| 03 Feb 2007 03:26 pm |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 12  Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,946 OFFLINE | The balance of power, keeps nations from attacking other countries. ---
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:26 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 16 Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 2,017 OFFLINE | ChaosSpartan wrote:
To maintain peace, there must be war. Without war, there would be no peace. For there to be peace, there must be a balance of power. The balance of power, brings peace.
you can’t teach peace, by slapping the shyte out of someone.. you just teach them that violence wins
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:28 pm |
I have earned my disillusionment. Rep: 53 Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,416 | Savage Snake wrote:
So lets get on a topic shall we? War? Why do we rage it and what good comes out of it?
I thought the topic was “what’s philosophy?" hehe
We wage war because we want something that someone else has. Or we perceive someone to be too foreign to our way of thinking and perceive them as a threat because of this.
It’s difficult to say whether any good can ever come of war because there has never truly been a “good war”. There are some wars that might seem to be waged for humanitarian reasons, but at the bottom of it a country entered such a war to benefit themselves or to protect themselves.
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:28 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 16Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 2,017 OFFLINE | ChaosSpartan wrote:
The balance of power, keeps nations from attacking other countries.
well atleast you are a good believer in the excuses, given by the government, for war
You’d make a great frontline soldier, before dying
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:29 pm |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 12Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,946 OFFLINE | Well, ignoring the problem, or appeasing it, won’t make it go away. Appeasing Hitler didn’t work, he continuously wanted more. We had to beat him down to keep the peace, or bring it back at least. ---
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:31 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38 Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | He is right. Without war there would be no peace just like without evil there is no good.
Wars are fought for many many different reasons, sometimes for gain and sometimes for good. ---
 the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:31 pm |
I have earned my disillusionment. Rep: 53Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,416 | ChaosSpartan wrote:
Well, ignoring the problem, or appeasing it, won’t make it go away. Appeasing Hitler didn’t work, he continuously wanted more. We had to beat him down to keep the peace, or bring it back at least.
Actually most countries were happy to ignore the problem until they were being threatened.
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:32 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 3  Joined: 12 May 2006 Posts: 2,132 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
Savage Snake wrote:
So lets get on a topic shall we? War? Why do we rage it and what good comes out of it?
I thought the topic was “what’s philosophy?" hehe
We wage war because we want something that someone else has. Or we perceive someone to be too foreign to our way of thinking and perceive them as a threat because of this.
It’s difficult to say whether any good can ever come of war because there has never truly been a “good war”. There are some wars that might seem to be waged for humanitarian reasons, but at the bottom of it a country entered such a war to benefit themselves or to protect themselves.
What about the current war in Iraq? We are there for the people, to protect them, help rebuild. We are there for them, not for us. | |
| 03 Feb 2007 03:32 pm |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 12Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,946 OFFLINE | James R. LeClair wrote:
ChaosSpartan wrote:
The balance of power, keeps nations from attacking other countries.
well atleast you are a good believer in the excuses, given by the government, for war
You’d make a great frontline soldier, before dying
-blam!- straight. With the bolded areas.
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:32 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
ChaosSpartan wrote:
Well, ignoring the problem, or appeasing it, won’t make it go away. Appeasing Hitler didn’t work, he continuously wanted more. We had to beat him down to keep the peace, or bring it back at least.
Actually most countries were happy to ignore the problem until they were being threatened.
I don’t see how ignoring Jews and others being rounded up helped.
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:33 pm |
I have earned my disillusionment. Rep: 53Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,416 | Savage Snake wrote:
Etain wrote:
Savage Snake wrote:
So lets get on a topic shall we? War? Why do we rage it and what good comes out of it?
I thought the topic was “what’s philosophy?" hehe
We wage war because we want something that someone else has. Or we perceive someone to be too foreign to our way of thinking and perceive them as a threat because of this.
It’s difficult to say whether any good can ever come of war because there has never truly been a “good war”. There are some wars that might seem to be waged for humanitarian reasons, but at the bottom of it a country entered such a war to benefit themselves or to protect themselves.
What about the current war in Iraq? We are there for the people, to protect them, help rebuild. We are there for them, not for us.
I’m sure you really don’t want me to get into that 
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:33 pm |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 12Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,946 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
ChaosSpartan wrote:
Well, ignoring the problem, or appeasing it, won’t make it go away. Appeasing Hitler didn’t work, he continuously wanted more. We had to beat him down to keep the peace, or bring it back at least.
Actually most countries were happy to ignore the problem until they were being threatened.
Like the USA. Otherwise known as Johnny Cool up until WWII.
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:34 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 3Joined: 12 May 2006 Posts: 2,132 OFFLINE | By all means do. I’d like to hear it. Last edited 03 Feb 2007 03:34 pm by Savage Snake | |
| 03 Feb 2007 03:35 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
Savage Snake wrote:
Etain wrote:
Savage Snake wrote:
So lets get on a topic shall we? War? Why do we rage it and what good comes out of it?
I thought the topic was “what’s philosophy?" hehe
We wage war because we want something that someone else has. Or we perceive someone to be too foreign to our way of thinking and perceive them as a threat because of this.
It’s difficult to say whether any good can ever come of war because there has never truly been a “good war”. There are some wars that might seem to be waged for humanitarian reasons, but at the bottom of it a country entered such a war to benefit themselves or to protect themselves.
What about the current war in Iraq? We are there for the people, to protect them, help rebuild. We are there for them, not for us.
I’m sure you really don’t want me to get into that
The fact that Savage was there for a different reason then you say counters your argument. Only he can decide what he fights for, not the government. Even if the government did have a different reason does not mean his reason can be ignored or outspoken.
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:36 pm |
I have earned my disillusionment. Rep: 53Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,416 | the21gamer wrote:
Etain wrote:
ChaosSpartan wrote:
Well, ignoring the problem, or appeasing it, won’t make it go away. Appeasing Hitler didn’t work, he continuously wanted more. We had to beat him down to keep the peace, or bring it back at least.
Actually most countries were happy to ignore the problem until they were being threatened.
I don’t see how ignoring Jews and others being rounded up helped.
Umm..yes that’s exactly what I’m saying 21. We might look back on it and think that in WWII countries were interested in the plight of the Jews. The truth was they really didn’t care so much about that - and were even turning Jewish refugees away from their borders. It was when they perceived their own country to be threatened by Hitler that they took action.
However, I am overgeneralizing. Denmark, for example, did care very much about the welfare of the Jews living there.
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:37 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 3Joined: 12 May 2006 Posts: 2,132 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
Etain wrote:
ChaosSpartan wrote:
Well, ignoring the problem, or appeasing it, won’t make it go away. Appeasing Hitler didn’t work, he continuously wanted more. We had to beat him down to keep the peace, or bring it back at least.
Actually most countries were happy to ignore the problem until they were being threatened.
I don’t see how ignoring Jews and others being rounded up helped.
Umm..yes that’s exactly what I’m saying 21. We might look back on it and think that in WWII countries were interested in the plight of the Jews. The truth was they really didn’t care so much about that - and were even turning Jewish refugees away from their borders. It was when they perceived their own country to be threatened by Hitler that they took action.
However, I am overgeneralizing. Denmark, for example, did care very much about the welfare of the Jews living there.
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:37 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
Etain wrote:
ChaosSpartan wrote:
Well, ignoring the problem, or appeasing it, won’t make it go away. Appeasing Hitler didn’t work, he continuously wanted more. We had to beat him down to keep the peace, or bring it back at least.
Actually most countries were happy to ignore the problem until they were being threatened.
I don’t see how ignoring Jews and others being rounded up helped.
Umm..yes that’s exactly what I’m saying 21. We might look back on it and think that in WWII countries were interested in the plight of the Jews. The truth was they really didn’t care so much about that - and were even turning Jewish refugees away from their borders. It was when they perceived their own country to be threatened by Hitler that they took action.
However, I am overgeneralizing. Denmark, for example, did care very much about the welfare of the Jews living there.
That has nothing to do with the argument. The argument is war isn’t always fought for 'gain'.
We shouldn’t be asking the governments but the soldiers what they fought for and I know countries stayed out, even we stayed out for a while, which was a pretty bad chose I think.
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:37 pm |
I have earned my disillusionment. Rep: 53Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,416 | the21gamer wrote:
Etain wrote:
Savage Snake wrote:
Etain wrote:
Savage Snake wrote:
So lets get on a topic shall we? War? Why do we rage it and what good comes out of it?
I thought the topic was “what’s philosophy?" hehe
We wage war because we want something that someone else has. Or we perceive someone to be too foreign to our way of thinking and perceive them as a threat because of this.
It’s difficult to say whether any good can ever come of war because there has never truly been a “good war”. There are some wars that might seem to be waged for humanitarian reasons, but at the bottom of it a country entered such a war to benefit themselves or to protect themselves.
What about the current war in Iraq? We are there for the people, to protect them, help rebuild. We are there for them, not for us.
I’m sure you really don’t want me to get into that
The fact that Savage was there for a different reason then you say counters your argument. Only he can decide what he fights for, not the government. Even if the government did have a different reason does not mean his reason can be ignored or outspoken.
I wouldn’t argue against his personal reason. I have no right to do that. But he said “we” - the collective.
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:39 pm |
I have earned my disillusionment. Rep: 53Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,416 | the21gamer wrote:
Etain wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
Etain wrote:
ChaosSpartan wrote:
Well, ignoring the problem, or appeasing it, won’t make it go away. Appeasing Hitler didn’t work, he continuously wanted more. We had to beat him down to keep the peace, or bring it back at least.
Actually most countries were happy to ignore the problem until they were being threatened.
I don’t see how ignoring Jews and others being rounded up helped.
Umm..yes that’s exactly what I’m saying 21. We might look back on it and think that in WWII countries were interested in the plight of the Jews. The truth was they really didn’t care so much about that - and were even turning Jewish refugees away from their borders. It was when they perceived their own country to be threatened by Hitler that they took action.
However, I am overgeneralizing. Denmark, for example, did care very much about the welfare of the Jews living there.
That has nothing to do with the argument. The argument is war isn’t always fought for 'gain'.
We shouldn’t be asking the governments but the soldiers what they fought for and I know countries stayed out, even we stayed out for a while, which was a pretty bad chose I think.
21 - I do believe it is the government, not the soldiers, who decide whether a war will happen in the first place. Therefore that does have to be considered.
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| 03 Feb 2007 03:39 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
Etain wrote:
Savage Snake wrote:
Etain wrote:
Savage Snake wrote:
So lets get on a topic shall we? War? Why do we rage it and what good comes out of it?
I thought the topic was “what’s philosophy?" hehe
We wage war because we want something that someone else has. Or we perceive someone to be too foreign to our way of thinking and perceive them as a threat because of this.
It’s difficult to say whether any good can ever come of war because there has never truly been a “good war”. There are some wars that might seem to be waged for humanitarian reasons, but at the bottom of it a country entered such a war to benefit themselves or to protect themselves.
What about the current war in Iraq? We are there for the people, to protect them, help rebuild. We are there for them, not for us.
I’m sure you really don’t want me to get into that
The fact that Savage was there for a different reason then you say counters your argument. Only he can decide what he fights for, not the government. Even if the government did have a different reason does not mean his reason can be ignored or outspoken.
I wouldn’t argue against his personal reason. I have no right to do that. But he said “we” - the collective.
Therefore war can indeed have noble causes.
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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