Vincent Valentine vs Cloud Strife

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hey u were d one tht said she ws hot, and she is.

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Hey, I never said I wasn’t, I drew a pic of her some time ago... but only on a dare... because they said I couldn’t draw a femal nude...

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nude, scan it and gime! gime! gime!

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...

I gave the copy of it to my friend, but it is being hosted on a website. A Friend of mine took the sketch, redrew it, and digitally colored it....

I guess I can send you a link through PM... But I don’t know if it’s against the rules or not...

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ur a legend

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i read ur profile thing and it said ur a straight a student, guess what im the top graduate of my class! we’re smart people yay!

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ok ok stop that! Yuffi is very nice looking but she aint real.

Cid you reall really no how to piss me of yes Vincent could control Chaos thanks to the prota materia, and weiss was part of DG a unit called Shinras Shadow witch only Hojo Dr Gast and Ex President Shinra were awere of and are the elites of the elites, and your contradicting yourself my freind first by saying the Chaos vs Weiss fight owned everything FF to date then by saying that Chaos cannot defeat Cloud when Cloud could not defeat let alone scratch Russo???.


1. Cloud should have pawnd Russo

2. Weiss pawnd both Russo and Azul Full Power (transformed and there were three full powerd Russos)

3. Chaos vs Weiss was faster more gracefull and far more impressive than Cloud vs Sephiroth (in all respect).

4. Chaos took down Omega Weapon as in shuk the entire planet...infact go back watch all my links and tell me who would win kk.

5. Sephiroth is ace and is the respected number 1 badass of 7 but he has been seen to come nowere close to Weiss and Genasis in power and on the subject of Genasis dident he kill the guy who trained Sephiroth???

8. Genasis wing is mutch bigger than Sephiroths and was overly glorifide in a sence, made him seem more impressive than Sephiroth

9. i know you want Cloud to win as do alot of people but dont give in to the fanboyant side and look at whats right in front of you kk

10. in pure feats and powers Chaos owns Cloud and Cloud bearly but can defeat Sephiroth so id say it makes sence.

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screw them we luv yuffie!

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look pal Yuffie isnt real ok stop that

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If you don’t like the conversation then stay out of the bedroom



I don’t know why, I’m simply stating what I believe to be true.



I thought so, as I said I was checking because it’s been at least 4 months since I beat the game.



Yeah, I checked up on it last night, but that doesn’t make him stronger then Sephiroth. He is still weaker than Genesis who in turn is weaker than Sephiroth.



I said that Vincent and Weiss' fight was more impressive then everything I’ve seen to date. Cloud and Sephiroth’s fight in Advent Children was fairly impressive, almsost as impressive as Vincent’s bout. The problem is, Cloud and Sephiroth managed to have a very awesome fight even though Cloud was completely outmatched for most of said fight.



Yes, you’re right. Cloud should have pwned Rosso, but since Rosso was so fixed on finding Vincent she obviously didn’t stick around long enough.



Yeah, I know that but Rosse and Azul weren’t that strong to begin with. Vincent was able to take them both down without using Chaos, and in the game I took them down without using a single limit breaker. Just magic attacks and the Machine gun.



Yes it was more impressive, but it wasn’t far more impressive. Sephiroth and Cloud 'flew' around the city cutting buildings in half during their fight. I think cutting a building in half with a sword is very impressive.



I don’t need to watch the Links, I played and beat DoC about a week after it’s release. And I still believe that Cloud has a good chance of beating Chaos Vincent.



That’s nothing more then your opinion, since you hate me using logic and theories and argue I’ll provide hardcore proof that Weiss and Genesis aren’t anywhere near as strong as Sephiroth.

Genesis was the true entity behind the events of DoC. He was most likely using Weiss and Hojo to do his bidding for him, and at the end of DoC he appears and picks Weiss' body up spouting that there is still much work to be done.

So, even you must agree that Genesis was stronger then Weiss, and if you don’t then you’re contradicting what you said earlier.

Now Sephiroth and Genesis were both in Soldier at the same time, in the promotional art for Crisis Core they’re both seen standing together with Cloud, Zack, and Angeal.

ShinRa declared Sephiroth to be the greatest Soldier ever, which means he was better then Genesis.

Now you can and probably will dispute that, but the problem is if you do you contradicted yourself, because that uses only the facts laid out for us in the games, no speculation or theorization included.



That’s what I personally believe, the reports say that Angeal hunted Genesis down and killed him, but as we see in DoC almost 10 years after CC, it’s a lie.



The size of the Wing setting somebodies power is once again nothing but speculation. Other speculation says that since Sephiroth is so closely tied in with religion that the on his right side symbolizes that he is the right hand of God, whereas Genesis who’s Wing is on the left side is the lesser left hand of God.

The problem with both these theories is of course Angeal, who has not one but two Wings. Which using both theories would make him stronger then both Genesis and Sephiroth, which is unlikely.



First of all, you should know that I’m not a fan of Cloud. If you ask Derdev, Kev 360, and especially Tyreaus Rhade they’ll tell you that I’ve put Vincent in my signature and avatar not Cloud. (In fact, I still have it, it was the first set that I made using C4D renders, and it had the words “Soul Wrought of Tera Corrupt” on it. I don’t take sides in an argument just because I like the character. I weigh both’s faults and strengths then use that data to come to a logical decision.



As I’ve pointed out earlier in the post, defeating Sephiroth, even if barely, isn’t a feat to be taken likely. Vincent couldn’t defeat Sephiroth even in his Chaos form, if he could then the guys wouldn’t have had any trouble fighting against Sephiroth in the Northern Crater.

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yuffie! any more of those wuld b really nice

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1. i will

2. very well

3. good for you

4. Genasis would wtf pwn Sephiroth hands down as would Weiss a simple look at what we have seen shows us Sephiroth was beat by a lowly foot solider so Seph can stick his best in Solider up his ass.

5. Cloud beat Sephiroth...ON HIS OWN without materia Vincent even said to let him do it solo and thats in Advent, and Vincent DoC obviously pwnd that.

6. again you dont no that

7. i beat Sephiroth without any aids or teammates in FF7 so douse that make Sephiroth weak??? thought not Russo and Azul were meant to be Legendary Soliders and by there in game feats are there for proven to be both pysicaly and skilled opponents.

8. he cut the top and side of the building of as cloud clearly lands on the roof after there little skermish and what the hell is sliceing part of a building of to destroying the world they would be dead before they could react.

9. mabe in normal but not Chaos he wouldent even aproach him powering up like Russo.

10. omg this one is soooooo lame were as i belive Genasis is powerful, stronger than or having anything to do with Weiss is unproven i thought you were using facts?
also yes i belive they were in solider however nothing is said and Sephiroth was more like the face of shinra corp the hero saving the world while they planned world domination and had there experiments. meanwhile Genasis seems to no all Shinras dirty secrets and is like the shadow in the backround pulling strings so id say he is more powerfull and could be stronger than weiss but at the moment is he hell.


11. and there you have it Genasis beat the man who trained Sephiroth and still seems more impressive and powerfull.

12. guess it is speculation but an overly glorified 1.

13. ok fair enough but so far im not impressed.

14. now this is speckulation due to the simple fact no one knows what happened and at the begining of advent it shows Vincent in normal form in the battle against Sephiroth, i also belive Vincent could have beaten both Sephiroth and Sin Bahumut by the way he seemed to hardly break a sweat in A.C, but i guess he thoght Cloud needed it to defeat his demons something that plages him a great deal.

15. i think that i was quight fair, i could have tore it to shreds but i like Sephiroth and would love him to team up with Vincent and Cloud against Genasis and Co in the Final 7.

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la la la lala

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZW3_rmnIW4

Vincent vs Rosso

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mx3AGZa-iA

Migar War

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeH0gohLWq0

Crisis Core notice Cloud isnt a Solider like “I” said mr big shot FF 7 buff lol

and Genasis aint even a Solider???

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After further research I have learned that Cloud’s Rank and an MP isn’t even part of ShinRa’s militia, which is odd because the game says that he was a lowly foot soldier in the military. Apparently an MP is like a police officer, which puts Cloud at an even lower rank then suspected, but that in the end only helps my case by showing how much skill and power he’s obtained since that point in the game.

As for Genesis, he was in Soldier, that video didn’t say much about Genesis at all because not much is known about him due to Crisis Core not being out. But you can pretty much tell that Genesis is a high ranking member of Soldier because of his outfit, which you can observe in this image.



As you can see, he is wearing an outfit similar to Angeal’s and Zack’s underneath that Red coat of his. Oddly enough, even though Cloud is an MP he is also wearing a Soldier’s uniform in that image. Maybe what we’ve come to know about Cloud isn’t as true as we think, we’ll find out when Crisis Core is released in Japan within the upcoming months.

Overall that Video was very helpful though, because it only further proves me right about Sephiroth being stronger then Genesis.

I’ll respond to your other post later in the day when I have more time, but it would be really helpful next time if you could quote my post and break it down like I do yours. It makes it a lot easier to match up what you’re saying in comparison to my argument.

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Cid you really suck man,

1. i prove your wrong about Clouds rank and you turn it into a Cloud is all powerful speech.

2. And no Genasis is stronger look at it like this jack shit is known about him in refute to your claim he hardly fights and when he douse he kills Angeal Zack and Sephiroths Mentor hence he seems to posses skill beyond Sephiroth.

3. And all that Video did was show how a mere police officer could rise to beat Sephiroth.

its painfully obviouse Genasis is more powerful and is set to be the main bad guy in Crisis Core and in future FF7 titles.

Weiss was Hojos mind grafted into that body why would he make himself weaker than Sephiroth knowing Cloud would one day try to stop him, his one mistake was underestimateing Vincent and Lucretcia and the Chaos Gene that would come back to haunt him.

im sorry to be rude but i actually trust my own knolage over yours on 7 now that ive seen how many errors you have made my freind.

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Why? Is it because everything you say is failing to go anywhere?



You didn’t prove me wrong about Cloud’s Rank, in order to prove somebody wrong you must yourself know what you’re talking about, which apparently you didn’t. All you said was “Cloud isn’t in Soldier” you failed to provide any evidence to your claims whatsoever. I proved to you Shinra’s military organization was called Shinra. Speaking of which, after further research I’ve found that I’m still right, Cloud was in Solider. His rank is indeed MP, which stands for Military Police, which means he was indeed in Shinra’s military, which means he was a part of Soldier.



Once again you’ve managed to post nothing but speculation, where’s the proof? Or at least link your theory to some evidence like I do.

Crisis Core hasn’t been released yet, which means I don’t know much about Genesis and likewise, neither do you. You can argue all you want, but until CC is released I’m correct, all the facts point to Sephiroth being stronger. Anybody with any common sense could see that.

Also, why do you keep saying that Genesis killed Angeal? Is it because I said it in the other thread? I’ve already told you that was speculation, all we know for sure is that the reports say that Angeal killed Genesis. Not the other way around.



Yeah, but that Police officer just happened to be a Sephiroth Clone who was one of the strongest humans on the planet.



No it’s not, you seem to forget what Crisis Core is. It is the Story of Sephiroth, Zack, and Cloud, Genesis' role in CC will probably be either minimal or as a friend until close to the end of the game. As far as Genesis being the main antagonist in future FF7 titles, it’s possible, but I have another theory than that.



Hojo had little other choice then to take Weiss' body. Hojo scattered his DNA into the internet and seeked out a body, Weiss body was probably the strongest one he could find within the Shinra mainframe that wasn’t dead (FYI Sephiroth was thought to have been dead)




Point one error out to me and I’ll prove to you that it wasn’t an error.

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that guy standing in the middle, is he the one that when u were with sephiroth you thought you were him,

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1. no its because anyone who reads this argument will realise what a moron you are.

2. i have said Cloud wasnt a Solider all along you side changeing freak! and no Shinra own half the indistries on the planet so an MP is just another form of law inforcement at there disposal Cloud failed to get into Solider (since when was a police man a Solider) you suck majorly.

3. Sephiroth is the strongest in Shinras army yeah mabe back then, stop hanging on to that claim like it means anything, Cloud a low level grunt defeated him so stick it and no one knows about Genasis or DG apart from top Shinra officals so it hardly means anything because Shinras best havent even shown themselves yet.

4. this one takes the piss im the one who said Jeanova Cells made him stronger and you were all like “no materia douse Jeanova Cells dont make you powerfull or skilled”, your pathetic using my own sentiments why do i even bother.

5. obviously the main bad guy is always given a small chunk of the apple pie look at 7 and AC and that would put Genasis stronger than Sephiroth.

6. and you no that how??? oh theory got it play the fucking game you moron Hojo was always trying to copy dr Gasts work and make the ultimate Solider to seek recagnition, and he succeeded with Weiss DGs Ultimate warior making elites look like noobs.

7. you are an error with every post you contradict, change your mind and most of all dont supply links to your theorys like me, your full of shit you say i dont supply evidence that Vincent is more powerfull than Cloud and would win.

ill break it down,

1. Vincent beat Weiss in a battle that defies anything Sephiroth nevermind cloud have even attempted.

2. Weiss defeated 3 Rosso and a transformed Azul without even trying Cloud has been shown not to be able to even take on Rosso.

3. Vincent beat Omega Weapon in a show of power never seen in FFs long history.

4. so far nothing is known about Genasis apart from he is a shadow in Shinra and killed Angeal Sephiroth and Zacks master.

nuff said cant wait to see what bull you speak next time probably some warped twisty way that gos nowere but you try to make yourself seem smart but end up looking like a prat....you have not been a worthy opponent.