Wolf, you may believe what you believe. But I believe in what I believe. I believe that the most original versions of the Bible are the most divine ones. I know that Satan is hindering us in our paths, from reaching our goals through unaware people like yourself.
The validity of the original (Jewish/Greek/KJV) Bible is proven through a variety of methods. One common and provable method (even to the most stubborn atheist) is the Bible code.
Through the method of the Bible Code, original Jewish Old Testament writings have been run through a complex aglorinth (with the help of computers — of course) and as end result hidden text is revealed.
This hidden and embeded text has pointed directly to Jesus as the Messiah, has predicted many points in history (in present’s past and future) and aligns greatly with events that happened in the Greek New Testament. One of it’s main future predictions (which aligns with the predictions in the New Testament Revelation) is the War of Armageddon (the war to end all wars).
Along to this, vast amounts of written archeological historical data have fit hand in hand with the records of the Bible. One example is the Gilgemesh Epic, which is an ancient story of a great flood, quite similar to the account in the Bible.
Even one of the most imaginative and perplexing topics of the Bible — The creation, has been proven scientifically to be staggeringly accurate. The majority of fossil and bone evidence around the world point at a young earth, and prove the accountability of the flood.
As you can see, there is much “reality” in the Bible.
The Bible is the main authority in Christianity, and not the church leaders or groups. The Bible is the Word of God.
Yes, many people take advantage of the Bible to gain money or power. People have made altered versions of God’s word under Satan’s influence, or under personal greed.
Satan want’s to confuse the people of this earth, and ultimately lead them into death and destruction.
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Proffessor_gad wrote:
Wolf, you may believe what you believe. But I believe in what I believe. I believe that the most original versions of the Bible are the most divine ones. I know that Satan is hindering us in our paths, from reaching our goals through unaware people like yourself.
You know its funny that yous say that. I actually know what lies beyond after death and I don’t need any book to tell me otherwise. Now don’t get me wrong here, but I Do respect your beliefs and what they stand for and that is primarily hope and salvation through faith and goodness. You believe what you read and I will believe what is true through experiance. In the end, neither will change the final outcome of what awaits us on the otherside
Most of my reply here doesn’t really fit with what you have described is happening, as your experiance seems far more real ad dramatic, but here goes with a quick waffling session . . . .
Sanity (or what seems to be a lack of it) is a persons own feelings & opinions of what’s happening. If you are actually 'seeing' what seems to be demons, then you could ask yourself . . .
why do i see them like they are?
Am i seeing ordinary people & fitting there actions in to that of a perception of 'demonic'
Have i just been guided into thinking about what i see? (from TV, books etc.) and stress is doing the rest?
Everybody at some time 'thinks' they have seen 'something'. If what you see is always out of your direct focus (e.g. things moving at the side of you but never specific, just shadows) then (seriously) that could be a medical problem (our brains see what we think we see, not always what is real).
If you clearly see things moving, watching, and they 'appear' to also see you, then that needs special consideration and help. If you are religious, then by all means, do go see a relevent person - but be aware, you may be treated with suspicion, so you must be honest - do not exagerate for a dramtic effect.
If you hear voices telling you to do things? well, thats different. Most people talk to themselves (especially when living alone). And talkin to yourself in your own mind is 100% OK, as long as you don’t 'pursuade' yourself to do dangerous things.
A very fertive imagination, and a desire for excitement can easily (in some people) cause odd thoughts.
Several million people around the world fit into that category, and they vent that desire thru mystical video games, others with films & books (personaly i loved the old HEXEN video game ). Others have dreams too (or instead).
Head 'noises' are a common medical problem, so that depends on the clarity of the voices. Often noted by dizzy spells, balance problems, or flashing vision/lights.
Whatever it is that you find out in time, consider yourself very lucky to not to have been alive 3 hundred years ago eh?
If indeed, you have not put this topic as a joke, i’d be interested to know more about what you have seen/heard. Not that i don’t 'believe' in ghosties and demons, but i do find it hard to explain all that i have seen.
Well the noise I heard is similar to to a screaming, and it happened in the middle of one night. The screaming however was not a human scream, it was demonic-like.
I have heard similar reports (mainly from un-baptistic christians) of hearing noises. These are mimicks from Satan used to scare the people of God.
However there is nothing to fear, for God sends his guardian angels as protection to those who love him, and trust in him.
Those who are on the evil side are constantly harassed with Satan’s mimicks plus: emptiness, loneliness, fright, un-temperance, and feeling of commiting suicide (commonly with the murder of others at the same time), and unmoral addictions.
According to this we can clearly tell which religions and people are on the side of good, and which ones are on the side of evil.
Eg- Muslims believe in suicide with accompaning terrorist murder of others. Our loving God doesn’t want people to die, but he is giving them all a chance to be saved from their sinful nature.
Any religious leaders that use their “religion” as a free ticket to destruction and murder are also from satan.
*Prof reads rules... Edits some stuff about specific religions*
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Last edited 27 Apr 2007 04:39 pm by Proffessor_gad
Proffessor_gad wrote:
Well the noise I heard is similar to to a screaming, and it happened in the middle of one night. The screaming however was not a human scream, it was demonic-like.
I have heard similar reports (mainly from un-baptistic christians) of hearing noises. These are mimicks from Satan used to scare the people of God.
However there is nothing to fear, for God sends his guardian angels as protection to those who love him, and trust in him.
Those who are on the evil side are constantly harassed with Satan’s mimicks plus: emptiness, loneliness, fright, un-temperance, and feeling of commiting suicide (commonly with the murder of others at the same time), and unmoral addictions.
According to this we can clearly tell which religions and people are on the side of good, and which ones are on the side of evil.
Eg- Muslims believe in suicide with accompaning terrorist murder of others. Our loving God doesn’t want people to die, but he is giving them all a chance to be saved from their sinful nature. Therefore ALLAH=SATAN and JEHOVAH=GOD;
Any religious leaders that use their “religion” as a free ticket to destruction and murder are also from satan.
Wow you really are a hardliner Christian.
How is it Mr Gad that you know what a demon sounds like. Noises can be attributed to all sorts of things and it was like a human but demon like???
What exactly is that supposed to mean. It could have been anything, cats, feral possums, raccoons hell anything can be percieved as something in the right mindset.
The thing I find amusing is how you are quick to shoot down other religions as being evil, yet you really seem to have no knowledge of what you are talking about.
OOOH thats strange...must be he devils work...
BAH, You wouldn’t know a devil/demon/satan’s spawn if it bit you on the ass.
I guess your Christianity promotes blind faith and a fear of whats different.
Funny thing is, when you die, yep, its inevitable, you will find out the truth for your self. By all means, follow your faith, you seem to be a real good Christian. Demeaning all other faiths like a true messiah. Good for you and have fun with your faith and good luck converting others to your cause.
Myself being the embodiment of evil and purveyor of the dark will continue to live my life with absolutely no fear or wrath from your God and unlike you, I will not be trying to convince people of any religions merits, especially not my own.
Demons are nothing more than your worries and anxieties taking control over you rather than you taking control over them. The Taurah, the Bible and the Quran use the demons as symbolisms of our fears, anxieties, desires and animal natures.
Proffessor_gad wrote:
Eg- Muslims believe in suicide with accompaning terrorist murder of others. Our loving God doesn’t want people to die, but he is giving them all a chance to be saved from their sinful nature. Therefore ALLAH=SATAN and JEHOVAH=GOD;
Any religious leaders that use their “religion” as a free ticket to destruction and murder are also from satan.
That’s a pretty ignorant thing to say.
Muslim terrorists, suicide bombers, and the like are extremists. Not all Muslims feel the need to run into a crowd and blow themselves up.
And it’s not like christians haven’t done anything extreme..
Salem witch trials, anyone? They murdered 19 innocent people “in the name of God."
And don’t forget the use of fear to get people to follow them.
“If you don’t become one of us, you will burn for eternity."
Proffessor_gad wrote:
Eg- Muslims believe in suicide with accompaning terrorist murder of others. Our loving God doesn’t want people to die, but he is giving them all a chance to be saved from their sinful nature. Therefore ALLAH=SATAN and JEHOVAH=GOD;
Any religious leaders that use their “religion” as a free ticket to destruction and murder are also from satan.
That’s a pretty ignorant thing to say.
Muslim terrorists, suicide bombers, and the like are extremists. Not all Muslims feel the need to run into a crowd and blow themselves up.
And it’s not like christians haven’t done anything extreme..
Salem witch trials, anyone? They murdered 19 innocent people “in the name of God."
And don’t forget the use of fear to get people to follow them.
“If you don’t become one of us, you will burn for eternity.“
As I said above, Professor_gad seems to be a hardliner Christian who sees all religions as inferior to his own.
I am pretty extreme in my religion, however I am not inferior to ALL other religions.
My hardy opinion is that all people who commit vicious murders, and destruction are obviously not from God (even if they claim there actions to be results of God’s will, and do it in the name of God).
I wouldn’t know if the sound that I heard was from a demon or not, but it wasn’t something that you could percieve otherwise. Like I said, It sounded “Demonic”, not physical or of things that you would hear normaly in this life. It doesn’t matter much though, because it only happened once.
Since Firewolf really seems to want to set me off track with his “You won’t know until you get there” reasoning of afterlife... Let me share my logic:
It doesn’t hurt a person to live a good-moral esteemed life here on earth in the name of his/her religion. Good morals and conduct always lead to the better since they reap good results.
And if the religion that the given person persues is really true, then that given person will end up going to his/her “Place of rest”.
So either way, be my religion ultimately true or not, I profit from my actions.
However, I hold reason for believing that my path is correct. Ever since I turned my face away from the path of this world I have felt a completeness within me and an actual struggle against evil.
My free desicion to persue Christianity and follow the path of Christ has made me feel light, knowing that the things of this earth do not matter as much as the things of heaven. My religion is my source of potential, and inspiration. I don’t know what I would do a day without it.
I am sure, that my religion isn’t a “dead religion”. It makes a difference in my life. And if it didn’t, I wouldn’t be posting this here.
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Proffessor_gad wrote:
I am pretty extreme in my religion, however I am not inferior to ALL other religions.
No one ever said you were, what I did say and you have just confirmed it, is the fact that you think all religions are inferior to your own.
You perceive as Christianity as the way to go. All other followings are null and void and are the work of the devil...so on and so forth.
You rely on the good faith that if you live a moral Christian life, you will be blessed in heaven, am I right?
Many of the Christian ideals promote closed mindedness.
I ask you this..
What is your opinion on the 7 deadly sins?
What is your opinion on Homosexuality?
On abortions?
and where is the miracles that are supposed to happen to good Christian followers in their time of need?
I am not trying to 'set you off track'
Surely your religion isn’t that closed that you can not discuss that points of views of other religions or ideas.
All I am saying is that Knowing what I do about what happens when you die, I can live a life that is not built on the hope for salvation.
Oh and how you try and say that I am the on in the dark is really quite amusing. I am much more open about your religion and the religions of others. If you only knew my beliefs you would see that I know your so called God exists. I acknowledge his existence and hell, he has even helped me before in my life, but knowing the true nature of things gives me a new perspective on life.
According to your beliefs, I should be burning in hell.. yep, I have died once and it was Suicide too, yet here I sit typing words onto the computer screen. Now shouldn’t I be Burning in agony? and isn’t hell eternal...hmmm
Now you may scoff at my claims and to me it is of no consequence or say that I am lying about my suicide, but why would I lie to you. Its against my morals.
Yep, us supposed 'unaware ' devil worshipers do have Moral codes and ideals of what is right and wrong. Mine has protected innocent and not so innocent people from my wrath for a great many years.
I even invite your fellow Christians, the representors of local churches, into my home for a chat about their religion over a cup of tea and some biscuits.
I am not trying to debunk our faith. If your faith keeps you strong in the face of adversity, than it serves its purpose.
But I must say, I find your preaching and ignorance quite appalling. People are not to be converted, they should be educated and be allowed to make their own decisions based on their own ideals.
Trying to convince someone to defect or join a religious sect by attacking the integrity of other faiths is both amoral and deceitful.
1) All sins are alike in the eyes of our Lord. A small sin is as great as the large one. Every person must come closer to the perfection that is inpossible to acheive.
2) My opinion of Homosexuality is the same as of other sexual misconceptions. God made one man, and one woman for that one man. God didn’t make Adam and Larry in the Garden of Eden, nor did he make “Eve and Sally”. Well, you see my point?
This doesn’t mean that if two people of the same sex like each other, they can’t live with each other. It simply restricts certain relationships to male/female couples.
3) Miracles are scarce today, because they are not as necessary as they were before.
Even though miracles are scarce, miracles still exist — you yourself claim to have escaped the claws of death. My strict belief and persuit of Biblical truth is the result of a divine dream I had many years ago.
4) On first impression especially via your avatar/signiture, and your personality I find it really hard to believe that you are on the “good side”. But all will be clear as we continue in our debate.
Other answers:
No I don’t want you to go to Hell, but I know that you deserve to go to Hell just like I do.
I believe that every person on the face of the earth is sinful in nature, and deserves to go to Hell. But God’s mercy reaches it’s hands to those who change their paths and walk towards the light. Like I said before “God wants everyone to be saved”. God sometimes will even perform miracles if the result is a saved person/group of people.
If I were the hypocrite you think I am, I would have yelled my head off at all of you, stopped tolerating your questions, and said “Golly Gosh Geeze! — Go the the devil”
I am stubborn about my religion, and it is not simply because that is what I have been taught to do since birth. There are plenty of teenagers who were raised in christian homes, yet didn’t convert and went on by their own paths.
I have compared my beliefs with the Holy Scriptures, and applied neccessary changes. I spend time in churches and in meetings with people who are close to me in my beliefs. The Bible is my main authority, and I believe that it should be the authority of all Christians.
The reason I oppose you, and your sincere words, is because you seek to make me more tolerant towards the religions and ideas in which I do not believe. Another reason I oppose you is because your beliefs and perceptions don’t really align with what is taught in the Bible, they rely on personal experience — And all of my beliefs are according to the Bible.
--- — Son of God. So who’s son are you?
— Wanna get saved (wesleyan-baptist style)? Send me a PM!
Ahhh Professor_gad, you do bring a smile to my face
I really do enjoy our chats on here.
Anyhow, in response to your previous post..
Proffessor_gad wrote:
1) All sins are alike in the eyes of our Lord. A small sin is as great as the large one. Every person must come closer to the perfection that is inpossible to acheive.
Ok if this is true, how come ENVY, one of the deadly Sins can lead to this so called perfection. Without envy, people would be complacent in their situation, no matter how dire it might be. Envy is often the driving force for someone to better themselves and their situation.
What about Wrath. God himself is guilty of this sin, so how can he exist in heaven if he has himself committed a sin. One can not forgive themselves, only god can.
What about greed. The Christian faith is always trying to convince people to enter the folds of their faith. Don’t you think that is a bit greedy. Also Pride, you are as guilt as any other Strong willed Christian. You are proud of your faith and you are certain that is will save you. You have exhibited Pride by commenting on the superiority of your religion to that of others.
Proffessor_gad wrote:
2) My opinion of Homosexuality is the same as of other sexual misconceptions. God made one man, and one woman for that one man. God didn’t make Adam and Larry in the Garden of Eden, nor did he make “Eve and Sally”. Well, you see my point?
So how is it if GOD created us in his own image, that Homosexuality even exists? Why is there homosexual priests r even Pedophile priests for that matter. These representatives of your lord and savior committing atrocities against children and other males in a house of GOD. How is it that your almighty being allows this to take place in his dominion. It cant be the devils work as these acts take place on sacred hallowed grounds, inside churches ect. Places where the devil is supposed to have no dominion. How can your lord save you if he can’t even save his own children in his own house?
Proffessor_gad wrote:
3) Miracles are scarce today, because they are not as necessary as they were before.
Do you really think this to be true. Now more than ever, the Christian faith is faltering all around the world. Natural disasters, acts of terrorism, high school shootings, wars ect.. the list goes on. We live in a time and age of fear. A time where the people need hope. You say that there is no need for miracles. Could it be that back when Miracles happened quite frequently, they could simply be explained as events or happenings that the people had no grasp or understanding of? We have a greater understanding of science, of the way the world works ect. Isn’t strange how the occurance of miracles has steadily decreased as our understanding of the world we live in has increased.
Back in the days of Jesus, when someone who was sick with pox or legions got healthy, it was a miracle. Now days, it is just a matter of course, due to the marvels of medical science.
Proffessor_gad wrote:
If I were the hypocrite you think I am, I would have yelled my head off at all of you, stopped tolerating your questions, and said “Golly Gosh Geeze! — Go the the devil”
And where did I ever say you were a hypocrite?
Proffessor_gad wrote:
The reason I oppose you, and your sincere words, is because you seek to make me more tolerant towards the religions and ideas in which I do not believe. Another reason I oppose you is because your beliefs and perceptions don’t really align with what is taught in the Bible, they rely on personal experience — And all of my beliefs are according to the Bible.
Ahh so its the old blind faith over reason thing.
I am fine with that. I don’t wish to change your faith. what you believe in is really of no consequence to me. Your faith will not change what I know nor think.
Proffessor_gad wrote:
4) On first impression especially via your avatar/signiture, and your personality I find it really hard to believe that you are on the “good side”. But all will be clear as we continue in our debate.
Hah. Thats kinda funny. You know, by your definition outlined by your faith, I am what you could call a demon. Well at least in part anyhow. I consider myself a dual being.I have a dark side and moral side. Definitions of good and evil would label me as a evil person. I know this and I keep myself in check. I have a loving family and I behave myself. Keep in mind that this is by your Christian definition. My own experiences and faith don’t draw the same comparisons as your faith does and quite frankly, you would have a rather difficult time understanding all the aspects that make up me.
If you saw what I could do you would most likely label it as the devils work. I am guessing that is how the Christian faithful label certain Psychic and spiritual abilities, is it not?
Proffessor_gad wrote:
No I don’t want you to go to Hell, but I know that you deserve to go to Hell just like I do.
Again, you purport to know what waits for me and what I deserve based on what, your initial impressions of me. It really is funny how you think that what your read is far and away better than actual experiance. In any circumstance, I am already in hell. I am caged and constrained to perform in society and watch the earth slowly wither and die under the destructive hand of man, whom according to your faith was created in his own image. Wouldn’t that make your lord a destructive being rather than the creator of life that he is supposed to be.
In any case, before my time is up, mankind will see what truly awaits them and I will have my chance to be free.
I believe your faith refers to it as Armageddon/ the Apocalypse.
Wolf wrote:
Ahhh Professor_gad, you do bring a smile to my face
I really do enjoy our chats on here.
Yes, It allows us both to think.
Wolf wrote:
Ok if this is true, how come ENVY, one of the deadly Sins can lead to this so called perfection. Without envy, people would be complacent in their situation, no matter how dire it might be. Envy is often the driving force for someone to better themselves and their situation.
What about Wrath. God himself is guilty of this sin, so how can he exist in heaven if he has himself committed a sin. One can not forgive themselves, only god can.
Can you define to me what you cosider Good and Evil? It seems to me that you percieve anything of negative effect as Evil, and anything of good effect as Good.
In my perception Good is the product of Love, and Evil is the product of Hate. Under this definition all of these questions may be answered.
1)Envy can help a person reach towards the better, but if it is under the influence of hate towards another person then this isn’t Envy — it is Hate accompanied with Jealousy.
2)Wrath can at some times be considered as Good, and at others be considered as Evil.
In God’s case, He punishes demoralized people of their sins hoping that they would learn from their punishments and stop commiting their sins.
When a loving father punishes his child he doesn’t punish the child because he is wicked and wants to hear the child scream from pain, he punishes him so that the child wouldn’t do bad deeds anymore.
Another aspect of God’s wrath is elimination. This is what I would compare to a doctor dealing with cancer.
God allows people to do their sins, only as long as there is a chance that those people by personal free will could convert.
Once God sees that there is no chance for the given sinner, or sinners to be saved, He eliminates them so that the people surrounding them would not suffer.
Wolf wrote:
What about greed. The Christian faith is always trying to convince people to enter the folds of their faith. Don’t you think that is a bit greedy. Also Pride, you are as guilt as any other Strong willed Christian. You are proud of your faith and you are certain that is will save you. You have exhibited Pride by commenting on the superiority of your religion to that of others.
3) When people of a certain religion seek to convert the person of another religion (or of none religion at all) it is not always accompanied with greed.
Do you think that I am debating you out of greed to get you on my side? Or is it because I am proud of my religion and want to show of how righteous I am?
People who influence others into their religion do this because:
A) It is an obligation of their religion.
(The less common one) They love the other person and want them to experience what they feel in their religion.
Wolf wrote:
So how is it if GOD created us in his own image, that Homosexuality even exists? Why is there homosexual priests r even Pedophile priests for that matter. These representatives of your lord and savior committing atrocities against children and other males in a house of GOD. How is it that your almighty being allows this to take place in his dominion. It cant be the devils work as these acts take place on sacred hallowed grounds, inside churches ect. Places where the devil is supposed to have no dominion. How can your lord save you if he can’t even save his own children in his own house?
So you think that Catholic (an other religious) priests who are homosexual deserve to call themselves priests of the Holy God? Do you think that God’s presence is in temples and places where demoralized people are?
Also, as I said before: People of the same sex can live with each other if they love each other. But some relationships between people are restricted to husband/wife.
Wolf wrote:
Do you really think this to be true. Now more than ever, the Christian faith is faltering all around the world. Natural disasters, acts of terrorism, high school shootings, wars ect.. the list goes on. We live in a time and age of fear. A time where the people need hope. You say that there is no need for miracles. Could it be that back when Miracles happened quite frequently, they could simply be explained as events or happenings that the people had no grasp or understanding of? We have a greater understanding of science, of the way the world works ect. Isn’t strange how the occurance of miracles has steadily decreased as our understanding of the world we live in has increased.
Back in the days of Jesus, when someone who was sick with pox or legions got healthy, it was a miracle. Now days, it is just a matter of course, due to the marvels of medical science.
Science and Medicine is obviously the main reason why people do not need miracles as much.
Another large reason is disbelief. Today people have been so caught up in fake “magician” miracles, that if true miracles were to occur they wouldn’t see the difference. They would consider all miracles and magic “tricks”.
Besides, the day and age of miracles has passed. Today people believe what is reasonable, not what they see.
Wolf wrote:
And where did I ever say you were a hypocrite?
You didn’t say it, but you were thinking it. I read between the lines...
You probably think that I am a mean, rock-hard, extremist Christian that wants you to go to Hell and doesn’t care about the other religions of this world.
Likewise, when I first met you I thought that you were a demonized person — Especially since you have background knowledge of how demons interact with people.
As we continue our debate we will gain a closer understanding of each other’s motives.
Wolf wrote:
Ahh so its the old blind faith over reason thing.
I am fine with that. I don’t wish to change your faith. what you believe in is really of no consequence to me. Your faith will not change what I know nor think.
Perseverence can do wonders. As I explained, my belief is mainly on faith but is backed up with reality. Before I posted some good proofs for the Bible which is the foundation to my faith.
Wolf wrote:
Hah. Thats kinda funny. You know, by your definition outlined by your faith, I am what you could call a demon. Well at least in part anyhow. I consider myself a dual being.I have a dark side and moral side. Definitions of good and evil would label me as a evil person. I know this and I keep myself in check. I have a loving family and I behave myself. Keep in mind that this is by your Christian definition. My own experiences and faith don’t draw the same comparisons as your faith does and quite frankly, you would have a rather difficult time understanding all the aspects that make up me.
If you saw what I could do you would most likely label it as the devils work. I am guessing that is how the Christian faithful label certain Psychic and spiritual abilities, is it not?
I apologize if I offended you by considering you an evil mastermind that wants to beat me off track... However I still stand firm that there is no middle in the sphere of Good/VS/Evil.
You have to pick a side, and not go with what seems to profit you more.
Wolf wrote:
Again, you purport to know what waits for me and what I deserve based on what, your initial impressions of me. It really is funny how you think that what your read is far and away better than actual experiance. In any circumstance, I am already in hell. I am caged and constrained to perform in society and watch the earth slowly wither and die under the destructive hand of man, whom according to your faith was created in his own image. Wouldn’t that make your lord a destructive being rather than the creator of life that he is supposed to be.
I stated that I myself deserve to go to Hell, and everybody deserves to go to Hell. It’s not a one-person deal.
No-one is as good and holy as God is, so no-one would stand up to God’s holiness in heaven. Therefore God washes us from our sins with the sacrifice of his Son, and forgives our trespass.
And even though the most religious Christians are free of the burden of their sins, they are unworthy of entering God’s kingdom for their past.
God is merciful and allows people to enter heaven if they try to do what is good.
God made man perfect, man spoiled himself. You don’t ever see God sending fireballs from heaven destroying this world. God is not destructive. Man, who has turned his face towards evil, is destructive. Man sends the fireballs from heaven.
Wolf wrote:
In any case, before my time is up, mankind will see what truly awaits them and I will have my chance to be free.
I believe your faith refers to it as Armageddon/ the Apocalypse.
Those last few words lead me to believe something you claim not be true. Lol (:
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Last edited 28 Apr 2007 04:53 pm by Proffessor_gad
.R.E.A.L.I.T.Y. wrote:
I am extremely confused cause i didnt bother read this forums name so i have no idea what the topic is about
This started out as a topic discussing how to remove demonic influence — then it turned into a topic where Wolf and I are debating about some moral-mental-physcological-spiritual issues (In particular Christianity).
If all turns out good we can come to a compromise, otherwise we are wasting time and should be learning how to program in CSS and Java.
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Yes, you were here... When me and my friend did some serious debunking with those evolutionists and athiests... And when I left I said to myself “I will return”...
Well now I am back, with more knowledge, wisdom, and resources. Movie codec will once again become a warground for religious and moral debates. Because there is still time, until all is revealed.
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Last edited 28 Apr 2007 05:06 pm by Proffessor_gad
I post this so you have a better understanding where I am coming from
First off. the human Soul does exist. Not in some kind spiritual way but as electricity. not enough to zap somone but there is a small electrical current that flows through our bodies..
When you die, That electrical charge leaves your body and enters the atmosphere. A higher plain if you will. Now your core consciousness, the essence of who you are is contained within that charge or soul.
Now to the part about what what awaits you on the other side.
the Afterlife so to speak, is basically what you make of it. It can be different for each and every person. You imagine your own Heaven so to speak. Now this does not limit you to being isolated. You can meld with other soul spaces and become part of that space and time.
Now there are such a thing as evil souls and good souls. Just as there are humans capable of good and evil, there are souls who are capable of such also. the heaven and hell that Christianity so fondly believes in does indeed exist. It is the collaborative effort of those whom believe in it. The people who die and consider themselves damned will possess a certain static polarity that identify s them and attracts them to the collective mass of negative souls. Now because these people do not believe any different and truly believe that they are doomed, they are then bound by the belief and unable to escape the situation. The same is for heaven. It is what people make of it. there are different heavens for different people.
Suicide is a tricky one. Because of the despair and anguish it takes for someone to endtheir life, their soul is often greeted with a inky blackness. Almost a physical manifestation of depression and nothingness. This is not something you want to have. Trust me. It is like a black tar that is everywhere. There is no light. It is pitch black and you can feel it sliding over you. cold and wet, like slime. You can feel its hatred and evilness. Its pure negativeness. yet yo have no where to go. you are stuck. locked in forever.
Now, it is possible to escape if you realize the truth about life itself and what it meant to you.
Now onto past lives and reincarnation. It is possible to break from this higher plane and descend into the world that we all remember. This is where all those sightings of ghosts and poltergeists come into it. they are tired of the life that is their imagination and they descend to interact with those that are still of closed mind.
Reincarnation is possible when two similar polarity souls meld to become one. Now all people are reincarnated at some time. Most are not aware of their past life or choose to remain un-receptive to he knowledge of past lives. A soul can chose to re-incarnate because they become bored or they try and make things different again. have one more shot at life, so to speak.
re-incarnation can also occur when a soul is attracted to another by static attraction. This can occur when two past souls whom were closely co joined in previous lives are drawn to each other and produce a powerful joint soul which inhabits a body that becomes more capable than most and has been known to make a difference to the world.
That is the quick version anyhow. I can explain thing in more depth, however a guys gotta eat.
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(The less common one) They love the other person and want them to experience what they feel in their religion.
