Vincent Valentine vs Cloud Strife

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSLU-lVAJpY

Vincent vs Weiss (AC eat your heart out)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X4fikS8DVs

Omega Awakens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlpXhUbFC6o

Vincent vs Omega (shows he is the only one who could do it)

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You think that I’m a Moron? Well you want to know something? The person who begins to get upset in an argument is always the one who is losing. So I have an idea, I’ll make a thread, Darkness VS Cid, we’ll argue on these same topics and we’ll ask the members to determine who’s really the “Moron”.



Military police (MPs) are the police of a military organization.

Military police are concerned with law enforcement (including criminal investigation) on military property and concerning military personnel, installation security, close personal protection of senior military officers, management of prisoners of war, management of military prisons, hunting down AWOLs and deserters, traffic control, route signing and resupply route management. Not all military police organizations are concerned with all of these areas, however.

These personnel are generally not front-line combatants but, especially when directing military convoys, will be at or close to the front line. Some MPs, such as the US MP Corps, are used as the primary defense force in rear area operations.



Wikipedia Proves Cid Right Once Again



Now you’re making up shit to make me look bad, that really pisses me off more then anything else. I said that Jenova Cells doesn’t make a person more skilled, however I did say that it increased their physical abilities.



See? Dipshit?



How? How is it that just because Genesis came after Sephiroth is he stronger? Yuffie Came after Red XIII is she stronger then he as well?



Where does it say that Hojo had anything to do with Wiess before Dirge of Cerberus? Hojo didn’t even get into Weiss' body until the beginning of DoC. Deepground was a unit of Super Warriors created by President ShinRa. Now from your logic, Weiss is automatically stronger then Sephiroth because Weiss is a part of Deepground and Sephiroth wasn’t. So also by your logic this means that all members of Deepground are Stronger then Sephiroth, right? So that means Sephiroth was so weak that a mere member of the WRO could kill him? That’s real intersting Kei, I never would have known. You truly do know more about Final Fantasy then I do.



Ummm, I don’t supply links? I post Wikipedia articles at every chance I get. I quote from the games themselves, you on the other hand only post videos. You’ve posted two articles in out arguments, one linking to a site that created bullshit about an ancient that never existed and another linking to a wikipedia article that ended up proving me right.



And THAT my friend is solely your opinion and nothing more.



Once again, YOUR opinion, the fight between Rosso and Cloud wasn’t even shown to know what happened.



The fact that you think beating Omega Weapon is the biggest feat in Final Fantasy is also, an opinion. Omega Weapon was going to destroy the planet, big whoop! Sephiroth was too, who came closer? Omega who didn’t even get to begin it’s attack? Or Sephiroth who summoned Meteor?



We don’t even know if he killed Angeal you dipshit! When are you going to get it through your goddamned skull that CRISIS CORE HASN’T BEEN RELEASED YET!



You my friend have not been a worthy opponent for me, fucking Yusif gave me more of a challenge, at least he linked to more then just videos.

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(cleaning out ears) “im sorry was this owned vermin speaking to me”...???

ohh an MP is a police officer in the military you dont say...i said since when was an MP a Solider as in SOLIDER FF7 so onece again your not always right but once again your wrong.

ohh please make a Cid vs Darkness thread i havent toyed with small pray like you in sometime and am getting out of practise.

and onece again i said Jeanova Cells make Cloud Skilled and powerfull and if thats what u said??? why were we argueing about it???

lol dipshit

in A.C Sephiroth had a small chunk of the pie and in seven he was big but you really dont see him mutch i was showing that bad guys dont take mutch spotlight like Genasis so once again you miss the point.


1. Vincent beat Weiss in a battle that defies anything Sephiroth nevermind cloud have even attempted.


And THAT my friend is solely your opinion and nothing more.

...since when did sephiroth move like they did???

Darkness wrote: 2. Weiss defeated 3 Rosso and a transformed Azul without even trying Cloud has been shown not to be able to even take on Rosso.


Once again, YOUR opinion, the fight between Rosso and Cloud wasn’t even shown to know what happened.

but he did not win scratch her or beat her so valid it stands.


Darkness wrote: 3. Vincent beat Omega Weapon in a show of power never seen in FFs long history.


The fact that you think beating Omega Weapon is the biggest feat in Final Fantasy is also, an opinion. Omega Weapon was going to destroy the planet, big whoop! Sephiroth was too, who came closer? Omega who didn’t even get to begin it’s attack? Or Sephiroth who summoned Meteor?

obviously Omega Weapon meteor can be called by anyone with the black materia and is an extention not his own power...Vincent and Omega require no materia for there power nor douse weiss.

also Hojo grafted himself to Weiss because he forgot about deepground and when he rememberd he sent his nuro patterns down because...(his own words) “Deep Ground consists of the strongest fighters in the world”

well we will c in Crisis Core and see whos the dipshit and i can tell you can already taste it.

but of corse im worthy i have more to back up my claims anyone who sees my links will no Vincent will pwn Cloud and then look at u saying “but Sephiroth is the strongest Solider because G and DG arnt even known about but i dont care Shinra said it so it must be true even tho Sephiroth is shown not to have anywere near the pysical faness of Weiss and we havent even seen G yet i KNOW hes stronger and this fight aint even about Sephiroth but i persist in making it one cus im a huge fan boy and think hes ace and no matter what he is the best without proof of feats or anything that prooves him supperior in the least but i will continue to protend i no something everyone else dousent and ill pretend Omega getting beat by Chaos dident mean anything even tho Omega could wipe out the planet and Sephiroth can chop the side of a building of...there im done”

think that says it all mate???

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P.S look whos upset lol its “YOU"

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hmmm in the interest of fairness tell me y you think Cloud would win???

i wont bitch or wine i will however say what i agree with ok then we will break it down based on what we know kk, i mean FF 7 is legendery im not even close to being even considerd a fan my best bud Mike knows a shit load more than me he also thinks Sephiroth is the greatest 7 charicter i almost agree but Vincent is the main badass and looks less of a girl.

BUT in the interest of fairness im going of facts because Manchester Kev and Derdev have tought me that beyond prognosis is fact you must start out with the truth then work on that as a chain kk.

im not condasending to you here but you are 17 and i know what i know kk i can back up what ive been talking about through my links but the problem is theres no justification no matter what we say so lets be reasonable kk

1. hmmm from what i know Cloud wasnt origenally powerfull but the Jeanova Cells alterd him into the perfect genetic clone of Sephiroth correct so equil in potentiol but not in experiance Sephiroth is the more acomplished Warior kk.

lets start here lets combine knolage to come to a reasonable conclusion.

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Responding to you is actually quite useless now, so I’ll reply to only one thing.



http://www.moviecodec.com/topics/25976p1.html

What say you now when nobody thinks you’re right?

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ok and i wait for your reply here Der Deve is the only one there worth listening to as the others probably rate a 12 IQ and are cowards with nothing to say who sit on the sidelines watching and never take the asertive...there less than you....no thats not right Darkness Cid is..a..good..per..son AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

i wait for your reply

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...can i help u

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This final fantasy 7 theory confuses me

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whats so confuseing its simple

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Genesis (ジェネシス, Jeneshisu?): Originally known only as “G”. Genesis is a mysterious character who appeared in both Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus. He appears to have exceptionally bright mako eyes, and he bears a single wing on his left side, in contrast to the one Sephiroth bears on his right. His link to the Deepground organization suggests that his origins lie with the research performed by Lucrecia Crescent and Grimoire Valentine, rather than the later Jenova Project which produced Sephiroth. If one talks to one of the personnel aboard the Shera later in the game, he reveals that according to Scarlet private files, the DeepGround Soldiers are a result of his evolution. The “G Reports” also state that the Tsviets are the spawns of his evolution. Genesis was said to be pursued and taken down by a 1st-class SOLDIER whose identity is yet to be revealed. But in the Secret Ending of the game, Genesis is shown to be still alive and reclaims Weiss’s lifeless body, proclaiming that their work is not done. Screenshots and promotional art indicate he will have a central role in Crisis Core, possibly as a high-ranking member of SOLDIER, like Sephiroth once was. He is seen to wear SOLDIER gear beneath a long red overcoat. Though it has been rumored that the popular Japanese singer Gackt has been a model for many characters in the series, this is the first that is confirmed to be modeled after him.

The Restrictors: Members of the 14th unit of SOLDIER also known as the Lost Force and the former leaders of the Deepground before Weiss took over. The Restrictors destroyed Ragnarok, the 13th and previously strongest unit of SOLDIER, in a single night. Their weapons are two short gunblades. The Restrictors' leader governed over Deepground, implanting chips into the brain stems of all DGS recruits so they cannot turn against the group. The player character in the multiplayer mode is the exception to this, who was part of Weiss' plan to take control of the Deepground. At the end of the multiplayer mode, the entire Tsviet group & Argento managed to defeat Restrictor and take his place as the ruling force of the DGS. Though they succeeded, Restrictor’s leader attempted to kill Weiss with the virus implanted within him.

Tsviets
The Tsviets (ツヴィエート, Tsuviēto?, Cyrillic: Цве&#1090 are the highest ranking elite squad within Deepground and its chain of command. All of the members of the group are named after colors, hence the group’s name, which is based on Zvet, the Russian word for color. Five members appear in the single player mode, and at least one more member appears in the online mode.

Azul (アスール, Asūru?): A member of the Tsviets, known as “Azul the Cerulean”. He is 33 years old. His name means blue in Portuguese and Spanish. He first appeared in Before Crisis as a normal man who wanted to be a SOLDIER. Though it’s not known how he joined the Deepground, Azul was promoted very quickly as the final member of Tsviets. He uses a large cannon as his weapon, which suits his hulking form. He was one of three Tviests subjected to the Metamorphose experiment, assuming the form of the Behemoth-like Arch Azul (真・アスール, Shin Asūru?, True Azul) and killing his fellow guinea pigs to test their worth to the Deepground. He also appears to possess something similar to the “final attack-revive” materia combination within his body, as at least once per battle, he is revived from a fatal wound. He fought with Vincent three times and was finally killed when Vincent, in Chaos form, impaled him with his own cannon. Azul smirked that Vincent was more of a beast than he was.

Shelke Rui (シェルク・ルーイ, Sheruku Rūi?): A young girl who wields two energy EM sabers, she is 19 but looks much younger. The 4th recuit in the Tsivets, she is known as “Shelke the Transparent." Her name means orange in Urdu, a reference to her amber-colored eyes. She is Shalua’s younger sister. Commonly seen along with Azul, as she is helping him hunt down Vincent. She is the only member of the Tsviets that remains “colorless”, a plot point which is detailed in the storyline of the game’s multiplayer modes. Her ability’s call SND (Synaptic Net Dive or Sensitive Net Drive in Japanese version)) which allow her to create her residual image and dive into the network to negotiate with data on the subconscious planes of sentient life forms. At first, she has almost no emotions and feels little compassion. As Dirge of Cerberus progresses she becomes linked with the personality data of Lucrecia, and begins to feel and say what Lucrecia feels. She can move extremely fast as seen in the boss fight with her and during the Engine room event on the Shera airship. However, she loses most of her strength if she is not showered with Mako regularly.

Nero (ネロ, Nero?): the 2nd members of the Tsviets at age 23, called “Nero the Sable." His body is always covered in darkness, and the player can not see his figure clearly. The darkness Nero controls draws in everything like a black hole, and it is possible for only him to take them out of it. Later, Vincent is revealed to be the only person capable of entering and leaving Nero’s darkness, for his own darkness is apparently far deeper. It is said that the restraint like outfit he wears is to keep his power under control. His name means black in Italian. Nero is the biological younger brother of Weiss, the only successful experiment from G-Subtance injection while in the fetal stage, with his mother sucked into the darkness upon his birth. He is the one who secretly lead Deepground under Weiss’ name after the unification of Deepground when Weiss’ state became unclear to the remaining Deepground Soldiers. When facing Vincent a second time, he took Vincent to his world where he appeared as Arachnero (ネロ・ラフレア, Nero Rafurea?, Nero Raw Flayer) attached to a spider-like machine. Once defeated, he returned to his brother, only to stabbed by Weiss under Hojo’s control. After Weiss was beaten, Nero appeared and merged into Weiss, never wanting to be separated from him again. This, in turn, destroyed Hojo and his control over Weiss.

Rosso (ロッソ, Rosso?): The 3rd recuit of the Tsviets, known as “Rosso the Crimson”.Her name means red in Italian. She is 25 years old and was born in Deepground, Rosso wields a double bladed weapon which is also capable of bursts of gunfire. Rosso is dangerously psychotic as a result of her involvement with Deepground, and takes great pleasure in inflicting pain and violent death upon those she encounters. She scuffled with Cloud during the WRO’s assault on Midgar before finally encountering Vincent atop the ruins of the old Shinra building. Overconfident and egomaniacal to the end, Rosso denied Vincent 'the privilege of killing Rosso the Crimson' (in her own words) by collapsing the portion of the building she was standing on, causing her to plummet to her death. She speaks with a noticeable Russian accent in the English version.

Argento (アルジェント, Arujento?): One of the members of Tsviets seen only in the Japanese multiplayer mode. Her job is not to fight, but rather to “watch and observe” as an instructor. She does carry a sword as her weapon. She conspired with Weiss to overthrow Restrictor. She has an eye-patch over her left eye. Argento means silver in both Latin and Italian.


Weiss (ヴァイス, Vaisu?, romanized as Vice in the Japanese language version): A mysterious SOLDIER who commands Deepground, declaring a hunt on the world three years after the Meteor crisis. Weiss means white in German. Called “Weiss the Immaculate” he received the title of emperor as he is the strongest Tsviet as well as the first, making all Deepground soldiers fear his power, and follow him, but it’s said that they rarely see him directly. He has spiky gray/silver hair and wields two katana-rifle hybrids (sometimes referred to as “gunblades” by fans, though they’re notably different from the Final Fantasy VIII weapons that are officially referred to by that name). He has all of the other Tsviet members' abilities (including Shelke’s SND) within himself. At the time of the revival festival of Kalm, the worldwide network that broken since the meteor disaster is fully restored. The fragments of Hojo’s digitized mind that got spread over before were about to reform a simulation of Hojo himself. He then invaded Weiss' body when the man was in SND to find the cure to the time released virus the Restrictors had infected him with to control him, set to kill him within 3 days if the Restrictors' signal disappears. Hojo, through Weiss’s body, had the Deepground abduct those not under the effects of Geostigma to serve as incubators of enough pure Mako to enable Weiss to absorb Omega as well as trick the Planet into summoning it. The Mako-influence gave Wiess abilities far beyond Vincent’s and was easily able to overcome him. But Vincent was able to turn the tables by using his Chaos power to defeat Weiss. Once defeated, Nero, who had been watching, wanted to merge with his “brother." Hojo vainly ordered Nero to stop, knowing he wouldn’t be able to control Omega with an impure being inside him. Neither Weiss nor Nero cared and Hojo was finally destroyed as Nero integrated into Wiess, who then envoked Omega’s power. Weiss was later killed by Vincent in Chaos form. However, Weiss’s body was carried off by an awakened Genesis who told his “brother” that they “Still have much work to do."

Omega WEAPON: The “harvester of souls." The final WEAPON that activates whenever a huge calamity eliminates a large amount of life. Following such an event, Omega then would emerge and absorb all of the Lifestream from the planet and carry it into the universe. The Planet itself would then be reduced to a lifeless ball of dirt and crumble. Dr. Lucrecia Crescent has researched Omega and Chaos, along with Grimoire. Hojo attempted to use Lucrecia’s research on two occasions (the first leading his mutation after injecting himself with Jenova cells), with the second attempt gathering all non-Geostigmatic people to serve as a sacrifice to trick the planet into awaken Omega. Hojo intended to use Weiss as his host to merge with Omega, but Nero’s intent to be one with his brother ruined Hojo’s plans and exposed Omega to the tainted Lifestream. The result of this made Omega hostile and a bringer of destruction. Omega’s body seems to vaguely resemble the Greek character Omega, a frequent symbol for an end.

some backround info on doc charicters

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You know you cloud have just linked back to Wikipedia instead of copying and pasting everything.

Alphakennyone: What Darkness posted was all from Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus. If you’d like to know a hell of a lot about the original game and Advent Children I suggest you check out the Translations from the FF7 Ultimania Omega. It’s where I learned a lot of what I used to argue against Darkness, well the Ultimania and common knowledge of FF7.

I also recommend reading Squall of Seed’s FF7 Plot Analysis, I’m not sure if he’s changed it since I proved to him that Sephiroth was controlling Jenova or not but still it’s a great way to learn about the game and see what’s really underneath all the confusion that the game can bring.

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well due to that information id say Weiss clearly outranks Sephiroth, he beat the ristrictors an organisation o Solider that wiped out the stongest divishion of solider in a single night.

need i remind you he poseses all his comrads abilitys and Cloud could not beat Rosso.

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1. Nothing in your articles lead to believe that Weiss outranks Sephiroth.

2. I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again. Cloud and Rosso’s fight only lasted about 5 seconds, we saw them clash blades and that is it. We have no idea what happened, however if you’ll refer to this link you’ll find that amongst the Final Fantasy fans the most popular answer is that the fight is interrupted. Now if you have any better proof to say that Rosso beat Cloud then I will admit defeat, until then however, their battle was interrupted.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSLU-lVAJpY

1. Vincents reaction time is that good Weiss moves at full speed at the start but vincents gun is there to meet him head on.

2. Vincent moves so fast he leaves an after image being in two places at onece

these to things lead me to belive Cloud cannot keep pace with Vncent

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And we’ve seen Cloud dodge bullets, which means Cloud reaction time is faster then the speed of sound.

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ehem he blocked them and was shot at the end of A.C so i belive Vincent owns.

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ps speed of sound is nothing compared to Chaos speed

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Go back and watch the fight between Cloud and the Silver haired men in the Ancient Forest, you’ll see that dodges and blocks the bullets. A long time ago, like you I kept claiming that Cloud only blacked them with his sword, but after studying AC I noticed him jumping and doing flips to avoid the bullets as well.

Also, you don’t know how fast Chaos moves, all we know is that you couldn’t see his movement against Weiss, however you can’t see the movement of a bullet either and Cloud dodged them.

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