anti-moviecodec. wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
anti-moviecodec. wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
Christianity would defiantly be in the top 10 as the most evil, perhaps even the top 5.
well you must not fully understand it asshole.
LOL
 you’re cute when your angry
AS I said before, Christianity has been used as a excuse to commit atrocities against human kind for a great many years. Al in the name of GOD and the Church.
Salem witch trials, Holy wars, the crusades, and not to mention that Christianity dooms all its followers unless the follow its teachings.
Thats like Do as I say Or you will burn for all eternity.
Where did I hear about another example of something that was like that.....OH YEAH...
SADDAM HUSSAIN!
Ummm. well im a roman catholic... Ive been for 17 years.....i never have pushed my faith on someone else....are priests say NOT to go up and say that someone is going to hell because of different religion views...so i dont know who the fuck your talking to....... and about the saddam hussain thing.... youre fuckin stupid. How can you compare saddam hussain to christians???? ITS AGAINST ARE FAITH TO MURDER DUMBSHIT! If you open your eyes you would see that christians are only trying to help this world out a bit. If it wasnt for my faith i would be a drug addict right now. I wouldnt do anything my parents/ authorities tell me to. Ive already HAD problems with alchohol/ drugs..then i opened my eyes and the only thing keepin me from goin back is my faith.
Im gonna respond by quoting a discussion I had with Professor_gad a while back. Saves me repeating myself, cause I hate doing that.
firewolf81 wrote:
Proffessor_gad wrote:
I know from hence you came, and why you say what you say.
Firewolf, my fight isn’t against the powers of the flesh. It is against the powers of the evil principalities and spirits of this world.
My belief in Christ is only based on faith, and it is confirmed in physical reality. I do not force anyone, trick anyone, or scare anyone into coming to Christ.
But here this clear: The blood of Christ, that was spilled is powerful enough to bring the dead back to life. And words that came from Jesus' mouth cleaned a person filled with a legion (unumerable amount) of demons.
Those who are on our side are more powerful than those that are on yours.
*For evil destroyes everything, even itself. How can it suceed?*
You ever heard of a game called Chinese Whispers Professor_gad?
Religion and the deities like Jesus are just like that game.
The legend of Jesus came about in a time when Barbarianism was rife and people died for seemingly no reason. People got slaughtered indiscriminately and the understanding of science and the true nature of things was very limited.The people grasped at whatever explanation the brains could fathom, be it gods will or otherwise.
Along comes this man Jesus, who has a vision..a ideal if you will for a better world, a better way of living. He sticks up for his belief in that things should be different and his philosophy is almost the polar opposite of what the time and age they were living in was used to. He attracted followers who also disagreed with the way their life was headed.
Word spread about this man who wanted to insight change and others liked the idea and joined him. Much like a modern day political party attracts followers with their parliamentary promises.
This attracted the attention of the real people in power at the time and he was punished and made an example of, much like has happened for generations before. It was a case of do as we say and tow the line or face the consequences. He still believed in his way of life that he stood his ground and died.
This made him a hero to the people and his story and sacrifice was told throughout the land. Like many repeated stories, they get bigger, more elaborate and more diluted as time goes on and soon the legend of Jesus was born in all its over exaggerated glory complete with miracles.
Now someone at the time decided, like all mythological legends and fables, that this would be one worth writing down and the bible was born. however the political leaders decided that they could use this new admiration to control the masses and used the bible to convince people to live a certain way of life that suited them and there needs.
Now this has been happening ever since. As many people know, religion is a powerful thing and the Christian churches are one of the richest organizations in the world and there have also been a great many instances where so called holy intervention has been used by the Christian churches to slaughter a great many people all in the name of the faith and cleansing the so called demons.
Christianity is a faith founded on political motives and power to the few that hold sted over the Christian faith eg the Popes and Cardinals.
Why do you think there are so many versions of the bible and so many different variations of Christianity. Christianity is the only religion that has so many variations of its so called holy text and each one is revered like it is the one true holy book.
Thats something for you to think about eh MVC.
firewolf81 wrote:
Proffessor_gad wrote:
Wolf, you may believe what you believe. But I believe in what I believe. I believe that the most original versions of the Bible are the most divine ones. I know that Satan is hindering us in our paths, from reaching our goals through unaware people like yourself.
You know its funny that yous say that. I actually know what lies beyond after death and I don’t need any book to tell me otherwise. Now don’t get me wrong here, but I Do respect your beliefs and what they stand for and that is primarily hope and salvation through faith and goodness. You believe what you read and I will believe what is true through experiance. In the end, neither will change the final outcome of what awaits us on the otherside 
firewolf81 wrote:
Proffessor_gad wrote:
Well the noise I heard is similar to to a screaming, and it happened in the middle of one night. The screaming however was not a human scream, it was demonic-like.
I have heard similar reports (mainly from un-baptistic christians) of hearing noises. These are mimicks from Satan used to scare the people of God.
However there is nothing to fear, for God sends his guardian angels as protection to those who love him, and trust in him.
Those who are on the evil side are constantly harassed with Satan’s mimicks plus: emptiness, loneliness, fright, un-temperance, and feeling of commiting suicide (commonly with the murder of others at the same time), and unmoral addictions.
According to this we can clearly tell which religions and people are on the side of good, and which ones are on the side of evil.
Eg- Muslims believe in suicide with accompaning terrorist murder of others. Our loving God doesn’t want people to die, but he is giving them all a chance to be saved from their sinful nature. Therefore ALLAH=SATAN and JEHOVAH=GOD;
Any religious leaders that use their “religion” as a free ticket to destruction and murder are also from satan.
Wow you really are a hardliner Christian.
How is it Mr Gad that you know what a demon sounds like. Noises can be attributed to all sorts of things and it was like a human but demon like???
What exactly is that supposed to mean. It could have been anything, cats, feral possums, raccoons hell anything can be percieved as something in the right mindset.
The thing I find amusing is how you are quick to shoot down other religions as being evil, yet you really seem to have no knowledge of what you are talking about.
OOOH thats strange...must be he devils work...
BAH, You wouldn’t know a devil/demon/satan’s spawn if it bit you on the ass.
I guess your Christianity promotes blind faith and a fear of whats different.
Funny thing is, when you die, yep, its inevitable, you will find out the truth for your self. By all means, follow your faith, you seem to be a real good Christian. Demeaning all other faiths like a true messiah. Good for you and have fun with your faith and good luck converting others to your cause.
Myself being the embodiment of evil and purveyor of the dark will continue to live my life with absolutely no fear or wrath from your God and unlike you, I will not be trying to convince people of any religions merits, especially not my own.
firewolf81 wrote:
Proffessor_gad wrote:
I am pretty extreme in my religion, however I am not inferior to ALL other religions.
No one ever said you were, what I did say and you have just confirmed it, is the fact that you think all religions are inferior to your own.
You perceive as Christianity as the way to go. All other followings are null and void and are the work of the devil...so on and so forth.
You rely on the good faith that if you live a moral Christian life, you will be blessed in heaven, am I right?
Many of the Christian ideals promote closed mindedness.
I ask you this..
What is your opinion on the 7 deadly sins?
What is your opinion on Homosexuality?
On abortions?
and where is the miracles that are supposed to happen to good Christian followers in their time of need?
I am not trying to 'set you off track'
Surely your religion isn’t that closed that you can not discuss that points of views of other religions or ideas.
All I am saying is that Knowing what I do about what happens when you die, I can live a life that is not built on the hope for salvation.
Oh and how you try and say that I am the on in the dark is really quite amusing. I am much more open about your religion and the religions of others. If you only knew my beliefs you would see that I know your so called God exists. I acknowledge his existence and hell, he has even helped me before in my life, but knowing the true nature of things gives me a new perspective on life.
According to your beliefs, I should be burning in hell.. yep, I have died once and it was Suicide too, yet here I sit typing words onto the computer screen. Now shouldn’t I be Burning in agony? and isn’t hell eternal...hmmm
Now you may scoff at my claims and to me it is of no consequence or say that I am lying about my suicide, but why would I lie to you. Its against my morals.
Yep, us supposed 'unaware ' devil worshipers do have Moral codes and ideals of what is right and wrong. Mine has protected innocent and not so innocent people from my wrath for a great many years.
I even invite your fellow Christians, the representors of local churches, into my home for a chat about their religion over a cup of tea and some biscuits.
I am not trying to debunk our faith. If your faith keeps you strong in the face of adversity, than it serves its purpose.
But I must say, I find your preaching and ignorance quite appalling. People are not to be converted, they should be educated and be allowed to make their own decisions based on their own ideals.
Trying to convince someone to defect or join a religious sect by attacking the integrity of other faiths is both amoral and deceitful.
firewolf81 wrote:
Ahhh Professor_gad, you do bring a smile to my face
I really do enjoy our chats on here.
Anyhow, in response to your previous post..
Proffessor_gad wrote:
1) All sins are alike in the eyes of our Lord. A small sin is as great as the large one. Every person must come closer to the perfection that is inpossible to acheive.
Ok if this is true, how come ENVY, one of the deadly Sins can lead to this so called perfection. Without envy, people would be complacent in their situation, no matter how dire it might be. Envy is often the driving force for someone to better themselves and their situation.
What about Wrath. God himself is guilty of this sin, so how can he exist in heaven if he has himself committed a sin. One can not forgive themselves, only god can.
What about greed. The Christian faith is always trying to convince people to enter the folds of their faith. Don’t you think that is a bit greedy. Also Pride, you are as guilt as any other Strong willed Christian. You are proud of your faith and you are certain that is will save you. You have exhibited Pride by commenting on the superiority of your religion to that of others.
Proffessor_gad wrote:
2) My opinion of Homosexuality is the same as of other sexual misconceptions. God made one man, and one woman for that one man. God didn’t make Adam and Larry in the Garden of Eden, nor did he make “Eve and Sally”. Well, you see my point?
So how is it if GOD created us in his own image, that Homosexuality even exists? Why is there homosexual priests r even Pedophile priests for that matter. These representatives of your lord and savior committing atrocities against children and other males in a house of GOD. How is it that your almighty being allows this to take place in his dominion. It cant be the devils work as these acts take place on sacred hallowed grounds, inside churches ect. Places where the devil is supposed to have no dominion. How can your lord save you if he can’t even save his own children in his own house?
Proffessor_gad wrote:
3) Miracles are scarce today, because they are not as necessary as they were before.
Do you really think this to be true. Now more than ever, the Christian faith is faltering all around the world. Natural disasters, acts of terrorism, high school shootings, wars ect.. the list goes on. We live in a time and age of fear. A time where the people need hope. You say that there is no need for miracles. Could it be that back when Miracles happened quite frequently, they could simply be explained as events or happenings that the people had no grasp or understanding of? We have a greater understanding of science, of the way the world works ect. Isn’t strange how the occurance of miracles has steadily decreased as our understanding of the world we live in has increased.
Back in the days of Jesus, when someone who was sick with pox or legions got healthy, it was a miracle. Now days, it is just a matter of course, due to the marvels of medical science.
Proffessor_gad wrote:
If I were the hypocrite you think I am, I would have yelled my head off at all of you, stopped tolerating your questions, and said “Golly Gosh Geeze! — Go the the devil”
And where did I ever say you were a hypocrite?
Proffessor_gad wrote:
The reason I oppose you, and your sincere words, is because you seek to make me more tolerant towards the religions and ideas in which I do not believe. Another reason I oppose you is because your beliefs and perceptions don’t really align with what is taught in the Bible, they rely on personal experience — And all of my beliefs are according to the Bible.
Ahh so its the old blind faith over reason thing.
I am fine with that. I don’t wish to change your faith. what you believe in is really of no consequence to me. Your faith will not change what I know nor think.
Proffessor_gad wrote:
4) On first impression especially via your avatar/signiture, and your personality I find it really hard to believe that you are on the “good side”. But all will be clear as we continue in our debate.
Hah. Thats kinda funny. You know, by your definition outlined by your faith, I am what you could call a demon. Well at least in part anyhow. I consider myself a dual being.I have a dark side and moral side. Definitions of good and evil would label me as a evil person. I know this and I keep myself in check. I have a loving family and I behave myself. Keep in mind that this is by your Christian definition. My own experiences and faith don’t draw the same comparisons as your faith does and quite frankly, you would have a rather difficult time understanding all the aspects that make up me.
If you saw what I could do you would most likely label it as the devils work. I am guessing that is how the Christian faithful label certain Psychic and spiritual abilities, is it not?
Proffessor_gad wrote:
No I don’t want you to go to Hell, but I know that you deserve to go to Hell just like I do.
Again, you purport to know what waits for me and what I deserve based on what, your initial impressions of me. It really is funny how you think that what your read is far and away better than actual experiance. In any circumstance, I am already in hell. I am caged and constrained to perform in society and watch the earth slowly wither and die under the destructive hand of man, whom according to your faith was created in his own image. Wouldn’t that make your lord a destructive being rather than the creator of life that he is supposed to be.
In any case, before my time is up, mankind will see what truly awaits them and I will have my chance to be free.
I believe your faith refers to it as Armageddon/ the Apocalypse.
So there you have it. Happy Reading all.
Oh and Anti Moviecodec.....Damn you just keep on looking better and better the angrier you get
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