Darkness Versus Cid

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Can you prove that Vincent is fast enough to dodge stop? No? Well then you argument fails. One thing I’ve learned in the years I’ve been debating, the moment somebody pulls the “he’s so fast he’d dodge the attack” card the argument is over because they no longer have anything to argue with. So I subject to you that you just lost.



Not that it matters anymore, but post the video here and I’ll be the judge of that.



First of all, you’re putting Cloud and Vincent in an area without anything to jump off of, thus deliberately giving Vincent the advantage. If we’re going to argue we’re going to let them fight in midgar, both know the terrain well and the advantage falls in neither court.

Second of all, Vincent cam shoot from afar as long as he wants, and when he wastes all his ammo trying to snipe Cloud it’s over.



You have nothing to prove that Chaos energy won’t hurt the controller. It’s just like a normal magic attack, if the attack is reflected back then it will hurt them.

And a barrier is complete different than a reflect spell. If you take a flash light and shine it into a normal piece of glass the light will pass right through without interruption, however if you turn that glass into a mirror it’s properties change and it becomes a reflective surface. The light which so easily passed through the same glass before is now being reflected back.



And yet Rosso was able to rip the protomateria right out of Vincent’s chest, just goes to show you that Vincent’s body ain’t really all the indestructible eh?

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Leave your arguements in the Vincent vs. Cloud thread. This thread is to be the impartial judges of your match, not a place for the actual match to take place.

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Well, actually I did state on the first page that I would bring part of the argument here in order to keep this thread video game related.

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the prota materia can be seen on his cheast and yes it douse that would kill anyone else, Vincent is to fast for Cloud, ok vincent could doge whenever Cloud got near, use his materia back on Cloud, Sniper Cloud, and heres that clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u0-LhXl_D0

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Oh gotcha. Well I really hate listening to Darknesses arguements because they are SOO biased and he gets SOO upset when proven wrong. It’s like pulling teeth to get him to admit anything, and even when he does admit it, he “retcon’s” his admission in later parts of the arguement.

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It doesn’t matter if the materia is seen on his chest later, Rosso ripped it out of his chest at the beginning. And it wouldn’t kill Cloud, you wanna know why? Because as Lucrecia said, anything with a large amount of J-Cells becomes a lot harder to kill then a normal person. It’s the reason that Cloud was able to stab a 2 foot wide sword through Sephiroth’s stomach and not kill him.



And once again, where’s the proof that Vincent is faster then Cloud? Where is the proof that Stop won’t work on Vincent? You keep claiming that I don’t back up my claims, well you’re doing a mighty fine job of not doing it yourself.



Alright, you were correct there was a shockwave that echoed across the planet. However you failed to mention two things.

1. The shock wave happened after Vincent defeated Omega.

2. That the shockwave wasn’t the color of Vincent’s energy but the color of Omega’s energy.

That shockwave was caused by Omega’s death, not Vincent’s attack. If it was Vincent’s attack the color would have been that purplish=black that Vincent’s energy is, not the light green that Omega’s was.

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everybody knows that I’m right, I’m only continuing because I’m bored.

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hmmm this is were your flawed,

Vincent was already an acomplished Guns Expert before Cloud was even born 30 years prior FF 7 he was a Turk someone who dealed in assasinations espinage and kidnapping, he was like an elite who also spotted potentiol people to become Soliders and Turks were the personal body Guards of top shinra officals this and the fact there payed more leads me to belive Turks are better skilled or equil to SOLIDERS.

he was already 27 when he was shot by Hojo and was infused with Mako and Jeanova Cells just like in SOLIDER he underwent the same treatment.

He was then given G-Cells (also known as Chaos Cells) whitch alowed Chaos to become one with him in a test born of Lucretcias desire to let Vincent live and test her claims on the chaos Omega theroy.

however the beast inside broke out so she used the Prota Materia to contain and control Chaos inside Vincent.

anyway by the time Vincent met Cloud he was 57 years old,
Cloud is 21 and a failed Solider and has underwent normal Solider treatment and is stronger and more durable than a normal man he is skilled with a sword due to J-Cells and is a Sephiroth Clone.

Vincent is a skilled Turk Gunslinger, with exstenssive milatery training has increased strenth due to Mako and G-Cells and thanks to Hojo has a near indestructable body,
he is agile and his cape alows him flight in normal form as seen in A.C.

he also seems to be skilled in hand to hand combat another thing Cloud is without if Cloud loses his sword thats all she wrote.

Speed Vincent can also doge Bullets in normal form as seen in Dirge against Rosso and Weiss so in Chaos his speed alone can doge anything Cloud could throw at him in Chaos he cannot be seen like Weiss.

in reaction time Vincent can outrun explotions,swords,bullets and doge Just about anything thrown at him.

Accuracy he shoots things in mid air and always nails vital points on chopers men on speed bikes killer dogs fliying through the air and more.

Endurance HELLO he had part of his chest riped out and still fought on,gets battered all over by Azul and gets up without a scratch.

skill if you havent worked it out yet Vincent

intelligence, Vincent knows about Geostigma, Sephiroth, Shinra, he knows about Kadaj is a remnant of Sephiroth and apears wiser than Cloud and is the voice of reason in the Group, also he passed his Turk exam a higher level exam than SOLIDER and Cloud failed.

Power, omg Vincent anialated Omega Weapon a being that would have wiped out the earth in a single blow shaking the earth, he can fire intence blasts and his aura sends Russo flying.

Abilitys beyond the fact they both use materia Vincent flys blasts and tranceforms.

anyway there about the same in strenth intill Chaos, in speed the same intill Chaos, in reaction Vincent, in Acuraccy Vincent,Endurance Vincent,skill Vincent,Intelligence Vincent,power Vincent,ability Vincent,and DAM RIGHT COOLNESS VINCENT!!!!

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cid hands down

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thanks for reserecting an old war wound pal

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in any case ive made my statement here lol ^^^ anyone looks at that should see why i was so persistant lol, those are the statistics and id say there accurate to a T so please prove me wrong Turaaa.

P.S DerDev...u were an ashole GOD that felt good.

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BaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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I think mine and Darkness' qualms are finished, can a Mod lock this topic please?

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Yup, verdict is in, Cid won.

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Every SINGLE person that has posted in this thread has agreed that Cid is correct. You lose, face the facts.

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really hmmm let me C how can he win ohh the whole i agree Cid is a better debator thing yeahhhhh well that kinda went over my head i tend not to take that in you should know that Derdev im a polatition who never backs down even when the odds are stacked against me.

and waht makes you think ill stop because you say hes right prove it dont just agree with him.

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No I mean that we have all read over both of your arguements, and his points make far greater sense than yours. He has proven his point. I barely know the charactors, but using what you both provided, Cid’s charactor win’s hands down.

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explain to me what you mean by his charicter wins then from what you know???

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*sigh*

Don’t start the whole argument over again people, just forget about it. I’ll PM one of the Mods to lock this later on tonight.

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as i thought silence the truth as always.