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09 Apr 2007 09:46 pm
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Apocalyptic Gladiator wrote: Who knows?

Sometimes it just happens. I lost faith when I though everything could of been exsplained by a scientific theory or answer. I soon learned that Science is simpley the study of a mirical and will never fully exsplain the events that happen in this world.


I believe in evolution, I just dont believe in that billions and billions of years bs. I think God created the world. But I just dont think he really cares anymore.


Religion is based on faith.

If you have faith in somthing, and you believe that somthing exists. Than it will exist. When people say “I feel the presence of God in this place” its just a feeling that comes from the mind. They have themselves worked up to think that they feel all of this shit when its just somthing that they make themselves feel by believing that its true.

But i dont even know if what i just now said is accurate at all. Zucas said somthing similar to that a while back. His made alot more sense than mine. (im terrible at explaining things)

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car dice13 wrote: Well a few reasons.

The Bible has been changed several times, even if it is just language.
Then the translation also changed words which have multiple meanings, so therefore the Bible makes a whole lot less sense.

The Bible contradicts itself. Certainly if God was omniscient he would be able to tell the same story twice.

When you read the Bible, mainly the gospels think about it. Jesus walked around doing miracles and called himself the Son of God. I thought the point of Christianity was faith. Well its not really faith if you see Jesus in front of you making the lame walk, and the blind see. If Jesus is so great where is he now. We are still in Ano Domini (AD). I don’t see him helping the people suffering in Darfur. So why would he decide to help a few people in the time he was alive just to get people to believe that he is the son of god, when now he does nothing and makes you believe in faith. What if Jesus was not actually the son of God and actually a crazy guy. What would you think if someone came up to you on the streets and told you that they were Jesus. You’d think they were crazy wouldn’t you?

I am not saying that Jesus is not the son of God and I am not certain if he is.


Because it can’t be proven? It’s in the bible.

The bible isn’t just a group of fairy tales, its the first set of records of our worlds past.

The bible has all the answers, we just need to read it and understand it. Its filled with metophores and personification and blah blah blah. We just need to take the time to really understand it.

The first page reveals when the battle of Heaven and Hell takes place.

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Apocalyptic Gladiator wrote:
car dice13 wrote: Well a few reasons.

The Bible has been changed several times, even if it is just language.
Then the translation also changed words which have multiple meanings, so therefore the Bible makes a whole lot less sense.

The Bible contradicts itself. Certainly if God was omniscient he would be able to tell the same story twice.

When you read the Bible, mainly the gospels think about it. Jesus walked around doing miracles and called himself the Son of God. I thought the point of Christianity was faith. Well its not really faith if you see Jesus in front of you making the lame walk, and the blind see. If Jesus is so great where is he now. We are still in Ano Domini (AD). I don’t see him helping the people suffering in Darfur. So why would he decide to help a few people in the time he was alive just to get people to believe that he is the son of god, when now he does nothing and makes you believe in faith. What if Jesus was not actually the son of God and actually a crazy guy. What would you think if someone came up to you on the streets and told you that they were Jesus. You’d think they were crazy wouldn’t you?

I am not saying that Jesus is not the son of God and I am not certain if he is.


Because it can’t be proven? It’s in the bible.

The bible isn’t just a group of fairy tales, its the first set of records of our worlds past.

The bible has all the answers, we just need to read it and understand it. Its filled with metophores and personification and blah blah blah. We just need to take the time to really understand it.

The first page reveals when the battle of Heaven and Hell takes place.

ZOMGZZ ITZZ IN DUH BIBLESSZZ!?>!@@@??
Well, why trust a book that contradicts itself?
Surely if the Bible is God’s word it wouldn’t tell a story but then contradict itself again.
Remember when Elijah rode the chariot of fire into heavean? Well how is that more beleivable then Santa? It is impossible for a single man to fly around the world in one day. Isn’t it also impossible to stand on fire?

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09 Apr 2007 09:58 pm
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lol... some of the shit in the bible is fairy tales...

Try a snake A FUCKING SNAKE... tempting a woman and a man to eat a damn peice of fruit. Oh and I forgot it talked...

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car dice13 wrote:
Apocalyptic Gladiator wrote:
car dice13 wrote: Well a few reasons.

The Bible has been changed several times, even if it is just language.
Then the translation also changed words which have multiple meanings, so therefore the Bible makes a whole lot less sense.

The Bible contradicts itself. Certainly if God was omniscient he would be able to tell the same story twice.

When you read the Bible, mainly the gospels think about it. Jesus walked around doing miracles and called himself the Son of God. I thought the point of Christianity was faith. Well its not really faith if you see Jesus in front of you making the lame walk, and the blind see. If Jesus is so great where is he now. We are still in Ano Domini (AD). I don’t see him helping the people suffering in Darfur. So why would he decide to help a few people in the time he was alive just to get people to believe that he is the son of god, when now he does nothing and makes you believe in faith. What if Jesus was not actually the son of God and actually a crazy guy. What would you think if someone came up to you on the streets and told you that they were Jesus. You’d think they were crazy wouldn’t you?

I am not saying that Jesus is not the son of God and I am not certain if he is.


Because it can’t be proven? It’s in the bible.

The bible isn’t just a group of fairy tales, its the first set of records of our worlds past.

The bible has all the answers, we just need to read it and understand it. Its filled with metophores and personification and blah blah blah. We just need to take the time to really understand it.

The first page reveals when the battle of Heaven and Hell takes place.

ZOMGZZ ITZZ IN DUH BIBLESSZZ!?>!@@@??
Well, why trust a book that contradicts itself?
Surely if the Bible is God’s word it wouldn’t tell a story but then contradict itself again.
Remember when Elijah rode the chariot of fire into heavean? Well how is that more beleivable then Santa? It is impossible for a single man to fly around the world in one day. Isn’t it also impossible to stand on fire?


Depends. With out God, yes. With God, no. God has no limits, no form, no language. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn’t. Maybe if God told writers on today to completely rewrite the bible, then it could be alot differen’t depending on what we know.

When it was written, many people did not know how to describe things that people today could understand. If you read the book of revelations, you see that John writes of Giant wasps and eagles fighting each other, today though the wasp could be a helicopter and the Eagle could be a F-22 Raptor. The bible wasn’t written by god, but by man and depending on that mans knowledge, his mind can only exceed to a certain point.

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09 Apr 2007 10:00 pm
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that was funny as hell. i got through about 5 of them, and it was mostly just errors on the part of the writers. you have to remember that it had a targeted audience that is not quite as advanced in the sciences as we are today. all the contradictions that i saw were just relative, kind of like the whole forgiving 7 times 77 times or whatever.

wow, this could be fun kyle.

psh, the different versions, yes, but it is still mostly the original if you go by new translations. there have been slight changes through history, but only near the forming of it to get rid of false books in it. rumors spread easily, and they did their best to stop those from getting into the bible.

when does the bible contradict itself (sorry, way to lazy to read that whole page.)

faith needs a basis of some sort. there could be no faith if there was no reason to have it. the earth does not belong to god. it is the devils right now. christians are 'behind enemy lines'. thats why things aren’t perfect, and can’t be. that is why there will be a second coming.

if a nut case comes up to you claiming to be the son of god, you damn well know it. its pretty obvious. yet, one of the biggest religions on earth spawned from this man. how would so many people believe a nut job?

wow, this was late. that was responding to the last post on the last page.

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car dice13 wrote:
Apocalyptic Gladiator wrote:
car dice13 wrote: Well a few reasons.

The Bible has been changed several times, even if it is just language.
Then the translation also changed words which have multiple meanings, so therefore the Bible makes a whole lot less sense.

The Bible contradicts itself. Certainly if God was omniscient he would be able to tell the same story twice.

When you read the Bible, mainly the gospels think about it. Jesus walked around doing miracles and called himself the Son of God. I thought the point of Christianity was faith. Well its not really faith if you see Jesus in front of you making the lame walk, and the blind see. If Jesus is so great where is he now. We are still in Ano Domini (AD). I don’t see him helping the people suffering in Darfur. So why would he decide to help a few people in the time he was alive just to get people to believe that he is the son of god, when now he does nothing and makes you believe in faith. What if Jesus was not actually the son of God and actually a crazy guy. What would you think if someone came up to you on the streets and told you that they were Jesus. You’d think they were crazy wouldn’t you?

I am not saying that Jesus is not the son of God and I am not certain if he is.


Because it can’t be proven? It’s in the bible.

The bible isn’t just a group of fairy tales, its the first set of records of our worlds past.

The bible has all the answers, we just need to read it and understand it. Its filled with metophores and personification and blah blah blah. We just need to take the time to really understand it.

The first page reveals when the battle of Heaven and Hell takes place.

ZOMGZZ ITZZ IN DUH BIBLESSZZ!?>!@@@??
Well, why trust a book that contradicts itself?
Surely if the Bible is God’s word it wouldn’t tell a story but then contradict itself again.
Remember when Elijah rode the chariot of fire into heavean? Well how is that more beleivable then Santa? It is impossible for a single man to fly around the world in one day. Isn’t it also impossible to stand on fire?

do you deny that there is more out there then what we know? please don’t tell me you are that dumb. anyone with half a mind can tell we don’t know of half of whats going on in this world, weather or not there is a god. don’t be so quick to deal out what is possible and what is not.

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kev360 wrote: that was funny as hell. i got through about 5 of them, and it was mostly just errors on the part of the writers. you have to remember that it had a targeted audience that is not quite as advanced in the sciences as we are today. all the contradictions that i saw were just relative, kind of like the whole forgiving 7 times 77 times or whatever.

wow, this could be fun kyle.

psh, the different versions, yes, but it is still mostly the original if you go by new translations. there have been slight changes through history, but only near the forming of it to get rid of false books in it. rumors spread easily, and they did their best to stop those from getting into the bible.

when does the bible contradict itself (sorry, way to lazy to read that whole page.)

faith needs a basis of some sort. there could be no faith if there was no reason to have it. the earth does not belong to god. it is the devils right now. christians are 'behind enemy lines'. thats why things aren’t perfect, and can’t be. that is why there will be a second coming.

if a nut case comes up to you claiming to be the son of god, you damn well know it. its pretty obvious. yet, one of the biggest religions on earth spawned from this man. how would so many people believe a nut job?

When the nutjob is doing “miracles” which could be his friends acting, it might be more believable as you in AG said they didn’t know as much back then so they probably didn’t have as much common sense. You have to read through the whole page for it too make sense because most of them are pretty lame.

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car dice13 wrote:
kev360 wrote: that was funny as hell. i got through about 5 of them, and it was mostly just errors on the part of the writers. you have to remember that it had a targeted audience that is not quite as advanced in the sciences as we are today. all the contradictions that i saw were just relative, kind of like the whole forgiving 7 times 77 times or whatever.

wow, this could be fun kyle.

psh, the different versions, yes, but it is still mostly the original if you go by new translations. there have been slight changes through history, but only near the forming of it to get rid of false books in it. rumors spread easily, and they did their best to stop those from getting into the bible.

when does the bible contradict itself (sorry, way to lazy to read that whole page.)

faith needs a basis of some sort. there could be no faith if there was no reason to have it. the earth does not belong to god. it is the devils right now. christians are 'behind enemy lines'. thats why things aren’t perfect, and can’t be. that is why there will be a second coming.

if a nut case comes up to you claiming to be the son of god, you damn well know it. its pretty obvious. yet, one of the biggest religions on earth spawned from this man. how would so many people believe a nut job?

When the nutjob is doing “miracles” which could be his friends acting, it might be more believable as you in AG said they didn’t know as much back then so they probably didn’t have as much common sense. You have to read through the whole page for it too make sense because most of them are pretty lame.

its more then just that though. it is easy to tell if someone is not in the right mind. it would be painfully obvious by the things he did. but, lets say that he is nuts. how does he have friends who are smart enough to pull off tricks that fool thousands? why do they follow him?

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you know what sucks? i would love to argue this, but knowing this sight, i’m about to get owned by about 5 more people. i’m dreading that...its not whether your right or wrong, its how many people you bring...

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Well people are still easily fooled. God did do amazing things, only we just didn’t know how to describe them.

The world really did shake after Jesus’s death (recorded in history). Moses really did exsist, (Rameses Brother). He may of not of separated the Red sea, but God could of made earth quakes to make the lands rise up and causs tidal wave to engulf the Rameses’s Army.

Its just a matter of rereading the words and makeing better sence of them.

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no your not, I just found this topic, I can hold off 10 of these guys, and did so in the religen wars!

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“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
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Apocalyptic Gladiator wrote: Well people are still easily fooled. God did do amazing things, only we just didn’t know how to describe them.

The world really did shake after Jesus’s death (recorded in history). Moses really did exsist, (Rameses Brother). He may of not of separated the Red sea, but God could of made earth quakes to make the lands rise up and causs tidal wave to engulf the Rameses’s Army.

Its just a matter of rereading the words and makeing better sence of them.

i actually herd a scientific explanation for the red sea one being possible, but i see your point, and it does make sense.

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WOOT.

But as I said, The bible is the only history or matter of God given to us. Just because its one book doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take it lightly. We must study it, page for page, and get as much information as possible, not just dismiss it as just some book.

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Weasel 16 wrote: no your not, I just found this topic, I can hold off 10 of these guys, and did so in the religen wars!

push, i held off you, zucas, xtrm, and rtiys2 at the same time, along with annother couple i think.

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For what religion?

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Apocalyptic Gladiator wrote: For what religion?

me? christianity. i’m sort of.....obsessed, lest say....

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kev360 wrote:
car dice13 wrote:
kev360 wrote: that was funny as hell. i got through about 5 of them, and it was mostly just errors on the part of the writers. you have to remember that it had a targeted audience that is not quite as advanced in the sciences as we are today. all the contradictions that i saw were just relative, kind of like the whole forgiving 7 times 77 times or whatever.

wow, this could be fun kyle.

psh, the different versions, yes, but it is still mostly the original if you go by new translations. there have been slight changes through history, but only near the forming of it to get rid of false books in it. rumors spread easily, and they did their best to stop those from getting into the bible.

when does the bible contradict itself (sorry, way to lazy to read that whole page.)

faith needs a basis of some sort. there could be no faith if there was no reason to have it. the earth does not belong to god. it is the devils right now. christians are 'behind enemy lines'. thats why things aren’t perfect, and can’t be. that is why there will be a second coming.

if a nut case comes up to you claiming to be the son of god, you damn well know it. its pretty obvious. yet, one of the biggest religions on earth spawned from this man. how would so many people believe a nut job?

When the nutjob is doing “miracles” which could be his friends acting, it might be more believable as you in AG said they didn’t know as much back then so they probably didn’t have as much common sense. You have to read through the whole page for it too make sense because most of them are pretty lame.

its more then just that though. it is easy to tell if someone is not in the right mind. it would be painfully obvious by the things he did. but, lets say that he is nuts. how does he have friends who are smart enough to pull off tricks that fool thousands? why do they follow him?

I’m glad you brought this up.
Think of all the religions out there.
Christianity
Jewdism
Wiccan
Mormon
Islam
Muslim
Satanism
Buddhism

Well those are a few of the popular ones. Now I know for a fact that Jewdism believes that the Messiah has not come yet and Christianity does believe that the Messiah has come. Now one of them has to be wrong. Same with the rest of them. So think about 100s of millions of people are being fooled since there can only be one true religion. So ho

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car dice13 wrote:
kev360 wrote:
car dice13 wrote:
kev360 wrote: that was funny as hell. i got through about 5 of them, and it was mostly just errors on the part of the writers. you have to remember that it had a targeted audience that is not quite as advanced in the sciences as we are today. all the contradictions that i saw were just relative, kind of like the whole forgiving 7 times 77 times or whatever.

wow, this could be fun kyle.

psh, the different versions, yes, but it is still mostly the original if you go by new translations. there have been slight changes through history, but only near the forming of it to get rid of false books in it. rumors spread easily, and they did their best to stop those from getting into the bible.

when does the bible contradict itself (sorry, way to lazy to read that whole page.)

faith needs a basis of some sort. there could be no faith if there was no reason to have it. the earth does not belong to god. it is the devils right now. christians are 'behind enemy lines'. thats why things aren’t perfect, and can’t be. that is why there will be a second coming.

if a nut case comes up to you claiming to be the son of god, you damn well know it. its pretty obvious. yet, one of the biggest religions on earth spawned from this man. how would so many people believe a nut job?

When the nutjob is doing “miracles” which could be his friends acting, it might be more believable as you in AG said they didn’t know as much back then so they probably didn’t have as much common sense. You have to read through the whole page for it too make sense because most of them are pretty lame.

its more then just that though. it is easy to tell if someone is not in the right mind. it would be painfully obvious by the things he did. but, lets say that he is nuts. how does he have friends who are smart enough to pull off tricks that fool thousands? why do they follow him?

I’m glad you brought this up.
Think of all the religions out there.
Christianity
Jewdism
Wiccan
Mormon
Islam
Muslim
Satanism
Buddhism

Well those are a few of the popular ones. Now I know for a fact that Jewdism believes that the Messiah has not come yet and Christianity does believe that the Messiah has come. Now one of them has to be wrong. Same with the rest of them. So think about 100s of millions of people are being fooled since there can only be one true religion. So ho


They all believe in one God though. Plus most of those are based of off differen’t time frames and regions of the world. For them its just a differen’t understanding of God.

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kev360 wrote:
Apocalyptic Gladiator wrote: For what religion?

me? christianity. i’m sort of.....obsessed, lest say....


*Puts on Jersey*

WOOH! Jesus FANS!!!

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