right... from this statement alone it is obvious you do not understand what you speak of... and personally i am tired of arguing about it... so this is my only comment... research and figure it out on your own... if you actually look into it without such a biased view then you might learn something...
also since you seem to love to oversimplify evolution to make it seem rediculous I will do the same to Creationism...
yeah so one day God just decides to poof out of nowhere and then he decides that in all his glory he is just going to create the universe for no reason but his own entertainment... then he is going to make these things called humans for the sole purpose of worshiping him even though he is all powerful and doesn’t really need anything at all... (what a huge annoying ego huh...) finally he is also going to make a vast array of empty space in which he places nothing but fun things for us to look at during the night... yeah makes ALOT of sense huh... i see the light... or maybe i just see some dusty old pages constantly revived for no purpose other than to control us and inflate our already rediculous thoughts about how great we are...
and one day humans just decided to make technology
we don’t need it but it makes our lives more enjoyable
same for god
now he has company when we die and go to heaven
One problem with that. We actually know for a fact that we have tech, only an idiot would deny that. But we don’t know for a fact that god exists, so your above post can’t really be applied to that.
then dark99s example can’t be used either since their isn’t proof of whether god exists
kev360 wrote:
ok dark, then explain to me this: how can we have mutations that become the norm for a species if they are an overall detriment until later? wouldn’t that trait just die out?
The Origin of Species explains all that in detail. He makes a lot of good points and can probably answer all of the questions you have on evolution. You should try reading it sometime.
a book, right? ya, i’m not going to go and buy a book on evolution and read it...sorry....
Then I guess you’lle never know the answers to the questions you ask.
right... from this statement alone it is obvious you do not understand what you speak of... and personally i am tired of arguing about it... so this is my only comment... research and figure it out on your own... if you actually look into it without such a biased view then you might learn something...
also since you seem to love to oversimplify evolution to make it seem rediculous I will do the same to Creationism...
yeah so one day God just decides to poof out of nowhere and then he decides that in all his glory he is just going to create the universe for no reason but his own entertainment... then he is going to make these things called humans for the sole purpose of worshiping him even though he is all powerful and doesn’t really need anything at all... (what a huge annoying ego huh...) finally he is also going to make a vast array of empty space in which he places nothing but fun things for us to look at during the night... yeah makes ALOT of sense huh... i see the light... or maybe i just see some dusty old pages constantly revived for no purpose other than to control us and inflate our already rediculous thoughts about how great we are...
and one day humans just decided to make technology
we don’t need it but it makes our lives more enjoyable
same for god
now he has company when we die and go to heaven
One problem with that. We actually know for a fact that we have tech, only an idiot would deny that. But we don’t know for a fact that god exists, so your above post can’t really be applied to that.
then dark99s example can’t be used either since their isn’t proof of whether god exists
Dark99’s example of what? He never made an example of anything, he was just showing that he could just as easily make creationism sound ridiculous as some people try to make evolution sound.
kev360 wrote:
ok dark, then explain to me this: how can we have mutations that become the norm for a species if they are an overall detriment until later? wouldn’t that trait just die out?
The Origin of Species explains all that in detail. He makes a lot of good points and can probably answer all of the questions you have on evolution. You should try reading it sometime.
a book, right? ya, i’m not going to go and buy a book on evolution and read it...sorry....
Then I guess you’lle never know the answers to the questions you ask.
look, i’m not into the argument enough to go buy books about it then read them. i have much better and more interesting things to read. if thats the only way you can present something, then thats not my fault.
kev360 wrote:
ya, um, evelution is retarded. random mutations do not improve a race overall. it can make them slightly more adaptable, but its never a big change. also, there are always negatives. there is no way a single celled organism could become us. its just ridiculous to think that.
You dont understand the theroy is that the organisims came together and life formed but since your simple minded I wouldnt expect you to understand this
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kev360 wrote:
ok dark, then explain to me this: how can we have mutations that become the norm for a species if they are an overall detriment until later? wouldn’t that trait just die out?
The Origin of Species explains all that in detail. He makes a lot of good points and can probably answer all of the questions you have on evolution. You should try reading it sometime.
a book, right? ya, i’m not going to go and buy a book on evolution and read it...sorry....
Then I guess you’lle never know the answers to the questions you ask.
look, i’m not into the argument enough to go buy books about it then read them. i have much better and more interesting things to read. if thats the only way you can present something, then thats not my fault.
cardice-oh, ok.
Evolution is actually pretty interesting. The fact that every organism has the ability to adapt to their environment is pretty spectacular.
kev360 wrote:
ok dark, then explain to me this: how can we have mutations that become the norm for a species if they are an overall detriment until later? wouldn’t that trait just die out?
Were not turning into anything its all random were not adapting were just making our enviorment into somthing we can adapt to
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PS3KICKS360 wrote:
I am a celebrity for all those gay porno’s I do in my spare time
right... from this statement alone it is obvious you do not understand what you speak of... and personally i am tired of arguing about it... so this is my only comment... research and figure it out on your own... if you actually look into it without such a biased view then you might learn something...
also since you seem to love to oversimplify evolution to make it seem rediculous I will do the same to Creationism...
yeah so one day God just decides to poof out of nowhere and then he decides that in all his glory he is just going to create the universe for no reason but his own entertainment... then he is going to make these things called humans for the sole purpose of worshiping him even though he is all powerful and doesn’t really need anything at all... (what a huge annoying ego huh...) finally he is also going to make a vast array of empty space in which he places nothing but fun things for us to look at during the night... yeah makes ALOT of sense huh... i see the light... or maybe i just see some dusty old pages constantly revived for no purpose other than to control us and inflate our already rediculous thoughts about how great we are...
and one day humans just decided to make technology
we don’t need it but it makes our lives more enjoyable
same for god
now he has company when we die and go to heaven
One problem with that. We actually know for a fact that we have tech, only an idiot would deny that. But we don’t know for a fact that god exists, so your above post can’t really be applied to that.
then dark99s example can’t be used either since their isn’t proof of whether god exists
Dark99’s example of what? He never made an example of anything, he was just showing that he could just as easily make creationism sound ridiculous as some people try to make evolution sound.
and i was showing that creation could be plausible
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right... from this statement alone it is obvious you do not understand what you speak of... and personally i am tired of arguing about it... so this is my only comment... research and figure it out on your own... if you actually look into it without such a biased view then you might learn something...
also since you seem to love to oversimplify evolution to make it seem rediculous I will do the same to Creationism...
yeah so one day God just decides to poof out of nowhere and then he decides that in all his glory he is just going to create the universe for no reason but his own entertainment... then he is going to make these things called humans for the sole purpose of worshiping him even though he is all powerful and doesn’t really need anything at all... (what a huge annoying ego huh...) finally he is also going to make a vast array of empty space in which he places nothing but fun things for us to look at during the night... yeah makes ALOT of sense huh... i see the light... or maybe i just see some dusty old pages constantly revived for no purpose other than to control us and inflate our already rediculous thoughts about how great we are...
and one day humans just decided to make technology
we don’t need it but it makes our lives more enjoyable
same for god
now he has company when we die and go to heaven
One problem with that. We actually know for a fact that we have tech, only an idiot would deny that. But we don’t know for a fact that god exists, so your above post can’t really be applied to that.
then dark99s example can’t be used either since their isn’t proof of whether god exists
Dark99’s example of what? He never made an example of anything, he was just showing that he could just as easily make creationism sound ridiculous as some people try to make evolution sound.
and i was showing that creation could be plausible
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And what evidence do you have to prove that? May I remind you the Bible is considered as flimsy evidence.
kev360 wrote:
ok dark, then explain to me this: how can we have mutations that become the norm for a species if they are an overall detriment until later? wouldn’t that trait just die out?
Were not turning into anything its all random were not adapting were just making our enviorment into somthing we can adapt to
In addition to what Kev said about wondering if a trait dies out, yes. That happens. Traits can either die out or become useless. For example, most people can wiggle their ears. That is a trait that has become useless because of our evolution. We no longer required the use of being able to wiggle our ears so it began “downgrading”. Our ears became slightly more incapable of wiggling each generation that we did not use that feature. In a certain period of time (I would say maybe a few hundred thousand years, but that’s just a guess) our ears were drastically more incapable of moving. Hence the fact that wiggling our ears in todays world is useless.
But remember that a trait doesn’t just suddenly appear. It takes time for it to grow and become more useful. If Kev could give an example to his question then I might be able to answer it better.
kev360 wrote:
ok dark, then explain to me this: how can we have mutations that become the norm for a species if they are an overall detriment until later? wouldn’t that trait just die out?
Were not turning into anything its all random were not adapting were just making our enviorment into somthing we can adapt to
yes, its all random, but if it is overall a detriment to the species, then it won’t survive according to natural selection. natural selection is the driving force behind an improving evolution. its why we do not de-evolve. so, things like, say, humans standing up, should not be, becouse at the time it did not help us. we did not start using out hands until thousands of years after we were standing up. until then, it just made birthing harder and slowed us down. how did this train not get eliminated by natural selection?
We de-eveolve. Look at Migits and Giants. Growth deformation, born with or without a Ressesive or Dominate Gene. Genes that took Humans millions of years to master and control. Our ancestors, from africa, will always look differen’t, because their human form hasn’t been developed yet, its still in process.
Really all I was trying to say is that we do De-evolve, we just need to think outside the box every now and then.
kev360 wrote:
ok dark, then explain to me this: how can we have mutations that become the norm for a species if they are an overall detriment until later? wouldn’t that trait just die out?
Were not turning into anything its all random were not adapting were just making our enviorment into somthing we can adapt to
yes, its all random, but if it is overall a detriment to the species, then it won’t survive according to natural selection. natural selection is the driving force behind an improving evolution. its why we do not de-evolve. so, things like, say, humans standing up, should not be, becouse at the time it did not help us. we did not start using out hands until thousands of years after we were standing up. until then, it just made birthing harder and slowed us down. how did this train not get eliminated by natural selection?
Um... what are you talking about? We’ve always used our hands. In fact every organism that has hands uses them. I don’t know where you got the idea that we didn’t use our hands until we started standing up.
Apocalyptic Gladiator wrote:
We de-eveolve. Look at Migits and Giants. Growth deformation, born with or without a Ressesive or Dominate Gene. Genes that took Humans millions of years to master and control. Our ancestors, from africa, will always look differen’t, because their human form hasn’t been developed yet, its still in process.
Really all I was trying to say is that we do De-evolve, we just need to think outside the box every now and then.
A few cases of people with abnormality isn’t devolution.
kev360 wrote:
ok dark, then explain to me this: how can we have mutations that become the norm for a species if they are an overall detriment until later? wouldn’t that trait just die out?
Were not turning into anything its all random were not adapting were just making our enviorment into somthing we can adapt to
yes, its all random, but if it is overall a detriment to the species, then it won’t survive according to natural selection. natural selection is the driving force behind an improving evolution. its why we do not de-evolve. so, things like, say, humans standing up, should not be, becouse at the time it did not help us. we did not start using out hands until thousands of years after we were standing up. until then, it just made birthing harder and slowed us down. how did this train not get eliminated by natural selection?
Um... what are you talking about? We’ve always used our hands. In fact every organism that has hands uses them. I don’t know where you got the idea that we didn’t use our hands until we started standing up.
i mean use our hands efficiently. the reason standing up was significant was becouse it freed up out hands for other things, but it wasn’t until much later that we had the brain size to be able to make use of that advantage with things like tools.
well, my parents are kicking me off my comp right now...so, i gtg.
Apocalyptic Gladiator wrote:
We de-eveolve. Look at Migits and Giants. Growth deformation, born with or without a Ressesive or Dominate Gene. Genes that took Humans millions of years to master and control. Our ancestors, from africa, will always look differen’t, because their human form hasn’t been developed yet, its still in process.
Really all I was trying to say is that we do De-evolve, we just need to think outside the box every now and then.
A few cases of people with abnormality isn’t devolution.
It could be. This is what I mean. Evolution didn’t play by the rules or go by a pattern that we think comes into play. Evolution is millions of years of unrecored history that is linked by hundreds of thousands of grids. We will never know why or how, but it happened and we’re here.
God found a way to create man, it just took a little time. What we might call deformity, God may call it deEvolution or even Evolution.
Its hard to understand, but its very reasonable and possible.
right... from this statement alone it is obvious you do not understand what you speak of... and personally i am tired of arguing about it... so this is my only comment... research and figure it out on your own... if you actually look into it without such a biased view then you might learn something...
also since you seem to love to oversimplify evolution to make it seem rediculous I will do the same to Creationism...
yeah so one day God just decides to poof out of nowhere and then he decides that in all his glory he is just going to create the universe for no reason but his own entertainment... then he is going to make these things called humans for the sole purpose of worshiping him even though he is all powerful and doesn’t really need anything at all... (what a huge annoying ego huh...) finally he is also going to make a vast array of empty space in which he places nothing but fun things for us to look at during the night... yeah makes ALOT of sense huh... i see the light... or maybe i just see some dusty old pages constantly revived for no purpose other than to control us and inflate our already rediculous thoughts about how great we are...
and one day humans just decided to make technology
we don’t need it but it makes our lives more enjoyable
same for god
now he has company when we die and go to heaven
One problem with that. We actually know for a fact that we have tech, only an idiot would deny that. But we don’t know for a fact that god exists, so your above post can’t really be applied to that.
then dark99s example can’t be used either since their isn’t proof of whether god exists
Dark99’s example of what? He never made an example of anything, he was just showing that he could just as easily make creationism sound ridiculous as some people try to make evolution sound.
and i was showing that creation could be plausible
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And what evidence do you have to prove that? May I remind you the Bible is considered as flimsy evidence.
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kev360 wrote:
ok dark, then explain to me this: how can we have mutations that become the norm for a species if they are an overall detriment until later? wouldn’t that trait just die out?
Were not turning into anything its all random were not adapting were just making our enviorment into somthing we can adapt to
yes, its all random, but if it is overall a detriment to the species, then it won’t survive according to natural selection. natural selection is the driving force behind an improving evolution. its why we do not de-evolve. so, things like, say, humans standing up, should not be, becouse at the time it did not help us. we did not start using out hands until thousands of years after we were standing up. until then, it just made birthing harder and slowed us down. how did this train not get eliminated by natural selection?
Um... what are you talking about? We’ve always used our hands. In fact every organism that has hands uses them. I don’t know where you got the idea that we didn’t use our hands until we started standing up.
i mean use our hands efficiently. the reason standing up was significant was becouse it freed up out hands for other things, but it wasn’t until much later that we had the brain size to be able to make use of that advantage with things like tools.
well, my parents are kicking me off my comp right now...so, i gtg.
If you look closely at primates you will see that they all have opposable thumbs, meaning efficient hands. I’m still not following what your trying to say though.
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