Darkness Versus Cid

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ok lol thought we were taking it a step at a time tho, so anyway what was your point?

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It’s true that Vincent possess a higher level of skill then Cloud with his weapons, however Cloud has proven to be able to excel at anything he sets his mind to doing, even becoming more powerful then Shin-Ra’s elite Class of warriors Soldier. He is a Sephiorth Clone, and thus has a large injection of J-Cells within his body. These Cells make him stronger, faster, and much more difficult to kill then a normal human. On topic of that he was subjected to unusually high amounts of pure Mako during Hojo’s experiments on him, this further increases his power and speed.

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Cool Vincent underwent those experiments as wel and had G-Cells injected so his powers excell just as mutch or more so.

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Actually, Vincent only underwent three things. The typical treatment a turk undergoes, which can’t be much seeing how easily Cloud beats Reno, Rude, and Elena, the experiments that Hojo did after he killed Vincent, which was nothing more then the alteration of his DNA which resulted in Vincent’s transformations into the Galian Beast, Death Gigas, and Hellmasker, and Lucrecia’s experiments with the Chaos gene, which was much the same as Hojo’s except with the chaos gene and protomateria instead.

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well he was put in a Mako tank for the best part of 30 years???

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also had a near indistructable body made by Hojo and his speed and strenth are seen to surpass Clouds in normal state.

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erm you feeling ok Cid???

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I think his internet died.

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No, he slept in a coffin for the best part of 30 years. He was in the Mako Tank just long enough for Lucrecia to find a way to make the Chaos Gene work. Which is a hell of a lot less then Cloud and Zack, who were in said tanks for about 5 years.



Indestructible means it can’t be damaged, which Vincent’s body can be, and quite easily might I add. You’re thinking of the word durable, which means he can take a lot of punishment and keep going. Which Cloud can do just as well if not better due to the Jenova Cells.

As for Vinny’s speed and strength surpassing Cloud in the normal state, it’s nothing more than an opinion. Vincent has showed next to no feats of speed or strength without tapping into the powers of Chaos. Cloud however regularly lifted a sword that must have weighed at least 350 pounds like it was nothing and managed to dodge and block bulles, which travel faster then the speed of sound.



No, I have a skin mite called Scabies, and it itches like fuck and burns like hell. The reason I didn’t post however, is because I completely forgot about this thread due to me playing Final Fantasy XII these past few days.

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Nah, it didn’t die, my bad memory just kicked in, well that and I’m too busy on the weekends to get online. Now I’ve got to go, FF12 beckons my return.

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Gotcha, have fun man. Hey how old are you anyways? Shouldn’t you be in school kid? I’m trying to find a way not to be bored sitting here in one of the few places in my college with internet waiting the hour and a half for class to start.

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I’m 17, I’m home schooled which is why I can pop up online at virtually any time. Regular school was far too easy for me, so I got into a Home School Academy that gives us work generally 2-3 grade levels higher then normal. I’m working in college level crap right now and it’s still easy lol

Fact of the matter is, despite how I act, I’m highly intelligent, I have an IQ of over 200. I’ve been offered to go to a local college free of charge, but right now I’m not sure if I want to go the college route or if I want to go ahead and jump straight into a career.

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1.Gotcha but he was shot before the Sephiroth experiment and then it clearly shows her wanting to see Sephiroth and gos on to explain about her trying to control Chaos and incert the Prota Materia, so thats at least 9 months of subjection.

2. ok then Vincent can take blows from Azul who smashes through 3 reenforced Titanium Doors and is in normal gets battered by his Transformed state while hes in normal and gets up without a scratch gets part of his chest tore out and keeps fighting and so forth.

3. speed he can doge bullets also move so fast he becomes unseen, and his agility and Reflex allows him to preform near impossible feats in almost split second timeing.

4. Strenth he smacks enemys flying in one Blow overpowers Azul and can carry his Gun witch waighs a little more than 350 pounds more like 2.5 tons (its the top of a tank).

5. Sorry to here it

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Statistics say that in the long run, unless you plan on owning your own business (which has a sucess rate of 1/10 in the first year alone, which if your as smart as you say should scare the crap out of you, if you plan on going that way) going to college will earn you double even triple in the long run what jumping into a career would give you. My advice? If you were able to get into a career that supported higher education to the point where they will endorse you to go to school, but you will still get a regular salary from them, go for it. Then when you have your degree, ditch the job and get a high paying one in whatever field that you mastered in (and bed ready for a lot of job opportunities in the near future as the baby boomer era is coming to a close within a few short years.)

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dearly noted Freind

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it’s friend, but that is a commonly misspelled word. Oh and if you want a hint in the future for spelling that one, think friend until the END, that way you can remember it ends in END.

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LMAO you really do notice the small things huh lol anyway.

so time is 7 greatest down fall because Omega is the biggest threat,

1. Sephiroth alone is powerfull being fitted with Jeanova Cells and the top ranking SOLIDER,but Weiss was also a SOLIDER and fited with the G Cells he was also an elite member of Deep Ground and there leader so DG must be of higher Class than SOLIDER as Restricter destroyed the strongest in SOLIDER and DG defeated him.

i think thats a valid point

2. Hojo attempted to merge with Weiss as he possed all of DGs top fighters abilitys and was there strongest (personel note: DG is said to hold the strongest fighters on the planet)this and the fact Weiss became one with Omega rather in the same sence Vincent is one with Chaos makes me belive he is the bigger threat, he was literally a god like Seph wanted to be and if Vincent feeds of the power of Chaos as Weiss douse Omega then Weiss also was amplified by Omega saping the life stream.

this is important as that was Sephs plan that he did not suceed.

3. Vincent went toe to toe with Weiss so he must be as fast powerfull and skilled, and even took out Omega and Meteor was strong but it wasnt really Sephs own strenth like Weiss and Vinni so in pure undinied power Vinni and Weiss are indeed stronger.

as for Cloud he beat Seph so id say hes in with a shout but statistically hes outclassed.

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Yeah I know. I’m a stickler for little shit like that.

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well thanks for the down lo

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Well Darkness, I’m about to put an end to your theorizing that Weiss is stronger then Sephiroth once and for all.

Everybody knows that Genesis is stronger them Weiss, it’s common knowledge and the ending of Dirge of Cerberus shows just that. I’ve said it before that Sephiroth was stronger then Genesis, and yet I had no proof to back up my claims. Well, now I do have that proof, back in December they showed a trailer at the Jump Fiesta 2007 event. The trailer, not yet released to the public, features a 2 on 1 fight, Genesis and Angeal versus Sephiroth, this is a script for that specific part of the trailer.

Sephiroth VS Angeal + Genesis, 2 vs 1 showdown.
Sephiroth concerns himself mostly with both of them moving around the field to avoid them.
Genesis has a type of thin sword.
Angeal is using the same type of sword as Zack. (The Buster Sword is on his back)
Near the end of the movie, Angie and Geny simultaneously attack Sephiroth.
Sephiroth is able to stop the blow of both their swords with the Masamune in his left hand, and smiles.

This is a link to the translation of the full trailer just so you know I’m not lying.

http://community.livejournal.com/_crisiscore_/17800.html

Note that it says that Sephiroth is able to stop both of their attacks with his one sword in his left hand. Sephiroth is right handed, and thus the fact that he’s using his left hand proves without a doubt that he is way beyond Genesis' power.

Another more in depth translation of that trailer says

A CGI movie of Sephiroth fighting against Genesis and Angeal on what looks to be a rooftop in Junon.
- Sephiroth barely moves from where he stands, but easily wards them both off.
- Genesis' sword is small and slender, possibly Japanese in style.
- Angeal is using a standard issue SOLDIER sword like Zack’s, keeping the Buster Sword shouldered.
- Near the end of the scene, Angeal and Genesis start striking at Sephiroth together.
- Sephiroth catches both blades with the Masamune so that they all cross, then laughs.

Notice the the wording, ephiroth barely moves from where he stands, but easily wards them both off

He easily wards them both off.

So, I present to you, by your own logic Darkness, that Cloud is stronger than Vincent because Cloud defeated a foe stronger than Vincent’s.