Etain wrote:
Heh very true bahaha. Not to mention Aussie-land was originally people with convicts (sorry firewolf I just had to say that lol)
No thats fine, it is the truth afterall. The English invaded Australia and killed a great many Aboriginies and that is something we are working through right now. we call it re-conilliation, where we are giving the aboriginal people back their land that we stole. that in its self would make a great debate topic if there were more Aussies on here, but i seem to be the only one *sniff*
See i strongly disagree with what the english did, however i can say that i in no part, even through my ancesstors was responsible. I have very strong German and Austrian Heritage. infact my ansestors have only been in Australia for less than 80 years.
its not just land that u stole. its lives uve killed. can u give that back to them? fuck no. u can never fully repay them. and thas tha truth.
and now uve got foreigners invading “ur country”. these people have killed no one. none of ur country men. these people arnt taking ur land. they want jobs, they want food to feed their family, they want to live. is it theyre fault that theyre country is fucked up?
and then u speak of how ungrateful they are. what u should think about is “how grateful are YOU?". give a little, would u.
Its no more their fault that their country is in war and peril, than it is my fault that all those Aboriginal people died and lost their land.
true. what i wanted to point out is illegal immigrants arnt “tad ungratful”. they only come to ur country to have better lives. i dont know if u know this but, if u live in a poor country and rode a plane and came back, people will think ur rich(i know cuz i have relatives in poor countries). thay cant afford a better life, so they have to break laws to get it. i dont know u but ill presume u have a house, food in ur fridge, clothes, uhave a job/ur parents have a job. are u greatful for those things? give those to immigrants and theyll be happy.
Just wanted to bring up a point that hasn’t been yet:
Often, people fleeing their country are given false information about what it will be like when they arrive.
example:
Some people may sell everything they have to secure them selfs on a boat that will take them to a 'better land'. Of course the guy who takes their money has told them this and assured them that everything will be fine. (there’s a lot of other nasty stuff that goes on in that type of business but I wont get into it now)
So, if you arrive and are detained you may feel you are being unjustly so. And of course, freedom is generally ranked quite high in terms of importance for most people.
Imagine going to another country, breaking a law that was legal in yours and then spending years in prison(I know this is not the same, but just a way to look at it differently)
We all sit here on our high horses dibating these things but if we didnt help these people we would shout from the highest roof tops telling our goverments to help.
well here in Canada we take it to another step, we take them and then we are oubligated to respect there belefs, but they dont respect ours...
example they other day on tv, there was this muslim woman that got arrested by a female police officer,,,,,well she demanded to see a man, she wouldn’t even talk to the woman police...
now that is sexist,,,,here but over in there contry it is not, so a judge said just let her be arrested by a man,,,,
now where is that a good thing
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mimi38 wrote:
well here in Canada we take it to another step, we take them and then we are oubligated to respect there belefs, but they dont respect ours...
example they other day on tv, there was this muslim woman that got arrested by a female police officer,,,,,well she demanded to see a man, she wouldn’t even talk to the woman police...
now that is sexist,,,,here but over in there contry it is not, so a judge said just let her be arrested by a man,,,,
now where is that a good thing
are you saying that you have a problem with respecting the beliefs of others?
mimi38 wrote:
well here in Canada we take it to another step, we take them and then we are oubligated to respect there belefs, but they dont respect ours...
example they other day on tv, there was this muslim woman that got arrested by a female police officer,,,,,well she demanded to see a man, she wouldn’t even talk to the woman police...
now that is sexist,,,,here but over in there contry it is not, so a judge said just let her be arrested by a man,,,,
now where is that a good thing
are you saying that you have a problem with respecting the beliefs of others?
I think she feels that there is a double standard (But of course mimi can answer that herself I suppose!)
firewolf81 wrote:
Over in Australia we have alot of problems with 'BOAT PEOPLE' That is, people who flee their country on a little boat, sail over to Australia and try to enter the country illeagaly. We then catch them and then detain them in Detention Centres till they can be protested and sorted out.
Now these people claim that the conditions where they come from are soo bad that they had to flee or die, yet they complain about being locked up, fed, sheltered, given pay tv, clothing ect saying that they should be free. They even kill them selves in protest...WTF
Anyhow, DEBATE THIS TOPIC...
Welcome to America (Mexican problem). I’m not quite sure what the problems are in Australia but here in the U.S. I would say most of the problem is the dirt-bags that hire the Mexicans for cheap labor and pay “under the table” (no tax withholding) is a main reason they come here. F8ck, I say throw the contractors that hire them in jail for all I care. Problem solved if they can’t legally work.
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Last edited 30 Jan 2007 03:13 pm by Xtrm Liability
I swear I could drive through my neighborhood which is a new subdivision and find at least 50 to 100 Juan’s and Edgardo’s working illegally for peanuts building houses, mowing lawns, etc.. You will see one white man which is usually the business owner or the general contractor and hand full of Mexican that don’t speak English nor do they pay taxes. They’re everywhere around here.
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Xtrm Liability wrote:
I swear I could drive through my neighborhood which is a new subdivision and find at least 50 to 100 Juan’s and Edgardo’s working illegally for peanuts building houses, mowing lawns, etc.. You will see one white man which is usually the business owner or the general contractor and hand full of Mexican that don’t speak English nor do they pay taxes. They’re everywhere around here.
bahaha-its me wrote:
illegal immigration... i remember when white poeple emmigrated to america and took all the native american people’s lands and killed native americans.
bahaha-its me wrote:
illegal immigration... i remember when white poeple emmigrated to america and took all the native american people’s lands and killed native americans.
we(americans) should be grateful.
There was no governmant or laws...
the Native Americans had government and laws dude.
bahaha-its me wrote:
illegal immigration... i remember when white poeple emmigrated to america and took all the native american people’s lands and killed native americans.
we(americans) should be grateful.
There was no governmant or laws...
And technically the native americans weren’t native. They just got here first.
bahaha-its me wrote:
illegal immigration... i remember when white poeple emmigrated to america and took all the native american people’s lands and killed native americans.
we(americans) should be grateful.
There was no governmant or laws...
the Native Americans had government and laws dude.
Yeah, for a village or two, but it’s not a country or anything.
Xtrm Liability wrote:
I swear I could drive through my neighborhood which is a new subdivision and find at least 50 to 100 Juan’s and Edgardo’s working illegally for peanuts building houses, mowing lawns, etc.. You will see one white man which is usually the business owner or the general contractor and hand full of Mexican that don’t speak English nor do they pay taxes. They’re everywhere around here.
how do you know they’re here illegally?
You just know. Everybody knows. It’s common knowledge that most are but nothing is being done about it because are jails are full of them waiting to be transported back to Mexico.
bahaha-its me wrote:
illegal immigration... i remember when white poeple emmigrated to america and took all the native american people’s lands and killed native americans.
we(americans) should be grateful.
There was no governmant or laws...
the Native Americans had government and laws dude.
Yeah, for a village or two, but it’s not a country or anything.
every village had their own set of rules and a government. To say they didn’t have it is pretty ignorant.
Also, by saying “there was no governmant or laws” you imply that killing people and taking land is ok, as long as it doesn’t go against any laws.
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