Kev you wernt even there, i dont remember you on any thing
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
kev360 wrote:
that was funny as hell. i got through about 5 of them, and it was mostly just errors on the part of the writers. you have to remember that it had a targeted audience that is not quite as advanced in the sciences as we are today. all the contradictions that i saw were just relative, kind of like the whole forgiving 7 times 77 times or whatever.
wow, this could be fun kyle.
psh, the different versions, yes, but it is still mostly the original if you go by new translations. there have been slight changes through history, but only near the forming of it to get rid of false books in it. rumors spread easily, and they did their best to stop those from getting into the bible.
when does the bible contradict itself (sorry, way to lazy to read that whole page.)
faith needs a basis of some sort. there could be no faith if there was no reason to have it. the earth does not belong to god. it is the devils right now. christians are 'behind enemy lines'. thats why things aren’t perfect, and can’t be. that is why there will be a second coming.
if a nut case comes up to you claiming to be the son of god, you damn well know it. its pretty obvious. yet, one of the biggest religions on earth spawned from this man. how would so many people believe a nut job?
When the nutjob is doing “miracles” which could be his friends acting, it might be more believable as you in AG said they didn’t know as much back then so they probably didn’t have as much common sense. You have to read through the whole page for it too make sense because most of them are pretty lame.
its more then just that though. it is easy to tell if someone is not in the right mind. it would be painfully obvious by the things he did. but, lets say that he is nuts. how does he have friends who are smart enough to pull off tricks that fool thousands? why do they follow him?
I’m glad you brought this up.
Think of all the religions out there.
Christianity
Jewdism
Wiccan
Mormon
Islam
Muslim
Satanism
Buddhism
Well those are a few of the popular ones. Now I know for a fact that Jewdism believes that the Messiah has not come yet and Christianity does believe that the Messiah has come. Now one of them has to be wrong. Same with the rest of them. So think about 100s of millions of people are being fooled since there can only be one true religion. So ho
a lot of the bigger religions are very similar to each other. for example, muslims, jews, mormons and christians all believe almost the same thing, with minor changes. also, a lot of religions don’t have as big of a centerpiece as christ, though i’m not sure of that. either way, becouse so many religions are so similar, it becomes almost just a question of interpretation of different things. its not as much that people are being fooled by different major figures as over time things become distorted.
so, no you dident hold me or any one else off, you ran away.
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
ya, after a few days becouse there were about 5 of you and i wasn’t getting anywhere. as i said before, its not whether your right or wrong its how many people you have.
kev360 wrote:
you know what sucks? i would love to argue this, but knowing this sight, i’m about to get owned by about 5 more people. i’m dreading that...its not whether your right or wrong, its how many people you bring...
What does that mean?
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the21gamer wrote:
fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
bull shit kev! I was in with 10 of you and I still stood up. I mean if your going to belive in God, you should stick up for him every now and then, and its not like we could do anything to you, where over the web!
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
what the fuck would be good about arguing, weasel? i’m not going to convert someone online becouse i beat them in an argument. if anything, they will be more against christianity then when they started the whole thing. so, why do i have this duty to argue? i argue over religion a lot. for example, at school, i’m like a loose canon, becouse i know that if i win the argument, i can press on and actually make a difference. here, its totally pointless.
ram- it means that if there are 5 people saying that your wrong, even if you are right, then its going to be a serious pain in the ass to prove them all wrong, especially if a couple are good at arguing. to win an argument, it takes knowing the facts, and being good at arguing. being right hardly even plays in. thats why some arguments can go on for so long. the more people you have, the more cumulative knowledge you have, and the more likely that you will have someone good at arguing.
Ok, first of all, if I had time, I could offer a much better explanation than what the “Biblical scholar” did. If you were to put someone like Ravy Zachariah in that and have him answer, he’d not only give a good answer on the part of Christianity, but a rational one as well.
Second, the claim that there are more believers than thinkers is 100% false. One cannot accept God without first being a thinking person as opposed to religion. They have to realize that they have a need for God in their lives and understand that He loves them and sent Jesus to the cross to die for their sins. That in itself involves thinking, so that fact alone disproves that claim. To boot, those who accept Christ also have the knowledge of God through the Holy Spirit, which I hold partly responsible for the words I am writing here on God’s and my behalf.
Third, I have a short-but-sweet answer concerning the so called “variations on the Bible” per versions. Guys...every company who prints Bibles translates the Hebrew and Greek texts differently with different translators who use different words to describe different terms. If you don’t believe me, go look up any Greek or Hebrew word or term on Google or elsewhere and see for yourself that they often have more than one completely different meaning, though somewhat along the same lines. And the Bible has been translated into a few different base languages, so minor details such as how many horsemen King David captured may have been different.
Fourth, little contradictions or differences such as how many horsemen King David captured are in my opinion, irrelevant. The version or verbiage of the Bible may be somewhat varied in a few places, but the overall point and theme of the Bible ALWAYS REMAINS THE SAME! I don’t see any conflicting versions of the Bible that don’t include Jesus Christ, His death on the cross, or anything else significant that pertains to the Gospels or God’s love for man.
Now, I know this will inevitably trigger more challenges from athiestic people on here, so let me save them the trouble of commenting -
You may try and hack away at Christianity all you wish, but in the end - My Faith remains solid and strong, and so does the Faith of all true Christians. I encourage those who don’t know Jesus to at least read one or all of the four Gospels in the Bible. Instead of gleaning your anti-Christian opinions from so called “experts on the lack of Biblical Truth”, I challenge you to view the very souce material that they are disputing and decide for yourself before you comment against it. To do otherwise would be like saying the sky is red just because you heard it from someone who claims to be an expert on it.
So go to it....
--- Legends are usually bad news. There’s not a lot of difference between heroes and madmen...
Last edited 10 Apr 2007 10:16 am by Captain Falcon
Falcon: all ready did. And don’t think its just Atheists who have a problem with people who say they will burn in hell, every one dose.
Kev: no it inset, nothing is pointless, and if you truly want to make a difference, then you will take every opportunity to do so, even if the possibility is remote.
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
So I was watching the Science channel a couple nights ago. They were talking about back in the day how Scientists, Physicists and Astronomers were being prosecuted, killed and/or banished by the major religions during their time for proving wrong explanations of earth, space, etc. that the Bible had written. Example; For it “was” written at one time that the Earth was the center of the Universe meaning the moon, the sun, all the planets and stars all rotated around the earth. Religion made-up this bullshit little explanation of how everything in the universe rotated around the Earth. The sheep believed it thus many astronomers and scientists unjustly paid the consequences for revealing the truth. It had since been proven wrong but at one time this was actually gospel in the big book. Known fact right there, man wrote the Bible! You’d think an all knowing God whom has created the Earth, Stars and Sun would have somewhat a an actual knowledge on the subject. This is just one little example but I’ve heard throughout the years of many contradicting factors in the bible. It just makes no sense to me. Some these Scientists are known today as Sir Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Nicolaus Copernicus, Galileo Galilei, Leonardo da Vinci to name a few. All forerunners of modern science which challenged and proved wrong many of the ludacris theories created by religion.
You’ve all seen the lost tribes in the jungle (on a TV documentary or something to the like) and you just know that they worship to unrealistic gods. They jump from trees, sacrifice virgins, stick knives and sharp object through their cheeks, ears, nose, etc. in hopes to have a successful crop season. Sounds ridiculous right? Well, this is how I see people in society today that worship the popular religions. To many contradictions and Not one shred of evidence this god exists. They take blind faith over facts which is just pure stupidity for any species. I find it funny that every time throughout history Science proves the Bible wrong, The Bible magically instantiates a new revision/version to coincide with proven science. It’s kind of ridiculous, they all look like neanderthals, tribal people or blind sheep through my eyes that flock to church every Sunday to worship an inconsistent fairy tail. It’s ignorance in it’s full glory.
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Last edited 10 Apr 2007 01:57 pm by Xtrm Liability
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
Well just ot let everyone know I’m not agnostic, I was just trying to argue that side, and well I guess it was fun. This is car dice13 just in case you didn’t know
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
weasel, why would i argue if i felt that i was doing more harm then good if i honestly beleived what i was arguing for?
xtrm, you through in a couple of random verses to go against my case, i call that arguing. lol. the funny thing is that was the one thing in the entire arguemnt that really got to me. i didn’t know what to think for a while. lol.
can someone summerise that article above? i’m way to lazy to read it. i will eventualy probably, but a summery would be nice...lol.
if you believe it goes ether way, then you wont be steering people who are all ready christen away from god, and you might find some one who is looking for answers, just sitting in on the argument. its the unknowns you should worry about.
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
kev360 wrote:
you know what sucks? i would love to argue this, but knowing this sight, i’m about to get owned by about 5 more people. i’m dreading that...its not whether your right or wrong, its how many people you bring...
What does that mean?
Yeah...if your right, you won’t have any problem holding off an army of em, cus you can counter everything they say...if you are right...
kev360 wrote:
you know what sucks? i would love to argue this, but knowing this sight, i’m about to get owned by about 5 more people. i’m dreading that...its not whether your right or wrong, its how many people you bring...
What does that mean?
Yeah...if your right, you won’t have any problem holding off an army of em, cus you can counter everything they say...if you are right...
you don’t honestly believe that, do you? why do you think that there are so many types of denominations of christains? why do you think the superman vs goku thread has gone on for so long? its not weather your right or wrong.
i’m not going to spend serious amounts of time only causing visible damage on an off chance that someone is watching me...
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