saga, Frieza could have easily destroyed the planet as he did to Planet Vegeta, but he didn’t want to until Goku became a Super Saiyan and a great threat to him. And those who say Saiyans cannot reach light speeds, they can so. Piccolo’s special beam cannon against Raditz was said to be fast as the speed of light. and Raditz dodged the 1st shot.. Which Raditz Power lvl was only ranging 900-1000.
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You cite Goku staying away from the sun, which happens before the Frieza saga. You’re just picking whatever information is convenient to your point regardless of validity. Yes someone gets killed by a hand gong through them, that’s because the character putting the hand through them was extremely powerful. Superman never faces anyone who can do that to him because he’s a sanitised mascot character and DC would never do that to him. Just because none of Superman’s enemies were strong enough to do that to him, doesn’t mean that it could only happen to someone weaker. You lack any sense of external perspective here and seem unable to see past this apparently rampant Supes fanboy worship. Superman is not the strongest character in any fiction ever, deal with that.
to say that u must not have read superman comics since he fights darkseid(who killed the new gods......gods) and ur the fool u dbz fan boi r u kidden me not 1 attack they have can do anything to superman ur a joke and dc killed him so shut up. thanos is the strongest i know supes aint cuz i hate him but im not an idiot like u fools who think goku or gohan evil can even handle a man who no matter who he fights he holds back his power in fear of killing them but gohan needs full power to beat cell r u kidding me stop the dumb shit and come back to reality u fan boi. 15 yrs ago i said the same shit and thats when i 1st saw it........15yrs ago.......no hope no chance no nothing since they hate the cold and it affects their power sumhow.........
Whatever, just...whatever, I’m sick of damned DC fanboyism and it’s lack of ability to quantify based upon both universes and not just DC (or marvel). Go out, meet some real women, and grow up.
Ok, I can agree that Thor could whup the whole DBZ cast with ease, the assertion that Superman could even touch them on his own is ludicrous. Can Superman destroy entire planets without special circumstances or without doing something silly like flying through the core to make it implode upon itself? No, he can’t. I’ll happily change my mind if you can provide evidence, but I’m pretty certain that he can not.
Superman flew so fast he nearly fucked up te universe. The Presence told the Spectre to tell Superman to stop flying so fast, or something of the sort. Pre Crisis Superman would woop the fuck out of DBZ too.
In the Saiyan Saga, Vegeta destroys an entire planet with a singe energy blast. Now, it’s clear that all the major characters are exponentially more powerful than that by the end of the Z storyline, ignoring GT and movies. Frankly, Superman would, by that rationale (as I believe anecdotal evidence must be considered valid as we are talking fiction here) hardly be able to land a single blow on either Goku or Gohan. Put them together and I’m sorry, but anyone thinking Supes has even the slightest chance is sadly massively deluded.
Superman couldn’t land a blow on Gohan or Goku? Is that why he’s flown out of a universe just to sneeze? He actually has travelled to different universes.
Are you kidding? Goku could easily fly through a sun, he’d just have to teleport back to somewhere with oxygen afterwards, which he could do instantly even to somewhere in a different galaxy.
Absolute bullshit, sorry dude, but since when can Goku withstand such heat? He can’t even tank planet busters.
You cite Goku staying away from the sun, which happens before the Frieza saga. You’re just picking whatever information is convenient to your point regardless of validity. Yes someone gets killed by a hand gong through them, that’s because the character putting the hand through them was extremely powerful. Superman never faces anyone who can do that to him because he’s a sanitised mascot character and DC would never do that to him. Just because none of Superman’s enemies were strong enough to do that to him, doesn’t mean that it could only happen to someone weaker. You lack any sense of external perspective here and seem unable to see past this apparently rampant Supes fanboy worship. Superman is not the strongest character in any fiction ever, deal with that.
You are saying none of Superman’s enemies are strong? Just LMFAO, Darkseid laughs at this badly. And stop the fan boy calling it’s damn well ignorant dude. Whoever said Superman is the strongest fictional character? Nobody is saying that, but people are saying Superman would bust a cap in DBZ’s ass.
Goku couldent handle those punch’s as he take’s blow’s of Kid Buu that dent the planet my man.
Superman has taken blows of Earth-2 Superman who was destroying dimensions.
Of course he did, the bHulk is a weakling compared to characters with real superpowers. Heck, even the Ginyu force could’ve whupped the Hulk. Can the Hulk blow planets up? No, he can’t, he’d have to pound for a fair old while just to destroy a small mountain. Even Frieza could do that, and he’s a bit of a pansy in DBZ terms, so the notion that taking punches from the Hulk is impressive is ridiculous.
STOP TALKING BULLSHIT. Hulk clapped a universe out of existance. He’s smashed an asteriod twice the size of Earth, he’s taken the detructive power of a million suns. He’s beaten the Surfer, he’s beaten Galdiator, he’s beaten a super powered Dr Strange, so DON’T tell me that Hulk isn’t Impressive.
Whatever, just...whatever, I’m sick of damned DC fanboyism and it’s lack of ability to quantify based upon both universes and not just DC (or marvel). Go out, meet some real women, and grow up.
Actually you were the one that was pulling stuff from your ass, 'Goku can go through a sun' 'the Hulk isn’t impressive' that’s the kind of bullshit talk that makes you sound like a hypocrite mate. And the last part about meeting women, that was real mature.
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seed wrote:
WOW,locking the original topic?buster sword afraid of me that’s why he request to locked that.
Alright, I can’t argue the points you made, I concede. And yeah, my last coment was pretty immature, I was frankly frustrated with the way that, as I’ve stated before, the mentality here seems to be that equal feats of strength are somehow less impressive in the DBZ universe than they are in DC or Marvel, and having someone insult me for my flawed but perfectly civilised contribution up until that point. I can’t stand people being rude, and if someone doesn’t speak to me with respect then I don’t waste it back on them, especially when (as in Papamidnite’s case) they can’t even be bothered to use correct spelling or grammar in the process.
You, however, have alerted me to events that have transpired since I last read any Superman (the Hulk has never really interested me, I mostly know him from guest appearences where I still maintain that I have never seen him represented as much stronger than someone like Juggernaut), and I can accept that the character has moved on massively. Leaving the galaxy to sneeze is certainly many times more powerful than the comparative weakling that had to send doomsday into space because he couldn’t kill him (Yes, it’s been THAT long, but I really didn’t expect him to change as much as he clearly has). Back then, I do not believe Superman could win. Now, however, it sounds like a different story.
I concede that in this case the DBZ characters are outclassed. Not by as much as some people around here seem to think, but still outclassed nonetheless. I should also apologise for my ignorance, I should have done my research rather than relying on old information.
I do still maintain that Goku could fly through the sun if he had enough oxygen. He’s taken attacks that could destroy the sun (I equate the power to destroy a planet several times over as roughly equal to destroying the sun), so it makes no sense to assume that the sun would be too much for him.
Anyway, this topic should now have put one thing to rest: Squipple can no longer claim that myself and Buster Sword are the same person. Well, unless we have a serious split personalty problem.
Alright, I can’t argue the points you made, I concede. And yeah, my last coment was pretty immature, I was frankly frustrated with the way that, as I’ve stated before, the mentality here seems to be that equal feats of strength are somehow less impressive in the DBZ universe than they are in DC or Marvel, and having someone insult me for my flawed but perfectly civilised contribution up until that point. I can’t stand people being rude, and if someone doesn’t speak to me with respect then I don’t waste it back on them, especially when (as in Papamidnite’s case) they can’t even be bothered to use correct spelling or grammar in the process.
It’s ok dude, I totally understand where you are coming from, it’s very hard to keep it cool sometimes, epsecially when people talk bullshit, you get compelled to retaliate. And even though we are on the opposing side, I think you’re a quite a good debator, because more often than not, DBZ supporters are well...
Well tbh fair DBZ are powerful, but when it comes to DC or Marvel, well they’re ordinary, that’s how bad Marvel and DC are. I understand about the rudeness, so don’t worry about that, the best thing to do is be the better debator and own them in some way, it’s a lot more fun that way lol.
You, however, have alerted me to events that have transpired since I last read any Superman (the Hulk has never really interested me, I mostly know him from guest appearences where I still maintain that I have never seen him represented as much stronger than someone like Juggernaut), and I can accept that the character has moved on massively. Leaving the galaxy to sneeze is certainly many times more powerful than the comparative weakling that had to send doomsday into space because he couldn’t kill him (Yes, it’s been THAT long, but I really didn’t expect him to change as much as he clearly has). Back then, I do not believe Superman could win. Now, however, it sounds like a different story.
Well to be fair Supes and Hulk both suck, well the sneezing one is actually before the Doomsday thing, Pre Crisis Superman did the sneezing, he was pulling powers out of his ass back in the day, he was nigh broken that’s why they depowered him to shit (that’s the Superman you know), and he was called Post Crisis, but having said that Post Crisis Superman has gotten ALOT stronger since then again, but not to his former glory in Pre Crisis. Hulk has gone the other way, he’s gone alot stronger, and his strength is comparable to Celestials. Clapped out a universe and all this fancy shit.
I concede that in this case the DBZ characters are outclassed. Not by as much as some people around here seem to think, but still outclassed nonetheless. I should also apologise for my ignorance, I should have done my research rather than relying on old information.
Well tbh they are outclassed badly, Thor and Superman are wank stains compared to some of the monsters that house Marvel and DC, some bust multiverses on a whim. And it’s ok, no need for apolgies now, because you’ve shown what a good debator you are, I wish there was more like you tbh.
I do still maintain that Goku could fly through the sun if he had enough oxygen. He’s taken attacks that could destroy the sun (I equate the power to destroy a planet several times over as roughly equal to destroying the sun), so it makes no sense to assume that the sun would be too much for him.
He died from Cells bomb, and the sun is WAY bigger than Earth.
Anyway, this topic should now have put one thing to rest: Squipple can no longer claim that myself and Buster Sword are the same person. Well, unless we have a serious split personalty problem.
Hahaha lol
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seed wrote:
WOW,locking the original topic?buster sword afraid of me that’s why he request to locked that.
Again good points there. Just registered, got a lovely pretentious new name and everything
Now to just start a DBZ vs the X-Men thread.... Bwahahahahaha!
Actually, I’m not sure they’d fare so badly against the more normal Marvel characters, but again I base that on having only read Marvel up until just after the Amalgan storylines. Actually, can you imagine Ghost Rider using the penance stare on a DBZ villain? That’d be hilarious. Of course, Ghost Rider is my favourite Marvel Character (Dan Ketch era), but I’d still not like to see him on the recieving end of of SSJ3 Kamehameha
Thinking about it, is it just me or (with the exception of Batman) does Marvel have a lot more relatively less powerful characters than DC?
But seriously, well debated and I hope we end up on the same side of a debate sometime.
viper718 wrote:
I think, if Goku and Gohan did the Fusion dance, then put a potara earing on their fused body, and snapped one on Thor, they could win,
Manchester Black wrote:
Thor mentioned he had greatly underestimated Superman when they fought and if they fought again he wouldn’t hold back. Also the comic is non-canon and as many of stated,DC will NEVER let Superman lose a crossover fight without some kind of plot device for the other character.
this was posted a whlie ago, but I thought I’d mention that dc and marvel crosover was canon and is mentioned in several comics after
i dont fan boi anything but thanos and fist of the north star everything else is common sense.....goku can be cut.....supes can only be cut by sumthin magic or stronger than 100 tons strength......supes stands in the sun to charge while goku shoots kamahamaha’s to avoid them and everytime a dbz character gets near the sun they die........and three kamahamaha’s did nothing to the sun......while supes blew 1 up flyin thru it which gave him the power to hit lobo from earth to deeeeeeeeeeeep outta space....and dc has the less powerful characters specially in the gods and abstract beings area...plus silver surfer is 1 in the comic hero battle while thor is 2...both ova the dc coverboy supes who is 3
papamidnite420 wrote:
i dont fan boi anything but thanos and fist of the north star everything else is common sense.....goku can be cut.....supes can only be cut by sumthin magic or stronger than 100 tons strength......supes stands in the sun to charge while goku shoots kamahamaha’s to avoid them and everytime a dbz character gets near the sun they die........and three kamahamaha’s did nothing to the sun......while supes blew 1 up flyin thru it which gave him the power to hit lobo from earth to deeeeeeeeeeeep outta space....and dc has the less powerful characters specially in the gods and abstract beings area...plus silver surfer is 1 in the comic hero battle while thor is 2...both ova the dc coverboy supes who is 3
a well thought out, sensible arguement..... WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU MAN!! DON’T YOU KNOW IT’S ABOUT IRRATIONAL STUPID FANBOYISM! GOD!
Nobody here watches DBZ. Once the match starts Goku and Gohan would run faster then the speed of lightening and steal thors hammer. Then just brake it with a beam EG: Kamehameha , Super Kamehameha or Spirit Bomb. And with Spirit Bomb the planet would be destroyed and Goku and Gohan would probably go to planet Vegeta and Bust them out. Or Goku and Gohan will fuse with potara earrings like how they wanted in Majin Buu Saga + the new warrior “Gokhan” would be created and would be unstoppable! And one beam would probably blast Thors stomach off one the hammer is destroyed. And supermans speed matches Goku’s but not “Gokhan”. If Goku is SSJ4 this match would end in 3 seconds. THOR AND SUPERMAN WOULD BE CRUSHED IN 2 SECONDS FLAT!
If I had a nickel for every time I heard this, I’d be the richest motherfucker on this site.
Once the match starts Goku and Gohan would run faster then the speed of lightening and steal thors hammer.
Speed of lightning, wooooow. So they have Dragonball level speed? Not so good when you’re going up against a God, and a Kryptonian who can move faster than the speed of light.
Then just brake it with a beam EG: Kamehameha , Super Kamehameha or Spirit Bomb. And with Spirit Bomb the planet would be destroyed and Goku and Gohan would probably go to planet Vegeta and Bust them out.
This is where the argument fails. It takes forever just to make a good Spirit Bomb, and it’s only been known to work on those who have evil in their heart, not on those who are pure good, such as Superman. And furthermore, Planet Vegeta is gone, you would know this if you watch DBZ and/or read the manga.
Or Goku and Gohan will fuse with potara earrings like how they wanted in Majin Buu Saga + the new warrior “Gokhan” would be created and would be unstoppable! And one beam would probably blast Thors stomach off one the hammer is destroyed. And supermans speed matches Goku’s but not “Gokhan”. If Goku is SSJ4 this match would end in 3 seconds. THOR AND SUPERMAN WOULD BE CRUSHED IN 2 SECONDS FLAT!
There’s no more Potarra earrings, you should know this if you watch DBZ.
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