Vincent Valentine vs Cloud Strife

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Vinny beat him.

Sephiroth rocks as well, who beat him?

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yawn Cloud did

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And what point did that make to this argument?

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the fact that Weiss is stronger mabe???

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year Cloud may have beat Sephiroth But look at the list of aponents that vinsent has gon frow Russo, Weiss, Azul and ow year omeger weopen the strongest out of all the weopens and the last defens for the planet

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thanks Raven i was just coming to that Vincent has beat a far greater range of more impressive oponents.

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Non of whom have been shown to be stronger then the foe that Cloud faced. Remember, Sephiroth’s summoning of meteor is what woke the original weapons, that shows just how big of a threat he really was.

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ehem no just meteor and it dident exactly call Omega did it so not really that impressive and as i remember Sephiroth was only able to do 6000 damage or something and wasnt really max level?

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Damage doesn’t matter, in FF 10 you can deal tens of thousands of damage with Wakka in one strike. And Meteor didn’t call Omega because Omega didn’t exist at the time. Square Enix didn’t come up with the concept of Omega until DoC, if Omega was in the original FF7 he’d have awakened when Meteor was summoned.

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no excuse if Deep Groun existed they would have been there to so in cronolegy Omega was a bigger threat.

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Exskus me there Sid Did you just say that Roth was more of a fret then Weiss so what he used matery to summen a meteor Weiss summened omeger weopen for crast sake

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so time is 7 greatest down fall because Omega is the biggest threat,

1. Sephiroth alone is powerfull being fitted with Jeanova Cells and the top ranking SOLIDER,but Weiss was also a SOLIDER and fited with the G Cells he was also an elite member of Deep Ground and there leader so DG must be of higher Class than SOLIDER as Restricter destroyed the strongest in SOLIDER and DG defeated him.

i think thats a valid point

2. Hojo attempted to merge with Weiss as he possed all of DGs top fighters abilitys and was there strongest (personel note: DG is said to hold the strongest fighters on the planet)this and the fact Weiss became one with Omega rather in the same sence Vincent is one with Chaos makes me belive he is the bigger threat, he was literally a god like Seph wanted to be and if Vincent feeds of the power of Chaos as Weiss douse Omega then Weiss also was amplified by Omega saping the life stream.

this is important as that was Sephs plan that he did not suceed.

3. Vincent went toe to toe with Weiss so he must be as fast powerfull and skilled, and even took out Omega and Meteor was strong but it wasnt really Sephs own strenth like Weiss and Vinni so in pure undinied power Vinni and Weiss are indeed stronger.

as for Cloud he beat Seph so id say hes in with a shout but statistically hes outclassed.

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Okay, it’s a bit difficult to understand what you’re saying... but I’ll try still.


Sephiroth was indeed a bigger threat then Weiss. Wiess summoned Omega, Omega was the threat, not Weiss, but even Omega wasn’t as great of a threat as Sephiroth was. Omega was going to absorb the lifestream and fly to another planet to transplant the lifestream into it, this recreating the planet and destroying Gaia, the planet it took the energy from.

Now that does seem like a huge threat, the only problem is, it couldn’t acquire all the spirit energy. Soul wrought of terra corrupt, quelling impurity, purging the stream to beckon forth an ultimate fate. Behold mighty Chaos, Omega’s squire to the lofty heavens”. It is Chaos' duty to act as the harvester of life when the end comes, by destroying all of the planet’s lifeforms, thus returning all spirit energy to the Lifestream so that it may be absorbed into Omega.

Since Vincent was in total control of Chaos, he refused to fulfill Chaos' requirement. Making Omega relatively useless and not a threat whatsoever. As Vincent travels inside Omega he is able to defeat Weiss, causing Omega to begin leaving the Planet with what little lifestream it managed to obtain.

So as you can clearly tell, Omega never was a threat because Chaos would never fulfill the requirements to purge the planet of life.



Sephiroth on the other hand had a completely different agenda.

“It’s simple. Once the Planet is hurt, it gathers Spirit Energy to heal the injury. The amount of energy gathered depends on the size of the injury... What would happen if there was an injury that threatened the very life of the Planet? Think how much energy would be gathered! Ha ha ha. And at the center of that injury, will be me. All that boundless energy will be mine. By merging with all the energy of the Planet, I will become a new life form, a new existence. Melding with the Planet... I will cease to exist as I am now... Only to be reborn as a 'God' to rule over every soul. “

Sephrioth’s original plan was to cause an injury so massive to the planet that he’d be able to feed off the energy used to heal it and become a God. This was the idea when he summoned Meteor, the Black Magic would have nearly destroyed the planet, thus leading into the second fulfillment that he made in Advent Children.

“The last thoughts of Geostigma’s dead... those remnants will join the lifestream and circle the planet; choking it; corroding it. What I want, is to sail the cosmos with this planet as a vessel. Just as Mother did long ago. Then one day we’ll find a new planet and on it’s soil we’ll create a shining future.“

Approximately two thousand years before the main events of the original game, Jenova arrived on the Planet, having traveled through space on a meteor. Its landing rendered a giant wound to the Planet that would later come to be known as the “Northern Crater," a blight on its surface to which the Planet would channel its Lifestream in an effort to heal even up to the beginning of the game.

Sephiroth was going to reenact this plan, which would not only have destroyed Gaia but countless other planets as well.


I think that Sephiroth was a much larger threat then Weiss ever was, now that you know all of that don’t you agree?

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not at all,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_(Final_Fantasy)

the weapons were the planets defence against Jeanova and Omega is the most powerful, he only awakens when it sences the planets end...hence Seph never came close.

next the weapons in FF7 are all more powerfull than Sephiroth is and Omega is more so than them.

hence Weiss is stronger, and you say Weiss was not the threat...well Neither was Sephi Meteor was the true threat but he would have become one if he had suceeded.

also my points ubove still stand.

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Darkness, I would suggest reading what’s in the link before you go posting it. Remember what happened the last time you did a link? I used your own Link to substantiate my claims, and once again I’ll do the same.

Omega Weapon is the final and most powerful Weapon to be activated and appears in Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII. It has a humanoid torso with four feather-blade wings and three segmented tentacles from the waist down. The wings glow and further extend and become longer than Omega itself when it is departing to the void of space. While the other Weapon creatures were made to protect the Planet, Omega was made to absorb the Lifestream and unite all life on the Planet into itself, before departing for another world to transplant the Lifestream.

However, it can only be activated when the Planet detects its end is near. In Dirge of Cerberus, the Deepground SOLDIERs intended to activate Omega, using the research provided by Grimoire Valentine. However, Vincent Valentine held the key item to that plan, the ProtoMateria that grants control of Chaos, Omega’s “squire to the lofty heavens”. It is Chaos' duty to act as the harvester of life when the end comes, by destroying all of the planet’s lifeforms, thus returning all spirit energy to the Lifestream so that it may be absorbed into Omega. Omega and Chaos have been described as brothers who are the anti-thesis of one another, a concept that is somewhat similar to Cloud and Sephiroth.

In the course of Dirge of Cerberus, the Tsviet Weiss became one with Omega as Vincent is to Chaos. However, due to Nero integrating with Weiss prior to it, Omega became corrupted. As Vincent travels inside Omega he is able to defeat Weiss, causing Omega to begin leaving the Planet with what little lifestream it managed to obtain. However, Vincent, using the power of Chaos, is able to neutralize Omega in a purple kamikaze attack, returning both spiritual beings to the Planet until they are truly required.

Do those bolded parts look familiar? They should, everything I posted came either from Wikipedia’s info on Omega weapon or quotes from the game/movie.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_(Final_Fantasy)#Omega_Weapon[/url]

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omg i just wrote a massive list of things to say and an error eraised them.

well i was gonna say lets show feats in

strenth: pysical strenth

Speed: fastest movement

Power: show of power

Reflex: reaction time

Skill: with weapon

with Seph Cloud Vinni and Vice (his American Title)

also my other point was Ruby and Emerald both had more power than Sephiroth did in Seven and Omega did more so in effect Vice was stronger through his connection like Vincent plus he was reborn through a pure life stream and became Omega Vice and merged with his Brother Nero.

another Point was the fact of Restrictor defeating the strongest members in SOLIDER in a single night and Weiss defeated and killed him becomeing the leader of DG a feat that i think puts him on par with Sephi.

also i missed the fact that Vincent Fought Vice Equily in Strenth Speed and Skill, and Cloud bearly held his own against Sephiroth, not to mention the whole Rosso vs Cloud mystery whatever happened neither was hurt and Vice ownd 3 of her and a transformed Azul without any problem and this is before the Omega Boost so id say Vice was deffinatly beyond Cloud for this alone.

also i belive Weiss was stronger due to the whole he was a SOLIDER joined DG is an Evolved being from the experiment that created Genasis and became (in his own words) a God after his merging with Omega he dident even have to doge Vincents Bullets he mearly knocked them from the air showing incredible speed.

but Sephiroth is so big as of late that people think its inpossible for anyone to have surpassed him due to being Squere Enix ultimate badass but the info all leeds to Vice being more powerful but mabe in future this might all be bought to light.

i really hope this one gets through lol (fingers crossed)

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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2858734628882355624&q=Vincent+Fights

wow this is cool Vincent shows of his agility dogeing Heavy Machine gun fire runing up the side of a train leeps of a lampost then shows some cool moves on some jet pack loser and acuratly takes him out with the gun...oh yeah he beats Rosso to lol.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6487546652729341787&q=Vincent+Fights

brilliant one were Vincent avoids many explotions before dismantleing a spider droid in style nailing its weak points, then theres some talking with Cloud Barret and Tiffa about how Vincents so cool lol, then Vinni fights Azul who is impressed enuff to transform is beaten again so he gathers up alot of mako from somewere and nails Vincent off guard showing endurance.
he then lets Chaos lose moving unseenly and converts all of Azuls Mako energy into himself transforming, he then shows uf his strenth lifting Azuls weapon with ease and impailing him with it then blasting him straight to hell (he also laughs on the way down whats with that first Rosso then him???)

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8741725944315929708&q=Vincent+Fights

This one shows how slow bullets move to Vice as they get right near his head before he slashes them, then shows Vincent avoid them but then is floored, he then attempts to go all out before Vice absorbs the Life Stream but fails and almost releases Chaos who is repelled by Vice easily.
he then uses the Prota meteria to call on Chaos strenth while in his human form showing his reflex at dogeing debris and then Vices swords and finally dogeing his slash and moving that fast he is gone seconds before the dust settles.



http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5519686642445388172&q=Vincent+Fights

I think this is a fantastic one it shows Vincents Agility as he moves through tunnles, Speed when he matches Vice moving his gun to follow him and get him point blank in the head this of corse misses and Vice gets behind Vinni but more amazingly Vinni leaves an after Image and is behind Vice who doges a bullet right at the back of his head he then calls forth Omegas Power witch it would seem Vincent also beats (yet he douse not laugh poor Vice).

here we go these will do for now kk

1. Vincent faster

2. Vincent stronger

3. Vincent more Powerful

4. Vincent more Agile

5. Vincent more skilled

6. Vincent better reflex

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Wow Biased much are we?


Look, your little speech above was nice and all, but the key factor is the fact that in the original Final Fantasy VII, Sephiroth was the toughest enemy in the game. Ruby Weapon and Emerald Weapon were both American exclusives up until 2005, before that, the original Japanese game lacked those two weapons. And even if they were in the original game the fact that they’re harder to beat means nothing.

Most FF games to date have had a secret boss that’s even tougher then the main boss. It became somewhat of a staple in FF games, but that doesn’t mean they’re more powerful then the main enemy. Those additional bosses were added for one reason, to challenge the gamer. You see, I have a tougher time defeating the Ruby Weapon then I do Omega in DoC. Once again, by your own logic this makes the Ruby Weapon the strongest enemy in the FF7 franchise, but that contradicts the truth, that Omega was stronger then Ruby. You also mention how Cloud struggled with Sephiroth, well, it’s because Sephiroth is the strongest character in the FF7 universe.

Argue as you might that Weiss is stronger, but it’s not true. I’ve proven in the other thread it’s not true, and you haven’t done anything to counter them. To be honest it’s really getting annoying because you don’t really respond to my arguments, you just bring up more stuff for me to argue against, which isn’t really how it works. If we were in an actual debate like they have in schools you would have lost by now.

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erm...ok actually read the rules you set i belive flaming is a rule of expultion (read what you first wrote in your last reply).

secondly i wont lower myself to argue with that my freind your frustration is a clear factor towards being disproven if thats the case i am happy, also whats so wrong with what im saying its a valid argument im well awear of the update but wernt updates also added to Dirge???

and as for the weapons being added they were still made consistently stronger than Sephiroth also the DoC crew were well awear of the Ruby Emerald weapon update and still label Omega the most powerful.
The weapons were my way of showing Vices large power supply in comparison to Sephis.

also you seem to always say you have proven somewere between the text that Sephiroth is stronger???...i dont do that ive been proving it just three comments back and the one after and am still proving it right here everything i just said totally slaps you in the face and kicks you in the bollocks crying the truth.

i havent ducked any questions so far if you belive that prosent them but make sure it is relavent i hate it when someone rambles on about cooking when the covos on english lit lol.

anyway i can tell by your in ability to counter the ubove statement shows weakness so i am satisfied for now i bid you good day.

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FAVORITE COMMENTS LOL:

1. Wow Biased much are we (first blood)

2. Look, your little speech above was nice and all (the old whatever you say dont matter cus i say so trick lol)

3. And even if they were in the original game the fact that they’re harder to beat means nothing.(erm...YEAH there stronger)

4. You see, I have a tougher time defeating the Ruby Weapon then I do Omega in DoC. (Denile such a terrible thing)

5. Sephiroth is the strongest character in the FF7 universe. (Wow Biased much are we)

6. Argue as you might that Weiss is stronger, but it’s not true (so says you man thats amazing Cid what a convincing story)

7. be honest it’s really getting annoying (hey truth hurts pal)

8. If we were in an actual debate like they have in schools you would have lost by now. (belive what you want to)

lol keep it up Cid