| 07 Jun 2007 06:14 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 24  Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,618 OFFLINE | global warming is bull shit wrote:
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
HALOOOOOOOO wrote:
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
me and me wrote:
how you can prevent global warming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpQr51JeRw
PLEASE WATCH ME VID
global warming is nothing really to worry about.
I KNEW IT WAS THE CLOWNS!!!
But they didn’t believe me...they said I was crazy...tried to put me in the nut house...but I’ll show them now...oh I shall...
MUAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!
*ahem*
Well, on a serious note, global warming is but a cycle of heating and cooling, we just happen to be in the time of heating. Ya know, they used to say we were causing global cooling. Funny, huh?
But even still, we are dumping too much crap into the air and stuff. It’s like throwing dirt in a bowl of spaghetti Os. Soon, it’s gonna get really nasty and no one’s gonna wanna eat it and we’ll have to make a whole new pot of the stuff.
Read my first post again.
What makes you think you know better than the entire scientific community?
Oh OK. Just to let you know, there are very few scientists in the world that actually believe this is solely our fault... most of them think it’s just a heating cycle, which of course is the correct answer. The entire scientific community? Get real.
WAHAHAHAHAHA!
Just who are you kidding?
Sure, a few do. All the ones funded by Exxon Mobil that is.
Links to the research that proves it please?
can you link to your research senor bullshit
Fine. Firstly, don’t be a trolling little asshole.
Secondly, this website proves almost any arguement that you can have against anthropogenic global warming to be false. It’s a vast compilation of data and research, which is exceedingly useful.
I have various other links lying around that I can’t be bothered to find, but they really aren’t hard to come across, as they are the vast majority of research on the subject.
Thirdly, I’ll go through some of the leading climate change skeptics.
Tim Ball - funded by the energy industry
Pieyrs Corbin - paid by many corporations including the Yorkshire Energy Group
Paul Driessen - Noted critic of AGW, yet holds degree in geology and ecology, as opposed to something relevant to the complex nature of atmospheric cycles.
Ian Clark - Argues that GW is actually caused by solar cycles, yet his area of expertise is in fact nothing to do with climate
Paul Reiter - Has no knowledge on the topic, claims the IPCC scientists aren’t what they claim to be, holds a grudge against the IPCC, and is possibly funded by Exxon
Robert M. Carter - Marine Geophysicist who has written against AGW, but recieved funding from Exxon
Do you see a pattern here? Need I go on?
And don’t think I spent hours trawling through AGW skeptics just picking out the dodgey ones. Most of the people I chose were involved in a program called The Great Global Warming Swindle, and are outspoken critics. In searching through the people involved, probably 80% of them have irrelevant degrees and expertise, or are funded by energy companies and global corporations.
I do apologise for using Wikipedia, I know it’s generally frowned upon as a source, but it’s far quicker and easier to use that than trawl through some of the other sites. I can assure you that I’ve looked up these crooks before, and found the same answers.
Oh, and this site shows how the the current increased CO2 levels can be nothing but man made. See the long term cycle of up and down? Matching closely with temperature? That is the natural cycle. And, as you can plainly see, the current levels far exceed the natural cycle. Suggesting some other input, ie, us.
Some of the more observant of you will notice that our current temperature peak matches the time scale of the other peaks. So don’t you think it’s a really, really bad time to add a metric-assload of CO2 into the atmosphere?
As you can plainly see, our current CO2 levels are well above and beyond previous levels from the last 400,000 years. There is evidence to suggest they’re the highest they’ve been in 50 odd milllion years.
Whilst I’m at it, whoever it was that claimed that we’re just warming up after coming out of an Ice Age is totally wrong. The planet has actually cooled by o.5 degrees over an 8000 year period since the Holocene maximum, whilst the 400,000 year record shows a slight downward trend aswell. Meaning, we were cooling until the last 100 or so years.
The person who said 'they predicted global cooling in the 70’s', is also sadly misguided. To quote this article:
It is true that there were some predictions of an “imminent ice age” in the 1970s, but a cursory comparison of those warnings and today’s reveals a huge difference.
Today, you have a widespread scientific consensus, supported by national academies and all the major scientific institutions, solidly behind the warning that the temperature is rising, anthropogenic CO2 is the primary cause, and it will worsen unless we reduce emissions.
In the 1970s, there was a book in the popular press, a few articles in popular magazines, and a small amount of scientific speculation based on the recently discovered glacial cycles and the recent slight cooling trend from air pollution blocking the sunlight. There were no daily headlines. There was no avalanche of scientific articles. There were no United Nations treaties or commissions. No G8 summits on the dangers and possible solutions. No institutional pronouncements. You could find broader “consensus” on a coming alien invasion.
Quite simply, there is no comparison.
Finally, looking here wouldn’t go amiss. However, please bear in mind the reports are highly conservative and watered down, as political mangling, undertaken by China, Russia and of course, the USA, has watered the more alarming evidence and impacts down somewhat.
Enjoy.
Now, can you give me, with evidence, a reasoned arguement showing that AGW is in fact some kind of Liberal Conspiracy?
No?
I thought not.
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Spammer Rep: 14 Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 21,876 OFFLINE | hhhh wrote:
I do apologise for using Wikipedia, I know it’s generally frowned upon as a source, but it’s far quicker and easier to use that than trawl through some of the other sites. I can assure you that I’ve looked up these crooks before, and found the same answers.
Thats because all of them use wikipedia as a source
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The one and only OP Rep: 27 Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Tha King wrote:
yes agreed the world is still warming up from the last ice age it is just a cycle there is nothing to worry about
Wrong.
I don’t understand how you guys can just sit here and say 'oh Global Warming is due to some cycle thing that I barely understand'. Since when did you lot know more than the thousands of scientists in the world who have verified Global Warming’s existence? More specifically, that it’s anthropogenic? How many of you even know what that means?. The cause and existence is no longer under discussion in the serious scientific world.
Seriously, get your heads out of your asses. To think you know better than the best minds in the world is a total fallacy, and displays an untold level of arrogance.
You claim that AGW is the result of the planet’s natural cycle. Do you even understand that? Do you understand how many there are? Don’t make wild accusations at the expense of the scientific community when you know nothing of the subject.
Secondly, you claim that it’s nothing to worry about. This shows your total lack of understanding of how the complex cycles and systems of this planet works. Even slight heating of the atmosphere is catastrophic. The last time the planet’s mean temperature rose by 6 degrees; 95% of life on earth was wiped out and the sea and air turned acidic.
And what’s the current prediction for temperature rise? 6 degrees by 2080. Bearing in mind that the last rise took several thousand years, as opposed to 100, that’s pretty catastrophic. And the even more devestating news? 6 degrees is a highly conservative estimate, and many scientists agree that 10 degrees is more likely. With news coming out last month that the planet’s Carbon stores are failing (do you know what those are? Can you name them? Their capacity and impact? I doubt it), and last week’s news that AGW may be occurring 3 times faster than previously predicted, do you not think that’s something to worry about?
At the very least, food shortages will be dire and famine will be common place. At the same time, sea level rise is going to result in almost every major city in the world being underwater, along with 2/3 of the world’s population. Obviously they won’t all drown, but instead they’ll move inland. How easy do you think it will be to find homes for 7 billion displaced people (bearing in mind that the planet’s population will have reached 10 billion by this point at least)? Also, the world’s economic centres will be submerged. The economic upheaval will be staggering.
My point is, before you blindly state that AGW doesn’t exist, or perhaps more stunningly, that is isn’t a problem, do some reading. Research it. Don’t just blindly accept the line that someone told you once because it’s the easiest thing to accept.
The debate is no longer 'does Anthropogenic Global Warming exist?', it is now 'will the human race survive it?'.
BULLSHIT.
You hippies are just jumping to conclusions without fact.
All you’re doing is putting together a random ass theory and going insane over it.
There are way too many factors and such for you idiots to be able to say what is actually causing it and no, global warming takes a long time.
Don’t bullshit with temperatures idiots made up that happened years ago when they weren’t even there to take the temperatures. The hottest day ever could have been a thousand years ago for all you hippies know.
Not everyday is going to be cool you dimwits. Sometimes it’s going to be hot. Not every year is going to have the same average temperature. Deal with it like a man.
Before you claim we’re all going to die why don’t you morons go get some hard ass facts instead of putting together some random theories.
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The one and only OP Rep: 27Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | All those links and shit are SPECULATION not fact.
Talk about blindness and here you are blindly following everything the hippies say. ---
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is causing chaos. Rep: 30 Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 8,152 OFFLINE | Yeah! Own that hippie OP! Show im what yer made of! | | | 10 Jun 2007 05:29 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 24Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,618 OFFLINE | Online Predator wrote:
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Tha King wrote:
yes agreed the world is still warming up from the last ice age it is just a cycle there is nothing to worry about
Wrong.
I don’t understand how you guys can just sit here and say 'oh Global Warming is due to some cycle thing that I barely understand'. Since when did you lot know more than the thousands of scientists in the world who have verified Global Warming’s existence? More specifically, that it’s anthropogenic? How many of you even know what that means?. The cause and existence is no longer under discussion in the serious scientific world.
Seriously, get your heads out of your asses. To think you know better than the best minds in the world is a total fallacy, and displays an untold level of arrogance.
You claim that AGW is the result of the planet’s natural cycle. Do you even understand that? Do you understand how many there are? Don’t make wild accusations at the expense of the scientific community when you know nothing of the subject.
Secondly, you claim that it’s nothing to worry about. This shows your total lack of understanding of how the complex cycles and systems of this planet works. Even slight heating of the atmosphere is catastrophic. The last time the planet’s mean temperature rose by 6 degrees; 95% of life on earth was wiped out and the sea and air turned acidic.
And what’s the current prediction for temperature rise? 6 degrees by 2080. Bearing in mind that the last rise took several thousand years, as opposed to 100, that’s pretty catastrophic. And the even more devestating news? 6 degrees is a highly conservative estimate, and many scientists agree that 10 degrees is more likely. With news coming out last month that the planet’s Carbon stores are failing (do you know what those are? Can you name them? Their capacity and impact? I doubt it), and last week’s news that AGW may be occurring 3 times faster than previously predicted, do you not think that’s something to worry about?
At the very least, food shortages will be dire and famine will be common place. At the same time, sea level rise is going to result in almost every major city in the world being underwater, along with 2/3 of the world’s population. Obviously they won’t all drown, but instead they’ll move inland. How easy do you think it will be to find homes for 7 billion displaced people (bearing in mind that the planet’s population will have reached 10 billion by this point at least)? Also, the world’s economic centres will be submerged. The economic upheaval will be staggering.
My point is, before you blindly state that AGW doesn’t exist, or perhaps more stunningly, that is isn’t a problem, do some reading. Research it. Don’t just blindly accept the line that someone told you once because it’s the easiest thing to accept.
The debate is no longer 'does Anthropogenic Global Warming exist?', it is now 'will the human race survive it?'.
BULLSHIT.
You hippies are just jumping to conclusions without fact.
All you’re doing is putting together a random ass theory and going insane over it.
There are way too many factors and such for you idiots to be able to say what is actually causing it and no, global warming takes a long time.
Don’t bullshit with temperatures idiots made up that happened years ago when they weren’t even there to take the temperatures. The hottest day ever could have been a thousand years ago for all you hippies know.
Not everyday is going to be cool you dimwits. Sometimes it’s going to be hot. Not every year is going to have the same average temperature. Deal with it like a man.
Before you claim we’re all going to die why don’t you morons go get some hard ass facts instead of putting together some random theories.
Read the fucking links, you ignorant, arrogant fuck.
All the 'crackpot theories' are backed up by peer reviewed science, that is cold, hard fact. If you read through the first link, you’ll see the science, and every claim is supported by the science from the Mauna Lao CO2 monitering station in Hawaii, and the data from the Vostok Ice cores, taken in the Antarctic, and also many years of research, data from the Solar energy monitoring satellites (which interestingly, show a slight decrease in the sun’s output since 1940) and simple lab-scale experiments. How can you possibly claim it’s not backed up by science?
Oh, that’s right; because you’re a dumb, ignorant fuck, who doesn’t want to believe he has any responsibility for this planet.
Claiming that we werent there to measure temperatures over the last few thousand years and thus can’t predict anything is utter, utter bullshit, and shows just how ignorant you are. There are dozens of different ways to find the average temperature over the last 400,000 years, not least the Vostok Ice Cores, but also Tree Ring Dating, Fossilised Pollen Dating and by scanning rocks for trapped atmospheric chemical content. Just because you don’t understand it, doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
Nobody in the world with a serious scientific background doubts that we know the temperatures over the last 400,000 years or more. Just you, because you don’t understand it.
The only bit of that diatribe that you were even close to correct on was claiming that GW takes thousands of years. Yes, it does. With natural cycles, it takes 10-20 thousand years for the temperature to rise by 2-3 degrees. We’ve seen 0.8 degrees rise since 1980. Steep rise much? If you’d read the fucking graphs instead of dismissing everything I wrote, you’d plainly see that. The reason why the scientific community is all fucking panicing, is because the warming is so fucking fast. At the same time, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased at the same rate. Fucking fast. It’s quite easy to spot the link there.
The fact that you claim that 'there are just hot days, you have to deal with it', shows that you are completely clueless of the current situation. It’s an overall, extreme, warming trend. Nobody panics about one exceptionally hot day during summer. These things happen naturally. What is alarming is the fact that we’ve had so many in such a short time. And, I pose the point again, what the fuck makes you think you know better than the scientific community? I’m dying to know. Maybe you can enlighten the world with that vital piece of data or knowledge that the brightest minds on the planet have missed?
Or maybe as I suspect, you know nothing of the science involved, and prefer to rubbish the accepted science than to counter it. Perhaps that’s why you sunk to the low of insulting me, rather than supporting your own arguement with science. Because you cannot counter my science, and you’re not sufficiently intelligent enough to come up with a constructive, supported counter arguement. Yeah, that seems more likely.
You my friend are worse than those Creationist morons. Right infront of you, I laid out the Science and the proof of the theories. All you had to do is read.
But no. Instead, you blindly shout “hippy”. Fine. Whatever. Last time I checked, I wasn’t a tree-hugging, drug-taking flower-arranger.
Nor were the thousands of scientists who made this research.
So who is the one here with crackpot theories and speculation? I wrote the scientific consensus with supporting data.
All you’ve done is insult me. So how about you back up your claim with supporting data?
You arrogant, ignorant tool. If anyone here has been blindly accepting what others tell him, it’s you.
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SoB AdminLast edited 10 Jun 2007 10:37 am by DrumIntoTheNight | | | 12 Jun 2007 06:57 pm |
The one and only OP Rep: 27Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Tha King wrote:
yes agreed the world is still warming up from the last ice age it is just a cycle there is nothing to worry about
Wrong.
I don’t understand how you guys can just sit here and say 'oh Global Warming is due to some cycle thing that I barely understand'. Since when did you lot know more than the thousands of scientists in the world who have verified Global Warming’s existence? More specifically, that it’s anthropogenic? How many of you even know what that means?. The cause and existence is no longer under discussion in the serious scientific world.
Seriously, get your heads out of your asses. To think you know better than the best minds in the world is a total fallacy, and displays an untold level of arrogance.
You claim that AGW is the result of the planet’s natural cycle. Do you even understand that? Do you understand how many there are? Don’t make wild accusations at the expense of the scientific community when you know nothing of the subject.
Secondly, you claim that it’s nothing to worry about. This shows your total lack of understanding of how the complex cycles and systems of this planet works. Even slight heating of the atmosphere is catastrophic. The last time the planet’s mean temperature rose by 6 degrees; 95% of life on earth was wiped out and the sea and air turned acidic.
And what’s the current prediction for temperature rise? 6 degrees by 2080. Bearing in mind that the last rise took several thousand years, as opposed to 100, that’s pretty catastrophic. And the even more devestating news? 6 degrees is a highly conservative estimate, and many scientists agree that 10 degrees is more likely. With news coming out last month that the planet’s Carbon stores are failing (do you know what those are? Can you name them? Their capacity and impact? I doubt it), and last week’s news that AGW may be occurring 3 times faster than previously predicted, do you not think that’s something to worry about?
At the very least, food shortages will be dire and famine will be common place. At the same time, sea level rise is going to result in almost every major city in the world being underwater, along with 2/3 of the world’s population. Obviously they won’t all drown, but instead they’ll move inland. How easy do you think it will be to find homes for 7 billion displaced people (bearing in mind that the planet’s population will have reached 10 billion by this point at least)? Also, the world’s economic centres will be submerged. The economic upheaval will be staggering.
My point is, before you blindly state that AGW doesn’t exist, or perhaps more stunningly, that is isn’t a problem, do some reading. Research it. Don’t just blindly accept the line that someone told you once because it’s the easiest thing to accept.
The debate is no longer 'does Anthropogenic Global Warming exist?', it is now 'will the human race survive it?'.
BULLSHIT.
You hippies are just jumping to conclusions without fact.
All you’re doing is putting together a random ass theory and going insane over it.
There are way too many factors and such for you idiots to be able to say what is actually causing it and no, global warming takes a long time.
Don’t bullshit with temperatures idiots made up that happened years ago when they weren’t even there to take the temperatures. The hottest day ever could have been a thousand years ago for all you hippies know.
Not everyday is going to be cool you dimwits. Sometimes it’s going to be hot. Not every year is going to have the same average temperature. Deal with it like a man.
Before you claim we’re all going to die why don’t you morons go get some hard ass facts instead of putting together some random theories.
Read the fucking links, you ignorant, arrogant fuck.
All the 'crackpot theories' are backed up by peer reviewed science, that is cold, hard fact. If you read through the first link, you’ll see the science, and every claim is supported by the science from the Mauna Lao CO2 monitering station in Hawaii, and the data from the Vostok Ice cores, taken in the Antarctic, and also many years of research, data from the Solar energy monitoring satellites (which interestingly, show a slight decrease in the sun’s output since 1940) and simple lab-scale experiments. How can you possibly claim it’s not backed up by science?
Oh, that’s right; because you’re a dumb, ignorant fuck, who doesn’t want to believe he has any responsibility for this planet.
Claiming that we werent there to measure temperatures over the last few thousand years and thus can’t predict anything is utter, utter bullshit, and shows just how ignorant you are. There are dozens of different ways to find the average temperature over the last 400,000 years, not least the Vostok Ice Cores, but also Tree Ring Dating, Fossilised Pollen Dating and by scanning rocks for trapped atmospheric chemical content. Just because you don’t understand it, doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
Nobody in the world with a serious scientific background doubts that we know the temperatures over the last 400,000 years or more. Just you, because you don’t understand it.
The only bit of that diatribe that you were even close to correct on was claiming that GW takes thousands of years. Yes, it does. With natural cycles, it takes 10-20 thousand years for the temperature to rise by 2-3 degrees. We’ve seen 0.8 degrees rise since 1980. Steep rise much? If you’d read the fucking graphs instead of dismissing everything I wrote, you’d plainly see that. The reason why the scientific community is all fucking panicing, is because the warming is so fucking fast. At the same time, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased at the same rate. Fucking fast. It’s quite easy to spot the link there.
The fact that you claim that 'there are just hot days, you have to deal with it', shows that you are completely clueless of the current situation. It’s an overall, extreme, warming trend. Nobody panics about one exceptionally hot day during summer. These things happen naturally. What is alarming is the fact that we’ve had so many in such a short time. And, I pose the point again, what the fuck makes you think you know better than the scientific community? I’m dying to know. Maybe you can enlighten the world with that vital piece of data or knowledge that the brightest minds on the planet have missed?
Or maybe as I suspect, you know nothing of the science involved, and prefer to rubbish the accepted science than to counter it. Perhaps that’s why you sunk to the low of insulting me, rather than supporting your own arguement with science. Because you cannot counter my science, and you’re not sufficiently intelligent enough to come up with a constructive, supported counter arguement. Yeah, that seems more likely.
You my friend are worse than those Creationist morons. Right infront of you, I laid out the Science and the proof of the theories. All you had to do is read.
But no. Instead, you blindly shout “hippy”. Fine. Whatever. Last time I checked, I wasn’t a tree-hugging, drug-taking flower-arranger.
Nor were the thousands of scientists who made this research.
So who is the one here with crackpot theories and speculation? I wrote the scientific consensus with supporting data.
All you’ve done is insult me. So how about you back up your claim with supporting data?
You arrogant, ignorant tool. If anyone here has been blindly accepting what others tell him, it’s you.
Why don’t you read the link and notice that it is ALL SPECULATION you arrogant little fuck monkey.
And notice how I used SCIENCE to counter science such as us not being there to measure the temperature millions of years ago and the fact that an experiment is USELESS if it is not a CONTROLLED experiment, which none of these things or 'facts' you have stated were controlled, meaning it is all just speculation as to what the cause is and no, the world is not going to burn to death in the next century.
Learn to live with the weather little fuck monkey.
And just so you know you little fuck monkey, ONLY HALF the scientific community is going with that theory while the other half is AGAINST.
What makes you think the entire scientific community is stupid enough to assume your BS is true without any actual evidence and ONLY speculation?
OOOOOOHHHH! OWNED fuck monkey!!!
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*Mudafucken.Stunna* <3 Rep: 29 Joined: 27 Dec 2006 Posts: 9,706 OFFLINE | And the claims that global warming is a natural thing is also speculation. Personally I see global warming as something more serious than what everyone thinks. But, a good thing for those in Canada 
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The Pendragon Rep: 34 Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | I always thought it was natural...and that everything normally worked out properly...
O’Course, our influence hasn’t helped that natural process either, we likely aren’t completly the cause of global warming, but we’re probably shooting it off into dangerous levels in the future if not just throwing it out of whack.
That’s what I always gathered anyways.
One thing I certainly didn’t know is that it was this heavily debated from the sides of “It’s natural” and “it’s all our fault”. 
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The one and only OP Rep: 27Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
I always thought it was natural...and that everything normally worked out properly...
O’Course, our influence hasn’t helped that natural process either, we likely aren’t completly the cause of global warming, but we’re probably shooting it off into dangerous levels in the future if not just throwing it out of whack.
That’s what I always gathered anyways.
One thing I certainly didn’t know is that it was this heavily debated from the sides of “It’s natural” and “it’s all our fault”.
What I don’t get is how idiots suddenly claim that their speculation is fact when we really can’t narrow the cause down to anything at the moment.
Pollution could not be causing global warming but instead dangerous gases that cause asthma and such, which is not global warming.
At the moment it is really nothing but speculation until a controlled experiment can be done the atmosphere, which we can’t do.
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The Pendragon Rep: 34Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | Online Predator wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
I always thought it was natural...and that everything normally worked out properly...
O’Course, our influence hasn’t helped that natural process either, we likely aren’t completly the cause of global warming, but we’re probably shooting it off into dangerous levels in the future if not just throwing it out of whack.
That’s what I always gathered anyways.
One thing I certainly didn’t know is that it was this heavily debated from the sides of “It’s natural” and “it’s all our fault”.
What I don’t get is how idiots suddenly claim that their speculation is fact when we really can’t narrow the cause down to anything at the moment.
Pollution could not be causing global warming but instead dangerous gases that cause asthma and such, which is not global warming.
Well all I know is that was the recent idea on it.
Either way, what we’re dumping into the atmosphere isn’t helping anything. Call me simplistic but if we can stop those things we throw into it that supposedly cause/accelerate global warming it’d be better for everyone.
Doesn’t mean we all stop driving cars suddenly but still research less polluting ways of transportation and whatever else they’ve got going.
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The one and only OP Rep: 27Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
I always thought it was natural...and that everything normally worked out properly...
O’Course, our influence hasn’t helped that natural process either, we likely aren’t completly the cause of global warming, but we’re probably shooting it off into dangerous levels in the future if not just throwing it out of whack.
That’s what I always gathered anyways.
One thing I certainly didn’t know is that it was this heavily debated from the sides of “It’s natural” and “it’s all our fault”.
What I don’t get is how idiots suddenly claim that their speculation is fact when we really can’t narrow the cause down to anything at the moment.
Pollution could not be causing global warming but instead dangerous gases that cause asthma and such, which is not global warming.
Well all I know is that was the recent idea on it.
Either way, what we’re dumping into the atmosphere isn’t helping anything. Call me simplistic but if we can stop those things we throw into it that supposedly cause/accelerate global warming it’d be better for everyone.
Doesn’t mean we all stop driving cars suddenly but still research less polluting ways of transportation and whatever else they’ve got going.
Exactly. We know for a fact pollution is definitely bad.
I just don’t think we should be jumping to conclusions because there are many different theories just as valid on global warming.
We may be making worse or we may not but if we start jumping to conclusions we’ll end up doing stupid things.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 24Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,618 OFFLINE | Online Predator wrote:
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Tha King wrote:
yes agreed the world is still warming up from the last ice age it is just a cycle there is nothing to worry about
Wrong.
I don’t understand how you guys can just sit here and say 'oh Global Warming is due to some cycle thing that I barely understand'. Since when did you lot know more than the thousands of scientists in the world who have verified Global Warming’s existence? More specifically, that it’s anthropogenic? How many of you even know what that means?. The cause and existence is no longer under discussion in the serious scientific world.
Seriously, get your heads out of your asses. To think you know better than the best minds in the world is a total fallacy, and displays an untold level of arrogance.
You claim that AGW is the result of the planet’s natural cycle. Do you even understand that? Do you understand how many there are? Don’t make wild accusations at the expense of the scientific community when you know nothing of the subject.
Secondly, you claim that it’s nothing to worry about. This shows your total lack of understanding of how the complex cycles and systems of this planet works. Even slight heating of the atmosphere is catastrophic. The last time the planet’s mean temperature rose by 6 degrees; 95% of life on earth was wiped out and the sea and air turned acidic.
And what’s the current prediction for temperature rise? 6 degrees by 2080. Bearing in mind that the last rise took several thousand years, as opposed to 100, that’s pretty catastrophic. And the even more devestating news? 6 degrees is a highly conservative estimate, and many scientists agree that 10 degrees is more likely. With news coming out last month that the planet’s Carbon stores are failing (do you know what those are? Can you name them? Their capacity and impact? I doubt it), and last week’s news that AGW may be occurring 3 times faster than previously predicted, do you not think that’s something to worry about?
At the very least, food shortages will be dire and famine will be common place. At the same time, sea level rise is going to result in almost every major city in the world being underwater, along with 2/3 of the world’s population. Obviously they won’t all drown, but instead they’ll move inland. How easy do you think it will be to find homes for 7 billion displaced people (bearing in mind that the planet’s population will have reached 10 billion by this point at least)? Also, the world’s economic centres will be submerged. The economic upheaval will be staggering.
My point is, before you blindly state that AGW doesn’t exist, or perhaps more stunningly, that is isn’t a problem, do some reading. Research it. Don’t just blindly accept the line that someone told you once because it’s the easiest thing to accept.
The debate is no longer 'does Anthropogenic Global Warming exist?', it is now 'will the human race survive it?'.
BULLSHIT.
You hippies are just jumping to conclusions without fact.
All you’re doing is putting together a random ass theory and going insane over it.
There are way too many factors and such for you idiots to be able to say what is actually causing it and no, global warming takes a long time.
Don’t bullshit with temperatures idiots made up that happened years ago when they weren’t even there to take the temperatures. The hottest day ever could have been a thousand years ago for all you hippies know.
Not everyday is going to be cool you dimwits. Sometimes it’s going to be hot. Not every year is going to have the same average temperature. Deal with it like a man.
Before you claim we’re all going to die why don’t you morons go get some hard ass facts instead of putting together some random theories.
Read the fucking links, you ignorant, arrogant fuck.
All the 'crackpot theories' are backed up by peer reviewed science, that is cold, hard fact. If you read through the first link, you’ll see the science, and every claim is supported by the science from the Mauna Lao CO2 monitering station in Hawaii, and the data from the Vostok Ice cores, taken in the Antarctic, and also many years of research, data from the Solar energy monitoring satellites (which interestingly, show a slight decrease in the sun’s output since 1940) and simple lab-scale experiments. How can you possibly claim it’s not backed up by science?
Oh, that’s right; because you’re a dumb, ignorant fuck, who doesn’t want to believe he has any responsibility for this planet.
Claiming that we werent there to measure temperatures over the last few thousand years and thus can’t predict anything is utter, utter bullshit, and shows just how ignorant you are. There are dozens of different ways to find the average temperature over the last 400,000 years, not least the Vostok Ice Cores, but also Tree Ring Dating, Fossilised Pollen Dating and by scanning rocks for trapped atmospheric chemical content. Just because you don’t understand it, doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
Nobody in the world with a serious scientific background doubts that we know the temperatures over the last 400,000 years or more. Just you, because you don’t understand it.
The only bit of that diatribe that you were even close to correct on was claiming that GW takes thousands of years. Yes, it does. With natural cycles, it takes 10-20 thousand years for the temperature to rise by 2-3 degrees. We’ve seen 0.8 degrees rise since 1980. Steep rise much? If you’d read the fucking graphs instead of dismissing everything I wrote, you’d plainly see that. The reason why the scientific community is all fucking panicing, is because the warming is so fucking fast. At the same time, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased at the same rate. Fucking fast. It’s quite easy to spot the link there.
The fact that you claim that 'there are just hot days, you have to deal with it', shows that you are completely clueless of the current situation. It’s an overall, extreme, warming trend. Nobody panics about one exceptionally hot day during summer. These things happen naturally. What is alarming is the fact that we’ve had so many in such a short time. And, I pose the point again, what the fuck makes you think you know better than the scientific community? I’m dying to know. Maybe you can enlighten the world with that vital piece of data or knowledge that the brightest minds on the planet have missed?
Or maybe as I suspect, you know nothing of the science involved, and prefer to rubbish the accepted science than to counter it. Perhaps that’s why you sunk to the low of insulting me, rather than supporting your own arguement with science. Because you cannot counter my science, and you’re not sufficiently intelligent enough to come up with a constructive, supported counter arguement. Yeah, that seems more likely.
You my friend are worse than those Creationist morons. Right infront of you, I laid out the Science and the proof of the theories. All you had to do is read.
But no. Instead, you blindly shout “hippy”. Fine. Whatever. Last time I checked, I wasn’t a tree-hugging, drug-taking flower-arranger.
Nor were the thousands of scientists who made this research.
So who is the one here with crackpot theories and speculation? I wrote the scientific consensus with supporting data.
All you’ve done is insult me. So how about you back up your claim with supporting data?
You arrogant, ignorant tool. If anyone here has been blindly accepting what others tell him, it’s you.
Why don’t you read the link and notice that it is ALL SPECULATION you arrogant little fuck monkey.
And notice how I used SCIENCE to counter science such as us not being there to measure the temperature millions of years ago and the fact that an experiment is USELESS if it is not a CONTROLLED experiment, which none of these things or 'facts' you have stated were controlled, meaning it is all just speculation as to what the cause is and no, the world is not going to burn to death in the next century.
Learn to live with the weather little fuck monkey.
And just so you know you little fuck monkey, ONLY HALF the scientific community is going with that theory while the other half is AGAINST.
What makes you think the entire scientific community is stupid enough to assume your BS is true without any actual evidence and ONLY speculation?
OOOOOOHHHH! OWNED fuck monkey!!!
For the last freaking time.
If you read my first link, you’d see the science backs everything that has been said up. So your point is null.
Shut up and read, mmkay?
Once you’ve read all the data, you’ll understand how all these 'valid reasons' that could cause GW simply aren’t, for a variety of reasons. Until then, someone as misinformed as yourself can’t make any kind of comment on such a complicated global system.
Evidence that the scientific community is split exactly half and half please? There isn’t any, don’t be so ridiculous. The vast majority of scientists understand that AGW exists, as do the vast majority of intelligent human beings.
The 'science' you used to counter my claims is entirely speculation on your part, due to the fact that you simply don’t understand the methods used. That’s not my problem.
I call again for a reasoned, developed counter arguement with links to your sources and relevant research. Or is that too much to ask from someone as backward as yourself?
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SoB AdminLast edited 13 Jun 2007 05:04 am by DrumIntoTheNight | | | 13 Jun 2007 05:08 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 24Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,618 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
I always thought it was natural...and that everything normally worked out properly...
O’Course, our influence hasn’t helped that natural process either, we likely aren’t completly the cause of global warming, but we’re probably shooting it off into dangerous levels in the future if not just throwing it out of whack.
That’s what I always gathered anyways.
One thing I certainly didn’t know is that it was this heavily debated from the sides of “It’s natural” and “it’s all our fault”.
This is an intelligent, reasoned level of thinking OP. Read and learn.
TR, you’re totally right about our climate being stable, but then having the ability to shoot off into the unknown when forced. It’s because our climate is a metastable system; meaning it generally returns to a 'normal' state, but forcing (in this case, radiative forcing in the form of greenhouse gases) can cause the climate to suddenly 'flip' states, from which there is no return.
But then, I’m sure our intelligent friend OP already knew that and could explain it fully.
Oh, wait...
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SoB AdminLast edited 13 Jun 2007 05:10 am by DrumIntoTheNight | | | 13 Jun 2007 12:02 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,344 OFFLINE | On presenting information and persuasive writting.
Start by briefly stating your argument, then take multiple sources from different locations, remember to cross reference each source and provide information supporting each side of your argument to balance it. Use your own knowledge or opinions where applicable, finish with a summary and conclusion.
And don’t say 'fuck monkey'...
Actually, don’t direct an insult towards anyone your trying to persuade, because this immediately lowers the value of your opinion and leaves you open to (Very justified) criticism and verbal counter attacks. ---
Last edited 13 Jun 2007 12:03 pm by Gunslang | | | 13 Jun 2007 01:27 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10 Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 4,424 OFFLINE | P. Moore wrote:
i seriously don’t believe in global warming
Me either, I think its a bunch of bullshit
Yippie Kai Aye, Motherf*cker!! [size=1]post[/post]: Yea: posting just for the sake of posting is wrong, Now posting to get your post count up is a totally different story. | | | 13 Jun 2007 01:51 pm |
jayoons Guest | Global warming is fuck all to do with us, it is just something that happens naturally over time, if u look at the history of certain countries and how there climates have changed (this is like over millions of years) you would understand it isn’t us, it’s infact governments being arseholes as usual. | | | 13 Jun 2007 01:53 pm |
jayoons Guest | their* rather | | |
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