Vincent was already an acomplished Guns Expert before Cloud was even born 30 years prior FF 7 he was a Turk someone who dealed in assasinations espinage and kidnapping, he was like an elite who also spotted potentiol people to become Soliders and Turks were the personal body Guards of top shinra officals this and the fact there payed more leads me to belive Turks are better skilled or equil to SOLIDERS.
he was already 27 when he was shot by Hojo and was infused with Mako and Jeanova Cells just like in SOLIDER he underwent the same treatment.
He was then given G-Cells (also known as Chaos Cells) whitch alowed Chaos to become one with him in a test born of Lucretcias desire to let Vincent live and test her claims on the chaos Omega theroy.
however the beast inside broke out so she used the Prota Materia to contain and control Chaos inside Vincent.
anyway by the time Vincent met Cloud he was 57 years old,
Cloud is 21 and a failed Solider and has underwent normal Solider treatment and is stronger and more durable than a normal man he is skilled with a sword due to J-Cells and is a Sephiroth Clone.
Vincent is a skilled Turk Gunslinger, with exstenssive milatery training has increased strenth due to Mako and G-Cells and thanks to Hojo has a near indestructable body,
he is agile and his cape alows him flight in normal form as seen in A.C.
he also seems to be skilled in hand to hand combat another thing Cloud is without if Cloud loses his sword thats all she wrote.
Speed Vincent can also doge Bullets in normal form as seen in Dirge against Rosso and Weiss so in Chaos his speed alone can doge anything Cloud could throw at him in Chaos he cannot be seen like Weiss.
in reaction time Vincent can outrun explotions,swords,bullets and doge Just about anything thrown at him.
Accuracy he shoots things in mid air and always nails vital points on chopers men on speed bikes killer dogs fliying through the air and more.
Endurance HELLO he had part of his chest riped out and still fought on,gets battered all over by Azul and gets up without a scratch.
skill if you havent worked it out yet Vincent
intelligence, Vincent knows about Geostigma, Sephiroth, Shinra, he knows about Kadaj is a remnant of Sephiroth and apears wiser than Cloud and is the voice of reason in the Group, also he passed his Turk exam a higher level exam than SOLIDER and Cloud failed.
Power, omg Vincent anialated Omega Weapon a being that would have wiped out the earth in a single blow shaking the earth, he can fire intence blasts and his aura sends Russo flying.
Abilitys beyond the fact they both use materia Vincent flys blasts and tranceforms.
anyway there about the same in strenth intill Chaos, in speed the same intill Chaos, in reaction Vincent, in Acuraccy Vincent,Endurance Vincent,skill Vincent,Intelligence Vincent,power Vincent,ability Vincent,and DAM RIGHT COOLNESS VINCENT!!!!
To Darkness: You need to chill man and actually pay attention beyond your scope of reality. You have taken this futher than it needed to go. What I’m trying to say is that everything about Genesis at this point is speculation ,but the future will tell. I’m not trying act smart or say I know everything but I know enough. Anyways Cid got my attention not because of what he knows or doesn’t know but because he remained calm and wrote what he believes.Later.
why thank you Joemann08 that was very kind of you, and i have stated on the previose pages that i wont blight anyone on here for oppinion again i have seen my error lol, now im mearly using what i know kk
Thank you for your compliments Joemann, but I’m afraid I have indeed lost cool several times, they may not have shown that much, but I wasn’t calm at every waking moment of this argument.
Darkness, I’m through with this debate, that’s why I haven’t posted anything in retaliation to you. This argument is going nowhere and unless Square Enix releases information to prove one of us wrong then it never will go anywhere. Neither of us was right about Genesis and neither of us was right about Sephiroth or Wiess being stronger because right now it’s all opinionated, and until we learn about Genesis more we’ll never know who is correct in the matter.
The same goes for Cloud and Vincent, deny it as much as you want, but there is no evidence that leads somebody who knows as much as I do about Final Fantasy to believe that Vincent is stronger then Cloud, but likewise there isn’t much to say that Cloud is stronger.
So as of this moment I quit this argument because it’s useless and only wasting my time.
I think Vincent in Chaos Form is Faster, as for being stronger and more powerful, I can’t say I do. I don’t like Cloud anywhere near as much as I like Vincent (hell, My Myspace is decked out with Vincent stuff not Cloud.) But I can’t see Vincent beating Sephiroth like Cloud did. (Actually I don’t believe Cloud can beat Sephiroth either but that’s an entirely different theory)
lmao cool yeah if it wasnt for the main always winning Seph would own, so Cloud vs Vincent seriously to the death whos walking away with the victory in your eyes?
Yeah, Cid as in the airship pilot, you remember his final limit break at the end of FF7, he uses the airship to bombard his enemy with a crap load of missles
As for me thinking Cloud would win, I just believe he’s stronger overall. He overcame quite a bit in his life time, and he’s proven himself to be exceptionally strong despite the fact that he was a low ranking soldier in Shin-Ra’s military. If he was first class his feats would be that amazing, but since he’s just a grunt/footsoldier/mp/whateverthefuckyouwannacallhim it makes the feat just that much more impressive. Vincent was a Turk, I expect him to excel in everything, so to me he isn’t as impressive as Cloud.
point taken Cloud has excelled given he wasnt all that impressive in terms of...Job Description but i ask you did having Jeanova Cells making him a Sephiroth Clone have anything to do with his skill?
I’m fairly certain that his having Jenova Cells has nothing to do with his “skill” and a warrior. Jenova Cells did three things to the person they’re injected into.
1. Made them physically stronger
2. Made them much harder to kill
3. Allowed Sephiroth to control their mind to some degree
Having J-Cells doesn’t make one a more skilled combatant, that is why I theorized that Cloud had to have been trained at some point by somebody who used a blade.
hmmm but dident Sephiroth also excell through the ranks of Shinras military forces, and if Cloud only seemed to become more talented after the whole Last Order business it seems a little bit you know coinsidental wouldent you say.
also i thought it was Jeanovas will that was controling Sephiroth im not sure tho?
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hmmm but dident Sephiroth also excell through the ranks of Shinras military forces, and if Cloud only seemed to become more talented after the whole Last Order business it seems a little bit you know coinsidental wouldent you say.
also i thought it was Jeanovas will that was controling Sephiroth im not sure tho?
Sephiroth did excel through the ranks of Soldier, but he was also trained since childhood. Cloud will probably show some degree of skill in Crisis Core since he and Zack are the main characters (more so Zack then Cloud).
And Sephiroth was controling Jenova the entire time. In fact, the Sephiroth that is seen in FF7 throughout most of the game is actually Jenova disguised as Sephiroth. (the Ultimania said so)
So that means that the entire time, Jenova was trying to get the Black Materia to hand over to Sephiroth.
ohh yeah dident Sephiroth use Jeanova to escape Shinra Head Quaters?
also apparently Weiss was a high ranking SOLIDER before he went into D.G?
and you got any knolage on the Restrictors aparently he wiped out the strongest unit in SOLIDER (Unit 14 or something) and it took all of D.G to defeat him along with Weiss?
Sephiroth was never in Shin-Ra Headquarters, it was Jenova who killed President Shinra.
I wouldn’t doubt it
I don’t know much about the Restictors, they came in the online missions for Japan in DOC right? Well here in the states we didn’t get those missions, and I haven’t got around to looking them up yet.
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