1.I was just wondering, how does cloud manage to defeat sephiroth time and time again, when sephiroth should outmach him with ease.
I know sephiroth can be overly confident and not battle with full strenght and thus lose and I think that’s a fair statement for the end of FFVII but in AC why would sephiroth make the same foolish mistake again??
Anyone any theories on how sephiroth manages to lose??
it might seem like I’m going off topic but if cloud can defeat sephiroth on a few occassions and even destroy his physical body(which zack a 1st class failed to do), then surely his power could therefore surpass vincents and possiblyu chaos . Maybe AC complete will shed more light on this and possibly cloud just managed to catch Sephiroth off guard in their AC battle.
Ilusa wrote:
1.I was just wondering, how does cloud manage to defeat sephiroth time and time again, when sephiroth should outmach him with ease.
I know sephiroth can be overly confident and not battle with full strenght and thus lose and I think that’s a fair statement for the end of FFVII but in AC why would sephiroth make the same foolish mistake again??
Anyone any theories on how sephiroth manages to lose??
it might seem like I’m going off topic but if cloud can defeat sephiroth on a few occassions and even destroy his physical body(which zack a 1st class failed to do), then surely his power could therefore surpass vincents and possiblyu chaos . Maybe AC complete will shed more light on this and possibly cloud just managed to catch Sephiroth off guard in their AC battle.
I think Cloud was able to defeat Sephiroth because he wanted to avenge the deaths of Aeris and Zack. Cloud had more willpower and was able to defeat Sephiroth with the Omnislash.
Ilusa wrote:
1.I was just wondering, how does cloud manage to defeat sephiroth time and time again, when sephiroth should outmach him with ease.
I know sephiroth can be overly confident and not battle with full strenght and thus lose and I think that’s a fair statement for the end of FFVII but in AC why would sephiroth make the same foolish mistake again??
Anyone any theories on how sephiroth manages to lose??
it might seem like I’m going off topic but if cloud can defeat sephiroth on a few occassions and even destroy his physical body(which zack a 1st class failed to do), then surely his power could therefore surpass vincents and possiblyu chaos . Maybe AC complete will shed more light on this and possibly cloud just managed to catch Sephiroth off guard in their AC battle.
Seph was playing with Cloud he wanted to torture him before he killed him, but Cloud surprised him with his new fighting style he had been working on in the past 2 years and the new Omnislash.
But Cloudwould need more than speed as Vincet has tangled with a few super fast customers (Russo,Shelk, and Vice).
Russo most likely could beat Cloud if she used her Multi Form attack but alas there fight was two short
Vincent was able to take down the Tsveits single handedly, Cloud couldn’t beat or drawed with Rosso, so this proves Vincent is stronger than Cloud, and Cloud was able to beat Sephiroth on his own, so this proves Vincent could kick Seph’s ass, even without Chaos. Also Vincent was able to beat Weiss (who I think is stronger than Sephiroth, seeing as how deepground is home to the most powerful beings on the planet) who was bonded to Omega, so if Vincent can defeat Weiss/Omega, and save the world, then this proves he’s better and cooler than Cloud and Sephiroth.
Honestly, dirge of cerberus gave vincent ridiculous physical abilities, just as advent children gave most of the characters the sudden unexpected ability to defy gravity. I don’t count either as realistically relevant to this debate. If we are taking realistic physical abilities into account then vincent is a frail frankenstein’s monster that turns into a beast now and then, and cloud would probably win quite easily. If we’re going by the newer material where vincent has become a ridiculous exaggeration then maybe vincent could win. Probably would. However, Clouds strength only ever emerges when something he cares about is threatened, therefore of course he had such a lacklustre fight in dirge. Personally, I believe that if for some completely inexplicable reason cloud and vincent were fighting, cloud would lose unless vincent was in some way jeopardising everything cloud cared for, then it would be a very different matter.
As for the argument earlier that Genesis is more powerful than Sephiroth, seriously, play Crisis Core and then try to say Genesis is stronger. It’s clearly not the case. Seriously, Zack defeated Genesis and it was only his mercy that kept Genesis alive. At that point, the only reason cloud got the better of sephiroth is that he surprised him with some serious reserves of strength. By the time FFVII occurs Cloud has had pretty much the same level of mako treatment as Sephiroth and he’s lived as a member of soldier for a year. So now he’s about as strong as Sephiroth, but with the same extra reserves and resolve as before to call upon when needed. Realistically Vincent only has mystic powers either through materia or when he is transformed, DoC flies in the face of that, but frankly the whole story is so easily dismissable from canon due to it’s lack of coherence with what we know to be true already. Crisis Core pretty much fits, with the exception of Genesis surviving to turn up in DoC, but even then, the Genesis at the end of DoC is so different from how he is in CC that I’m disinclined to rule out some sort of infection with Sephiroth’s genetic material through the lifestream.
Maybe I’m missing a few important points, but it’s just my take on it. Apart from the Genesis v Seph thing, that’s a total no-brainer.
You could also just point out that Choas and Vincent are NOT the same thing. Secondly, He loses Chaos’s power at the end of the game after he merges Chaos and Omega. Cloud still has ALL of his power.
It wasn’t Vincent himself that was being the badass speedster, it was the power of Chaos.
I say since this fight is between Vincent and Cloud... Cloud tears Vincent in half without breaking a sweat.
your wrong, iv been to the army, the reason you cant see a bullet is cos its very small, if it was at human speed you would very much see it move (youd catch a movment). for a human size form to move and not be AT ALL noticed it’d have to be about 36000 kph if u conculate the distance thay were not seen in the weiss fight..
more ever- cloude does dodge bullets, regulare bullets where slow even for zack.. but i would guess matiria bullets r faster- weiss dodges what? light fast shots? it looks like damn laiser...
and about a fight between them- just think of the fact that with no matiria cloud has nothing where chaos is a part of vimcent.. imo- vincent by far
i vote vincent nothing personal but you forgot to acount not only is chaos a god that is said to kill everything on the plannet for omega to transfer to another one but when vincent got impailed he regend instantainously acourding to yuffie not only but he is moving faster than the rays of light shown in the fight against weiss then there the death penalty that gun is just to focus his powers he made the beams himself they only made it have bullets to add to the chalange of the final battle if you notice vincent infused with the genova sells are what made him live for ever and made his body nearly indestructable so he could harbor chaos and if you notice in chaos form he has so much power it is litterly tarring up his body look at his cheek but i agree with darkness he never really turns into chaos in ff7 so we dont know if he knew how we never see vincent and sephiroth fight so we cant say that he did over all pown him as for speculation i would have to say something caused cloud to retreat o and if you notice he cant control chaos until he gets the protomateria back finally in advent children i am pritty sure it is after DOC he turns into chaos to save cloud so we know he can control him after that fight
iv read further and i agree with you sid on alot of stuff but never say red x thriteen is better than yuffie that defies all logtic the perfect team is vincent yuffie cloud and zack if he were alive
just because cloud can block bullets doesnt mean he can see them it just means that his sence of awareness is high you see bullets cant move around in diffrent directions they just go straight from the derection they were fired having advanced sensors you should be able to prodict were they are going to be a split second before they are there and no one ever said that genova scells dont inhance the brain to
alucard van jackal wrote:
just because cloud can block bullets doesnt mean he can see them it just means that his sence of awareness is high you see bullets cant move around in diffrent directions they just go straight from the derection they were fired having advanced sensors you should be able to prodict were they are going to be a split second before they are there and no one ever said that genova scells dont inhance the brain to
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im pritty sure that it is just omega not omega weapons in DOC im also pritty sure that what it ment by omega weapons is that he was teh strongest out of all the weapons tho that wasnt the case because i was never actually abal to beat the under water weapons when i beat all the others
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